From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 24 17:05:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7600816A72C; Wed, 24 May 2006 17:05:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from www.ebusiness-leidinger.de (jojo.ms-net.de [84.16.236.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FA643D64; Wed, 24 May 2006 17:05:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (p54A5FC25.dip.t-dialin.net [84.165.252.37]) (authenticated bits=0) by www.ebusiness-leidinger.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4OGrE7t029987; Wed, 24 May 2006 18:53:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4OH5Hgi041582; Wed, 24 May 2006 19:05:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net [192.168.1.42]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 24 May 2006 19:05:17 +0200 Message-ID: <20060524190517.shb6l4afz0gkk48c@netchild.homeip.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 19:05:17 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Scott Long References: <20060520141209.A2285@free.home.local> <86fyj1kju5.fsf@xps.des.no> <20060523171238.6392afdb@Magellan.Leidinger.net> <867j4clqaj.fsf@xps.des.no> <4473336F.1030900@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: <4473336F.1030900@samsco.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1) / FreeBSD-4.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, Dag-Erling =?utf-8?b?U23DuHJncmF2?= , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Call for testing: emu10kx driver for Creative sound cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:05:33 -0000 Quoting Scott Long (from Tue, 23 May 2006 10:08:15 -0600= ): > The problem is that Alexander wants these sysctls to only be temporary. > Recall that big thread from a month or two ago about treating sysctls > as an API, and how there was heavy disagreement over how to define > "stable" sysctls that apps could depend on? If a temporary set of > sysctls get put under the dev tree, then it risks becoming permanent, > which is not what Alexander wants. So, either we need to decide what > parts of the sysctl to define as stable, like I asked for in the > previous thread, or we need to pretend that it's not a problem that we > should address, and let you and Alexander continue to argue over the > 'correct place'. When we have a document/place which specifies a stable sysctl API, I =20 can life with putting the temporary ones into the place which =20 Dag-Erling suggested. Bye, Alexander. --=20 Selling GoodYear Eagle F1 235/40ZR18, 2x 4mm + 2x 5mm, ~150 EUR you have to pick it up between Germany/Saarland and Luxembourg/Capellen http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID =3D B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID =3D 72077137