From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 17:51:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E22C1065673 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFB88FC1E for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl9 with SMTP id l9so10405770yen.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.153.226 with SMTP id f62mr68821831yhk.62.1325613058966; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m14sm60409640anh.11.2012.01.03.09.50.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3THjVm3kGmz2CG5x for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:50:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:50:56 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120103125056.62b171e7@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:51:01 -0000 On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:10:39 -0500 (EST) Daniel Feenberg articulated: > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: > > > On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: > >> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 > >> Da Rock articulated: > >> > >>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > > > Jerry, there are so many things that are so wrong and so un-pc in > > this statement that it is more than ridiculous. But we will ignore > > the political/religious sentiments and try to stick to the > > technical. > > > > Winblows, Mac, Linux, BSD, others APIs are like cheese and chalk > > (although Mac is a closer relative than any other). By your logic > > we should be getting Winblows drivers to work on BSD. > > > > Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the > OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html > > or the man page for ndiscvt: > > http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt > > > While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of > an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose > manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond > licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the > distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? This is a start in the right direction, but by no means an end to it. While it does work for some devices, I have tried using it on several wireless "N" devices for example with total failure. It also doesn't work at all for printer/scanner/fax/etcetera drivers. A unified API would eliminate all of this bullshit and make the setting up of and the maintenance of a system imminently easier. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________