From owner-freebsd-current Sat Apr 3 17:10:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20BA14D1E for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:10:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA37453; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:06:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:06:19 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Steve Price Cc: Matthew Jacob , "David O'Brien" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Switching to EGCS on Saturday (PST) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, Steve Price wrote: > On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > # > Something that someone playing with bleeding edge bits should > # > be willing to do, IMHO. > # > # That's ridiculous. There's substantial work ongoing in 4.0 with enough > # people involved that changing things around for the hell of it and not > # sticking to broadcast times is just plain stupid. It's called 'dufus > # engineering', or 'freshman humour' or some such. Just because it's > # so-called 'bleeding edge' doesn't mean you can just integrate any old crap > # and just say "well- it's bleeding edge". Harumph. > > We are not changing it for the hell of it. From what I gather > David already has things ready and is just waiting for Sunday > to come to commit the changes. Committing them now gives much > of the people who will work to fix things that get broken a > whole day more this weekend to work on them. This isn't 'dufus > engineering' it is called advancing the state-of-the-art. It > has been a long time coming and needs to be done, sooner than > later. > > Just because the compiler changes doesn't mean development on > the 4.0 branch have to stop. We need to get this change in the > hands of as many people as we can so that we can work out any > remaining hitches. Waiting another 24 hours == wasting another > 24 hours, IMHO. I don't like to disagree with you, Matthew, but the cvsup line to get what you need is pretty simple. This thing needs to get tested, asap, and the weekend is a better time for it. Your argument is basically "do what you said" ... the rest, likening it to freshman antics, is emotionalism. We have a good reason to push ahead here, and an easy recovery path. Some folks might get surprised, but that seems like a small thing, actually, because nearly all of them are reading this. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message