From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 7 19:48:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EA916A417 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:48:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBEA13C491 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i10so2732662mue for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:48:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v9odc1z6ye/do6RvHbGOXZK33B4acKdxYmmawKUGXR0=; b=aZVgRiqrLBWuVZramDiI3WcB9Rf8mnjBG4/otG0H4fdGldGDc3BzpiFN6qcyxhGUxd2wTxKwd9zrqFnsE7YaP8ljNhTqhO6fzyyQzYnbgL2ouNte6Cf7WTqKbm+7RZkLS4qM8uYeoh2TjAvxXtrTu/t8+Yj8Y1u3kjla2jzXG7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eUPkK6qDSu19WFJcdBojin65Qot4yKiX237w/0ClFSCAkdYxOpwJqJsAlHkKiBMpIFULddhwS60JOFv99up/NUE29P77qKbPSfjBppiUWcdUWDG13Ao+GbYmQGshHo7ZZAV9bL+zj1vjS85kUMeBFwvoPPwCafoLRkDz1flzBzI= Received: by 10.82.183.19 with SMTP id g19mr15860496buf.1194463444889; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from fairy.alashan.de ( [79.196.28.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y18sm16851723fkd.2007.11.07.11.24.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:24:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47321EE6.6050706@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:24:06 +0000 From: Christian Walther User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Norberto Meijome References: <20071108011935.62bd23ce@meijome.net> In-Reply-To: <20071108011935.62bd23ce@meijome.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Stable ML Subject: Re: Filesystems in 7.0 & reliability X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:48:22 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Noberto, Norberto Meijome wrote: > Hi everyone, > I've been using 7 for a couple of weeks now on my work laptop (kickstarted by cooling issues while in 6.2, which seem to have largely gone in 7). > > I have a 100GB SATA drive in a Thinkpad Z60m with > > CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz (1995.02-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x6d8 Stepping = 8 > Features=0xafe9fbff > Features2=0x180 > real memory = 1609433088 (1534 MB) > avail memory = 1567780864 (1495 MB) > > I installed 7 on a normal UFS disk, but then migrated to having /usr in a UFS journaled partition , with a 1.5 GB journal on ad0s1h . I didn't have any issue that I could directly relate to it. I had more hangs than now (i reverted back to plain UFS due to too many lock ups). The lock ups didnt leave any message or error anywhere - it seemed as if the disk subsystem stopped accepting commands (or was waiting on something ...) - anything in memory would work just fine, but as soon as disk access was needed, it 'd stall. > Did you check your harddrive? There are tools available in ports (sorry, I forgotten how they are called) that can access the drives internal fault statistics. Maybe your drive has an error and locks up all of a sudden. Since a journal leads to more disk activity it would be normal for a hardware related error to happen more early. I might be pretty wrong here, but the T60 has an internal movement sensor that needs some software to turn of the hard drive. Maybe your laptop has a sensor too, but the logic behind it is implemented in hardware? > Something else i also noticed is that, after every crash, I couldn't just reboot and use my computer just fine, as I would have expected - maybe I'm wrong here. > I had to go into single user mode, and run a fsck /dev/ad0s1f.journal . this takes about 4 minutes. Hardly any errors were ever found (as opposed to my non-journal partitions, which had files de-referenced ,etc.) So I suppose, in that regards, gjournal worked great.... but is the fsck needed?? > > I am also very interested in what zfs has to offer. How reliable is it? I am looking into using it both on my laptop, and as a filesystem for some large storage , possibly. You might want to search the list archives (especially freebsd-current) to get some details on ZFS and possible problems regarding it. There seems to be an issue with ZFS and Samba and/or NFS. A nice summary is in the archives: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2007-August/076411.html I don't know what the current status is, thou. And I never suffered from this error. In fact I'm using a raidz with 4x400GB HDDs. One use is as a storage for satellite video streams, so there are pretty big files written to it using NFS. One thing I really like about ZFS is that it gets rid of the old partition/slice paradigm. You'll never be angry with yourself again because you selected the wrong size for your partition/slices. > > thanks for any ideas, comments, pointers :) > > B HTH Christian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHMh7mND6QF/amlKsRArRMAJ99Siy5hoACgV+DMUF68dtwpkfPDACeLRPq Lsn2Uk+OBEhh7wgvwJE+FmA= =ZaeE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----