From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 14 21:05:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09801 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:05:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aaka.3skel.com (aaka.3skel.com [207.240.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA09693 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:05:08 GMT (envelope-from danj@3skel.com) Received: from fnur.3skel.com (fnur.3skel.com [192.168.0.8]) by aaka.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id AAA05338; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 3skel.com (localhost.3skel.com [127.0.0.1]) by fnur.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id AAA28289; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <353431E4.125164C8@3skel.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:04:53 -0400 From: Dan Janowski Organization: Triskelion Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Das Devaraj CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What else goes with it (was Re: New name?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Das Devaraj wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Dan Janowski wrote: > > > > - Specify whom this system is for > > > (currently FreeBSD seems geared for server applications) > > > > This is not really true. It seems that way because there is ashortage of > > desktop type applications. > > When I installed Apache on FreeBSD 2.2.5 *think* it brought up > six copies. Surely, a set-up for a server? :-) Granted these > things are easy enough to correct (fix?), if one reads the 6 httpd's are nothing. this is not NT. There is a lot that I am no longersensitive to about the install process, but I have found that the defaults are pretty sane. > ... > > We are not going to hit the MS desktop. The completeness and > > ease of use for most is there. > > My plan was not to go against the MS desktop. Also I am > not implying that the completeness and ease are lacking. Only > that it is well hidden, unless you have a certain amount of The issue here is that we have an OS that is an old growth forest: filled with every kind of tree but very few maps. If you find a tree, iyou can learn a lot about it and from it. The essential question is still unresolved, other than server and real Unix users, what is FreeBSD best for? I understand that people want to use it and that more people would if they could get over the techincal hump at the beginning. but why? This is not a why in the sense of why bother, but what is the motivation and benefit? I know why I use it. My business depends on FreeBSD in a very mission critical way. I can't buy a commecial system as stable, good performing or as incredibly flexible. But I am a Unix nut. I use XFig, troff, emacs, vi, sc, ghostscript, and I write enough code to make it work really well. Why does someone else want to use it? Do we tell people it is awsomely powerful for connecting to the Internet? Anyway, I am not pessimistic about what people can do with FreeBSD. It is a real question. Marketing has to be focused on a market, and I really don't know what the hell non-programmers or non-Unix heads do with this. I am really curious. Dan -- danj@3skel.com Dan Janowski Triskelion Systems, Inc. Bronx, NY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message