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[50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 14sm25072179itm.3.2019.01.26.15.08.59 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 26 Jan 2019 15:09:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5C4CE8B8.4030608@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 16:09:44 -0700 From: JD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless interface References: <20190126213957.adfeb61c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20190126213957.adfeb61c.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2B2B87173C X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=p0nhFcF2; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jd1008@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jd1008@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.57 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.985,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.57)[ip: (-8.35), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.49), asn: 15169(-1.93), country: US(-0.08)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 23:09:03 -0000 On 01/26/2019 01:39 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 18:50:53 +0000, Carmel NY wrote: >> Plus, you then have to install a GUI. Now, if you >> want to compare a FreeBSD system sans GUI, you have to compare it >> against a MS Server, not the regular Windows version design for home or >> office users. > Your comparison of "Windows 10" vs. FreeBSD is also unfair. > You'd better compare it to a FreeBSD-based preinstalled and > preconfigured system, such as TrueOS (ex PC-BSD), where you > get a GUI and a set of common applications in the normal > install. Plus you do _not_ get spyware preinstalled. ;-) > > You also are not urged to register an account with a US-based > company, which is a win in itself. Always remember that there > are many people who are willing to provide confidential > information for no good reason to any computer program or web > page that asks for it. > > "The computer should know what it's doing. If it says, 'enter > your PIN here', I enter my PIN here. I have nothing to hide. > And I want to see the dancing elephants for free." ;-) > > > >> This is not about "hand-holding"; it is about bring the OS into the >> modern age. My machine is supposed to be my slave, not the other way >> around. > This is very interesting: You consider a "Windows"-based > computer still a PC, a _personal_, YOUR _personal_ computer? > Especially with the consumer-enabled background updating > processes (good _and_ bad at the same time), system changes > are very often a surprise for users, and in most cases, it's > the kind of "it doesn't work anymore" kind of surprise... > > "Windows" might be okay for certain cases, as long as it works. > But as soon as something does not work, or stops working, you > have nearly no on-board diagnostic means. You can hope that > the next update will make the printer work again, or that if > you delete and re-install the scanner driver, the scanner will > work again. But you don't know for sure. Hope is what you need. > FreeBSD, on the other hand, allows you to find out by yourself > what might be wrong. Its ability to break down obscure and > closed processes like "connect to a WLAN", which is in fact > a quite complex process, makes it far easier to debug things. > > Just a few independent thoughts. :-) > > IMHO, today, there are no OS'es available to the public, sans backdoors, spyware and other malware. Just my $.02's worth.