From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 2 01:02:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DA4132DED8 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 01:02:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from smtprelay03.ispgateway.de (smtprelay03.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 063D57B9C3 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 01:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from [134.119.228.1] (helo=webmail.df.eu) by smtprelay03.ispgateway.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gTG9G-0007uN-UY; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 02:02:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 02:02:14 +0100 From: Markus Hoenicka To: freebsd01@dgmm.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ROX-Filer: overwriting a file on an USB drive truncates it In-Reply-To: <5081512.8gLySxXtyI@amd.asgard.uk> References: <4ee20fc51b13465edcec6d8456be7cf0@mhoenicka.de> <5081512.8gLySxXtyI@amd.asgard.uk> Message-ID: <66bd7ea687255a2b5b95637579dcf032@mhoenicka.de> X-Sender: markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail X-Df-Sender: bWFya3VzLmhvZW5pY2thQG1ob2VuaWNrYS5kZQ== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 063D57B9C3 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.47 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.932,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.936,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[mhoenicka.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mxlb.ispgateway.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.37)[-0.369,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[15.18.67.80.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34011, ipnet:80.67.16.0/20, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.03)[ipnet: 80.67.16.0/20(0.20), asn: 34011(-0.34), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 01:02:25 -0000 Am 2018-12-01 14:36, schrieb Dave: > On Thursday, 29 November 2018 00:23:12 GMT Markus Hoenicka wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've recently upgraded my laptop to: >> >> FreeBSD wombat 11.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p4 #0: Thu Sep 27 >> 08:16:24 UTC 2018 >> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> >> I've also updated all installed packages. >> >> I keep running into a nasty file copying bug that does not seem to >> have >> occurred previously. Result is that overwriting an existing file on an >> USB drive causes this file to be truncated instead of being >> overwritten, >> which means data loss. >> >> How to reproduce: >> >> After logging in, I start an Xfce session manually: >> >> startxfce4 --with-ck-launch >> >> mount stick in an xterm, as per handbook. Note that I've set up user >> mounting of USB drives: >> >> mount -t msdosfs -o -m=644,-M=755 /dev/da0s1 /stick/markus >> >> open source directory (on hard drive) in a ROX-Filer window >> open target directory (on usb drive) in another ROX-Filer window >> >> drag&drop a file from source over an existing copy on target >> >> dialog box asks if it is ok to overwrite which I acknowledge >> >> ROX-Filer window shows the correct file size immediately after >> copying, >> and after rescanning the directory. ls -al /stick/markus/targetdir >> also >> shows the correct file size at this point. >> >> umount /stick/markus fails because the device is busy. fstat shows >> that >> the ROX-Filer process keeps it busy >> >> now I can either use umount -f /stick/markus to forcibly unmount the >> stick, or I log out of the X session and then use umount /stick/markus >> without problems >> >> then mount the stick again as above, or try on a different computer >> >> ls -al /stick/markus/targetdir shows a target file size of zero. >> >> It appears that the new data are never flushed to the disk. I've even >> tried to run umount /stick/markus before umount -f /stick/markus, as >> this should perform a flush according to the umount man page. This bug >> appears to be specific to ROX-Filer. I could not reproduce this using >> Thunar, or plain ol' cp. This bug also appears to be specific to USB >> target drives, as I cannot reproduce this when overwriting files on >> the >> hard drive. I do not think the problem is related to a faulty file >> system on the target drive as I can reproduce this with just about any >> thumbdrive and external disk lying around. >> >> I've been using ROX-Filer for ages, but I've noticed that neither >> mailing lists nor bug tracker seem to be active. Is it about time to >> move on? >> >> thanks >> Markus > > I've seen similar issues with various filemanagers over the years > including Konquerer and Dolphin. I always just assumed it was a > feature of the way filemanagers worked so always closed the file > manager windows linked to the mounted device before unmounting it > or at least select a directory that is not part of the mounted > device. > > I never tried doing a forced umount while the filemanager had a > link to the mounted device. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi Dave, thanks for the input. In fact I did close the ROX-Filer windows before trying to unmount the stick. I just forgot that I had a ROX panel running which shares the same process as the file manager windows. Therefore the process kept the stick busy even after closing the file manager windows. I've removed the panel and tried again. Mount stick, copy file over existing file on stick between two ROX-Filer windows, close both windows, check there is no ROX process, check file size with ls -al (still correct at this point), unmount stick, mount it again - zero byte length. Same test with cp succeeds. It feels kinda scary if a no longer existing file manager process affects the state of a file on a stick - the medusa touch??. Fun fact: there is no such problem with ROX-Filer on my Debian box. Both use the same version 2.11. Looks like I'll have to switch to some other file manager for the time being. Any suggestions? I'll be happy to provide additional debug info if someone wants to take a stab at it - this is unfortunately above my head. best regards, Markus -- Markus Hoenicka http://www.mhoenicka.de AQ score 38 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 2 01:38:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1435132EE36 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 01:38:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from out2-2.antispamcloud.com (out2-2.antispamcloud.com [185.201.17.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 705887C881 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 01:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com) by mx128.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gTGIu-000560-Sb; 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First I hope > > > that I can just put FreeBSD CD in and install like on PC but I > > > heard that doesn't work. > > > Does anyone know a trick how should I solved the problem, please. > > > Now I have OS X (Mountain Lion) on and I use rEFIt as boot > > > manager. > > > > I place new disk either in a normal PC or an case with USB > > connection, format it there, give it labels, mount the partitions > > via the labels and copy every thing onto the new disk I require > > there. > > > > Of course, I adjust the /etc/fstab so that it mounts the disk later > > via the labels. > > > > Erich > > Thank you very much for the answer. I did replace HD in PC too but in > the Apple computers is much different and as I heard iMac cannot allow > install just FreeBSD or whatever OS different as OS X on the disk. here are some people running FreeBSD on the Macs. You just need a loader that is able to handle what ever is there as a BIOS replacement. All will be plain FreeBSD after the loader took over. 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First I hope > > > > that I can just put FreeBSD CD in and install like on PC but I > > > > heard that doesn't work. > > > > Does anyone know a trick how should I solved the problem, > > > > please. Now I have OS X (Mountain Lion) on and I use rEFIt as > > > > boot manager. > > > > > > I place new disk either in a normal PC or an case with USB > > > connection, format it there, give it labels, mount the partitions > > > via the labels and copy every thing onto the new disk I require > > > there. > > > > > > Of course, I adjust the /etc/fstab so that it mounts the disk > > > later via the labels. > > > > > > Erich > > > > Thank you very much for the answer. I did replace HD in PC too but > > in the Apple computers is much different and as I heard iMac cannot > > allow install just FreeBSD or whatever OS different as OS X on the > > disk. > > > here are some people running FreeBSD on the Macs. You just need a > loader that is able to handle what ever is there as a BIOS > replacement. > > All will be plain FreeBSD after the loader took over. > > Erich Yes, I have FreeBSD also on iMac and I am using rEFIt boot manager but I didn't figured out how can I do this. 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I'm evaluating a hardware upgrade and I've set my eyes on a Ryzen 7 2700 (coupled with an MSI B450-A Pro and 32GiB of RAM). I don't intend to overclock. I've read many reports of stability issues with this kind of CPUs, but I think I understand they are gone. Right? Can I go ahead safely? Will I need 12.0 or can 11.2 just run fine on this hardware? bye & Thanks av. 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I tried several times to re-install 11.0 (upgrading to 11.2 afterward) with Mate and Slim and I couldn't get the desktop to work properly. The best I could do is to log on through Slim, even after I made a fresh installation of 11.2 directly. I get the Mate desktop but none of the utilities (such as Mate Terminal) in the menu bar work. I don't know what to do next. I'm wondering if something's not set up properly, but I don't think I missed any of the steps. One possibility is to swap the HD as it's over 10 years old. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you. B. M. 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[50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b140sm4109221itc.4.2018.12.02.08.49.41 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 02 Dec 2018 08:49:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5C040D4D.8070601@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 09:50:21 -0700 From: JD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0216774CF8 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-2.01)[ip: (-6.98), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.69), asn: 15169(-1.29), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.983,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 16:49:44 -0000 On 12/02/2018 09:26 AM, B J wrote: > Yesterday, I wanted to upgrade one of my machines to 12.0-RC3 and > ended up trashing my system. > > I tried several times to re-install 11.0 (upgrading to 11.2 afterward) > with Mate and Slim and I couldn't get the desktop to work properly. > The best I could do is to log on through Slim, even after I made a > fresh installation of 11.2 directly. I get the Mate desktop but none > of the utilities (such as Mate Terminal) in the menu bar work. > > I don't know what to do next. I'm wondering if something's not set up > properly, but I don't think I missed any of the steps. > > One possibility is to swap the HD as it's over 10 years old. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you. > > B. M. Jatzeck I had had a similar problem on one of my linux machines .... I found the home directory contained mate related config files that were causing some similar problems to what you are experiencing. I even hat to rename my .profile to something else in order to be sure it was not doing settings that were breaking mate. So, you might want to try to remove or rename the mate and gnome config files from the home dir and retry. Cheers, jd From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 2 17:11:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730B41327F02 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 17:11:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe35.google.com (mail-vs1-xe35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D366A7599B for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 17:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe35.google.com with SMTP id v205so6160703vsc.3 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 09:11:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AclaukBffcDHtv/CtxZnupL/Jj8AvyKFlqBfntvBVfk=; b=Bw+MTF4ePE8YaqagdCxtJL2pDfou7DmX6aurbPOnDKaRRdD7ROQ6eCFpzgPFNM5wVy NNaYpQm3fWBUQvbFDbjIfNAVCuIvuh94rXbmIJb5nlJrQTZo9sLlJVaGDDT/qZUxncw0 DqnKuAEaFIIMF5yoKXok0k6RWQ6xXtcE8s21ZY/W4NBzTUQd2EAhPvFS+fDRldl8bcXH S+HfR7ZUb+XoYKaqCgRQgXragpeBIg0kZti9cv5u6ApGzbsuflDbF1TmsZyhawqYnus2 KwLZ/Bpg0vbXkRNAFxjQiG/qkRoxH6OLf6uAQT4lVeUONq5pUKPPgHGnU7dkKBUrHipC FSMA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AclaukBffcDHtv/CtxZnupL/Jj8AvyKFlqBfntvBVfk=; b=bsREnIJcTb8IDe54dxb7N5a2Gclk8RMzCyQffRBGygZUcjVlotDLFbv+vdy1wIPc+l f9dSQWpVaAL5PwyFdGt3dx9vDj6Bu6jwwLtlVl1pd7y3zS7M7D4mLc/mFvKCtAmrGBUj 2Jlwo6AEgCbYExsia5ZToj95s2jLcHDHWJZnUCSV7GZ/cMtf6FyPpowgUiaxzDNvV7bn PpjYuZMITMMLaebUeXeAKQlR3C28NPjecp3gTKx7CMq4SW7f+YHTCGyXa3qrJbD0MVqT a+AumrDxujIXnFefcw7PjBkTAadq4nbx7t7H39CIsQyLZAd8dkGCWZidc/TTtdzMrcxH 8VyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbUObH46sNmGXb8YqOVKOr7fYZ0FDOuBpIuSUy14sOHaX48wob4 eKczQs8zTeKcJ1noN3HyqFIfXYe5HeBnHoJFt1w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/V3SzXhPcd5kbgAp+3T5WWeLvL8GKJOHSjXdqfa+88JYZTpk7enLyS7tiu2u636DYmZub6Gb/1rky8t8PrP8PI= X-Received: by 2002:a67:1b04:: with SMTP id b4mr5603454vsb.141.1543770690021; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 09:11:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:57da:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 09:11:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5C040D4D.8070601@gmail.com> References: <5C040D4D.8070601@gmail.com> From: B J Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 17:11:29 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: JD Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D366A7599B X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.45 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.83)[-0.829,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.61)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.69), asn: 15169(-1.29), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 17:11:31 -0000 > I had had a similar problem on one of my linux machines .... > I found the home directory contained mate related config > files that were causing some similar problems to what you > are experiencing. I even hat to rename my .profile to something > else in order to be sure it was not doing settings that were > breaking mate. > So, you might want to try to remove or rename the mate and gnome config > files from the home dir and retry. Where would those files be located? Thanks. B. M. Jatzeck From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 2 21:36:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415A4130A12D for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 21:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x932.google.com (mail-ua1-x932.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::932]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D0BA7F8FC for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 21:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x932.google.com with SMTP id u19so3731651uae.4 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 13:36:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=BSq14vw8R074wyEuFHkFCnHxWEpIZm3sQkKMVwFSn5Q=; b=iROQ7araGWbXH4iJ04dDmG4VykKfCRJO47xvtxt3PRMfqZYSr5dk578bMLWwqOUiTs RIvy2WPJ+9l0jFU7mB1nh81N5tLtnsxnDbpA0FdibxZQjc+f8MSgsyxio+zbc+KaQ4a/ GZkdL9BE9eRhn54hBJ4KkkbuEpmzxzstcyLv8Kksmmlyxe7UBuHG6oNucGxUrEolNg0b chaafh4kSc8xXeTIWeNGXtoofnUtPQ2vLlFAoSEDd9xSAmHEOK2sQ0hmL8HtO1yd7XNV zl7ejjVwJK9Ua9TzndD0yCWGT8sh4E0eDQrFInlWr5Z1M2K1of5H9tFVVb+mrrxInKIn AWag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=BSq14vw8R074wyEuFHkFCnHxWEpIZm3sQkKMVwFSn5Q=; b=call5Upz7GvwbWM4iAR4C+x0r+sYmnvPIkHQ4eiLalpK3QSQBC9Zfo0ZQcb561f8/A 6+0FRRuadW81txT0PUzdmgJafKL9tMTofzSzQRRBx7RgdFQ32KWvcWW0YgIgYNuxP8Wd FDVdDfQdkZvYxFuTNREtguVGB/8MZwhmBE9j3daBvvlHCHbc8prP6hmqzc/SL/mVZyej fINL8M8CGfQHzKWrNL5zvP6W5pZ703gXDnXl/26sO0T+h8Da5CiZNe5AdOe4CHSk+C1R ukWr6YYbSddeXv6U7+zDMl/AdVIEw3ERNLG5HdwS/RIFHK6lMqeBCybLfMmFO9bLyIw8 mg6Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbsGpIJwc5x6V0RJVkRT8Ezw3Wz79xcYHAKN6Ggr9+uhodV1l51 uB0Yb0Mag8QRFhPskmcAxV+AzSGH9ioS+/uZSSyavbeV X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XNgIx2FUrFJPn3gT5yIMqFql3OWa+4cJGb7TgwdzLdkpDNFr5ET/ZaF3ZIgr8+u9qpQG1lpusDA/rTgGnpG/A= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:550b:: with SMTP id t11mr6425802uaa.31.1543786614845; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 13:36:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:57da:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 13:36:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: B J Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 21:36:54 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9D0BA7F8FC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.47 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.9.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.846,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.61)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.70), asn: 15169(-1.28), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 21:36:56 -0000 I'm now have a fresh direct installation of 11.2 and I just installed xorg using pkg. Running: Xorg -configure Xorg -config /root/xorg.conf.new and I eventually get a dark screen on my monitor. What did I do wrong? Thanks. B. M. Jatzeck From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 2 22:14:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F779130B7B3 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:14:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7000C80E80 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M8QFi-1gXxiR3edM-004Wzc; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 23:14:15 +0100 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 23:14:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: B J Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly Message-Id: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:O4i94p30gdmtyJLnxLMd0PoSuRp+CPZ8AbPoe9Kezzz5p58L/Pg LpPbGv8B5ciUOGMA0Z6jDmBJ9Qq7qDAHInrA0cmm0tzZ1Hlvllggh2ex8iy/yDeVXN5vvn7 /5XsLMnLetj0qa96rJUKrTJldU9Kzm6j6oPTW2A2k3kAMxVrzrpv6Nq/BvtPDcjdgYfmzJE GXcukNZpXL8hFt9dvOR1A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:P47Atw+Gs9o=:h61OvuIR5KRsAcqZ0frVI6 jByFTaKPfGz0WjYf8PPjT3SeIpGOVmCuZGEEEwNNqAMVwhF8VYvkuqqrbRerBIer1q7NCMly2 bQqg2ppxtv2Ii7Ad3a+TkQ57a+dwJ/3DZbryWjEZlVEXWznus0vYYxpKdYdo9Xox9zCvvY1hP UetZkL1uo1i12M/babLaLKdRwenCkI5DWNx81c1NN8DtiH+i1UJspc881UN3DuELP86nhYN77 b/uMZVExMZlwnDaNSbASWWS0v2JfK2vtwpvZtebAJ2rpH5sVvssueKNkvqLDhZNheILbvUwWh G3rMe4Tj16fF1hNeYEs7GcbrZlhLrGtp5MT91yV38BmBUn9jeFtIUpTsXITV3fQMG9SP0evXc GXxMsGyQ3GGovscz3Rjw5tPDliKxIWpPSMXsegTJ2hxOin0uRzkiQpjMByo2n2Ps3q/1MTxEH B744hGKVrrR7XbxsuFd1CjsCip/aR3pDUiqRS5QiMxQRKacIEAiWui/GoqYPZ3PGwUM+sLcub MhihOeXeFnSiK/FD15Du0r8xIbOeFccOCT4HlNAqK2kaYKol8NotaHQkThlwRyOI+TByEGWnT lFSDxIF9kbZz25K25BheH29Pwm0BxUX0WaQlRZjK5DyM7nROC7xT8UA8iRxTRlMXlOd5kbNUN 6PGtZL84XxLpqyJv2Ipi7FU+XkJ4q9Oo6KrbS8l4LXgsnNg1QbbOwetGc0MOP2t58v58u71tC PPgSP4FfLzNpLJ4szddAo+7FC7IxUOe48RW1lS9brxvRe6XaZIkmnC6qSZ0= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7000C80E80 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.85 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx00.schlund.de,mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(0.15)[ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.68), asn: 8560(0.07), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.69)[-0.693,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.58)[0.581,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.57)[-0.574,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[73.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 22:14:25 -0000 On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 21:36:54 +0000, B J wrote: > I'm now have a fresh direct installation of 11.2 and I just installed > xorg using pkg. Running: > > Xorg -configure > Xorg -config /root/xorg.conf.new Those two steps aren't usually needed. X will configure itself on startup automatically, so there's hardly a need for a configuration file. > and I eventually get a dark screen on my monitor. > > What did I do wrong? Thanks. Nothing, that is the correct behaviour. In order to get a window manager or desktop environment, just install it. ;-) Further details: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 2 22:51:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A97130C01D for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:51:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe35.google.com (mail-vs1-xe35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A6AC81B5F for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:51:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe35.google.com with SMTP id t17so6403665vsc.8 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 14:51:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=kV1xceQYjDfrdT3TVj2dIYw44/PUHMYQhgYzE2H6hmg=; b=lzF8uzpOVAyxIcNec+2fMlmlwANhmEOp3yHQArYaIBMePA9F6yfjCJo7Z2bOJaU/ry lCvoeJHztd8XgIJrDNEihMBC9dCL4w0rPa5MB/oQY2xjxtgZbKGVGnGYA9QTogf/1o3o NccDSKREuviuRhogD8HGn4vgi6gu5F95F98lMIp0UDCJu+qFxYPdu8rthrT6WGw/ihQH XmGOdl3GMolJcMvZdknO4vTS4t5k2z6pK4++E+/8/uLOF6ySmav58Ewd3D4rY0dMGn1j uzmivEyCa7TrSuSsFPUuIJa7n99YYacgTNtV7ezD1hBKJBqQI3KnxrlTxxShDSvPR+Ci 5Bnw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=kV1xceQYjDfrdT3TVj2dIYw44/PUHMYQhgYzE2H6hmg=; b=sS3LIO1WNf/yQVQNSl15wwD6rdQQug7D7eiyjj9kmgY3Yv1nwK5VA+hYrNlvZwkJXO W5bJ5Ezoi19rw3WGuHBmkrgyBpfmLlFySeGR/vbYmRhTqf/tj/05vXyfNjYnYJvQGQ2G JRiDv6UFRtHk+ni2yFkzf5/fUQxdwXbgENtFphrKeOAqjkkV8aK2DDNgqGw+OE2JJ7X3 JtMSgrtOBL5C8+Dpr91fvaMU86TmXMGuu2ELbydJvMyXcYMF+uD1uSqgQgi/GPg15tA6 qiArbb/c4K28DOGOhxaUUFRdDMukroHpptbYWkDSSWrK4W2OHCBUTv9EXiQtSwY6yfSW 3Ztg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbVUd7lSu45yBSGOELHTguYC6BmN3rDUwUEsj0iC9UcaHNzasIJ BN7PW0+vpemhQb0EBOwMs9Icie6pYixmafELCFs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UGryfUDtOZiRK3qcBf6g6IN8Du7wgOAy4VSUht77rUnPazTQpJMjDZ1b5Q0PE9x34xKloCI6Gb5pAEhiP4g1c= X-Received: by 2002:a67:3f96:: with SMTP id q22mr6028406vsi.1.1543791090548; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 14:51:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:57da:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 14:51:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> From: B J Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:51:30 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6A6AC81B5F X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.77)[-0.774,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.61)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.70), asn: 15169(-1.28), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 22:51:32 -0000 > Nothing, that is the correct behaviour. In order to get > a window manager or desktop environment, just install it. ;-) > > Further details: > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html I can't get a proper display when I run: xinit mate-session I get the following message: scfb trace: probe start scfb trace: probe done failed to set mtrr: Invalid argument xinit: connection to X server lost waiting for X server to shut down failed to unset mtrr: No such file or directory (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file. Is this a serious problem? If so, how can I fix it? Thanks. BMJ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 2 22:58:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438BB130C32D for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:58:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jude.obscure@yandex.com) Received: from forward106o.mail.yandex.net (forward106o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::609]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BABA82552 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jude.obscure@yandex.com) Received: from mxback7o.mail.yandex.net (mxback7o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::21]) by forward106o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id AC5D6785274; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 01:58:17 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp4p.mail.yandex.net (smtp4p.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1402::15:6]) by mxback7o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id KDxjjtd50L-wHgaFiPo; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 01:58:17 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1543791497; bh=71vHRp1V5XnyqNdav5p0bakU8bqlistmUHtise2z3eo=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=rOm9rVKSzeN4do1RN4v1AIhSPYJB8d55DY1F5MuUl1d0vTpBxy+FqTPBBpUAsdXrp k02sMjA2LNUBSfiBWR21PkjmJYzz2eWv3Ol9W5MgvkqkfgsNv2TPIIJvG/VPuNgMES Hf9fpetpKTxiN9QllPxdglEf55oYHQXRDmXu0JMI= Received: by smtp4p.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id HrdR14Iw41-wFMKpNSQ; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 01:58:16 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1543791497; bh=71vHRp1V5XnyqNdav5p0bakU8bqlistmUHtise2z3eo=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=rOm9rVKSzeN4do1RN4v1AIhSPYJB8d55DY1F5MuUl1d0vTpBxy+FqTPBBpUAsdXrp k02sMjA2LNUBSfiBWR21PkjmJYzz2eWv3Ol9W5MgvkqkfgsNv2TPIIJvG/VPuNgMES Hf9fpetpKTxiN9QllPxdglEf55oYHQXRDmXu0JMI= Authentication-Results: smtp4p.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: Polytropon , B J Cc: freebsd-questions References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Manish Jain Message-ID: <5385f72e-56f0-5899-68d0-627e8cde3232@yandex.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 04:24:58 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7BABA82552 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.79 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yandex.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::/64]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.yandex.ru]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yandex.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yandex.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.947,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.73)[ipnet: 2a02:6b8::/32(-4.83), asn: 13238(-3.84), country: RU(0.01)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[9.0.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.d.2.a.1.0.0.0.0.8.b.6.0.2.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:2a02:6b8::/32, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 22:58:22 -0000 On 12/03/18 03:44, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 21:36:54 +0000, B J wrote: >> I'm now have a fresh direct installation of 11.2 and I just installed >> xorg using pkg. Running: >> >> Xorg -configure >> Xorg -config /root/xorg.conf.new > > Those two steps aren't usually needed. X will configure > itself on startup automatically, so there's hardly a need > for a configuration file. > > > >> and I eventually get a dark screen on my monitor. >> >> What did I do wrong? Thanks. > > Nothing, that is the correct behaviour. In order to get > a window manager or desktop environment, just install it. ;-) > > Further details: > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html > > > I had the same problem. The problem here is not what you are doing is incorrect. The xorg documentation is wrong. It prompts you to run 'Xorg -config /root/xorg.conf.new' to test the server. But that leads to a blank screen. If you want to test your config, just use startx Regards, Manish Jain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 2 23:01:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B89130C56E for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 23:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jude.obscure@yandex.com) Received: from forward105p.mail.yandex.net (forward105p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFB9F8272C for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 23:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jude.obscure@yandex.com) Received: from mxback1j.mail.yandex.net (mxback1j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::10a]) by forward105p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id D5DDA8C0AA0; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 02:01:43 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp1p.mail.yandex.net (smtp1p.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b6:6]) by mxback1j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id 4mLbK0E7Xp-1hLedUMX; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 02:01:43 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1543791703; bh=L5Sky66oUIaUZg1uJMg24PDUMHlFfLEC153rBcmJXIo=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=WsagWiGw77SrOBlHHQ6/mNgtGUjL7I9BgnMSAQqYH4gGJFrv8jUSGKlddGjhN7/+m EfDe/5UAcaOoBGXSgPOoljm3LYzGjPrucS1QwPimMqwECQDaiETBhEFhOrDZORF2KM XVnG9OQaT6nghiZ10I4wtoaM52VXoFMyFBunardE= Received: by smtp1p.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id oXGtDR2CCm-1fP4caDA; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 02:01:42 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1543791703; bh=L5Sky66oUIaUZg1uJMg24PDUMHlFfLEC153rBcmJXIo=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=WsagWiGw77SrOBlHHQ6/mNgtGUjL7I9BgnMSAQqYH4gGJFrv8jUSGKlddGjhN7/+m EfDe/5UAcaOoBGXSgPOoljm3LYzGjPrucS1QwPimMqwECQDaiETBhEFhOrDZORF2KM XVnG9OQaT6nghiZ10I4wtoaM52VXoFMyFBunardE= Authentication-Results: smtp1p.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: B J , Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Manish Jain Message-ID: <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 04:28:24 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: BFB9F8272C X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.79 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yandex.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a02:6b8:0:1000::/52]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-1.74)[ipnet: 2a02:6b8::/32(-4.84), asn: 13238(-3.85), country: RU(0.01)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.947,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yandex.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yandex.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.yandex.ru]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:2a02:6b8::/32, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[8.0.1.0.7.b.8.0.0.0.0.0.1.4.7.2.2.7.4.1.0.0.0.0.8.b.6.0.2.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 23:01:46 -0000 On 12/03/18 04:21, B J wrote: > > >> Nothing, that is the correct behaviour. In order to get >> a window manager or desktop environment, just install it. ;-) >> >> Further details: >> >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html > > I can't get a proper display when I run: > > xinit mate-session > > I get the following message: > > scfb trace: probe start > scfb trace: probe done > failed to set mtrr: Invalid argument > xinit: connection to X server lost > waiting for X server to shut down failed to unset mtrr: No such file > or directory (II) > Server terminated successfully (0). > Closing log file. > > Is this a serious problem? If so, how can I fix it? Thanks. 1) Perhaps you should put kern.vty=vt in /boot/loader.conf and reboot. Do you still get the error with startx ? 2) Put the following in ~/.xinitrc before running startx : exec mate-session Regards, MJ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 2 23:48:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41431130DB66 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 23:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3152784950 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 23:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N5G5b-1hSP6O3dgr-011EKD; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 00:48:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 00:48:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: B J Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly Message-Id: <20181203004821.6c882156.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:2M1W40+leRCz7tmYqB75PHbdPRBvQiphyJVt5TLej7LsNWjs3NI 6V9ERVCkrKyjsIwWTjAk4QJ+UIVuVlRnhZG1lbylNZvvKljjR8PwmzCWFF6DrmV4buTo80u 66mxMkdNO6S3oJLWVNzsWgSFQh1DVl5V4YcFAdTRB/bhwNf118/r7M43xylGXdlIKGzavTs pf0w0CdZ4wfE6ZQVAyF5A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:xEwY2ijEuyQ=:ogzqILwkKfQt36LFpwj1kg fUM3C2E1RMkIWlxUUWO8eYVBs2qtcsDMOQB2TrdvoSw3v1CYmu9b86OfbMFVsvDO/vuP9Z3H+ Wn+0RlnnzOla7E1OlXIeoGA2D/UXV+qglkHsqlMfsC/vpSAll8aX6mjzT+weDtNBsMDJjP40u 0I38RZ2iIjHKPAE/wZMPITYboTbyOk2EvCFjNZCqUcECTc7MtBvvhhl4oug8a1F8Cvek+KZFY FLHj+FRLiTBZyfP116uMLGwy/a6bJGsbtBYZwIqIdILY3Zmv/6ThFAkYyYPfOpJtbKWqwO699 +tS9utwkBUiaRdHAY0h9Qhwn3uwyFl7igJJRNaz4O6bRPzreurfCnqsLe/rrLOTmfoa43GxGM n79okwWFrAnjrwQimP6ZG4qKeSRJKtXy7wuv3uw7TYNUyTP9VqOqxSZnutNDeAMgB0GRbN226 dtZsQI94y+vFEuib9/X/CCkCIW2G9lp2RLgH668NeRy6jYVu03GbjzOEYWlhaYvBM0n8BPyYp /rGjhUJAoQ0ZInqJOczYDBfJ9m9FAyXb8L6g5dtRddAcD+Z6qR6TmTxQPDmNYn6QoRVkQbDJx JskAHXW6uVLWnPNS+zYYWS2WlPUCW23aqRfQ9I1V6aSrXO/JELpLf8X45MSgOebyaAMxbpSHn OIY2wfN20i6gTknbqJCEgKzG8yAaHPl251ywzn+AsVwzSZDy7OCcr0kKzlzK6zXTeNfLTyIl3 AsS7D1b/VHJXcvJnomwrgGTdNgTlhe2QTF66mMfn5Q74h0GWwNWeHER7WMU= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3152784950 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(-0.08)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.44), asn: 8560(0.07), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.948,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.23)[0.232,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.90)[-0.901,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[24.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 23:48:31 -0000 On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:51:30 +0000, B J wrote: > > > > Nothing, that is the correct behaviour. In order to get > > a window manager or desktop environment, just install it. ;-) > > > > Further details: > > > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html > > I can't get a proper display when I run: > > xinit mate-session You should initalize ~/.xinitrc properly, then "startx" will be fully sufficient. For example, in case of MATE, the line exec mate-session should do the trick. When the mate-session program exits, the X server will shut down as intended. > I get the following message: > > scfb trace: probe start > scfb trace: probe done > failed to set mtrr: Invalid argument > xinit: connection to X server lost > waiting for X server to shut down failed to unset mtrr: No such file > or directory (II) > Server terminated successfully (0). > Closing log file. > > Is this a serious problem? If so, how can I fix it? Thanks. Looks a bit suspicious, but could be due to missing startup file. Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for "EE" lines which indicate errors. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 2 23:50:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BB9130DC14 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 23:50:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A507849E9 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 23:50:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MkYkC-1hDL2R1HA6-00m4VN; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 00:50:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 00:50:20 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Manish Jain Cc: B J , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly Message-Id: <20181203005020.b70bf001.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jvmrieYoEBN7o/R80kQGv4Z+Xax8G42uSlE6oVwGvqHlDj6OdAt Sz0cfIv9I9So7xWTkiND3lMUGh+IgkU7+e91w5smm0FoIrDfz+E8aMbAXB9FZ7my6It0uuD 0/XWMX3t9jBYR2OE2wwNO/m4xMUVQTbxM/w9pZgPxySsPyd1PUa9laIqhL/tMnrZ0ehSAUX 4HCgZzSuIwiN/hPbxcnvA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:w/aKaDPy0Zk=:joZ8GGn6alpt+SwFrAvIfL u8v/l0cGEeWVQbXyvrpwKMTDtwqT/4rByPKlE5B/lSROrHoFYbt1nfU6+PGEy5Utri1zKzhV2 JwhnXXVJRocZtHj9Daqa7OCCoG+3O103SNa+ESOr1QlenLLY4S2LKfIXcQcoZhHJPw7vgvhX3 IEQlIBykTVI6s9E4pTMfd1tYUtCIIFKKLMKHwGXiX4NgdeTg/7p9Z0j1xwhJ1L/cR31/GvrWC Qkkeng9GKU22nXfMwmFnQ8igo6S9wyezw/EWVeWqBcZKx+Rvgih96Fv7Z3kNCvEmexiQQTK+/ 2sYJBkhvZNKCCOjXbcxJ++Cc/v1nCuGHuD5iwhOY/nTfeR+tjRKfclKDbM0RLLjX89arsBAR+ o6q5EaaDPdE4GZOrBDTRsMWLIV+alBRLuvhX7EY/t8N2WwRFYjCYA33NPYjNNWOWugtHZjrCZ 5NTHY20YSXRTv2MuddoYHbgr6k0CLKRPMRVnp5xSxCUdG90lhazCXcrqMr2+XCc12exAbrFiv E1ACkObm0awJvL6UjH8dp3jUhIk9oGi+9qgDhWaE5YSm/u6TPKULjY1CYZx9ILELiLzl2qLMm J6RX1UjgS/Q5Z2Ll7C1a8/i1Z4rXistQuWBU4/rJdVJ2ei253WCdpsmL+pFuIu0fKhP0weGf/ xvN1ezr1WqjDWcMIiA/FezD/R6UXCENWAxt5xaIGQYj/xtsmGfbZiUICcA8LDgQ4l4CzTPhcK DiF8DcTGYuqEGqKMqGIFteWgfcw0Hu4BBfF6M25Gf+hJWkTvHVCH2LFLTyc= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1A507849E9 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.72 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yandex.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(0.13)[ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.61), asn: 8560(0.07), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.73)[-0.726,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.51)[0.512,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.59)[-0.591,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 23:50:30 -0000 On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 04:28:24 +0530, Manish Jain wrote: > On 12/03/18 04:21, B J wrote: > > > > > >> Nothing, that is the correct behaviour. In order to get > >> a window manager or desktop environment, just install it. ;-) > >> > >> Further details: > >> > >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html > > > > I can't get a proper display when I run: > > > > xinit mate-session > > > > I get the following message: > > > > scfb trace: probe start > > scfb trace: probe done > > failed to set mtrr: Invalid argument > > xinit: connection to X server lost > > waiting for X server to shut down failed to unset mtrr: No such file > > or directory (II) > > Server terminated successfully (0). > > Closing log file. > > > > Is this a serious problem? If so, how can I fix it? Thanks. > > 1) > Perhaps you should put kern.vty=vt in /boot/loader.conf and reboot. > Do you still get the error with startx ? On FreeBSD 11.2 (as written in an earlier message), this should already be the default. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 3 01:46:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BF9131104C for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 01:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk1-xa35.google.com (mail-vk1-xa35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 862D76AA61 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 01:46:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk1-xa35.google.com with SMTP id n126so2519491vke.12 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 17:46:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=usKFxlJoI7CmUAZD/MrtfvE3Asbqn8Hv71dV4ObGnvI=; b=KlPAJlaP3AxUL4WJvisbM+mNndzY2UfZqQdHC8aHst/uai5aEE93fL7h1YDvpvSYlW dKc3JrPqrzKnsICVZ3mKwlVQcFq2waIeamRq+L7ly0iZwiGR4DEpqQtjO4KxFvtH+erB kCSw3vRnuKoTEhvpQAUm/sCz3RwStiH+QwZKD28O4qJnhA2aD2Joa5Vtt7e//0+Oczmc 3sh4OceSE1Tcg8tcoQeAQ+bP2HgMjYY0pWe98FznObIFR6qk997BuchjD2HgOQvIrQe0 6sNi4Ty+MtEftVRjMCSvTb+vIqCNg+KsJTBewbYJwYPhePpp/QEIXK67fYZB7snMZ9un wFjA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=usKFxlJoI7CmUAZD/MrtfvE3Asbqn8Hv71dV4ObGnvI=; b=ZnGgo3fr1uDFAHcAxvTi0u4j5eFnM8k+7t3UzRZ7dfFDJv/xSBmz+8bttxyPkhZgh3 ggLfixi8+2Oqgt6pngYt43b9WhsiGNEE5mMSbBIZuplOiZTqdkrtqfy2RUx+J66Q97RJ fPoTtJgkvdUnLJJBqvvSwVZtm3k9eAGMl/LYaLfw4bspkbzLy9Lie7wqNPsj0KlMdeFs Ac5SiQoJEkplYIgiq13k8zpd00TuZZsF2eJpeYh8MhOPQG2k3OQW9JpWQjDu9HlC+9pZ YiffyzFo8fs0tAKCNQ1crMR2mADhHvM87pXGfbdch4h7Mr9i2dmGSOh0NF8dF4XOkZTP nvgQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZvAHOUvYw8OsSMaAfhSH2YnK2eVU2HQtkNBmPHQqdg1MnjAhXj qC10jaQqN607EzTiDC2MKds35noh8ZzCwJDt27QybO1q X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/WtvJY6S/voSJOHWoF3tjqloh96BxwBImbgSNRHZLW160ZQac7eDPkR8BcPDnW6NmbuMcMjSSxqOEQd+30xLz8= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:6bc8:: with SMTP id k69mr5890029vki.84.1543801576752; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 17:46:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:57da:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 17:46:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5385f72e-56f0-5899-68d0-627e8cde3232@yandex.com> References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <5385f72e-56f0-5899-68d0-627e8cde3232@yandex.com> From: B J Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 01:46:15 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: Manish Jain Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 862D76AA61 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.877,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.a.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yandex.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.61)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.70), asn: 15169(-1.27), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 01:46:18 -0000 > I had the same problem. The problem here is not what you are doing is > incorrect. > > The xorg documentation is wrong. It prompts you to run 'Xorg -config > /root/xorg.conf.new' to test the server. But that leads to a blank screen. That's what I thought. > > If you want to test your config, just use startx I got xorg to run using that. Thanks. B. M. Jatzeck From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 3 02:10:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63534131191C for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 02:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk1-xa31.google.com (mail-vk1-xa31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 964F06B5B4 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 02:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk1-xa31.google.com with SMTP id 197so2540284vkf.4 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 18:10:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=eqVzdGCE1FQcbXUBm8xYn62R+ct1MhJbLudYq1OuBww=; b=T6uAJ+mmEZCpF1jGPYaGQEE0fP0fonwxFW7QYf4WtbXWEcJXZYLIo0EPme/PLwVuB+ QayYaNBxhUR3FWpwZVBYSCc1AWcq/Km7md5wpa9TWYJ5T+47n6rZQffoVSywqGNu9VpN c6xtimNLLr/2W1hPsXYridHv3zzGmnQUhKTGLWixjr0xyz7Da3QnlPWGF4tNE8KakB1P X1utgTKPEZC7YuCx+eKk71ytqYh+2Gbm6/F83k6Etbx+SdY1UtAsFXU1/O4DfAsMiTdA ZVQA9jqE7m2pvqlKbQNueJVpLfgdHoYvKjvPcq8TpVqfPf/d92gvqkT+urV5syInts9g cQQQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eqVzdGCE1FQcbXUBm8xYn62R+ct1MhJbLudYq1OuBww=; b=OVKSIRVRDiicSDNIsJPThAp/evZKwztF7yvw/YRanuc29j5eHSBM0Lq8l85qKnCi2f iMzUiJHJkemvHrdegQmI8MJgyq0sNCpEEFyP4N4Kj86aP9XdZFPirI/+Z0gweohU13g/ SKqJLmX8a5RmVCn+KF+joYkEib56quTarnH7Hklj5jOUB3+ctdDbWtVEJUSK5aQMWLMY 6SZLHH58UwZRocfo8sp4jWxtebA4A0WgAYBqFjfdGD9x4XRsgueoOhWw+/SGmNdQn148 +/+rRJClnPRaxtzaHprBXQX8Sj/RjNWdgGdubrSdkrDTfnJdUjvUpGZIOKKeUc354Sv6 RP6A== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbxErxMddcgTzalBUu5EgjcElEo7MebHkg27TFRoybhRljHgzrS Red+ai+PA8zImKDOVRaDAV4BN6ZqAeM6j53uO/k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UMvjd+awXOSveQby78XiO1pDzFzBKj9LhZ+sXFvTwtdQySSDALP60Q0o0rioBRe0yx2Cnvm6eC5wVIJXmZ7fs= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:95d1:: with SMTP id x200mr6008207vkd.78.1543803008857; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 18:10:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:57da:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 18:10:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> From: B J Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 02:10:08 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: Manish Jain Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 964F06B5B4 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.73)[-0.726,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.a.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yandex.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.61)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.70), asn: 15169(-1.27), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 02:10:10 -0000 > 1) > Perhaps you should put kern.vty=vt in /boot/loader.conf and reboot. > Do you still get the error with startx ? > > 2) > Put the following in ~/.xinitrc before running startx : > > exec mate-session I did that and there was no difference in what Mate did. Since my machine is over 10 years old, I wonder if the current version of Mate is incompatible with it? BMJ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 3 02:42:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6631312CFF for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 02:42:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe31.google.com (mail-vs1-xe31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 274856D08D for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 02:42:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe31.google.com with SMTP id b74so6590274vsd.9 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 18:42:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=e3Up+m65HKiHm6qGL9nyn8MGvbtxWCyPihrLdHed0L8=; b=CO/r2g6J6qhubXCZ/5xvKGzMzA85TJvCEzNg+9UduFxzFsGxFwyDzBWV13xP1maJv1 oVVxSNzdL0255TvYVP/WA77VzD0sQdx9oERsk9vqPweVGgPvuZl3lRuJYDbTBqDsYy7O AeDUr3fpRPrSolXvkApUjMFaYQu37vj5ArHegFP2v5uxUOHlGv0ZGa9zUZRWqfIEZygu 8RPW6PV4RsYDzXJJ7zXwAbLAGgiZ6+LY0pQrN5n3SFJu9IhmsiWxd/dpj1fiE857Vi4K RYjRYu9R1VsmD3fqCeZ0pvd9ec2Ljrswo3Bl1E0/1q5b7eQFCdkNRAzfQE7LyI/w+7D3 cY+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=e3Up+m65HKiHm6qGL9nyn8MGvbtxWCyPihrLdHed0L8=; b=HwAOk/TWk/xQB7w0l8zGQdjyvLTgbWyZbSEaHsccEMTAJD0oDJpM0B7RA4wl/NKdcd EINs01NPerRxvmz2jPk3vXH1RfopH6sEWu9D4945ukibZqdH0P73zh/Eel0nqZsBeVnb iaFeQG/9clG1hnBbbywWHhIkE/0dP/cbEbImy42e2bQQ64XJOnslktFFb10T/vJUVufF mMTYhQ++qjiD7qPJPoXOdlyAW3t58KsT22i/zRTjoJHUlDCfGhHWeGgie6Nq+ZrF+kMx u2EdIb2kf+qYLcQk6TNHdLxkxsgCEH0B4WzHs8F6cnx1hlPe+hp6O5Zy3XUiuoMhkSQz CNQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWa5Rvkd6S0jQoJXYHnJgaIjTPELJnzX0pi1SSg6OG0ehP+i221O 2PckTbCXS2C/kPaOK+natTjYjDbsc9pzzr1CQW8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UPEwKg1NxVCSyPRc2bOihvZ0/pJKGlKcQutJtBTLZX/uY4lRlQrGeYTcRUa5C7yEM8xOj/klrLxGjY01fdaw8= X-Received: by 2002:a67:8706:: with SMTP id j6mr6239888vsd.10.1543804940402; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 18:42:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:57da:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 18:42:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> From: B J Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 02:42:19 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: Manish Jain Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 274856D08D X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.34 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.72)[-0.721,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yandex.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.61)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.70), asn: 15169(-1.27), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 02:42:22 -0000 I just installed Xcfe and it appears to be running properly. It looks like I might have to consider looking at replacing that machine with something newer. 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Fetching metadata signature for 12.0-RC2 from update4.freebsd.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. The following components of FreeBSD seem to be installed: kernel/generic src/src world/base world/doc world/lib32 The following components of FreeBSD do not seem to be installed: kernel/generic-dbg world/base-dbg world/lib32-dbg Does this look reasonable (y/n)? y Fetching metadata signature for 12.0RC3 from update4.freebsd.org... failed. Fetching metadata signature for 12.0RC3 from update1.freebsd.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. Best Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 3 17:28:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4C4132D61B for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:28:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FD1D8B718 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:28:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N5FMB-1hS7VD3tjx-0117Tw; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 18:28:31 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:28:30 +0100 From: Polytropon To: B J Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly Message-Id: <20181203182830.d5d026ff.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:bBzvptLx+NVM5OAf7Mg8dGhqqdPYgm7/3qAWv9+XU0Vn3snQfO0 bqbV9xJS2SFelf3FR7HigvADenWsIVn8tyTfC+t6iJOU2xBTLOWBltE39tV7ycBwbfrDR/B lswU/KaYIQbf5c3+NmJAyKSy32C7/RsN3L2/INh/t4S43/VwbtgZKdLE9iPoLdaMqVDNzd8 /f45BM1xnzYxi8mpcW51Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:seDRL2botNY=:DlIQybXvULD8JMf1DEwped abkXp7Ax/8GDkBDqo9ji5xvfzUePjweEd1eAGiADBjFCot6RHrPKTfnB95G+bH0JvtEyzEtdp p18VdOZFzBExTpLaHtvpd6joDzowOMPfO15Gjfj7DD1eQ08Jvlu40CpYWyMKulzszu31Qvd7Q ICGdeO2FB/bBXFr5GL8wnHEe9A1i9QDdaZrYgCyJq/C4GxmJPkZYFDriLMj5nd3InlNcOaZQX ejth8xqTgIMRUOqEmejmvXOnbjJFCt5aTK1aYCKQhd3gFr/PVPJMFtcM6NqjEC0l+82uMUEyG QOwgPSQkhKJAtUDEcqV+FgUR+8vKHrsmSBO3uuW11GiuB68caK8AULsgStYPIJfA+oEgMVyvl BBAK4VO5KYlPkKC+opfkiIrR3c4KyCU3pw4Tie9lxF1bXBe1gmNAyIU/27yUiln/0M310E046 3rge3jkVBheXVttwQnZKyQ82Kbs+d58bBpcijw8k5xE1T0JN7+jrdZiytprU/OJk8pGi8Tumy xYBynp8EXICJG9e8d9aLSiOcrggmKgHoZ5yaXtfjTB0Ye1RvrkyMM6xhYF7fR6EsBgYteYDhS s2NEajhU/x3e2H8qC74J4A+iq4NvziTOt8MtVh3BmLWm7q7D4avWsDKHrDN+/MelwMjJtoWRA Y8vCSoJuUxFzl2rctSb6aWEu6RkOhcT7gkwiIDw9ukTz+i2p154c146c+Pm3594lwfHGnUcv3 otmAzS68qYpSsgpLTWtt2udIXG/KaSwMDN4CF7g8FLaaf68Jc6DWIxPGTDM= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8FD1D8B718 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.87 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.15)[-0.154,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(0.12)[ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.56), asn: 8560(0.07), country: DE(-0.01)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.67)[-0.665,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.82)[-0.823,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:28:34 -0000 On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 02:10:08 +0000, B J wrote: > Since my machine is over 10 years old, I wonder if the current version > of Mate is incompatible with it? That probably won't be the case. I have a customer who is using a 10 years old Dell laptop with FreeBSD 10 and MATE on it, and no problems. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 3 17:41:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92160132DBDA for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A14E68C23A for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MOiLp-1grBqY0PCJ-00QAAQ; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 18:41:53 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:41:53 +0100 From: Polytropon To: B J Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly Message-Id: <20181203184153.b37810d9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:aD5yKpsmevomsESyiCsX57K7NTlCmOmsyL7Geyj/6C5soyRn4CR pKtIWh7LvbWbaR41vR2Mk/C/6GZ+sLcWFhIt+5HRTmBjdbj4+V6a6Q9IliZDBr5q2pHtEkP bKRNPQKy32QiZydHZEOts9YcWNK0nHcUSRjKv42MSB7SkRcmV8A0TwRHIlq6LXUmm3KKXgS u5Z1ZO2r4+/51wDoOek6A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:HuqiQWMG6oQ=:nG1pKqu0xuhQqzxED1R+yR Tdflph5OoRxJtD7KYKDz5MlwRKyajwnSx6HHKSfTW7NVtWJsE0RdoUNw8smDvldo534Yt+NLr Kp4vjUZZMETEBtvG/f1vt1/z0VERhd9x5oXWLR4kjR8VOTfgk7T3ocq4Di464IIkknklLC6FY mO65n9gT45I8/wt8ti+7ykreTVdCRLiohieiUrMHaFrSFr5aRONocTAE7WnHJkjd7QbMxzt6y JOraUQO1aTwsRmFBfcZAIYL23c0s+O68d4XhYkJmCHn1Nf5oOGbEHqY+tXPoxI94zqDo/08IP qlCV9uZJgCNO/7HIkOuIyKK92Wc083n8qrqc1NxAx1irbYYMEcWaQmfFhVivkbztIoY05vYBO BSehmfRqy9IAcvyTuR3WzEjsbsPYfWoEGPoxy1WUUaXUOfCVZSDDvUE4Ksv0wR7ykJyGmZnWA P54RbZmig0hynO/GHuumVPAVlOBZhrJ4EsDdRwgRYwqROL9CXfk8OoKE7r2wCD9hl6+LxJyc/ a24rES0Bqr3XrUtQ/YQNrw3+43VK/LNXH6zKAKq9WeO8p7fbgA+pd8Q77NqoNdMKfBtPJcCQi n3iUS7jxb7f429ayqijcCeNphagZJht1bzrlX0TC1gkcbdraaxKu5C3zArd63VvVcIeusZ9zn egDQ2Q4azOh6Lm0I4+G4bCtcrpXAQI/TGggrte4xWyjx2SdrgpwWeb7eONIbB6Yx8pYJHVtsf fwamDgkG/SKXY4BADFtgGt2ClpLgqlC/4aVaXR7fHmbFupOD/RttOCisJCc= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A14E68C23A X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.49 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.901,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(-0.07)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.41), asn: 8560(0.07), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.950,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.953,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[24.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:41:56 -0000 On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 02:42:19 +0000, B J wrote: > I just installed Xcfe and it appears to be running properly. It looks > like I might have to consider looking at replacing that machine with > something newer. For better diagnostics, use the following entry in ~/.xinitrc: exec xterm Then use "startx", and run "mate-session" from within the terminal. You should be able to see _why_ MATE isn't starting properly, while Xfce does. AS I said in a previous message, the age of the system probably is not the reason for MATE not working. Maybe something has changed in its configuration, so maybe renaming MATE's settings subtree to .old and starting with no configuration at all will work. Incompatibility of older settings sometimes leads to software not starting after an upgrade (e. g., CUPS). So this is something you could try. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 3 18:28:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E126D132ED6A for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nervoso@k1.com.br) Received: from betasoftsp.com.br (betasoftsp.com.br [177.189.222.85]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "betasoftsp.com.br", Issuer "betasoftsp.com.br" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAF588E0A1 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nervoso@k1.com.br) Received: from lenzidesk.netbsd.lenzicasa (179.184.51.72.static.gvt.net.br [179.184.51.72] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by betasoftsp.com.br (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wB3IRwxq012223 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 3 Dec 2018 16:27:59 -0200 (-02) (envelope-from nervoso@k1.com.br) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio?= de Almeida Lenzi To: Polytropon , B J Cc: freebsd-questions Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 16:27:57 -0200 In-Reply-To: <20181203182830.d5d026ff.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> <20181203182830.d5d026ff.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Evolution 3.30.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DAF588E0A1 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.79 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:betasoftsp.com.br]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[k1.com.br]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.73)[0.732,0]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.k1.com.br,mx2.k1.com.br]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.55)[0.551,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[85.222.189.177.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.36)[-0.358,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[country: BR(0.02)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:27699, ipnet:177.188.0.0/15, country:BR]; PHISHING(1.67)[177.189.222.85->192.168.56.32]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 18:28:42 -0000 If you are interest, I have a full mate desktop working on FreeBSD 12 both i386 and amd64 with more than 1600 packages compiled and working just edir the /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to look like: ================================ DISTBSD: { url: ftp://177.189.222.85/FreeBSD/${ABI} enabled: yes } ================================ create user (not root) and password... than.... pkg install -y mate-extras.... the system will install about 1.5 GB of a full mate desktop... reboot the machine. Will come with a gdm-1.21 display... the first login, the system will create the desktop and will logout the next login, you will be in the Mate desktop 1.20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 3 18:29:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E045132ED99 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com (mail-qk1-x730.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03F128E0DC for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id 131so7971131qkd.4 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 10:29:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 18:29:23 -0000 If you are interest, I have a full mate desktop working on FreeBSD 12 both i386 and amd64 with more than 1600 packages compiled and working just edir the /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to look like:================================DISTBSD: { url: ftp://177.189.222.85/FreeBSD/${ABI} enabled: yes}================================create user (not root) and password...than.... pkg install -y mate-extras....the system will install about 1.5 GB of a full mate desktop...reboot the machine. Will come with a gdm-1.21 display... the first login, the system will create the desktop and will logoutthe next login, you will be in the Mate desktop 1.20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 3 18:51:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B48132F43C for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x936.google.com (mail-ua1-x936.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::936]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BDD58EBED for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x936.google.com with SMTP id d2so4824197ual.2 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 10:51:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=oF280tKRyvfcGXh6NiZJSbYcqdSqIeFYa8Dx3j7NG3k=; b=kFXZQJO3jr4/B6sXIk9hjCcBjc4cMdYxvYsBj/NnhpUbm59eN4MJ7Q02fU6BQeyUPz Ue1cF/1Ov/pkfVF/NlJyZUaBAan8CNyMEdHCr/TX+1t1xvlnzITvcwgwg5f8pU86bmvg XA77SPoXlvphDnYrX+OtWvt0lhHpfSX2Pvr6Mme8WNewiHPbJfq8THAQCWtd8s5NxbBW 9r0aOApieNbeYJ9ELk6KPeTH4mTzEDL1Q3217uN61LkELJhLpbxE7o31L87MfTb8DLJg HRfKvobu5fKi7aLIpQVZAmsI5KCzF5GK9d04JbX25nYqXIplZbENd1bLs5Snqf2NBThC Ix3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oF280tKRyvfcGXh6NiZJSbYcqdSqIeFYa8Dx3j7NG3k=; b=RqJaYNq6TXPp/aHPLX14SqpGu8iqFgy4J9fMOTkwhYxexwkr/3WlrW8fosLyqCoMS2 QvN6ef5Z6TrX0xJ7E0akdqFOeS5uJxFYzqGAACGuEv5g2bfaDxZ75ynYeJ9kTPEQZRIw zjfzNPyWG82U6tKb4U70hXlJgNaOuTZexr8MXgH2yvQKM8Bw1DwJLrrXwfTxzZBSzQI8 5Kb1XEqn0IHfb44lfxQu5nNrgPYAz1J0suSBlQfLKwFZm00GkI/OD51aLwxY5qVxJEqz F1vNi+ZQ1C6qtNaawGIefNp99NgbiDXkesItZ7XNEyKRjUsxQN3+OPBZOnZ++5RonE0Q 4s4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWa55Mt2KERvNRFYPEBq8keYDTgHXJG536Be74JaFHavr5ZEdBXd AjvIe6FM0m6+Lx7gUSW+TCNSsESSQrC2a9MoS3Ju9ZUj X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/WgihV+Be/14QfUkEedIwAwNMYeGzqPccTxrBs4lWP2TzeievM0JxEXsusNLXtdwl/wJO6UXxxvh98NofSPN+s= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:3b7:: with SMTP id 52mr7899746uau.38.1543863114264; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 10:51:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:57da:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 10:51:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20181203184153.b37810d9.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> <20181203184153.b37810d9.freebsd@edvax.de> From: B J Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:51:53 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2BDD58EBED X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.9.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.953,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.61)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.65), asn: 15169(-1.29), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 18:51:56 -0000 On 12/3/18, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 02:42:19 +0000, B J wrote: >> I just installed Xcfe and it appears to be running properly. It looks >> like I might have to consider looking at replacing that machine with >> something newer. > > For better diagnostics, use the following entry in ~/.xinitrc: > > exec xterm > > Then use "startx", and run "mate-session" from within the > terminal. You should be able to see _why_ MATE isn't starting > properly, while Xfce does. Thanks for the tip. I might try it in after I return from working on my father's house. > > AS I said in a previous message, the age of the system probably > is not the reason for MATE not working. Maybe something has > changed in its configuration, so maybe renaming MATE's settings > subtree to .old and starting with no configuration at all will > work. Incompatibility of older settings sometimes leads to > software not starting after an upgrade (e. g., CUPS). So this > is something you could try. My original installation was FreeBSD 10.x. i suspect that a few things changed in subsequent versions so a brand-new installation might have incompatibilities. Meanwhile, I'm running my machine off the backup HD. BMJ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 3 18:57:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04977132F6B7 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:57:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2FED8F298 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:57:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com with SMTP id p74so8215427vsc.0 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 10:57:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RKA7jPtElgMEbLf4klGmTtvVZVIERsM1Ran27KDeQ64=; b=FO55Vnq1YHVR1ZTYCAI14uiDmcC5x3mUCYHioE6brGrAhWck9q/W21HrjC8cKuhajc 5ESS+VFCEbtFBEWrxjdT2Qyl5+5EASWKtYfR0YJFdpLTDMbbYoZ+nDSi5e86Tr/W/DUk 2mXYiNrkj+6O+Yka3ba9ilniQfVtPDFthFQQU2w94dJ6eVLycGPw7+5pb7SjgMeP2KMD GFTBh/5EKbmhP3cRTIn0B4UVEt5R+RlJFEpka5cc31MxCb1uYsxAqST9EXZlkA8HMyho wn9walCt/Un5pMQA8jIBM7CipAMXTm+UHLIMst5Rcwe6gvQAJCRhATz7XEyz4+vLd1qs azBw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RKA7jPtElgMEbLf4klGmTtvVZVIERsM1Ran27KDeQ64=; b=Jmaw6h5Ws/sr8r6k/q1143Tv3xzvGDwBEiy/WC3HS3EqymEtOR+kkdHubuZpkdeF21 QadLMjHtaYeIx70TDl1kzenloakAMX7cWD8Oyu7b5agsSdpRy29RHzOZXlR5UvFe2hbD ska4nEuA/m8Rj5zP32s0gleeZYZMxD/HaM0gmIQzz9Tb6zQQXQce1ejpLSOpkcdbafyX CuNGIIKuLgx4S5uaKXjBtGeS5ROuX0kSkOgv754mEJKc5V5rvNF+KykaEtRr3KzRX4cd tCwrEJxo0jEs5kUN8cvjnLEKpJqIYf91wzx9gZDLhRxkBBzlvCADbiOZtOZIAae0lTZf 8vzg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWaCZAiZmHmiUfYC2a5qoDgirdIF/G8madYcKcEmH1Hg5UfppCKS Wy3C7bMuvRYpUrvX1QyoBFtBRjm32ZAHx+IllmrkToWh X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XuTahsFwKOazXzqu2EuSjSzL0B9Z8l1eB5c70Dv5nrW+3GXBNLe+fG9uY6+tS0AzD0PM1maoYIt3xPR3fhhUA= X-Received: by 2002:a67:1803:: with SMTP id 3mr7388140vsy.172.1543863438096; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 10:57:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:57da:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 10:57:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4c6a754c89c1e8516d7dccbe7e13c05380639886.camel@gmail.com> References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> <20181203182830.d5d026ff.freebsd@edvax.de> <4c6a754c89c1e8516d7dccbe7e13c05380639886.camel@gmail.com> From: B J Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:57:17 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: nervoso@k1.com.br Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C2FED8F298 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.55 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[f.2.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.938,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.61)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.65), asn: 15169(-1.29), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 18:57:20 -0000 On 12/3/18, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > If you are interest, I have a full mate desktop working on FreeBSD 12 > both i386 and amd64 with more than 1600 packages compiled and working > just edir the /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to look > like:================================DISTBSD: { url: > ftp://177.189.222.85/FreeBSD/${ABI} enabled: > yes}================================create user (not root) and > password...than.... pkg install -y mate-extras....the system will > install about 1.5 GB of a full mate desktop...reboot the machine. Will > come with a gdm-1.21 display... the first login, the system will create > the desktop and will logoutthe next login, you will be in the Mate > desktop 1.20 Thanks for the tips. I might give your suggestions a try. The original installation was FreeBSD 10.x along with the corresponding version of Mate. I updated everything periodically and there didn't seem to be any problems. A fresh installation from scratch, however, might have incompatibilities. Meanwhile, I'm running my machine using the backup system on the other HD. B. M. Jatzeck From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 3 21:55:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CD3130CA22 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4806A70D93 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 0B0B8130CA21; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF82130CA20 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 21:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mail.bsd4all.net (mail.bsd4all.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:191:217b::25]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.bsd4all.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2303C70D92 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 21:55:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 22:55:46 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gojira.at; s=mail201809; t=1543874146; bh=25PL2lG/qOLP0OCUvVeLyMKBVW8JfoE+LXYzQVsRW9U=; h=Date:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ril73FtLWhRd/wZRbRcvac2q3AlBuQ1nNQ09sB/OBOX+fXX8yOYM7+Mwpd98HzBzv /IKwwU9RvzAZnwDRzc/YEjfvjG1Ws761qbfZo8x2OV8xHH38YgbzmKy0zuBBc18HA9 rbBykPXCep+vI9mjIKmsfyshur1oqXyYsr3lXP5J2tkINHCueKgpeyhaPL66Bxw5je oKX/ajipjDNjQJEdFNpiY7amDJK71HGHizQTB3kvIciP9DBQ+wpspDoWZ80ASuHqck L1fhuU0ZJVivNycSsMWzjfdhdXqsBmeh32w/C7G8L5R5LhcTK3kynEx5Atq3Af+CyS RED4jXBVr9ytw== Message-ID: <87mupmmg0t.wl-herbert@gojira.at> From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cannot update to 12.0RC3 In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/27.0 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4806A70D93 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.28 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(0.00)[-all]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gojira.at]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_FORWARDING(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FORWARDED(0.00)[questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gojira.at]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gojira.at:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[5.0.0.0.0.5.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.a.6.0.2.4.5.2.2.0.0.9.1.1.0.0.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.9.2]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.bsd4all.net]; SPF_FAIL_FORWARDING(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-3.58)[ip: (-9.87), ipnet: 2001:1900:2254::/48(-4.59), asn: 10310(-3.35), country: US(-0.09)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.79)[-0.790,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:10310, ipnet:2001:1900:2254::/48, country:US]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org,freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 21:55:51 -0000 On Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:12:20 +0100, Antonio Olivares wrote: > > Dear folks, > > I cannot update to 12.0RC3 from 12.0RC2 :( > > root@quadcore:~ # freebsd-update upgrade -r 12.0RC3 ^^^^^^^ Obviously a typo! According to the announcement you have to run: # freebsd-update upgrade -r 12.0-RC3 But I am tracking only stable/12 and current... -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 3 22:10:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4E4130D1DA for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 22:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7A23719C3 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 22:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A2132842 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:10:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BfzSLkWkclUg for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD9A732839 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:10:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:10:19 -0500 Message-ID: <4c729c3af0c550644f1e3b32cbd7f2f9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:10:19 -0500 Subject: clang FreeBSD question From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B7A23719C3 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.45 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx32.harte-lyne.ca,mx31.harte-lyne.ca,mx132.harte-lyne.ca]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.72)[-0.725,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: CA(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.995,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 22:10:43 -0000 I am hacking an old terminal emulator program originally written for something other than FreeBSD. Ihave encountered this error: cc -I../ -I../BSDI -I/usr/include -I/usr/local/include -DSHOW_DC1_COUNT=0 -DDEBUG_BREAK=0 -DIGNORE_KEYBOARD_LOCK=1 -DIGNORE_USER_SYSTEM_LOCK=1 -DDEBUG_BLOCK_MODE=0 -DMEMLOCK_2000 -c tty.c tty.c:179:28: error: use of undeclared identifier 'CBAUD' curr_termio.c_cflag &= ~(CBAUD); The code in question looks like this: #ifdef _POSIX_SOURCE if (cfsetispeed((PTERMIO)&curr_termio, speed) == -1) { printf ("Error %d from cfsetispeed(%s)\n", errno, deviceinfo); show_tty_error ("cfsetispeed()", errno); return(-1); } if (cfsetospeed((PTERMIO)&curr_termio, speed) == -1) { printf ("Error %d from cfsetospeed(%s)\n", errno, deviceinfo); show_tty_error ("cfsetospeed()", errno); return(-1); } #else curr_termio.c_cflag &= ~(CBAUD); curr_termio.c_cflag |= speed; I can guess that FreeBSD is not a POSIX compliant OS, or at least does not declar itself so in the manner the programmer expected. However, the only other references to CBAUD that I can find on this system is: /usr/local/include/gphoto2/gphoto2-port-portability.h:99:# define CBAUD 0x0000100f /usr/local/include/gphoto2/gphoto2-port-portability.h:129:# define CBAUDEX 0x00001000 Soooo. The question is: Do I just define CBAUD by copy and paste into a header file and add that to the complier includes? Or is their a more informed and elegant answer to my problem? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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It looks like the _POSIX_SRC macro is obsolete, but you might try defining it. https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=feature_test_macros&manpath=SuSE+Linux/i386+11.3 James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions(freebsd-questions@freebsd.org)@2018.12.03 17:10:19 -0500: > I am hacking an old terminal emulator program originally written for > something other than FreeBSD. Ihave encountered this error: > > cc -I../ -I../BSDI -I/usr/include -I/usr/local/include > -DSHOW_DC1_COUNT=0 -DDEBUG_BREAK=0 -DIGNORE_KEYBOARD_LOCK=1 > -DIGNORE_USER_SYSTEM_LOCK=1 -DDEBUG_BLOCK_MODE=0 -DMEMLOCK_2000 -c > tty.c > tty.c:179:28: error: use of undeclared identifier 'CBAUD' > curr_termio.c_cflag &= ~(CBAUD); > > > The code in question looks like this: > > #ifdef _POSIX_SOURCE > if (cfsetispeed((PTERMIO)&curr_termio, speed) == -1) > { > printf ("Error %d from cfsetispeed(%s)\n", errno, deviceinfo); > show_tty_error ("cfsetispeed()", errno); > return(-1); > } > if (cfsetospeed((PTERMIO)&curr_termio, speed) == -1) > { > printf ("Error %d from cfsetospeed(%s)\n", errno, deviceinfo); > show_tty_error ("cfsetospeed()", errno); > return(-1); > } > #else > curr_termio.c_cflag &= ~(CBAUD); > curr_termio.c_cflag |= speed; > > I can guess that FreeBSD is not a POSIX compliant OS, or at least does > not declar itself so in the manner the programmer expected. However, > the only other references to CBAUD that I can find on this system is: > > /usr/local/include/gphoto2/gphoto2-port-portability.h:99:# define > CBAUD 0x0000100f > /usr/local/include/gphoto2/gphoto2-port-portability.h:129:# define > CBAUDEX 0x00001000 > > Soooo. The question is: Do I just define CBAUD by copy and paste into > a header file and add that to the complier includes? Or is their a > more informed and elegant answer to my problem? > > > > -- > *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** > Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail > Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail > > James B. 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Skuhra wrote: > On Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:12:20 +0100, > Antonio Olivares wrote: >> >> Dear folks, >> >> I cannot update to 12.0RC3 from 12.0RC2 :( >> >> root@quadcore:~ # freebsd-update upgrade -r 12.0RC3 > ^^^^^^^ > > Obviously a typo! According to the announcement you have to run: > > # freebsd-update upgrade -r 12.0-RC3 > > But I am tracking only stable/12 and current... > Yes! I needed the "-" ; all is well and we are using RC3 :) Best Regards, Antonio > -- > Herbert > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 02:25:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1AF1319C10 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 02:25:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe31.google.com (mail-vs1-xe31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3DFE7DF55 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 02:25:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe31.google.com with SMTP id v205so8882032vsc.3 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 18:25:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5WsCWB6P4dn25HvS8Iq+OFP9nVgxS5Ro4Fyrx1gnJP4=; b=o+BuL4oxIolMEXB6q6qZnavWj+/GOr8ghV2QPHJq4/nFDGIpAIy88cdHTAluJdChCr D8G7RH4DdNxoCWXhs5BgMXWaYKDAA3UaA/mA+2quGK6LDrbigep1Ia79B6mZJjJJIvda YIvpVARo3VyeTeWCytHfS4ntKp8OFipKFVVlGZmUnF/OOLRF8jGiCQNTEmsCZAckGyT8 W8M2ADFk0gKKsLD3d0L/ZGf0bk55iodFkjJq7eISyoJ9TTZuUAVnfFTZjWqmLP5gutwy woNW44ZlOOSaZJYBhW1BX9+o78w9SFCpZJW7ECWKPjC/8U98WlCL12wQw+FRGmH5XSht phMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5WsCWB6P4dn25HvS8Iq+OFP9nVgxS5Ro4Fyrx1gnJP4=; b=Jh7Xet5OAkBWTs2TqcVrYByaXxnbzlVq1IxmFfX9oKAAMggRjKLS2K0wKwQQajjLLy 6zkrmxW2FTPy+ESbpo/0PRXlDAZDyVJ+fKf6AmA/leysfU3rxTxquD8fX88odDzZGVQ5 eOSOoV5od3QCsOBwv34430u5u4rKfWWBq+OP8rKoUi9ZF1HJG8kaTdLUqNA5faKPo0mW 8PLNLtEhanP901zNHd0QCnylHwLj1IGPKhfGZdFbDl9K+gjTHpwq4iVpiSf8IzF78F7H iV/s+p0pCiuNnjQZ1h52jV/QyzshFsp7yQhYlcbwzDZJLOtXnZYp1XTJKPWb6xMcZgf+ BUOw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYG9EnyiwU4O9fef4p6nnaFrBphQWTMQAvKa6UkxE4M5Gs+Gzzj hLo7jjfH0u3jHxJ2DihXDdDGGB7Rf/KGpmnsz6s4GQ5O X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/W2+DfWnUY8AH9IXUpIlBXvCgjhumufsrVuoVpY1HeqnTnxGCCReOSehaZKM9ZAe3Vm+Nfp9TFbBWacKDrUGno= X-Received: by 2002:a67:1803:: with SMTP id 3mr8016982vsy.172.1543890348945; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 18:25:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:57da:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:25:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20181203184153.b37810d9.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> <20181203184153.b37810d9.freebsd@edvax.de> From: B J Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 02:25:47 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B3DFE7DF55 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.22 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.63)[-0.629,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.54), asn: 15169(-1.27), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 02:25:50 -0000 > For better diagnostics, use the following entry in ~/.xinitrc: > > exec xterm > > Then use "startx", and run "mate-session" from within the > terminal. You should be able to see _why_ MATE isn't starting > properly, while Xfce does. > > AS I said in a previous message, the age of the system probably > is not the reason for MATE not working. Maybe something has > changed in its configuration, so maybe renaming MATE's settings > subtree to .old and starting with no configuration at all will > work. Incompatibility of older settings sometimes leads to > software not starting after an upgrade (e. g., CUPS). So this > is something you could try. I re-installed Mate and modified the installation as you suggested. After running "startx", followed by "mate-session" in the terminal, I got a number of messages, including the following: mate-session[844]: WARNING: Unable to determine session: Unable to lookup session information for process '844' mate-session[844]: WARNING: Unable to find provider ' ' of required component 'dock' ** (mate-settings-daemon:862): WARNING**: : There was a problem when setting QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0: GDBus.Error:org.gnome.SessionManager.NotInInitialization: Setenv interface is only available during the Initialization phase ** (mate-settings-daemon:862): WARNING**: : There was a problem when setting QT_SCALE_FACTOR=0: GDBus.Error:org.gnome.SessionManager.NotInInitialization: Setenv interface is only available during the Initialization phase This libgtop was compiled on FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p5 amd64 If you see strange problems caused by it, you should recompile libgtop and dependent applications. [15433888288,000,xklavier.c:xkl_engine_start_listen/] The backend does not require manual layout management - but it is provided by the application Initializing caja-image-convertor extension Initializing caja-open-terminal extension Initializing caja-xattr-tags extension ** Message:: Initializing gksu extension.... (polkit-mate-authentication-agent-1:883): polkit-mate-1-WARNING**: : Unable to determine the session we are in: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.Error.General: Unable to lookup session information for process '883' Then there were some messages regarding the location of GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL and SSH_AUTH_SOCK, followed by: Connection failure: Connection refused pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused The Mate desktop starts with its default configuration except that the size was for a larger monitor display. I was able to start Mate Terminal, but it was sluggish moving the window. I was able to restart my machine twice from Mate, so that function appears to work. So, what does this all mean and would it be possible to salvage the installation? Thank you. B. M. 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You just need a > > loader that is able to handle what ever is there as a BIOS > > replacement. > > > > All will be plain FreeBSD after the loader took over. > > Yes, I have FreeBSD also on iMac and I am using rEFIt boot manager but > I didn't figured out how can I do this. just put the disk into an USB case, connect it to the iMAC. Create the same partition schema using gpart. I install then the operating system from sources on the USB drive, edit the configuration file and off it goes. I do not know the differences your machines have compared to normal PCs. 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Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:23:54 +0700 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 12:23:48 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Back again on Ryzen stability Message-ID: <20181204122348.131f9471.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> In-Reply-To: <42a7a149-fa6b-390f-eb13-e10b437baaf7@netfence.it> References: <42a7a149-fa6b-390f-eb13-e10b437baaf7@netfence.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AuthUser: freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com X-Originating-IP: 153.92.8.106 X-Spampanel-Domain: out.niagahoster.com X-Spampanel-Username: niaga Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=niaga@out.niagahoster.com X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Class: unsure X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.49) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5vuyJzCCRhQ4kbK/C3mhnHx602E9L7XzfQH6nu9C/Fh9KJzpNe6xgvOx q3u0UDjvOzT1htska1XLMHDUHwQCsIWc+oM7PKIIHvZocxcrlNitTq9l0Jsl51Hq5dP/jf8b0i0q H/RI+UppDmZcjEC5USgy/70rwEawJmuC3aJ7CPdQIeebqmNzITIBQB6uQcT8T1Wvx4/5aan/L8AH YrKyAYOyeDfSvAAgFiu6PVLmmmdDUD4ky7BX1UzjonqURLTnaaPKQfprwj27pubAtp000neaxE2K I0lq7IFKOhhgOU6nUtyfJ9Eac1Rr3XLB7rdLunbwQEeqdiLXJYHgJzfhaOlEDBffVZVjmVaNbG4Z JG7FYTGAEpH4i5yCagzIeXQ1Z7wz2MpogAD7xcut2fULfiLavr9ZeziRMVMQY2DtQVwLwIKgmomx /w0lkMMz3v1CUeWBOXp8nHKe0R+FkIqN7hkzc8fJy+zvdR6g6rtfYMVqVgW9/bktU41htiJ8fk7N kFpKIxrnUNn8Kw10IXx0Njyu51a4mYCGb5aYUpZ7NJBeD4fqhrECogqRhA8Tj9ph+eFU36bcyLTN aJZ7AL/L3a384miVZmLDvAs3oKOk0G6UnAAn556E0sP0A1Vw6aHeyWCoaK1DfNz3lc/85MS8B5zX Za0nmqIus9GBp6NfA35fhD7GKQQAGd7Ym7NdbdquQxEVniihuDwEGDcmr6e3OPTOQVmE1uvqvwST Yw32E7zz+C9PxJ/x3HxNOWw9t1RKifMNNiJefizFv5+sArPLFQzpmVtr4BCj52fedurfYVEZzooD LQvVfHt3FfzXddeeG1DNDfpgrw7DSypaffSzbrKc0TwPIBJnngHP89wHBJTrkfRDeLo8wUS8kbxF Q3ZSuDAtEa6Ixrv0z6eOzX90h32Z3JKVmi72ocgY5kMQSjs7uFUPWol/xdsIK3LB5jvpLTtsrchF HvVdXIURgwqv18r457UoscCHHMslsK449Xv9 X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine1.antispamcloud.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 671A384B21 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.18 / 15.00]; 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Right? > Can I go ahead safely? > > Will I need 12.0 or can 11.2 just run fine on this hardware? > it seems that we are on the same train. I will go with 12. The comments here show that Ryzen runs stable now but 12 has some minor problems hopefully becoming fixed before the final release. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 07:35:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13006132725A for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 07:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02A4B6AD3B for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 07:35:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wB47YjvL018684 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:34:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Back again on Ryzen stability To: Erich Dollansky Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <42a7a149-fa6b-390f-eb13-e10b437baaf7@netfence.it> <20181204122348.131f9471.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <3cef02cc-fc6a-4570-c374-6f8c8ee3d192@netfence.it> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:34:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181204122348.131f9471.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 02A4B6AD3B X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.78 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.956,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.22)[0.216,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.945,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.02)[country: IT(0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 07:35:04 -0000 On 12/4/18 5:23 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > it seems that we are on the same train. I will go with 12. > > The comments here show that Ryzen runs stable now but 12 has some minor > problems hopefully becoming fixed before the final release. Thanks for your answer. The only problems I remember reading about were about reading thermal data... something I'd gladly have, but can live without. Is there something else? Do you have any link about this? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 08:31:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19147132903E for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25EF76CDB9 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id U4LDgJK4fsismU4LGg0Bfs; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 06:38:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 00:37:55 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Files in / Message-ID: <66B63BE11669F00AA754FE87@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfLxwGBEkMssus8pVYOxGZL9nQdzw3co432h6Q89gNIAsrm2sXjuLo4kjJg82Fvwq4mITPziz/CkBT4Y258k6gPQGTFgRoeDTxwjOCJDLprPLfACkpgDD RlnObVXURbaC0thy8loq1vXe+9iDoqqc8TEsNv4S1FoB4p+xE2txud/4mWufcVHe7cecWkegxuqM/w== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 25EF76CDB9 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.84 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.56)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-1.51), asn: 7843(-1.21), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com,dnvrco-cmedge02.email.rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[230.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 08:31:52 -0000 When I use df -h, I get this: /dev/da0s1a 989M 627M 283M 69% / When I use du -h /root, I get this: # du -h /root 4.0K /root/.ssh 2.0K /root/.subversion/auth/svn.simple 2.0K /root/.subversion/auth/svn.username 2.0K /root/.subversion/auth/svn.ssl.server 2.0K /root/.subversion/auth/svn.ssl.client-passphrase 10K /root/.subversion/auth 34K /root/.subversion 4.0K /root/.links 72K /root/.fop 2.0K /root/jwplayer 10K /root/.linkchecker 48K /root/.java/fonts/1.7.0_80 48K /root/.java/fonts/1.7.0_95 48K /root/.java/fonts/1.7.0_111 48K /root/.java/fonts/1.7.0_141 94K /root/.java/fonts/1.7.0_151 288K /root/.java/fonts 290K /root/.java 1.0M /root When I use ls -lsah /root, I get a completely different list of files. But neither of these utilities show 627M used in root. Why can't I see what's using all this space in root? Am I using the wrong utilities to view the files? Is it something else? Paul Schmehl, Retired ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." 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HTH Michael On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 9:32 AM Paul Schmehl wrote: > When I use df -h, I get this: > > /dev/da0s1a 989M 627M 283M 69% / > > When I use du -h /root, I get this: > > # du -h /root > 4.0K /root/.ssh > 2.0K /root/.subversion/auth/svn.simple > 2.0K /root/.subversion/auth/svn.username > 2.0K /root/.subversion/auth/svn.ssl.server > 2.0K /root/.subversion/auth/svn.ssl.client-passphrase > 10K /root/.subversion/auth > 34K /root/.subversion > 4.0K /root/.links > 72K /root/.fop > 2.0K /root/jwplayer > 10K /root/.linkchecker > 48K /root/.java/fonts/1.7.0_80 > 48K /root/.java/fonts/1.7.0_95 > 48K /root/.java/fonts/1.7.0_111 > 48K /root/.java/fonts/1.7.0_141 > 94K /root/.java/fonts/1.7.0_151 > 288K /root/.java/fonts > 290K /root/.java > 1.0M /root > > When I use ls -lsah /root, I get a completely different list of files. > > But neither of these utilities show 627M used in root. Why can't I see > what's using all this space in root? Am I using the wrong utilities to > view > the files? Is it something else? > > Paul Schmehl, Retired > ******************************************* > "It is as useless to argue with those who have > renounced the use of reason as to administer > medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson > "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very > intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 10:09:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB34C132E03C for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Norman.Gray@glasgow.ac.uk) Received: from plockton.cent.gla.ac.uk (plockton.cent.gla.ac.uk [130.209.16.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CC757152A for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:09:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Norman.Gray@glasgow.ac.uk) Received: from cas07.campus.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.14.164]) by plockton.cent.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1gU7dx-0003iu-VH; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 10:09:29 +0000 Received: from [130.209.45.140] (130.209.45.140) by cas07.campus.gla.ac.uk (130.209.14.164) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:09:28 +0000 From: Norman Gray To: Paul Schmehl CC: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Files in / Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:09:27 +0000 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.12.2r5568) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <66B63BE11669F00AA754FE87@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> References: <66B63BE11669F00AA754FE87@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [130.209.45.140] X-ClientProxiedBy: cas07.campus.gla.ac.uk (130.209.14.164) To cas07.campus.gla.ac.uk (130.209.14.164) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2CC757152A X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.73 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.984,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[glasgow.ac.uk]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[75.16.209.130.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.11.2]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[palin.cent.gla.ac.uk]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.924,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:786, ipnet:130.209.0.0/16, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.53)[asn: 786(-2.53), country: GB(-0.10)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 10:09:49 -0000 Paul, hello. On 4 Dec 2018, at 6:37, Paul Schmehl wrote: > When I use ls -lsah /root, I get a completely different list of files. > > But neither of these utilities show 627M used in root. Why can't I see > what's using all this space in root? Am I using the wrong utilities to > view the files? Is it something else? The confusion may arise from an incomplete understanding of the term 'the root filesystem'. That term refers to the filesystem starting at '/' (or, more precisely, the on-disk structure which is mounted at the root directory '/'). That's distinct from '/root', which is merely a directory which is the home directory of the user called 'root', which lives under '/'. There's no real connection between these two uses of the word 'root', but now you come to mention it, I can see where confusion is possible. As Michael says, there's other stuff in the root directory '/': % ls -F / COPYRIGHT etc/ mnt/ root/ var/ bin/ home/ net/ sbin/ zroot/ boot/ lib/ pool/ sys@ dev/ libexec/ proc/ tmp/ entropy media/ rescue/ usr/ There is more detail in , and the 'Disk Organization' chapter it links to. Best wishes, Norman -- Norman Gray : https://nxg.me.uk SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 11:22:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC06132FEC3 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:22:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from out3-6.antispamcloud.com (out3-6.antispamcloud.com [185.201.18.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8153E73E87 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:22:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com) by mx3.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gU8ma-0006Yx-Tf; 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Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:21:40 +0700 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 19:21:29 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Back again on Ryzen stability Message-ID: <20181204192129.622c8779.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> In-Reply-To: <3cef02cc-fc6a-4570-c374-6f8c8ee3d192@netfence.it> References: <42a7a149-fa6b-390f-eb13-e10b437baaf7@netfence.it> <20181204122348.131f9471.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <3cef02cc-fc6a-4570-c374-6f8c8ee3d192@netfence.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AuthUser: freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com X-Originating-IP: 153.92.8.106 X-Spampanel-Domain: out.niagahoster.com X-Spampanel-Username: niaga Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=niaga@out.niagahoster.com X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Class: unsure X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.25) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5sX6v8TS2rXe/ZOdU7rFRn1602E9L7XzfQH6nu9C/Fh9KJzpNe6xgvOx q3u0UDjvOzT1htska1XLMHDUHwQCsIWc+oM7PKIIHvZocxcrlNitTq9l0Jsl51Hq5dP/jf8b0i0q H/RI+UppDmZcjEC5USj0LUoN3YrQl4cTECgHpz0WIeebqmNzITIBQB6uQcT8T1Wvx4/5aan/L8AH YrKyAYNSJj20FahqhrE/t3hipFkX5uYqVWquzFCUHdsOsi1PW6kmJPFY+VM/wlhIO00DDSg+sHGq eBQy6IcAb/EojoFYZIjVWxDyd5u7f4gXFAUz9QMNwzSRr9TIm+vd5LtfSQMNa8sh5qcKvYnsSa35 QuNHhjafHVzEfcdT491Irv2UbGXAIiogVL+YUN3AHI/3G+Q1RlV/R1pLTTPLeIicvy1Fslxrjw/V tALwslThTl/d0owbpOW17ApxjWPuUT4PIeNvYsoVWfJQMWPgywVDFKI1acFl6RPrHYzZp11o4jWi 8yCv9TR+UxzLZWL8hwGBjhoasMDreZp0okvE9UFUZnXjVGTnXQrPrIQvlPic5TrY/ZqC89elybxy HCsD4LNuOSE1mayVvkFYfsf4AWHAIw/q/JWfE1T0yQ5Dl7+MLZTlqk/lgQ9jEt0PfUqbiQVsZ/iM ml7oFNGECLLqAM/ki+1E4IyYfBmwY4T5uYhwH6E+IqsD4hu+0ZQdaKpc7DeyiORkFgQMH4FrHd+F r1egcVBizFXOhQVOweRYv9VmiY0oqjemCZ8mHIXeFq6TidDPg/xwx6yYunKs/aLbxHg2xFKie7gH z4kLk8bsjt4sILq1mKD5E+lk/0B7Raw94p/DAkX+0BWXgkXg4qhoZcXVnyJVtSYpAzlNgP3EePTy VY7ZejaQ8CJArICp4ivfOfRAWdZWBb39uS1TjWG2Inx+Ts2Qc41iJg52m+VTJo4VLpieMapKSERH AY/JRbzJ7fQsJKjtgyvNVv/9r9yXO6SB3D/R X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine1.antispamcloud.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8153E73E87 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; MX_INVALID(0.50)[greylisted]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+a:submission.antispamcloud.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sumeritec.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[37.122.1.182.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.55)[asn: 30083(2.82), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30083, ipnet:185.201.18.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(3.00)[37.122.1.182.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.4]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[sumeritec.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.96)[0.961,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sumeritec.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.994,0]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.996,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.18.201.185.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:22:50 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:34:45 +0100 Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 12/4/18 5:23 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > it seems that we are on the same train. I will go with 12. > > > > The comments here show that Ryzen runs stable now but 12 has some > > minor problems hopefully becoming fixed before the final release. > > Thanks for your answer. > > The only problems I remember reading about were about reading thermal > data... something I'd gladly have, but can live without. > > Is there something else? > Do you have any link about this? I just followed this mailing list and read some random articles. There seem to be no real stability problems which cannot be explained by other things like faulty motherboards etc. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 11:40:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BDC1330757; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:40:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from potato.growveg.org (potato.growveg.org [82.70.91.100]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BA8474887; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:40:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from parsley.growveg.org ([82.70.91.97] helo=desktop.local) by potato.growveg.org with esmtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gU93R-000Fep-Tn; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:39:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:39:51 +0000 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: using wifi usbkey and ethernet on rpi3-b Message-ID: <20181204113951.3e6e38f4@desktop.local> Organization: zyxst.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.1 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0BA8474887 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.23 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.897,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NEUTRAL(0.00)[?all]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[zyxst.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: GB(-0.10)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.45)[-0.451,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.75)[-0.752,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:82.68.0.0/14, country:GB] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:40:10 -0000 Hi, context: freebsd-12-rc3, raspberry pi3-b, external usb-connected hd, 2.5A PSU Has anyone tried using a wifi interface (usb key format) and ethernet at the same time? There is also a usb connected hard drive. I was wondering if the wifi might interrupt the ethernet or the hard drive. Aren't they all the same interface electronically? ie the usb/ethernet is more like a usb bus. (originally asked in freebsd-arm but it's very quiet there) thanks, -- J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 14:00:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BE2130D283 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E76C779B2E for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1543930819; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=hXjWeIAkTveHeFuT4zK1A0ZYeJc=; b=H3uhqEbBKodcLhRCyKt+77z0WkWCaU+0oz6yLMdB2hw/NYNJEwhRYeFI8mUJ4vDq VuN3UeMzW6pXaqi12bkc6DVLAbGdQYqTxcCNEfGnNyjq8qEtTdztcK38ueju8ZkJ 8hzas8g9HkWCuphe3wZJDcLrA9PGGWnhxgCLEtaZBvh9LGyl4YCc954W45JliP/V YzzNe5CaEroA2RDkBMAdOXpm/svBQ71OxWYBKYIEJhPQY2me05jxsYnhxD3sa9V8 vP3R952yQF5Uh8AdoO0GnDpgcb8GE/QcdzPgd/UuaWtFlME4Y8m/VqG4NdxdAO2u l1+Y3Gw/rmX/TqdAeVXZbQ==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=FLJZ/Kgs c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=2ur7OfE09M0A:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=X3GaoB0IPKpn9Zzat1oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=roberthuff; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:43980] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id DF/1C-01757-3C3860C5; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 08:40:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <23558.33730.773326.914041@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:40:18 -0500 From: Robert Huff To: Paul Schmehl CC: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Files in / In-Reply-To: References: <66B63BE11669F00AA754FE87@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 26.1 (amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E76C779B2E X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.83 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rcn.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:69.168.97.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rcn.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rcn.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx.rcn.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.83)[-0.828,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[78.97.168.69.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.90)[ipnet: 69.168.97.0/24(-3.61), asn: 36271(-0.78), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36271, ipnet:69.168.97.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 14:00:26 -0000 Norman Gray writes: And - if you're trying to track down what's gobbling disk space - try this, aimed at the suspect directory: du -k | sort -n -r | head -n 25 I run a variant of this overnight and mail myself the output; understand what should be there and it will be glaringly obvious when something's wrong. Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 14:30:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DA0130E3A2 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:30:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BC4F7B2F3 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:30:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E439F32F22; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:30:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GWTrqJDhuAal; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B867532F17; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:30:41 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:30:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly From: "James B. Byrne" To: "B J" Cc: "Polytropon" , "freebsd-questions" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0BC4F7B2F3 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.41 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx32.harte-lyne.ca]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: CA(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.31)[0.309,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 14:30:46 -0000 On Mon, December 3, 2018 21:25, B J wrote: > I re-installed Mate and modified the installation as you suggested. > After running "startx", followed by "mate-session" in the terminal, I > got a number of messages, including the following: For various reasons I have always desired to login to a console session before starting a GDM. On my FreeBSD-11.2p4 desktop I have this in ~/.xinitrc, which seems to work for me: ck-launch-session mate-session -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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[70.52.183.242]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h140sm5802789itb.23.2018.12.04.07.32.45 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 04 Dec 2018 07:32:45 -0800 (PST) From: rob X-Google-Original-From: rob Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:32:43 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Configuring Monoprice UC-LOGIC TWA60 Graphics Tablet Message-ID: <20181204153243.GA25794@alto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.0 (2018-11-25) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 14D627E169 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.87 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-2.37)[ip: (-8.97), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.53), asn: 15169(-1.28), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.983,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 15:32:48 -0000 I have an older Monoprice UC-LOGIC TWA60 graphics tablet that i can't seem to get to work with FreeBSD. I have done a lot of searching for how to configure this tablet but haven't found any good information on how to achieve this. Is even possible for this tablet to work on FreeBSD? I know it works on linux. At the moment I am just looking for some helpful advice on where to start troubleshooting my issue with this device. My current version of Freebsd is as follows: FreeBSD alto 12.0-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 12.0-PRERELEASE r341166 GENERIC amd64 The relevant information I could find in the dmesg output pertaining to this graphics tablet is as follows: ugen0.3: at usbus0 ums0 on uhub2 ums0: on usbus0 ums0: 3 buttons and [Z] coordinates ID=7 ums0: 3 buttons and [XY] coordinates ID=8 If there is any assistance anyone can provide it would be really appreciated. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 17:36:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BD11313B42 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:36:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25DCF844EC for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MtwlO-1hM3j80UUG-00uFTa; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:36:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:36:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: B J Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly Message-Id: <20181204183621.9358c17e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> <20181203184153.b37810d9.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:HDcqGGJR9gEVwUmeBbgJda7tzybFp3in4oR3BHKzyv3CtJHXfvK uSarAfqhwFvWsspktD6Hsx5tI9Kh7oH6opr2QpasU4+h0SCC6vIdLaWRUkpe6Is17Iyz5RU YZGJfjck/acOIN3xzqHe+H+EBRoxt7jj4EUSeTQR7pAkK/0CP15krkDwU6uYmzG8NDgR+cD 7F8GCmdc7z8J7/afTaLTg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:dKKpUl9AiOE=:v/lOCw88a1Aqs686dPhu78 w2kRH4RRTcpPCDzh/1MHSZ58T658PrzL5Loj47S8QmvGm81C/nTZ3ThLAeJ6hRR0tsetOvwKp UG0FVMVqtWi94dKaPoC57rlZYm0R+bk4+Ie2+XmSPScW4VS8/bVsTMiJj1VrPFYSF29ESRFFn 8CuOYgv+nyKJ/14coKMOxnoRFxSPId6YjwQqYq2FPBNdv6Vu8HlsUfesPCm/1kwGJ9PH2DK+Z zkl1fuV1+Dwpnn7d2zIn5iPIMB+hQQnBfWqJKLdW1l5VKjPNbEnAslzz0Kk/SnKrjxkxySoJe QCSgdJisKDzxl9CrY37BsC3PcPIKmU4YPP2uM4hgTB0xQ5IR5RN2IK0XKB88UgXI7xViAJguC xwYifdCdMaGA1lS8q4CLxUvQQPWZS082EgxJn8RE5zItkmIWDFpoLhs7jc0o7Ur2WARIgiFQt azDTCX8SnR0SVJIGBdzR5PMLDhFxK1A3uhLQSg0+QRO6H+VKolSyi888tUlDCnUWIvQhlpdAd DFqLaUfD+4J88tHJktZadVOsObtoMSi++P6GK1LEkDdEmK6elfSx37jAmMUCBiof7Zhknuqc+ Kt3K9wdXFlVy9lvLpe3/rQJyo7V6Ke5OkLfsu2WsjQtiJYpVAi91sEHDBgzxm/E/UEt8YEI7k 8Skyg3iFJxVyZU5xYyQusnmj338Cdr+wUEg/HuDulFzeUYNvKUGYyJc2d+MZpyAjwU/+Y7g+9 WrN2t5neDwTA9p89ivJxUq6pZkHQ9fLjp61d39H63aPEtD4HKRo1IofmBxM= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 25DCF844EC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.44 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx00.schlund.de,mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.80)[-0.800,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(-0.10)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.51), asn: 8560(0.01), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.971,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.952,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 17:36:32 -0000 On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 02:25:47 +0000, B J wrote: > > > > For better diagnostics, use the following entry in ~/.xinitrc: > > > > exec xterm > > > > Then use "startx", and run "mate-session" from within the > > terminal. You should be able to see _why_ MATE isn't starting > > properly, while Xfce does. > > > > AS I said in a previous message, the age of the system probably > > is not the reason for MATE not working. Maybe something has > > changed in its configuration, so maybe renaming MATE's settings > > subtree to .old and starting with no configuration at all will > > work. Incompatibility of older settings sometimes leads to > > software not starting after an upgrade (e. g., CUPS). So this > > is something you could try. > > > > I re-installed Mate and modified the installation as you suggested. > After running "startx", followed by "mate-session" in the terminal, I > got a number of messages, including the following: > > mate-session[844]: WARNING: Unable to determine session: Unable to > lookup session information for process '844' > mate-session[844]: WARNING: Unable to find provider ' ' of required > component 'dock' > ** (mate-settings-daemon:862): WARNING**: : There was a > problem when setting QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0: > GDBus.Error:org.gnome.SessionManager.NotInInitialization: Setenv > interface is only available during the Initialization phase > ** (mate-settings-daemon:862): WARNING**: : There was a > problem when setting QT_SCALE_FACTOR=0: > GDBus.Error:org.gnome.SessionManager.NotInInitialization: Setenv > interface is only available during the Initialization phase > This libgtop was compiled on FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p5 amd64 > If you see strange problems caused by it, you should recompile libgtop > and dependent applications. > [15433888288,000,xklavier.c:xkl_engine_start_listen/] The backend > does not require manual layout management - but it is provided by the > application > Initializing caja-image-convertor extension > Initializing caja-open-terminal extension > Initializing caja-xattr-tags extension > > ** Message:: Initializing gksu extension.... > > (polkit-mate-authentication-agent-1:883): polkit-mate-1-WARNING**: > : Unable to determine the session we are in: > GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.Error.General: Unable > to lookup session information for process '883' Isn't that scary? All those messages are usually hidden. You can even get more shocked when you build from source, then you'll see tons of warnings... terrible attitude... Part of the error messages aren't even helpful, like the inability to "find provider ' '" - that's really great! It seems the times of usable and bloat-reduced software is long gone... :-/ > Then there were some messages regarding the location of > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL and SSH_AUTH_SOCK, followed by: > > Connection failure: Connection refused > pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused Check in /etc/rc.conf for the presence of the following settings, which I found from a reference MATE system (which uses slim instead of gdm, as Gnome was removed due to the Gnome 2 -> Gnome 3 trouble): hald_enable="YES" dbus_enable="YES" polkitd_enable="YES" volmand_enable="YES" slim_enable="YES" That last line refers to slim, a display manager (GUI login). Anyway, make sure HAL (deprecated), DBus (obsoleted), PolKit (nonsense) are actually installed on your system. Then check your ~/.xinitrc for those entries: dbus-launch exec ck-launch-session mate-session I have left out additional programs (xset, xbindkeys, xmodmap, > The Mate desktop starts with its default configuration except that the > size was for a larger monitor display. I was able to start Mate > Terminal, but it was sluggish moving the window. You can use xrandr interactively from a terminal to set the correct screen size. You can make the setting permanent by adding it to your ~/.xinitrc, for example: xrandr --fb 1400x1050 xrandr --size 1400x1050 There is also a Mate setting for this. If it doesn't work, use xorg.conf hard-coded values, for example /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/screen-resolution.conf: Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" SubSection "Display" Modes "1280x800" EndSubSection EndSection That isn't nice, but it works. ;-) > I was able to restart my machine twice from Mate, so that function > appears to work. There is some documentation regarding Gnome on how to deal with HAL, which scatters its stupid XML configuration across the /usr/local subtree. This documentation also seems to work with MATE. https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/ https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html Relevant files can be found in /usr/local/share/polkit-1/actions, they should already be installed by MATE. > So, what does this all mean and would it be possible to salvage the > installation? Yes. ;-) You are more or less fighting the narrow view of programmers who primarily develop for Linux. In order to get MATE working on FreeBSD, there is some work you need to do, messing with stupid XML files, running outdated system services that were abolished in Linux years ago... but yes, sure, it is of course possible to get MATE running on FreeBSD, as I refered to from an older reference system running MATE; I'm not sure I would be able to get a similar system installed and configured on a more recent FreeBSD version from scratch... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 17:41:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DA8131404A for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:41:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F57684D55 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:41:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MFsd7-1giCPU1fdn-00HOuJ; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:41:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:41:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: "B J" , "freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly Message-Id: <20181204184121.8e58bbf1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:NPewNHXGCWYu9WmTuSzMJ6OA9iyjuOueilKXZNga/I6jRmXr5yY ojgROCWxh31g1K7BT6yUIMliCAbadhji/ul0xyJliFjVJejCom3UUrC64OxilEnsQI8370Z LkMe6qWdZ80uGuqiFpn7IPoK5IU/GOaTDIyxxahEjcBxTPELY8733Lw0bNRF1LPLmCfOEbe 8oLbPlBp4sBFzfDwkrcGg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:yTfQDsbsMLQ=:EcbMs8EpNxOI+1YpYoYdyG zNrKPBiwQFp7Ugc0QF3TrZDw3EUOsOVhuAbZ6OWnbUsaLA/oms4ifUfVQG9TcqYthiCZN6CY4 5yWPwrAxFiq728Z0UmVgGv6PO6i0Xpz4f/1WqORRc7rX+pP1dSSDCUVVv/cGMo6C7jUf7bTYC F02cVWHppPMGoBG3uLJHSSlNSMN4cFI5VgB65ozzc1XYgk72e5/FYI8N8YjjBkHq4DAeavXt/ 3A6q5o5esV2DsIxnjIUIuDp6PIHj+KozN6KJx4kiafISFtOxbGu2qF/R3S/PADqi+FipSzrnz T36RkP7yTQ1i4khLC79X8Jnw3c6A6rFlMNFGNc/gj0I3/np/mrO24F/m6e6CxLc4sJQmnho/j I4MhCJuDC1NhXUijbpQmxKXxF1hUy3czFD4EHMdwbKw1kJDZPmPQWYG/oAOFaunJBpNLGhk/t +sfJZzXLS03ScTYl9W2HyYGb/956dxt3422hNha4Y4iHSyMhYRhfTt+3TqUx0iXhVRX7ob21i jO9kW6gyoY/1cqombarLb6XtLxna7k9eVKxbhQX/56uze6IV+ElfTBS6CA+aOj5o/L6YwRTEn b+/ZkRBk8Pxj0M5y09v72KI8iZWAZSZgUvvojo3VjioirQY8rYEqpOaAbjjO2mXiL1AArfT3S OaUB5YuzvLh61OijrFNgdKWlcM7Q1D8uRyF0EW9gVRKFaQMXjR5Dk9DpWacYEhp+eQB7FCAYy 2LWrVaPMyaa8riH1gEhmnYhlDaBtjAGD6OXbslQPG6Pwf+L5GDCFvANesaY= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6F57684D55 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.17 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.57)[-0.566,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(0.10)[ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.48), asn: 8560(0.01), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.87)[-0.874,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.87)[-0.871,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[75.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 17:41:38 -0000 On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:30:41 -0500, James B. Byrne wrote: > > > On Mon, December 3, 2018 21:25, B J wrote: > > > I re-installed Mate and modified the installation as you suggested. > > After running "startx", followed by "mate-session" in the terminal, I > > got a number of messages, including the following: > > For various reasons I have always desired to login to a console > session before starting a GDM. I wasn't able to get gdm working with anything than Gnome (and it completely ignores ~/.xsession, forcing you to manually configure "Autostart" applications for each user), so I replaced it with slim. Personally, I prefer xdm with an ~/.xsession -> ~/.xinitrc "cascade" so plain startx will still work. ;-) > On my FreeBSD-11.2p4 desktop I have > this in ~/.xinitrc, which seems to work for me: > > ck-launch-session mate-session Yes, I have the same setting on a reference system, except that the line is exec ck-launch-session mate-session to make sure X will shut down (and maybe return to gdm or slim) when the controlling MATE session has been terminated. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Is there any update on this issue and is it still an issue for 12?=20 This affects my FreeBSD server and I=E2=80=99d like it to be most modern as i= t partially exposed to the internet.=20 Sent from my iPhone= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 18:28:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A091316143 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:28:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F08936A170 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:28:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id UFO7gSXEDsismUFOAg4ppm; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:25:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 12:25:23 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: Michael Schuster cc: freeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Files in / Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <66B63BE11669F00AA754FE87@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGodaHozMZwYuGcG7b8hJv/z7JndolBGTPrk8//kfEWVSAx3ZJVg0wnHaNjXYS/zRDCim+6XCqstGCv/8tgYEVsB1OoUdWdK4ERJOGWmYZs8fEXaW0gV ojagLWybQObDJ2HeOosyZyZBnXHgKDX3zrNslFOEHj1W3KdyahFx1l0JOVyLKCGaD6wpxz4kDqzP8LoZ55lEj21GeFidPAgP/w9EdNxi02GiL2Te86N8Lo6c X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: F08936A170 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[227.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.750,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.75)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-2.03), asn: 7843(-1.62), country: US(-0.09)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:28:20 -0000 --On December 4, 2018 at 9:43:06 AM +0100 Michael Schuster=20 wrote: > > > Paul, > > > first, you show 'df' output of "/", whereas later on you only work with > "/root" - there's probably other stuff in "/" that's not in "/root" - > /etc comes to mind, /sbin ...=C2=A0 > That's helpful. When I run ls on / I get this: ls / .cshrc COPYRIGHT cdrom dist home media rescue sys var .profile bin=20 compat entropy lib mnt root tmp .snap boot dev etc libexec proc sbin usr Since I have separate partitions for /var, /tmp, and /usr, that would mean=20 everything not included under those would be part of the / partition? I'm not sure I understand entropy. Using file, I can see that /home and=20 /compat are symlinks, but what is entropy? File says it's data. If I use find to get the directories directly under root, it returns this: # find / -type d -maxdepth 1 / /.snap /dev /tmp /usr /var /etc /cdrom /dist /bin /boot /lib /libexec /media /mnt /proc /rescue /root /sbin So, I can eliminate /tmp, /usr, and /var, and the rest is in the root=20 partition, correct? It seems the most disk consumption is in /boot/ # du -h /boot/ 28K /boot/defaults 2.0K /boot/firmware 497M /boot/kernel 2.0K /boot/modules 2.0K /boot/zfs 2.0K /boot/dtb 91M /boot/kernel.old 591M /boot/ I can remove /boot/kernel.old, right? (I'm not sure I will. Just asking.) Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 18:35:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8D01316759 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B461B6AB91 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:35:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com with SMTP id e7so10461991vsc.2 for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 10:35:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SnTyn8vgt4sOscofHIvjPe2DSClAUUxDyZTOZYsZc7Y=; b=FuH4U8MjLcmExL0kVb9hBfqrCDeA72VfKXOe7km8IdCAIsWkLqu8IE9Ba3701djBKR 6yyNw5uVlHab/YpqhQ2JB8boEy/W7bVdymTaQGRBY+WbWHki4f84A7fxalHSvTZ2ceop j2CxcZefS5WnHQmiLRDkS5MN4OM3HeKHeUJZoFnSwtvNTokw6Cd4K6Rjl9skVC3i94ii x1pPyoLPHe0fJEosFpvyxaFHSvuIzU6FC7N9p6ZXhvtfT/E6pQnPYsQFgppos4iBPNU8 oR/7uAQy+UOLVvPHEDKg+ETqfinB0vzQu/gFjpnrmjlALoA2DomPscOu3/ZRNxsgOEjm k9hQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SnTyn8vgt4sOscofHIvjPe2DSClAUUxDyZTOZYsZc7Y=; b=TDU076GATpY1A7J8Ycb+VOTXl/jmG7ba2dx4F/5t8EObVBh9zxcByvVmZdjsTAbqO6 WZCvdTt0Ij94VVe2l8PcFG8+09pHwalTt9Rfdbov1vuMwjnPsJpIOPV+GmLAR1jKi/uM GIBoP34EDHYgOzJPWW7GM3F2132SFRaNYTv0I9EBgtXe+SL+ddPBdf/HCibJRySTjtB3 /DSNGI8+g1zw/d3bLWYpZapjBk8iTHXI+Wl5KgDNzBM4ATXIg8Od3TgZJct7yPQTDP1V H0r3gA/dSAk1eEAbJTRqHY4GbaIBsRB3ROpEhJlhmopKAHrcLvxFEwry+kxmpCqV2gKr O92Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWacohhA9Fh4S4MzUcF2/q9vEPEHBFZ7rdza9oy0S6XESH9EjNWn ZDR5aj/1AkbR6mEnSC7s9DwX7bjRoaXzxq4sjhY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/WeeYiuZzhC+dHw3u4crtXGiLDPMt/aB/tLggGsniE/hbAOB9rg1VX3BHK8gLUIVtSAlHdoXDEGlcYyMyjOZPA= X-Received: by 2002:a67:868c:: with SMTP id i134mr8967652vsd.97.1543948553295; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 10:35:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:57da:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:35:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20181204183621.9358c17e.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> <20181203184153.b37810d9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181204183621.9358c17e.freebsd@edvax.de> From: B J Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:35:52 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B461B6AB91 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.34 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.750,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.54), asn: 15169(-1.28), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:35:55 -0000 > Isn't that scary? All those messages are usually hidden. > You can even get more shocked when you build from source, > then you'll see tons of warnings... terrible attitude... > Part of the error messages aren't even helpful, like the > inability to "find provider ' '" - that's really great! > It seems the times of usable and bloat-reduced software > is long gone... :-/ It reminds me of when, during my sophomore undergrad year, I first learned programming with WATFOR/WATFIV. It often produced a lot of cryptic error messages which I, a rookie at this, often couldn't figure out. Worse was that we did it in those days with punch cards because interactive terminal weren't, for the most part, available on campus. > > > >> Then there were some messages regarding the location of >> GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL and SSH_AUTH_SOCK, followed by: >> >> Connection failure: Connection refused >> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused > > Check in /etc/rc.conf for the presence of the following settings, > which I found from a reference MATE system (which uses slim instead > of gdm, as Gnome was removed due to the Gnome 2 -> Gnome 3 > trouble): > > hald_enable="YES" > dbus_enable="YES" > polkitd_enable="YES" > volmand_enable="YES" > slim_enable="YES" > > That last line refers to slim, a display manager (GUI login). > Anyway, make sure HAL (deprecated), DBus (obsoleted), PolKit > (nonsense) are actually installed on your system. I used hald_enable='YES' dbus_enable='YES' in /etc/rc.conf. It appears they're both installed and working. Running: dbus-launch gave me some DBUS_SESSION messages I also tried: dbus-launch lshal which produced a long listing of various devices on the machine. > > Then check your ~/.xinitrc for those entries: > > dbus-launch > exec ck-launch-session mate-session > > I have left out additional programs (xset, xbindkeys, xmodmap, > > > >> The Mate desktop starts with its default configuration except that the >> size was for a larger monitor display. I was able to start Mate >> Terminal, but it was sluggish moving the window. > > You can use xrandr interactively from a terminal to set the > correct screen size. You can make the setting permanent by > adding it to your ~/.xinitrc, for example: > > xrandr --fb 1400x1050 > xrandr --size 1400x1050 I'll keep that in mind, though with the installation on the other HD on my computer, that was never required. However, as I mentioned in earlier postings, I began with an earlier version of FreeBSD, so that might have been set back then but not when I installed 11.2 this past weekend. I started X on the machine and brought up xterm. Running xrandr gave me the message: Failed to get size of gamma for output default as well as a listing of available screen sizes. I reset it using xrandr --size 1024x768 but running xrandr --fb 1024x768 still gave me the gamma size error message. > > There is also a Mate setting for this. > > If it doesn't work, use xorg.conf hard-coded values, for > example /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/screen-resolution.conf: > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Card0" > SubSection "Display" > Modes "1280x800" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > That isn't nice, but it works. ;-) > > > >> I was able to restart my machine twice from Mate, so that function >> appears to work. > > There is some documentation regarding Gnome on how to deal > with HAL, which scatters its stupid XML configuration across > the /usr/local subtree. This documentation also seems to work > with MATE. > > https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/ > > https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html > > https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html > > Relevant files can be found in /usr/local/share/polkit-1/actions, > they should already be installed by MATE. > I checked that directory and there were a number of org.*.*.policy files, including one for Gnome and several for Mate. I assume these might the ones I should look at. > > >> So, what does this all mean and would it be possible to salvage the >> installation? > > Yes. ;-) > > You are more or less fighting the narrow view of programmers > who primarily develop for Linux. In order to get MATE working > on FreeBSD, there is some work you need to do, messing with > stupid XML files, running outdated system services that were > abolished in Linux years ago... but yes, sure, it is of course > possible to get MATE running on FreeBSD, as I refered to from > an older reference system running MATE; I'm not sure I would > be able to get a similar system installed and configured on a > more recent FreeBSD version from scratch... :-) That's sort of what I thought. Installing everything using earlier versions of FreeBSD and software packages likely also installed all the necessary files to get the system running. But that was several years ago. In between time, for some reason, those files were no longer being installed by the updated versions of those packages. In other words, I did nearly everything right this past weekend based on what worked before. But there might have been some extra things that needed to be done and that's what I missed. At least I have the other system to refer to when I check those files. B. M. Jatzeck From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 18:50:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E181317443 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adams-freebsd@ateamsystems.com) Received: from smtp68.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (smtp68.iad3b.emailsrvr.com [146.20.161.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBC446C0AA for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:50:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adams-freebsd@ateamsystems.com) Received: from smtp17.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp17.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 67016A0592 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 13:50:40 -0500 (EST) X-Auth-ID: adam.strohl@ateamsystems.com Received: by smtp17.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: adam.strohl-AT-ateamsystems.com) with ESMTPSA id 26565A05B4 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 13:50:40 -0500 (EST) X-Sender-Id: adam.strohl@ateamsystems.com Received: from [192.168.15.220] (office.ateamsystems.com [50.246.230.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:465 (trex/5.7.12); Tue, 04 Dec 2018 13:50:40 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Adam Strohl Subject: HAST Error: G_GATE_CMD_START failed: Cannot allocate memory. Message-ID: <79cd5422-9a89-bc32-a5f4-a4f7180641ee@ateamsystems.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:50:42 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CBC446C0AA X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:146.20.161.0/25]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ateamsystems.com]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.emailsrvr.com,mx2.emailsrvr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.939,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[68.161.20.146.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.16)[ipnet: 146.20.0.0/16(-2.22), asn: 27357(-3.47), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:27357, ipnet:146.20.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:50:47 -0000 Hello Everyone, We've been successfully using HAST (with ZFS and NFS on top) for years and years on a number of different deployments for our customers. Typically the setup is two HAST volumes with ZFS running zmirror over it. Today, under FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p4, we went to setup an instance using 4 disks using zraid1, and ran into an issue as soon as any significant writing occurred: Two out of the 4 total HAST volumes immediately "crashed" and failed to report: >>>> hastctl status ;;Name Status Role Components zhsubd0 complete primary /dev/ada0p4 nas2 zhsubd1 - init /dev/ada1p4 nas2 zhsubd2 complete primary /dev/ada2p4 nas2 zhsubd3 - init /dev/ada3p4 nas2 On further inspection in syslog we'd see: Dec 4 18:30:14 nas1 hastd[1475]: [zhsubd1] (primary) G_GATE_CMD_START failed: Cannot allocate memory. Dec 4 18:30:14 nas1 devd: Processing event '!system=DEVFS subsystem=CDEV type=DESTROY cdev=hast/zhsubd1' Dec 4 18:30:14 nas1 devd: Processing event '!system=GEOM subsystem=DEV type=DESTROY cdev=hast/zhsubd1' Dec 4 18:30:14 nas1 hastd[578]: [zhsubd1] (primary) Worker process exited ungracefully (pid=1475, exitcode=71). Dec 4 18:30:14 nas1 hastd[578]: [zhsubd1] (primary) Changing resource role back to init. The only trace of this error I can find is in this mailing list entry: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2015-May/055750.html However we're not running a custom kernel. This seems to be something specific to running more than 2 volumes. Does anyone have any insight into what limit is being hit and how to fix it? I can't find much documentation on MAXPHYS and what it does (or did). I would be grateful for any assistance -- please let me know if there is a better place to post this or anyone needs more details. 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protected-headers="v1" From: Yuri Pankov To: Greg Marsh , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11.2/amd64 boot from zfs References: In-Reply-To: --2fMXYeIw61jVPBCnYrv2ckZzelGD5WM6W Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg Marsh wrote: > [2017-07-25] A late issue was discovered with FreeBSD/arm64 and "root o= n ZFS" installations where the root ZFS pool would fail to be located.=20 >=20 > There currently is no workaround. >=20 > Is there any update on this issue and is it still an issue for 12?=20 > This affects my FreeBSD server and I=E2=80=99d like it to be most moder= n as it partially exposed to the internet.=20 You are reading it wrong, it says "arm64" and not "amd64" :-) --2fMXYeIw61jVPBCnYrv2ckZzelGD5WM6W-- --5XGObNwGef257IpyXXjwXC4zfobmOJkVT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+Gq3PsPeLT4tL/9wk4vgf7Eq4WwFAlwGzVsACgkQk4vgf7Eq 4Wy/UQgAqH4LT/ttUns2oAp8hGjbb+DLjq+h/NzSIzxzxPjvY3rvduGqWdDrsVgW 4dCn1Sx+T//A+7lTMnaiaOsaTmqm86jfxYDdvI57VrCswePjYfG9zCQ1//KrQeiZ sAEQs1VWNy6aywIVGu55oWJw8ZkHN5BEJVrZCREHJGA7GPdMNo+CFlN+B7SAI26w MchN02DaxF0FBrkLTZN5RtQ4WzJrocxRCSzvwcdFGxCEFU6JUBOrbPgel0E7CJ2i KmiDZs9lbLyWCFeFQCIkXzCvrIcyBv4JHNL12gR91XBBeOfvyH6wYP3kU1o5ZXRp zbhVi7osYRaqJXuI+eCRngJvULQ05w== =9Njc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5XGObNwGef257IpyXXjwXC4zfobmOJkVT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 19:21:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E9E13185FB for ; 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RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(0.09)[ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.45), asn: 8560(0.01), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.87)[-0.871,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.78)[0.784,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.87)[-0.868,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[73.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:21:04 -0000 On Tue, 04 Dec 2018 12:25:23 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On December 4, 2018 at 9:43:06 AM +0100 Michael Schuster=20 > wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Paul, > > > > > > first, you show 'df' output of "/", whereas later on you only work with > > "/root" - there's probably other stuff in "/" that's not in "/root" - > > /etc comes to mind, /sbin ...=A0 > > >=20 > That's helpful. When I run ls on / I get this: >=20 > ls / .cshrc COPYRIGHT cdrom dist home media rescue sys var .profile bi= n=20 > compat entropy lib mnt root tmp .snap boot dev etc libexec proc sbin usr Except for formatting, this looks completely valid. > Since I have separate partitions for /var, /tmp, and /usr, that would mea= n=20 > everything not included under those would be part of the / partition? Correct. You can easily check with the command # mount which directories serve as a mountpoint for partitions. Everything else is on /. > I'm not sure I understand entropy. This file is part of the system's random number generator. See "man 4 random" as well as /etc/rc.d/initrandom and /etc/rc.d/random. > Using file, I can see that /home and=20 > /compat are symlinks, [...] That's usually true, but _can_ be different depending on installation. For example, on my home system, /home is an (initially empty) directory serving as a mountpoint for a second disk that contains the home directories. In your case, /home would also be on the /usr partition. > [...] but what is entropy? File says it's data. Correct. This file is being maintained by system scripts as mentioned above. > If I use find to get the directories directly under root, it returns this: >=20 > # find / -type d -maxdepth 1 > / > /.snap > /dev > /tmp > /usr > /var > /etc > /cdrom > /dist > /bin > /boot > /lib > /libexec > /media > /mnt > /proc > /rescue > /root > /sbin >=20 > So, I can eliminate /tmp, /usr, and /var, and the rest is in the root=20 > partition, correct? If they aren't mounted somewhere else (which would be the typical state, and can be verified with the "mount" or the "df" command), that's correct. You can use the following sh one-liner to check which directories at / serve as a mountpoint: $ for DIR in `find / -type d -maxdepth 1`; do mount -v | grep " on ${DIR} = " | cut -d '(' -f 1; done YOu should then only see the directories which are currently used as mountpoints. > It seems the most disk consumption is in /boot/ >=20 > # du -h /boot/ > 28K /boot/defaults > 2.0K /boot/firmware > 497M /boot/kernel > 2.0K /boot/modules > 2.0K /boot/zfs > 2.0K /boot/dtb > 91M /boot/kernel.old > 591M /boot/ >=20 > I can remove /boot/kernel.old, right? (I'm not sure I will. Just asking.) Basically yes, but then you won't be able to boot kernel.old. The kernel and the modules have grown in size over the years. The times where a 512 MB (or 256 MB) / partition would be sufficiently big are long gone. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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I see I sent it from a different address than I subscribed with. Trying again. FreeBSD should be Posix-compliant. It looks like the _POSIX_SRC macro is obsolete, but you might try defining it. https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=feature_test_macros&manpath=SuSE+Linux/i386+11.3 James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions(freebsd-questions@freebsd.org)@2018.12.03 17:10:19 -0500: > I am hacking an old terminal emulator program originally written for > something other than FreeBSD. Ihave encountered this error: > > cc -I../ -I../BSDI -I/usr/include -I/usr/local/include > -DSHOW_DC1_COUNT=0 -DDEBUG_BREAK=0 -DIGNORE_KEYBOARD_LOCK=1 > -DIGNORE_USER_SYSTEM_LOCK=1 -DDEBUG_BLOCK_MODE=0 -DMEMLOCK_2000 -c > tty.c > tty.c:179:28: error: use of undeclared identifier 'CBAUD' > curr_termio.c_cflag &= ~(CBAUD); > > > The code in question looks like this: > > #ifdef _POSIX_SOURCE > if (cfsetispeed((PTERMIO)&curr_termio, speed) == -1) > { > printf ("Error %d from cfsetispeed(%s)\n", errno, deviceinfo); > show_tty_error ("cfsetispeed()", errno); > return(-1); > } > if (cfsetospeed((PTERMIO)&curr_termio, speed) == -1) > { > printf ("Error %d from cfsetospeed(%s)\n", errno, deviceinfo); > show_tty_error ("cfsetospeed()", errno); > return(-1); > } > #else > curr_termio.c_cflag &= ~(CBAUD); > curr_termio.c_cflag |= speed; > > I can guess that FreeBSD is not a POSIX compliant OS, or at least does > not declar itself so in the manner the programmer expected. However, > the only other references to CBAUD that I can find on this system is: > > /usr/local/include/gphoto2/gphoto2-port-portability.h:99:# define > CBAUD 0x0000100f > /usr/local/include/gphoto2/gphoto2-port-portability.h:129:# define > CBAUDEX 0x00001000 > > Soooo. The question is: Do I just define CBAUD by copy and paste into > a header file and add that to the complier includes? Or is their a > more informed and elegant answer to my problem? > > > > -- > *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** > Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail > Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail > > James B. 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All those messages are usually hidden. > > You can even get more shocked when you build from source, > > then you'll see tons of warnings... terrible attitude... > > Part of the error messages aren't even helpful, like the > > inability to "find provider ' '" - that's really great! > > It seems the times of usable and bloat-reduced software > > is long gone... :-/ > > It reminds me of when, during my sophomore undergrad year, I first > learned programming with WATFOR/WATFIV. It often produced a lot of > cryptic error messages which I, a rookie at this, often couldn't > figure out. There was a reference manual where you could look up most error codes. ;-) > Worse was that we did it in those days with punch cards > because interactive terminal weren't, for the most part, available on > campus. Not that worse. It emphasized the "first think, then code" mentality which today has been obsoleted by "works on my machine" and "silence the compiler", as well as "warnings are not errors" and "I don't care"... > >> Then there were some messages regarding the location of > >> GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL and SSH_AUTH_SOCK, followed by: > >> > >> Connection failure: Connection refused > >> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused > > > > Check in /etc/rc.conf for the presence of the following settings, > > which I found from a reference MATE system (which uses slim instead > > of gdm, as Gnome was removed due to the Gnome 2 -> Gnome 3 > > trouble): > > > > hald_enable="YES" > > dbus_enable="YES" > > polkitd_enable="YES" > > volmand_enable="YES" > > slim_enable="YES" > > > > That last line refers to slim, a display manager (GUI login). > > Anyway, make sure HAL (deprecated), DBus (obsoleted), PolKit > > (nonsense) are actually installed on your system. > > I used > > hald_enable='YES' > dbus_enable='YES' > > in /etc/rc.conf. It appears they're both installed and working. Running: > > dbus-launch > > gave me some DBUS_SESSION messages > > I also tried: > > dbus-launch lshal > > which produced a long listing of various devices on the machine. Okay, so those infrastructures are up and running. Good. > >> The Mate desktop starts with its default configuration except that the > >> size was for a larger monitor display. I was able to start Mate > >> Terminal, but it was sluggish moving the window. > > > > You can use xrandr interactively from a terminal to set the > > correct screen size. You can make the setting permanent by > > adding it to your ~/.xinitrc, for example: > > > > xrandr --fb 1400x1050 > > xrandr --size 1400x1050 > > I'll keep that in mind, though with the installation on the other HD > on my computer, that was never required. It _should_ not be required at all. But in worst case, you can always use this as a fallback level (a _lower_ level!) where you can quickly get things to behave as they should. > I started X on the machine and brought up xterm. Running xrandr gave > me the message: > > Failed to get size of gamma for output default > > as well as a listing of available screen sizes. I reset it using > > xrandr --size 1024x768 > > but running > > xrandr --fb 1024x768 > > still gave me the gamma size error message. In that case, I think the call with the --size parameter is sufficient. Still the message is just a warning, I get it too: % xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 320 x 175, current 1400 x 1050, maximum 1400 x 1050 [...] It seems to be no problem. > > There is some documentation regarding Gnome on how to deal > > with HAL, which scatters its stupid XML configuration across > > the /usr/local subtree. This documentation also seems to work > > with MATE. > > > > https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/ > > > > https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html > > > > https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html > > > > Relevant files can be found in /usr/local/share/polkit-1/actions, > > they should already be installed by MATE. > > > > I checked that directory and there were a number of org.*.*.policy > files, including one for Gnome and several for Mate. I assume these > might the ones I should look at. In my opinion, they should work as the installer created them there. I don't remember to have seen a _requirement_ to edit them, unlike others (related to auto-mounting, which never really worked). > >> So, what does this all mean and would it be possible to salvage the > >> installation? > > > > Yes. ;-) > > > > You are more or less fighting the narrow view of programmers > > who primarily develop for Linux. In order to get MATE working > > on FreeBSD, there is some work you need to do, messing with > > stupid XML files, running outdated system services that were > > abolished in Linux years ago... but yes, sure, it is of course > > possible to get MATE running on FreeBSD, as I refered to from > > an older reference system running MATE; I'm not sure I would > > be able to get a similar system installed and configured on a > > more recent FreeBSD version from scratch... :-) > > > > That's sort of what I thought. Installing everything using earlier > versions of FreeBSD and software packages likely also installed all > the necessary files to get the system running. But that was several > years ago. In between time, for some reason, those files were no > longer being installed by the updated versions of those packages. You should rely on the dependency resolving mechanism of pkg. If you can make a clean install, just install the "top ports", i. e., the things you're actually going to use, while ignoring possible dependencies you might have on a list from an older installation. > In other words, I did nearly everything right this past weekend based > on what worked before. But there might have been some extra things > that needed to be done and that's what I missed. Correct. > At least I have the other system to refer to when I check those files. It's always good to have some reference system, and if it's just that you can have a look at certain configuration files, or notes that you took on that system on where you had to modify something. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 20:13:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A407E131B0F2 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 20:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a199e59c87e914e7b5fdb9459865d66e@zxas.fi) Received: from box.zxas.fi (box.zxas.fi [IPv6:2a03:e581:4:e9::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E76B70AD0 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 20:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a199e59c87e914e7b5fdb9459865d66e@zxas.fi) Received: from authenticated-user (box.zxas.fi [185.87.108.237]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by box.zxas.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47BFC81E80; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 22:13:14 +0200 (EET) Received: from authenticated-user (box.zxas.fi [185.87.108.237]) by zero.my.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6666733C39; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 22:13:12 +0200 (EET) Received: from authenticated-user (box.zxas.fi [185.87.108.237]) by thunderbolt.my.domain (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id wB4KDAga065986 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 4 Dec 2018 22:13:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ejk@thunderbolt.my.domain) Received: from authenticated-user (box.zxas.fi [185.87.108.237]) by thunderbolt.my.domain (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id wB4KDAdk065985; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 22:13:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ejk) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 22:13:10 +0200 From: Esa Karkkainen To: Paul Schmehl Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Files in / Message-ID: <20181204201310.GE52067@pp.htv.fi> Mail-Followup-To: Esa Karkkainen , Paul Schmehl , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <66B63BE11669F00AA754FE87@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <23558.33730.773326.914041@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <23558.33730.773326.914041@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9E76B70AD0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.985,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.51)[0.509,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[zxas.fi:~]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[zxas.fi,quarantine]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[box.zxas.fi]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[zxas.fi]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[freebsd.lists@zxas.fi,a199e59c87e914e7b5fdb9459865d66e@zxas.fi]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: FI(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:201057, ipnet:2a03:e581:4::/48, country:FI]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[freebsd.lists@zxas.fi, a199e59c87e914e7b5fdb9459865d66e@zxas.fi] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 20:13:17 -0000 On Tue, Dec 04, 2018 at 08:40:18AM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: > And - if you're trying to track down what's gobbling disk space - > try this, aimed at the suspect directory: > > du -k | sort -n -r | head -n 25 I'm using a variation of that du -axk / | sort -rn Which I usually redirect to a file, so I don't need to run the same command again and again. But I digress, the command will list every directory and file within the / filesystem, Each directory will contain sum of the files within, for example # du -axk / | sort -rn | head -2 1860504 / 1761543 /boot # df -k / Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on tank/root 180339052 1860536 178478516 1% / # So df show usage of 1 860 536 KiB and df shows 1 860 504 KiB, difference of 32 KiB, the numbers will not match exactly. In this case there is a 0.000018% difference between disk usage shown by df and du. Second largest directory is /boot, sum of the file sizes within /boot directory is 1 761 543 KiB. The "du -axk" keeps du within one filesystem, so it will not wander to other filesystems like /proc, possibly /var, if it is a separate filesystem etc. The "sort -rn" sorts the lines, using the first column, sort order is largest to smallest number. Regards, Esa -- "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams 1952 - 2001 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 22:33:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5553F1323E16 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 22:33:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from forward103p.mail.yandex.net (forward103p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F36D4763D1 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 22:33:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from mxback7g.mail.yandex.net (mxback7g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:168]) by forward103p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 73B3618C18F7; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 01:33:41 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp3o.mail.yandex.net (smtp3o.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::27]) by mxback7g.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id KFmEmdAgMV-XfqCjKoG; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 01:33:41 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1543962821; bh=qI8QrQ8OWRRBOoUSTRbpjubi5Xb7Rp7l+WqpezzYd+8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References; b=MsZu2AqaM9lWKsD32v2B5/snzCoIHYlziVXFs5P5njwsSfkYe9yXGDBDFd+Z8n/le T3yvKozJc/bwYbRwOdxR2TRmfFJS3CObesl0VRTzUH3lUnJZA5q6BNiwJnWSJ+3fWN ft/6pfG9uiHt21oHkS6UxvApBFnaTqkc/VUqv5dE= Received: by smtp3o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id 1JV9HTlZfo-XdROvHg2; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 01:33:40 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1543962820; bh=qI8QrQ8OWRRBOoUSTRbpjubi5Xb7Rp7l+WqpezzYd+8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References; b=dpgAzW90wEXK17lPWB0ieYSKkK2h/uJu4W8/FeQliceDm4+6RCmdMeMMU7tPF6zQ7 xZwieU+GUhLyHCSbgW/UHgg2L0NxiNUHwW2RqrFHIeiC5USCBBpSBFDW4NiANFjcwJ 04+Gm2gTxCaGHRsEb1cRuq48X6ByxmnpbGYJHB4M= Authentication-Results: smtp3o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:33:37 -0500 From: To: Erich Dollansky Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: new hard drive Message-ID: <20181204173337.03263c2c@yandex.com> In-Reply-To: <20181204122124.42bc8397.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> References: <20181130054835.4caa4d32@yandex.com> <20181201113846.2f21e068.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20181201053854.1ef28af1@yandex.com> <20181202091117.39b52b3c.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20181202060859.2edbff27@yandex.com> <20181204122124.42bc8397.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.1 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: F36D4763D1 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yandex.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a02:6b8:0:1000::/52]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-1.72)[ipnet: 2a02:6b8::/32(-4.80), asn: 13238(-3.82), country: RU(0.01)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.yandex.ru]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yandex.com:+]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.967,0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yandex.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[6.0.1.0.7.b.8.0.0.0.0.0.1.4.7.2.2.7.4.1.0.0.0.0.8.b.6.0.2.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:2a02:6b8::/32, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 22:33:45 -0000 On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 12:21:24 +0800 Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 06:08:59 -0500 > wrote: > > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 09:11:17 +0800 > > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 05:38:54 -0500 > > > wrote: > > > > > > here are some people running FreeBSD on the Macs. You just need a > > > loader that is able to handle what ever is there as a BIOS > > > replacement. > > > > > > All will be plain FreeBSD after the loader took over. > > > > Yes, I have FreeBSD also on iMac and I am using rEFIt boot manager > > but I didn't figured out how can I do this. > > just put the disk into an USB case, connect it to the iMAC. Create the > same partition schema using gpart. I install then the operating system > from sources on the USB drive, edit the configuration file and off it > goes. > > I do not know the differences your machines have compared to normal > PCs. > > Erich Yes, there are difference and it doesn't want to run installation from the other OS as OS X.But if I have on the new HD "40 409600 1efi(200M)" than will be okay. gpart show (the old disk) 34 1953525101 ada0 GPT (932G) 34 6 - free - (3.0K) 40 409600 1 efi (200M) 409640 1216587112 2 apple-hfs (580G) 1216996752 1269536 3 apple-boot (620M) 1218266288 1024 4 freebsd-boot (512K) 1218267312 727710720 5 freebsd-ufs (347G) 1945978032 7547102 6 freebsd-swap (3.6G) 1953525134 1 - free - (512B) Thank you. 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Crucial for the start of FreeBSD will be rc.conf and fstat both in /etc. You can edit them then on the iMac. You also should be able to test the installation at the iMac. Again. It is most likely that these two files will be a bit different on those machines. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 5 02:47:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2ED132A9D4 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 02:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from mx18-out13.antispamcloud.com (mx18-out13.antispamcloud.com [207.244.64.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F4E57FA5E for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 02:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com) by mx3.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gUM1L-000617-Q6; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 02:30:39 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; 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My custom made kernel takes around 50% of this. > I can remove /boot/kernel.old, right? (I'm not sure I will. Just > asking.) You could but it will leave you in a strange position of the new kernel fails to boot. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 5 05:19:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9A0132E3EE for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 05:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe32.google.com (mail-vs1-xe32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19F13847AE for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 05:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe32.google.com with SMTP id g68so11324033vsd.11 for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 21:19:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AFTKje3TVGdNtnSTefyQ9xzUpR3V5Jecdv9+M6fyyaU=; b=cTtFTByGQuCL+W6XqH0qNIyaDZoMSYDGZwZM6niR0Aqkz8aEgtoTcV23nW8N/Vbnil lMue99JZ7/0qYqZ7iED+GEmG0SJGfET5gcFwWqtHDmLdh8sz5CNsT0iDOjbKMG1zYxHE DKGeNfeSU3Z+9XqICEE+upt37ndvBtI4ahwY18zFn4tniSoDik5eTTTtzvtDaL4bH1Vy UH7Mj6mQ1m/wx+4y3raiWbW61OrTaECEA2dzYw5hTdEnIe+ydEn5io8jv1Vty97iLic+ rEq/Cq76qirlK/hR5bAzbMx9R8tMPjBIjI05yaT+TWv0dWOlpqzNNKvfktP2wc6RhWhs yZKw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AFTKje3TVGdNtnSTefyQ9xzUpR3V5Jecdv9+M6fyyaU=; b=j7+P9ZIkKrhyTOLcUOPf+ZNdxnOoHutA0K7PY6W7mjOqxwQHFanlxcB0UrCLxjy0Sx sMHQNGdZE9YjiuhvYfCTrPolv24Zy2IZZnXI/s+4rT8JoyFMaWgEaQw7nxvmGpaHJd+d /RugBsverIcznPoh4swE2p8wWyFjfQ48wPhBWx9rp6R/TsgZVkWI5V+CDWkIDkiPqjbT 2s5DS4GOvjkuCvNfUUl9m0Auq8/g/Cw9yCStAxI6WnChdY17DgKWZ7pljiVq0WPOz/oN bmeDACaj6bmNJBpTaxtouLsPM6/L2qyFN83CwiPlBl5n05St3xHoAVI/X3gY0emRhLc7 M8/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZVnQk42MWbIFSoorv2sl1QZo0kjkaOl5s26SPfKsxT9Zr+rnOw X+I+krfUYCupqNBDRM54QP5KevW6CmoHtO8HOqg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/VOGaFmCjTDZXRkdPFkFsBybZd1wKtuheQwO/wFKw/6KkzmJlWOUYv8b0iflqwu3aajpBYXvMda4CHU5TBSHdA= X-Received: by 2002:a67:868c:: with SMTP id i134mr9711281vsd.97.1543987147284; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 21:19:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:57da:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 21:19:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20181204202918.64f6e9eb.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> <20181203184153.b37810d9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181204183621.9358c17e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181204202918.64f6e9eb.freebsd@edvax.de> From: B J Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 05:19:06 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 19F13847AE X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.83)[-0.830,0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.54), asn: 15169(-1.29), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 05:19:09 -0000 >> In other words, I did nearly everything right this past weekend based >> on what worked before. But there might have been some extra things >> that needed to be done and that's what I missed. > > Correct. I found the following after an Internet search: https://blog.frederic2ec.tk/20180925/installer-une-freebsd-112-avec-mate https://jacekkowalczyk.wordpress.com/2018/11/23/how-to-install-and-configure-freebsd-11-2/ I installed my system directly onto the hard drive, so I didn't use VirtualBox. In addition, it appears that bash was installed already. Others than that, my installation was much the same as those two examples. I didn't add anything for things like a printer. I still don't get the full default Mate desktop as there are no icons for the computer, my home directory, or, for that matter, Trash. i remain baffled. BMJ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 5 13:09:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778821311B7F for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 13:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x332.google.com (mail-wm1-x332.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::332]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 552036D241 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 13:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x332.google.com with SMTP id c126so12794651wmh.0 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 05:09:44 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=THj+1M2aNFOm6rSt3IRPFoiAx4B1QSbdibbdsZZaKSs=; b=ak5o2+JtfPSAPkLZ1URVF2/X+nvM6uAr660clgnJ2Y3B9vp2WQH/ItMEeH3NEYebiC Wx4W0WomP/5iCLVg2lHAorMH8YDtcDMeeIRT5gG11B1yjl388AdMGU5nu4r4DHeYWJ4a PNziSRTnZFokM90PPXEu+UXJgtqhncm/4l1owcURLrD1MSQz8ySquA6pYMFUROE0usNi lOBcPfYbn2XQo90CJ55MmYDBElfxpWcAB2NWi+o56br8SK3Ay6BgLTaR4iZJ/a2UGo97 lRpZAzGURrwpF7m6m1dhFllrYPu68KZWGRP4EwuZWKekAX2/YudejEKHtKFrmlmA3HNC eoWw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWaDi2LOoIKukg6uyJGlQ+BWvDZ2RTP/42t/GeD1dh8hvrWP/Lg3 TVxtrjwm1XkQjGbuzjLCSDAqt+iKHEw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XT7L0NDfGgX0xDzIvny3Ixo7eqC6A21RNkGhWgoVpkhuH0mEkcCkmFNdX/L2G0i6xPYGc7mA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:174f:: with SMTP id 76mr15011159wmx.116.1544015382956; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 05:09:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([2.121.229.87]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b13sm16631904wrn.28.2018.12.05.05.09.41 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 05 Dec 2018 05:09:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 13:09:40 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Files in / Message-ID: <20181205130940.7ad1c3ba@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20181205093022.3882bad5.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> References: <66B63BE11669F00AA754FE87@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181205093022.3882bad5.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 552036D241 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.45 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.51), asn: 15169(-1.30), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.864,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.229.121.2.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 13:09:45 -0000 On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 09:30:22 +0800 Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 04 Dec 2018 12:25:23 -0600 > Paul Schmehl wrote: > > > --On December 4, 2018 at 9:43:06 AM +0100 Michael Schuster > > wrote: > > > > It seems the most disk consumption is in /boot/ > > > > # du -h /boot/ > > 497M /boot/kernel > > 91M /boot/kernel.old > this seems perfectly normal if you have a debug kernel installed. My > custom made kernel takes around 50% of this. /boot/kernel seems quite high to me, and it's over 5 time the size of the old kernel. With a generic kernel on 11.2, I have: 124M /boot/kernel 124M /boot/kernel.old From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 5 14:00:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713F9131485E for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F95473BAC for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:00:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Subject: Re: Files in / Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: <20181205130940.7ad1c3ba@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 07:00:22 -0700 X-Random-Signature: Apple Broke Applescrip[t access to signatures, random sigs now powered by Keyboard Maestro Pro X-Face: )^b5"R:T7U>9~:PEn3YkzMfW*[b1qKeU.fP9C8~8HpU9}lA&6`bH1 Message-Id: <55F2B8A3-F398-4A78-964D-11D0DAC6BB46@kreme.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <66B63BE11669F00AA754FE87@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181205093022.3882bad5.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20181205130940.7ad1c3ba@gumby.homeunix.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1F95473BAC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.31 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.17)[-0.167,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.covisp.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.53)[0.528,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.40)[0.398,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.04)[asn: 209(-0.11), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 14:00:40 -0000 On Wed Dec 05 2018 06:09:40 RW via freebsd-questions = said: >=20 > /boot/kernel seems quite high to me, and it's over 5 time the size of > the old kernel. >=20 > With a generic kernel on 11.2, I have: >=20 > 124M /boot/kernel > 124M /boot/kernel.old 96M /boot/kernel 89M /boot/kernel.old For me --=20 Han : This is not going to work. Luke: Why didn't you say so before? Han : I did say so before! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 5 18:04:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B77D1322F85 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 18:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x72e.google.com (mail-qk1-x72e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1B0D80F57 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 18:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x72e.google.com with SMTP id y78so12395092qka.12 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 10:04:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=rVjMtbvh8dHY3NQfOgF6p9JDgi3sPPozO4C2Ooa7zvo=; b=fW4Bc4d3Xxgtngaj1rkbQiDsvsyKP9cw79H9YycgCh52ZuD4b4yaZ6CI/YcSCx2UpO Rh5YQBV54WfwdZne0AxlC2DsC3PRfOCT5fbuV2jix8A9hx9ahxKHnEpDiCqwckNBX9UY eTcRETT2RXoqXaEQFG49ttRgM7aAL6gpkzbF8FDs+8NEyM2pCUspQ8mj7cHpxk8MeewG q+Qbd+Ug7x3YZljdxFDvk7VzUcOTU42Sk1t3LbVDD4DWVTmF0b0xqt9UoBLPJOmW1GYg r5/uZ22Q2vbLADjnrKo3a8QufMobob2QQTgDx8Tk3x5tiG7taqyBCgDuADC4p43mHmwC iyyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=rVjMtbvh8dHY3NQfOgF6p9JDgi3sPPozO4C2Ooa7zvo=; b=nBTDwOuiDrUX8je0CR5oARTayUvAYtpeBgm6ioQxveZdumyBuW7TJWLVS37faS3AEh f8ICs5vhTsoxlHzraFy+RKB2oqGZKMI4sqZSO5Kljp/Ydu4nVVycSV3/nizw+6bNOB2M aYMz+vdKccgchZBSzAptAmGPgRBCrFKkmtNt7w2uEQcKePFJLaXtgrpQ6nfXZbZk4eRT LVsNIlLV6n0HnqEQVIBcflmJjMsufnUnYmlmHnMURAzRd7RjpUajN9LcNNOdQdVEtUts nBrfHa0vFdqfCnqT/YVhYVITUPf93RH5cJCyqf0Krazuv11qxfkI8+VXs1KlekFARVDa VaOw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZ5Lfa1eB7X9mKg2TJqV69Gji7PCuwlmGazt91Xc6SxQteqDrBM v+Ah6Eax39hjS++eXfFcjUQDNJ2jID44rmFSaPnD7pbDcVs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/WeaV98Qs7ELHc+D/vDis/m3K0BDMrd+qOLZn7gsZe4WVYmN6ODBRCj/zmgSdoFYay7Ga//AY6ilXYnom3derM= X-Received: by 2002:a37:3a04:: with SMTP id h4mr22427598qka.53.1544033091428; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 10:04:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <66B63BE11669F00AA754FE87@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181205093022.3882bad5.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20181205130940.7ad1c3ba@gumby.homeunix.com> <55F2B8A3-F398-4A78-964D-11D0DAC6BB46@kreme.com> In-Reply-To: <55F2B8A3-F398-4A78-964D-11D0DAC6BB46@kreme.com> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 10:04:14 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Files in / To: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A1B0D80F57 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.58 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[alt1.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx2.googlemail.com,alt2.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx3.googlemail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.69)[-0.687,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.53), asn: 15169(-1.29), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 18:04:53 -0000 Custom monolithic kernels are 8260 /boot/kernel/ (yes, that is a boast) - M On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:03 AM @lbutlr wrote: > > On Wed Dec 05 2018 06:09:40 RW via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> said: > > > > /boot/kernel seems quite high to me, and it's over 5 time the size of > > the old kernel. > > > > With a generic kernel on 11.2, I have: > > > > 124M /boot/kernel > > 124M /boot/kernel.old > > 96M /boot/kernel > 89M /boot/kernel.old > > For me > > > > -- > Han : This is not going to work. Luke: Why didn't you say so before? > Han : I did say so before! > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 5 21:56:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAA11328540 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 21:56:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 710406D1E6 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 21:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1544046978; x=1546638978; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=YZnlFxJWyB4NEKLiArjHMMODhPeSG87x8xtedoCDHUI=; b=AIiQa/IZkN/T+3kpnm34CdQ0mmSw05e2kKWdtMLzr9OXOQ631DmwRw4l2mvjBdn1UZPKE1rOUVvCxP6fIMm2D1q72FCiuqsu6aCLUe7pjzBeHZV0beejGnIfdGuwpjt+rm+m342nIZrlUVBrcPVEeMWaAamgsHYQIKWUcj3GjuM= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTEwMDAwMDFhMmE1MTMuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r6.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r6.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [34.193.32.0]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 5 Dec 2018 16:56:01 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r6.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 5 Dec 2018 16:56:01 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gUf9D-000KVj-TC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 21:56:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 21:55:59 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Files in / Message-Id: <20181205215559.734d576dff61d5a22e3ea014@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <66B63BE11669F00AA754FE87@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181205093022.3882bad5.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20181205130940.7ad1c3ba@gumby.homeunix.com> <55F2B8A3-F398-4A78-964D-11D0DAC6BB46@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 710406D1E6 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.995,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mxbh.socketlabs.com,mxbsg.socketlabs.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.50)[-0.499,0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.18)[ip: (-0.43), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.22), asn: 7381(-0.17), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 21:56:22 -0000 On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 10:04:14 -0800 Michael Sierchio wrote: > Custom monolithic kernels are > > 8260 /boot/kernel/ > > (yes, that is a boast) Wow reminds me of 1.1 days (actually that would be huge by 1.1 standards the boxes I ran then only had 16MB of RAM) - still impressive. Care to share the config file ? It must be close to minimal. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 5 22:29:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70C21328EE5 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 22:29:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBF096DF99 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 22:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id UffcgYpihP088Ufffg0xUB; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:29:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:29:28 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Advice on backups Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfFY0s96TUehdEz0+MAXU0YZwLnsFd+zQFfrAQtHnzAInKGGmjiY+s+e9ZOp4FXVQZYXLobFau9IRWTajcP17SQevs5aDO2f67req2OfoI6Wp6ZrlkAmI M586vj6MtlX7is8vHfHPQc9i1wYT8AxCYhrVsFYiy8AaHHJOQBolTMzM9wMI56NNP/tvz1nXxvrAKw== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EBF096DF99 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.17 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.90)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-2.44), asn: 7843(-1.95), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com,dnvrco-cmedge02.email.rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.959,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[225.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:29:44 -0000 I manage a couple of servers on the internet. There are no backup or test servers, so I have to do everything on live systems that are serving webpages, handling mail, etc. Historically, I've used rsync and ssh to backup server1 to server2 and vice versa. I decided I would prefer an offsite backup system in case both servers failed at the same time, and because server2 was running out of space because of backups. So, I setup some scripts to create gzipped tarballs and transfer those to my Dropbox account. (I have plenty of space there.) I run the scripts daily, and the files are named with the date of the backup (e.g. 120518.websites.tgz) On the webserver, I'm backing up /usr/local/www, /etc, and /usr/local/etc. I've also created a backup directory in my home directory where I put copies of all the scripts I run, plus a text file of crontab and a few other things. I then zipped that and copied it to Dropbox as well. I don't have a script for it, because those things don't change that often. Am I missing anything important? I tested untarring one of the tarballs into my home directory, and if I understand it correctly, I would need to untar these in / if I ever need to restore anything. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." 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Wed, 05 Dec 2018 14:41:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <66B63BE11669F00AA754FE87@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181205093022.3882bad5.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20181205130940.7ad1c3ba@gumby.homeunix.com> <55F2B8A3-F398-4A78-964D-11D0DAC6BB46@kreme.com> <20181205215559.734d576dff61d5a22e3ea014@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20181205215559.734d576dff61d5a22e3ea014@sohara.org> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:40:34 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Files in / To: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D6E086E761 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.20 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.60)[-0.596,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.36)[-0.359,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt1.aspmx.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.4.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.18)[-0.185,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.25)[ip: (4.16), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.54), asn: 15169(-1.30), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:41:13 -0000 # 11.2 EC2 kernconf for t2 and m5 instance types # most cruft removed, probably could be smaller cpu HAMMER ident MAMELON # /etc/make.conf should have: # KERNCONF=3DMAMELON # NO_MODULES=3DTRUE options SCHED_ULE # ULE scheduler options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET # InterNETworking options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols options IPSEC # IP (v4/v6) security options TCP_OFFLOAD # TCP offload options SCTP # Stream Control Transmission Protocol options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories options QUOTA # Enable disk quotas for UFS options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework options GEOM_PART_GPT # GUID Partition Tables. options GEOM_ELI options GEOM_LABEL # Provides labelization options SCSI_DELAY=3D5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SC= SI options STACK # stack(9) support options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=3D128 # Prevent printf output being interspersed. options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options HWPMC_HOOKS # Necessary kernel hooks for hwpmc(4) options CAPABILITY_MODE # Capsicum capability mode options CAPABILITIES # Capsicum capabilities options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE # Include this file in kernel options RCTL # Resource limits options RACCT options COMPAT_LINUX32 options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Make an SMP-capable kernel by default options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options DEVICE_NUMA # I/O Device Affinity options EARLY_AP_STARTUP options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=3D100 options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT options IPFIREWALL_NAT options LIBALIAS options DUMMYNET options ROUTETABLES=3D16 device cpufreq device coretemp # Bus support. device acpi options ACPI_DMAR device pci device scbus # SCSI bus (required for ATA/SCSI) device da # Direct Access (disks) device pass # Passthrough device (direct ATA/SCSI access) device ses # Enclosure Services (SES and SAF-TE) #device ctl # CAM Target Layer # crypto support device crypto device cryptodev device nvme # base NVMe driver device nvd # expose NVMe namespaces as disks, depends on nvme device ena # m5, c5, etc. device enc # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard device psm # PS/2 mouse device kbdmux # keyboard multiplexer # vt is the new video console driver device vt device vt_vga device vt_efifb # Pseudo devices. device loop # Network loopback device random # Entropy device device padlock_rng # VIA Padlock RNG device rdrand_rng # Intel Bull Mountain RNG device ether # Ethernet support device vlan # 802.1Q VLAN support device tun # Packet tunnel. device md # Memory "disks" device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling device firmware # firmware assist module device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # VirtIO support device virtio # Generic VirtIO bus (required) device virtio_pci # VirtIO PCI device device vtnet # VirtIO Ethernet device device virtio_blk # VirtIO Block device device virtio_scsi # VirtIO SCSI device device virtio_balloon # VirtIO Memory Balloon device # HyperV drivers device hyperv # HyperV drivers # Xen HVM Guest Optimizations # NOTE: XENHVM depends on xenpci. They must be added or removed together. options XENHVM # Xen HVM kernel infrastructure device xenpci # Xen HVM Hypervisor services driver ###########################################################################= ##### # 11.2 kernconf for PCEngines # CPU: AMD GX-412TC SOC (998.16-MHz K8-class CPU) # FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 4 core(s) cpu HAMMER ident MAMELON # /etc/make.conf should have: # KERNCONF=3DMAMELON # NO_MODULES=3DTRUE options SCHED_ULE # ULE scheduler options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET # InterNETworking options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols options IPSEC # IP (v4/v6) security options TCP_OFFLOAD # TCP offload options SCTP # Stream Control Transmission Protocol options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories options QUOTA # Enable disk quotas for UFS options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework options TMPFS options GEOM_PART_GPT # GUID Partition Tables. options GEOM_ELI options GEOM_LABEL # Provides labelization options SCSI_DELAY=3D5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SC= SI options STACK # stack(9) support options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=3D128 # Prevent printf output being interspersed. options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options HWPMC_HOOKS # Necessary kernel hooks for hwpmc(4) options CAPABILITY_MODE # Capsicum capability mode options CAPABILITIES # Capsicum capabilities options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE # Include this file in kernel options RCTL # Resource limits options RACCT options COMPAT_LINUX32 options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Make an SMP-capable kernel by default options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options DEVICE_NUMA # I/O Device Affinity options EARLY_AP_STARTUP device ahci # AHCI-compatible SATA controllers device uart # Generic UART driver options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=3D100 options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT options IPFIREWALL_NAT options LIBALIAS options DUMMYNET options ROUTETABLES=3D16 device cpufreq device coretemp device amdtemp # Bus support. device acpi options ACPI_DMAR device pci device scbus # SCSI bus (required for ATA/SCSI) device da # Direct Access (disks) device pass # Passthrough device (direct ATA/SCSI access) device ses # Enclosure Services (SES and SAF-TE) device ctl # CAM Target Layer # crypto support device crypto device cryptodev device igb # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard device psm # PS/2 mouse device kbdmux # keyboard multiplexer # vt is the new video console driver device vt device vt_vga device vt_efifb # MMC/SD device mmc # MMC/SD bus device mmcsd # MMC/SD memory card device sdhci # Generic PCI SD Host Controller # USB support options USB_DEBUG # enable debug msgs device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) device xhci # XHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 3.0) device usb # USB Bus (required) device ukbd # Keyboard device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da # Pseudo devices. device loop # Network loopback device random # Entropy device device padlock_rng # VIA Padlock RNG device rdrand_rng # Intel Bull Mountain RNG device ether # Ethernet support device vlan # 802.1Q VLAN support device tun # Packet tunnel. device md # Memory "disks" device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling device firmware # firmware assist module device bpf # Berkeley packet filter On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 1:59 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 10:04:14 -0800 > Michael Sierchio wrote: > > > Custom monolithic kernels are > > > > 8260 /boot/kernel/ > > > > (yes, that is a boast) > > Wow reminds me of 1.1 days (actually that would be huge by 1.1 > standards the boxes I ran then only had 16MB of RAM) - still impressive. > > Care to share the config file ? It must be close to minimal. > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 5 22:44:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9481329648 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 22:44:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6BC6E9A2 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 22:44:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1651718049 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 16:44:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Advice on backups To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 16:44:40 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DD6BC6E9A2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.897,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.71)[-0.714,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[kicp.uchicago.edu,cosmo.uchicago.edu]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.57)[-0.566,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:44:48 -0000 On 12/5/18 4:29 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > I manage a couple of servers on the internet. There are no backup or > test servers, so I have to do everything on live systems that are > serving webpages, handling mail, etc. > > Historically, I've used rsync and ssh to backup server1 to server2 and > vice versa. I decided I would prefer an offsite backup system in case > both servers failed at the same time, and because server2 was running > out of space because of backups. I used bacula for quite long, and recently I'm gradually switching to bacula's fork: bareos. I really recommend bareos (or bacula), it is real backup, open source, enterprise level quality, etc... And yes, I did have to recover stuff, including versions on particular date etc. I hope, this helps. Valeri > > So, I setup some scripts to create gzipped tarballs and transfer those > to my Dropbox account. (I have plenty of space there.) I run the scripts > daily, and the files are named with the date of the backup (e.g. > 120518.websites.tgz) > > On the webserver, I'm backing up /usr/local/www, /etc, and > /usr/local/etc. I've also created a backup directory in my home > directory where I put copies of all the scripts I run, plus a text file > of crontab and a few other things. I then zipped that and copied it to > Dropbox as well. I don't have a script for it, because those things > don't change that often. > > Am I missing anything important? I tested untarring one of the tarballs > into my home directory, and if I understand it correctly, I would need > to untar these in / if I ever need to restore anything. > > Paul Schmehl, Retired > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions > are my own and not those of my employer. > ******************************************* > "It is as useless to argue with those who have > renounced the use of reason as to administer > medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson > "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very > intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 5 23:23:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571C3132A30F for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 23:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CB236FC2C for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 23:23:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com with SMTP id w203so5810087ybg.3 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 15:23:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vyEe18+d4BPjiJZaJWwcsKd4fwnN+HpQNp2wmps0Mds=; b=MMBxOv60TtyD/frsAcLNOI4IorrENKi7eXxQO4G7vrAgBDgAgIT3dmYufU1BHsuk1Y DMEhTnKxAIC0BlokAIietDYfeGOY1qvxBW0B2k3BMAev/pi5gMuyee450C6uvO27PEWY faFdu49GyONBF1+U8DpuSijZIcq10JyV2PpIApgzxIrDynnHdXdDBIjdz0jVHbiLgCPF lzFPCUrCTJyegb4zGuDfXoC/Ht8tFnFvcu1f/BTE/r7cT6fdT9+cYMvq+EJl7ZOVEj+F TNvsjbdni72ViyFJC2//By4vAWS1/SOoC/Oc/76Z9wkeAZ2QJvz+e8ie+jE5V20iAr7p 5pPw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vyEe18+d4BPjiJZaJWwcsKd4fwnN+HpQNp2wmps0Mds=; b=KlljBlZGqIAXgqBUCPF5F7G0WdDm7uXVILQKRN10BKc9FXJUgxLNiOATQsUd2lDDDT mmSYOGoirFw5xDXR/oAefQH8S9yk+LPTJXSRQH+dcIfkBhSzTyG69+GSChp+/2cRH/Ue cgCPTLf5XzkwgPPgpfwCk23iS2MqgpyQRz6KvKFMwANBlPZBX+t07JF/QhE11oCYP8TT mqyOtkrMd7Ts1lL3PbqODBQXaNsO5VhRA4BbXR9R61RhBZh6hpN7S6Unwdx38F6yuN25 GOkpWundaXMV9VnUzYBHv2b5t0Odim/EDNz/R8mxtLpR84eqgQrjBLk2lD8P90s4USpR bVQg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWY8nrk7TNCzp9LsSqzNw0fGFdCFYy5DBBXiWuKE33sIYWN8arTK R9Sc5Mqf5zDgaIqunqDtrY7FD0mp3V9q0U5lgNLd3g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/VwWX6s1tmfBGl6iiv7s29pEYLb8Ba8a9ljG71P7oEZ8NGS7iu/8yzDqxTzlJZoBt5SNE2xvaPXiAK/HM1BqgQ= X-Received: by 2002:a25:3005:: with SMTP id w5-v6mr25636270ybw.365.1544052191754; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 15:23:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: William Dudley Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 18:22:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Advice on backups To: pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com Cc: freebsd-questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6CB236FC2C X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[d.2.b.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; IP_SCORE(-0.59)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.54), asn: 15169(-1.30), country: US(-0.09)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.977,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 23:23:13 -0000 I'd also suggest backing up /usr/local/etc/apache24/sites-available or wherever you keep the conf files that describe each domain you host. Bill Dudley another small-time web host This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 5:30 PM Paul Schmehl wrote: > I manage a couple of servers on the internet. There are no backup or test > servers, so I have to do everything on live systems that are serving > webpages, handling mail, etc. > > Historically, I've used rsync and ssh to backup server1 to server2 and > vice > versa. I decided I would prefer an offsite backup system in case both > servers failed at the same time, and because server2 was running out of > space because of backups. > > So, I setup some scripts to create gzipped tarballs and transfer those to > my Dropbox account. (I have plenty of space there.) I run the scripts > daily, and the files are named with the date of the backup (e.g. > 120518.websites.tgz) > > On the webserver, I'm backing up /usr/local/www, /etc, and /usr/local/etc. > I've also created a backup directory in my home directory where I put > copies of all the scripts I run, plus a text file of crontab and a few > other things. I then zipped that and copied it to Dropbox as well. I don't > have a script for it, because those things don't change that often. > > Am I missing anything important? I tested untarring one of the tarballs > into my home directory, and if I understand it correctly, I would need to > untar these in / if I ever need to restore anything. > > Paul Schmehl, Retired > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions > are my own and not those of my employer. > ******************************************* > "It is as useless to argue with those who have > renounced the use of reason as to administer > medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson > "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very > intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 6 01:56:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57847132F61C for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 01:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0300D75700 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 01:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MCKJw-1ge6oY1V2o-009P9U; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 02:56:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 02:56:02 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Paul Schmehl Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Advice on backups Message-Id: <20181206025602.8843eb11.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:wKXeriuNZ+gIVHdGfIojIwYqFJ+WLBY8ighlObggiy46QvAXdU3 3B8D0SOdqd5oCIFFc13pFWs5zi6tqjYHwlP6Cne96Gpm9o/pSPqdbE/PMOzd//7Mo7OwMy/ W5SrAE1xhmmmNC6Q7EgwwL8ZMey4FxSt5uOHa7xoHnTHWRI4gCu7WJYSBrGxLzecdAG/zHq dVatsVyO7VRwdOvQhEqlg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:C6LYQklUslE=:7yeogA09DOwYTlpo4h/j6U bMaG3VTq16kqjrGSuKR6isC4+XecYJrUewT2v9cgNGEEsBiMxoBrlThdKnJsbCqzKs0NS35qV GPEYftzEcoi/IvJcUuxFPKmB/hBC1KgfIPmZMy7Z65HsYrto4ReaAe+Y/AQKff743oSGaj3Ug canwtPWU9ki83BGoqQVcceXvzYWnR+LGvPsF6lw0Aqj+5kjSZVYGOs5Tk57dG8UzzEvAzcIrl rWkTBjNH9YcV+613BG5HDKsSjbXu2Txr+ePhp6WrwIbieNTJHjp1AjeUCXM3tldKCpqXdZ6S9 Z4VgM69O2bZORvXhxo5FG7Kb67slSwWFjXQBtryDluULAyZ3f9d7H/d0uslAcX2fjDMOwlhyR MdDK/iFbu/j4FHIdCJZCsUTi816aMnxAkyZXHz2pFLhW9ePv5WIMTLw0K28YSFRa4Juz7VNv1 45fZkrvJDDhf+CtBIPuRbFozfbmrsGflFQTvNqadoF7Nj7u1qncZoJYQHWuZdmqjMx902wtda Ol8UPe4zm20Li1eyHmNrQNo0ejrQoFgj/1dFa5qIo+bF/OruFIxnpEoQFmq2DLMw9ocI+UorI 1INx6+Py9SzRA+ifHw3MQWbHzkYexQLXKcJxMXO9EFxvwFsrHGn4Y2+eN2997KgmrDCLNTZcf XX504rfpA/Bj31hSodx7GcT4NmeL3Zg3M2bC7NMkaXkkwN59Js6lgVQAL0tK2QRo6Npk2PXcU xxdJCZ5BUixLaQIiTE/E4MULIm09ZypBhMCGjuXiLIKYbNvouWS5IULCRuI= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0300D75700 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.28 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx01.schlund.de,mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.57)[-0.575,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(-0.13)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.58), asn: 8560(-0.05), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.977,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[13.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 01:56:16 -0000 On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:29:28 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > So, I setup some scripts to create gzipped tarballs and transfer those to > my Dropbox account. (I have plenty of space there.) I run the scripts > daily, and the files are named with the date of the backup (e.g. > 120518.websites.tgz) > [...] > I've also created a backup directory in my home directory where I put > copies of all the scripts I run, plus a text file of crontab and a few > other things. I then zipped that and copied it to Dropbox as well. I don't > have a script for it, because those things don't change that often. A little suggestion that originates from ye olden times when CVS was common: Create a repository for your configuration files, use directory structures and "common" for the individual hosts. Keep track of changes you might appy. Make backups of the CVS directory tree, typically as a (compressed) tarball. With this method, you can quickly access any host's configuration from any (revision) date you need, and CVS commit messages might help you find what you need, e. g., the reason why you changed something. And if you deleted your working copy accidentally, it's no problem to check out a new instance from the CVS repository. Today, people of course use Subversion or probably Git, on GitHub... ;-) > Am I missing anything important? I tested untarring one of the tarballs > into my home directory, and if I understand it correctly, I would need to > untar these in / if I ever need to restore anything. Make sure tar archives restore _all_ file and directory properties as they are present in the source. The advantage of a tar archive is that you can also obtain _selected_ parts from the archive, if you don't need the whole one. For an exact 1:1 copy of filesystem content, I still suggest using dump + restore. Those can also be used comfortably via SSH. It is neccessary to pay attention to dumping from live filesystems, i. e, those which are in a r/w state (and not r/o or unmounted). See "man dump" and "man restore" for details. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 6 02:04:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E71132FB86 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 02:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carson@wistly.net) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2858475CFC for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 02:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carson@wistly.net) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E15220E4 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 21:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 05 Dec 2018 21:04:52 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wistly.net; h= mime-version:to:from:subject:date:content-type:message-id; s= fm2; bh=yuSCSjsr1DI8JFIizDNhuTkcp85dw+cXaYFaViwMmzE=; b=aTBdZAcw xFOOBBgwYYAqZGACOPwfXAVwDPBG7xFfO/cn7ugNiWkdf2g6mDT+BsLMpD37vVGj CH0GmrcNPBH18nOr800sNduYbsJIiaE9xjywys4QFT+0iGErNGuOzJfuZ9eD5Dwj J4UsmlZCea+2mPNLR9OUmZD4+jTSeIh95Rf5IgH3JzIA1Csc4VLZJFiehH2+uM5r wwgsrRJDkBTxspIWoNdCXJrqX+hRuk7zV1J5VtPFg6h66sP4OhMPwk6Y/AFkp7bU RumCHR5YeWh58p4aM48ypcqM7OTTiYhUo7icOJCXgRLFCPxNTPfHAKctYkbWKXPk 0qzmlIrZeQQUWg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=yuSCSjsr1DI8JFIizDNhuTkcp85dw +cXaYFaViwMmzE=; b=NcKBICZy7UJt0gBIl+p34AvGH+pBYa6giXpHPU2/gQpbC zITPfKk9/xGAysESqzLbmgvxbkNTNODwBVk6bbrVYPoV2elSHkjVrwTqiWddUP4H ZDe3sssyFD45y7r7h7sce4rIt6Lq7kCqF/Fro0nz/hU4rLtj0m8bVy3gjnYaXV8y i0J6PtWYOwl+8bevRIFI8C+i8hS8oG6LL5fDU8jZtVNzu5Eb6SstbH91TR+Nn/j9 rbWDVitXLJX5etUkgWDE90D6fpPMcNCIko2JxUntVhv7BhwMdhx1jMR2tGLCch48 2EgBIyTWUE/y5OWjXNtfkDI97IZNbKzOg7u+Lyr2w== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.18] (96-87-186-169-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.87.186.169]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DE4E9103AC for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 21:04:51 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Carson Chittom Subject: can't copy files >= 1M to NFS share Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 20:04:52 -0600 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <20181206020451.DE4E9103AC@mailuser.nyi.internal> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2858475CFC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.26 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[wistly.net,messagingengine.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.25]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[wistly.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[wistly.net:+,messagingengine.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.91)[-0.914,0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[25.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-1.73)[ipnet: 66.111.4.0/24(-4.74), asn: 11403(-3.84), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 02:04:55 -0000 I've got an 11.2 system acting as my media server. I'm successfully exporti= ng the directory which contains the media files via NFS, so that they're accessible on my workstation, which is running Windows 10 Pro. I ca= n read the files fine from the Windows machine using the built-in Microsoft NFS client, and I can create directories, new files, and so forth= from the Windows machine in the share. The issue is that I can't copy any files greater than or equal to 1M from t= he Windows system to the NFS share. I confirmed this by using dd to create a file which is 1023k, which I was able to copy, and one which is= 1024k, which I was not. I get the same behavior whether I try to drag-and-drop into the NFS share, copy-and-paste, or using "copy" in the Wi= ndows Command Prompt. The error that Windows immediately gives me is "Error 0x8007045D: The request could not be performed because of an I/O dev= ice error." (And again, I *don't* get this error if the file is under 1M.) I've done some web searches, and there's a fair amount of that particular e= rror code--but nothing that I saw seemed directly relevant (mostly about timeouts...but I'm getting the error immediately). Maybe I'm= just bad at Google. My /etc/exports is unexceptional, literally just the line: /usr/local/plexdata -mapall=3Dplex Unfortunately, I don't have another system to hand to test mounting the sha= re. So at this point, I'm not sure where to poke. Is this something I can address from the FreeBSD side? A limitation of the Windows NFS client?= Some unfortunate combination of them? If anybody can point me in the right direction, I'd be appreciative. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 6 02:51:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1344F1332012 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 02:51:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x333.google.com (mail-wm1-x333.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::333]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E928177C04 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 02:51:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x333.google.com with SMTP id y139so15189401wmc.5 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 18:51:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=j3GaqArIIou3aF+lUGR6wMg0d0pUAsaT+IkjKvTW7ms=; b=jBxXwIAgqmSMGPYVr6CR9w0StxOmH4wCr7NQnZiLDYhwu6nN1XlHx3/pZDOb/GH7rZ RWK89gioKfpwctOFM3lAU28Ai7xaT+PPQ7FUZ7wUMxyGOoJybK6o3pFhK1Gb5C4CF8NA xJlW0jiCqCU6qpTaJmYyFgQsmsjFqvICDdFfSQmubvVDMdAujkErjdAI/u9acfxIPaie d/XaFEwpHDPjzjXF97j+Y/6x+yed/ZYCCcblTMznfAAF25RWfOj62n6HK21HDfofNMMq zQ/uOVDERo3PMdyzf92VRVDtq0UycgsBGc7A6wE3wr/QyJT89YZkNhO26ROu48ZgFtWW HiYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=j3GaqArIIou3aF+lUGR6wMg0d0pUAsaT+IkjKvTW7ms=; b=qov/nbhEb3xcPf3AcFiuHZx++cJxQHV76udcDnHkMgierOwNf8L9y+77aqs4UQj3eE /musbJDjftUjFk8JRHL5RKlaKHA0TaXwHxrhijM2eQqyH2cqwChimIDY4+5tPqLuUX+S X303+NtA8S2F8xTt9SqHO1U7SnaU1Z44YWSqgQD8kSFDf/cQKj47TqiaN+eUf04ELw8M ET/nNO22LAucm1u3WB1Gjn5vnilvSyXPHN+QqiG7vZDIliPi6rLEyqm3trK1sQYmJ+t7 CXK1xIiQopYfmzYM5LVIXCefycwG2zgD0sTvZ5io52p6nBa7VQnrtdyKBw3l8bOYJSpZ cLYA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZzWzI1arjedjAjz3obORFuDN7Wp/nRJ+CzzBIQDkaYeVQ+tccy Cn0JD5vuMQN3rCJ3Xg7LUcs6DdAucvkSacwIoEo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/WdOM5ji3blFdQMt29pbT7D/lTm0WpYyo81iVjRAo1vjn7vFHoh6CK0GAOCM5+edZq91eUQc2arfHJ5Az33CzM= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:8acd:: with SMTP id m196mr8989849wmd.120.1544064662725; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 18:51:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181206025602.8843eb11.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20181206025602.8843eb11.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Outback Dingo Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 09:50:25 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Advice on backups To: freebsd@edvax.de Cc: pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E928177C04 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.41 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.40)[ip: (-9.10), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.52), asn: 15169(-1.31), country: US(-0.09)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 02:51:05 -0000 On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:38 AM Polytropon wrote: > > On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:29:28 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > > So, I setup some scripts to create gzipped tarballs and transfer those to > > my Dropbox account. (I have plenty of space there.) I run the scripts > > daily, and the files are named with the date of the backup (e.g. > > 120518.websites.tgz) > > [...] > > I've also created a backup directory in my home directory where I put > > copies of all the scripts I run, plus a text file of crontab and a few > > other things. I then zipped that and copied it to Dropbox as well. I don't > > have a script for it, because those things don't change that often. > > A little suggestion that originates from ye olden times > when CVS was common: > > Create a repository for your configuration files, use > directory structures and "common" for the individual > hosts. Keep track of changes you might appy. Make > backups of the CVS directory tree, typically as a > (compressed) tarball. With this method, you can > quickly access any host's configuration from any > (revision) date you need, and CVS commit messages > might help you find what you need, e. g., the reason > why you changed something. And if you deleted your > working copy accidentally, it's no problem to check > out a new instance from the CVS repository. > > Today, people of course use Subversion or probably > Git, on GitHub... ;-) > > > > > Am I missing anything important? I tested untarring one of the tarballs > > into my home directory, and if I understand it correctly, I would need to > > untar these in / if I ever need to restore anything. > > Make sure tar archives restore _all_ file and directory > properties as they are present in the source. The advantage > of a tar archive is that you can also obtain _selected_ > parts from the archive, if you don't need the whole one. > > For an exact 1:1 copy of filesystem content, I still > suggest using dump + restore. Those can also be used > comfortably via SSH. It is neccessary to pay attention > to dumping from live filesystems, i. e, those which are > in a r/w state (and not r/o or unmounted). See "man dump" > and "man restore" for details. :-) > > have you tried restic for backups ? its quite nice and featureful https://restic.net/ > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 6 04:06:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487D0130C269 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 04:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from va6bmj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2a.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C23C7AD75 for ; 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Wed, 05 Dec 2018 20:06:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:57da:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 20:06:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20181204202918.64f6e9eb.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> <20181203184153.b37810d9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181204183621.9358c17e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181204202918.64f6e9eb.freebsd@edvax.de> From: B J Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 04:06:45 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9C23C7AD75 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.56 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-2.55)[ip: (-9.82), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.55), asn: 15169(-1.32), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 04:06:47 -0000 I've done some more tinkering and this is what I have so far: - I start with xterm when I run startx - the pull-down menus appear to work - I can change settings, such as the desktop background, through Control Center - the display still insists it's at 1280 x 1024 when it's supposed default to 1024 x 768, but I can change it with xrandr - at the suggestion of several sources, including what was on the URLs I sent, I added the following to /etc/fstab: proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 I'm not sure if that made any difference (I recall having to add something like that in earlier versions of FreeBSD/Gnome, but that didn't seem to be necessary for my other installations) - I'm able to run applications such as Firefox and VLC, but those were already installed and configured under Xfce - external drives, such as a USB stick, don't appear to mount - I can drag windows, files, and directories, but the response is slow I also got this following message in the xterm window: ** (mate-settings-daemon:868): WARNING **: : There was a problem when setting QT_SCALE_FACTOR=1: GDBus.Error:org.gnome.SessionManager.NotInInitialization: Setenv interface is only available during the Initialization phase This libgtop was complied on FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p5 amd64 If you see strange problems caused by it, you should recompile kibgtop and dependent applications. [1544066549,000,xklavier.c:xkl_engine_start_listen/] I'm not sure what to make of it. I appear to be making some progress, but I'm not sure what else to check. Close, but no cigar, as they say. B. M. 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NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[osfux.nl]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 08:37:58 -0000 Hi Paul, On 12/5/18 11:29 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > I manage a couple of servers on the internet. There are no backup or Stuff snipped > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Are you using ZFS on those servers? If so, I would definately consider implementing some sort of snapshotting scheme (using zxfer and zfsnap) for your backups. Also, are you only using apache data? A lot of webservers are running with stuff like Mysql / Elasticsearch "nowadays". 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I do what you are doing all the while between FreeBSD machines. Except that there is the target full or quotas limit the receiving side. Erich On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 20:04:52 -0600 Carson Chittom wrote: > I've got an 11.2 system acting as my media server. I'm successfully > exporting the directory which contains the media files via NFS, so > that they're accessible on my workstation, which is running Windows > 10 Pro. I can read the files fine from the Windows machine using the > built-in Microsoft NFS client, and I can create directories, new > files, and so forth from the Windows machine in the share. > > The issue is that I can't copy any files greater than or equal to 1M > from the Windows system to the NFS share. I confirmed this by using > dd to create a file which is 1023k, which I was able to copy, and one > which is 1024k, which I was not. I get the same behavior whether I > try to drag-and-drop into the NFS share, copy-and-paste, or using > "copy" in the Windows Command Prompt. The error that Windows > immediately gives me is "Error 0x8007045D: The request could not be > performed because of an I/O device error." (And again, I *don't* get > this error if the file is under 1M.) > > I've done some web searches, and there's a fair amount of that > particular error code--but nothing that I saw seemed directly > relevant (mostly about timeouts...but I'm getting the error > immediately). Maybe I'm just bad at Google. > > My /etc/exports is unexceptional, literally just the line: > > /usr/local/plexdata -mapall=plex > > Unfortunately, I don't have another system to hand to test mounting > the share. So at this point, I'm not sure where to poke. Is this > something I can address from the FreeBSD side? A limitation of the > Windows NFS client? Some unfortunate combination of them? > > If anybody can point me in the right direction, I'd be appreciative. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 6 09:15:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA261324C59 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 09:15:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuripv@yuripv.net) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8CDE8818C for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 09:15:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuripv@yuripv.net) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC42221E9; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carson Chittom wrote: > I've got an 11.2 system acting as my media server. I'm successfully exp= orting the directory which contains the media files via NFS, so that > they're accessible on my workstation, which is running Windows 10 Pro. = I can read the files fine from the Windows machine using the built-in > Microsoft NFS client, and I can create directories, new files, and so f= orth from the Windows machine in the share. >=20 > The issue is that I can't copy any files greater than or equal to 1M fr= om the Windows system to the NFS share. I confirmed this by using dd > to create a file which is 1023k, which I was able to copy, and one whic= h is 1024k, which I was not. I get the same behavior whether I try to > drag-and-drop into the NFS share, copy-and-paste, or using "copy" in th= e Windows Command Prompt. The error that Windows immediately gives me is= > "Error 0x8007045D: The request could not be performed because of an I/O= device error." (And again, I *don't* get this error if the file is unde= r 1M.) >=20 > I've done some web searches, and there's a fair amount of that particul= ar error code--but nothing that I saw seemed directly relevant > (mostly about timeouts...but I'm getting the error immediately). Maybe= I'm just bad at Google. >=20 > My /etc/exports is unexceptional, literally just the line: >=20 > /usr/local/plexdata -mapall=3Dplex >=20 > Unfortunately, I don't have another system to hand to test mounting the= share. So at this point, I'm not sure where to poke. Is this something = I > can address from the FreeBSD side? A limitation of the Windows NFS cli= ent? Some unfortunate combination of them? >=20 > If anybody can point me in the right direction, I'd be appreciative. FWIW, I just tried this from Windows 10 Pro (Version 1803 OS Build 17134.441) to FreeBSD-12.1 and FreeBSD 13-CURRENT, and I'm NOT seeing the issue (actually I was able to copy a 2GB file), so apparently it's not windows nfs client limitation. --FMcj7egAs6rZs9m5puxXfi2TUJviE9QSu-- --iZObXB8EpF8cfh0ubJD1mqul1jOnxOEnF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+Gq3PsPeLT4tL/9wk4vgf7Eq4WwFAlwI6KcACgkQk4vgf7Eq 4WyClAf/Qw8raM8GgXN3araWLfTkD4qLSTEl54iSTsfw7cCoch13VaCMpP2v7t/R RpO2cs3ySzcS5PNDi5Hs6q3IVL2Rql9l+XPWXFtpTfW4jyLhTlQZHdt43MKHCB1H gQ71JWyQj4BP9XrCMAPYRhFKCfiTzpZCc2JCj5/fwmgZ3SaaDhktuRTiwy7aCSiD Pjj/pC9CRGM1+rqMnyHUA6ehV9CNy6e6rHt7yg41vcn2NFcvl/sLRI4OUbyQQBNl Ozxk5Yp0UpgxhmK0S2miovO+Gx7tOnTJg+KpvvnuapZjFlvp4grrnvseVH8KZqUy b1kSlVh0CIcX9GmifA7jTU1NuO0w6w== =EOIo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iZObXB8EpF8cfh0ubJD1mqul1jOnxOEnF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 6 14:34:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BBAE13301CB for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 14:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it1-x130.google.com (mail-it1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D8096F072 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 14:34:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it1-x130.google.com with SMTP id o19so1594291itg.5 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 06:34:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=S0ZZLtay+NMyaxg7juIDbFHzRAJ735SXJ1dCUcQD5NM=; b=Mr7q++I/xH00z7fJwcRbt6qaucseWNFLmTE3qIO1198ksagSBgU/BuqG7zTr7Y84hp T8chuy9kCir4dCxQI1FDwb5Pvf1iBIC9Ygk+19mruI4c634k2cD6b+AmmsyQJWE3Xzkz InSk5aZd08o6s2iMIv+++ZSjkp3DBth6vjdzR7WKJ6w7kzzjNYoE/2FPBwa2zejrRpFr JP7/E3n2oO3WyE2BVKkiJmiclI5H6LIXOARLO/JVGXY5kqgv+UFYkrrj15uZQZZE/4J9 jZspKQ9qi7vKA9X9yAngIkNbtOd6Jl5RW4i26/Za6GYDMek9S3+z6UMmT30yJRKh5Oa8 86Qw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=S0ZZLtay+NMyaxg7juIDbFHzRAJ735SXJ1dCUcQD5NM=; b=HxUc8GuGY2Ta0C+cVNjL/cCp7t1BgrH/3xuMSA+rGesnbi425iZVB9NPPz3oJT+cHD hEmUosXJ5/lEUVOtRYflT0mhVuMHXHDyItlwqK6XnC7lUSuf5LHSg1X6wUG3HtN9LPp8 pOfy4s1Ob5JZIO9vcbxhdSo1a+RMKa4sv+0czgdRS7Ve5e4XDK3k7Aph0cFqWdyTB3Fb Koaa4XC94AHBvhfbpVca0S8cU6IsConQWrWGbn4NsFQkv8XDZdqD5DtiZT3AA5IDHOqs xQcdRgdqrl4V/E88zguy2fJsT2KrDFU1hnGaBesyjezQhiV13zDSXp7S7cVgi1WUqO4u 5xxA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbFhEZJ9D9m/rbP04P/yrSQH2HlzMlCj1fucOTMos/xxvpISrkm h1Ht4mYJZRGMH5USruglGC2rUYbs X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UZEwKYggrcHauHvLE4C53Z414Z4ey1prDW6Jz3X6h8kNBurwVo/yQie8+ndwT3huesri3yzw== X-Received: by 2002:a24:eb0b:: with SMTP id h11mr19064079itj.138.1544106867201; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 06:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (50-243-4-3-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. 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Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:07:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1033B784BE for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id Uy3ggpQptP088Uy3jg8bKz; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:07:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:07:32 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: Ruben , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advice on backups Message-ID: <621C323D0BC19E195684F522@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> In-Reply-To: <9e6d88c8-8d0a-1415-d1db-33be8f7d713b@osfux.nl> References: <9e6d88c8-8d0a-1415-d1db-33be8f7d713b@osfux.nl> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBuFd2mcEzKZwfQ0od6ZWLnfnEtiDUT4mWDHZjMf7ET2urJW7zzLUzI5EOncQg2x/7jvbIgcsyWixXmG40Ibl4hNAmvjubhuPgKZ0HZs9R6rE3bo121y VUQqaUZQOJKJFs4KLwCMNXZHTSz/h9sJ7jY1GDsXJ98e/BEgbA8A493Lvju13D62HtaqXWvXXb8GXGMQBruGKh5RsC/z++xnWdVSGgkTOh9YmRqWMMFMkXp3 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1033B784BE X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.31 / 15.00]; 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There are no backup or > > Stuff snipped > > > Are you using ZFS on those servers? If so, I would definately consider > implementing some sort of snapshotting scheme (using zxfer and zfsnap) > for your backups. > One of the servers I manage runs zfs, but I confess the technology is a mystery to me. I tried and failed to wrap my head around using it for backups. > Also, are you only using apache data? A lot of webservers are running > with stuff like Mysql / Elasticsearch "nowadays". > I use mysql, and I've been backing up the dbs to Dropbox for quite a while now. I do not use Elasticsearch. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." 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charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 11:40:40 -0600 > Brian Wood wrote: >=20 >> Shalom >> >> This page >> https://www.unix.com/man-page/freebsd/3/openlog/ >> >> lists >> #include >> #include >> >> as includes on a FreeBSD system. On Linux there's >> no mention of stdarg.h. I was wondering if stdarg.h >> is only needed on FreeBSD if you call vsyslog() and >=20 > That's correct, nothing about syslog needs you to include stdarg, > but you'll need the macros in there if you want to call vsyslog. Thanks for noticing it, should be fixed in r341639. --OJOzk3f7pCTVKUyv7FXC5NeRAN5sSEOKr-- --DGaegiSqBCE36AOudFCFWdW7wh9J8lyVS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+Gq3PsPeLT4tL/9wk4vgf7Eq4WwFAlwJaEkACgkQk4vgf7Eq 4WxvpAgAiIaFMF+RxQqq+EOmjEcP7Cz9oxFrpYSSdUt7949QfmZgNRmuP0YSmDeJ XW4PyZrKkeUL46tYgZddSPQzn1bBsZN5EwyBzorEF+gf36Wat6acsixqNI21pqcT CSYc/vCS6EiCb98VxDno94lFoTNgGICRfaRIRMm81vuxt/KSN2cJx9ReH2xECjch j9sMfp4E6G/p4wJ9AtiXOhMevETWNZbtDdd3ffIIX7m3W9V+tK4c3ePoMrS9N8Xw 6tqTC8RG9XdWNNs2HeTbe3oMdb//4s+9pXeIk9GO0as5+HiBVFd26FKJ3zLfDAYc JImu9O1NYL2uDmY88r7Mb6AlbAsizA== =58Ft -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DGaegiSqBCE36AOudFCFWdW7wh9J8lyVS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 6 18:21:15 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CCB130DFFE for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:21:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCD39790B4 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:21:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id UyGlgC7SwWnTiUyGogVYHS; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:21:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:21:03 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: Valeri Galtsev , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advice on backups Message-ID: <589EA4185A913E1F00EB8217@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfFsXnDNBk+LT4VeutOP8FUbjVxiqhnEhX/80sUS5rqkd3QdPOMKzvICgKXeITQ7IkhPQr66bpkLObUCE+OMbYepL+LscjPbNaWe2kzBa1zIbqSHjLpZW VKHJ441V+Ze7x5ZK4MMJnIUy6yECjc3IjTOnC0jbrd2m+VhaB+EWniPDr0yCDWcxb4DFjXECHzTv38qz8ecvjBRl/NMnCq+1R6QzWmYL+sb93iSctX1yReI2 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CCD39790B4 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.41 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[231.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.11)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-3.02), asn: 7843(-2.42), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:21:16 -0000 --On December 5, 2018 at 4:44:40 PM -0600 Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On 12/5/18 4:29 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> I manage a couple of servers on the internet. There are no backup or >> test servers, so I have to do everything on live systems that are >> serving webpages, handling mail, etc. > > I used bacula for quite long, and recently I'm gradually switching to > bacula's fork: bareos. I really recommend bareos (or bacula), it is real > backup, open source, enterprise level quality, etc... And yes, I did have > to recover stuff, including versions on particular date etc. > > I hope, this helps. > I used to be the port maintainer for bacula. The sites that I maintain do not change frequently enough to justify incremental backups, and the site owners don't even care if all the recent data is lost. So, once daily full backups are more than sufficient for my purposes. The idea isn't to capture every single change but simply to ensure that the sites will come back up after a failure. If I lost a hard drive, restoring from tarballs is fine, and any lost data would be lost permanently. These sites don't have the same needs as commercial or professional sites wrt backups and restoration. I once had to restore a site (lost a hard drive) over a dialup modem from 1,200 miles away, and while it took a really long time, it worked fine and no one noticed that anything was missing (including me.) Those backups were daily rsyncs stored on the second server. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 6 18:25:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB5B130E303 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:25:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 434B1796A6 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:25:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id UyKng8geXsismUyKrgPeUR; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:25:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:25:13 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: William Dudley cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Advice on backups Message-ID: <0E4C1610C610D1E55D51C767@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfKbbmBmEXavsxJGUVZNFE53KoA5zD3i1TYLCdrmOvXfBWp21H+fefIan143m+/FzD9ylhl9JcTVQ6pBxYPWV1/uPmv7khLDBYznwjmFNaFAaviOWGKs9 gb8tr3X/45Kj33ONHNWXQtpSNsEvrvkT0lZORNKN+ffPzUDFW1A8z26SjccyLtWHtfRvoXLUvv3Sr+kegSbrs8B6dVJXg4oXUj2mbi4lSpA9hPsw+VKPDvEh X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 434B1796A6 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[225.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.18)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-3.23), asn: 7843(-2.59), country: US(-0.09)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:25:20 -0000 --On December 5, 2018 at 6:22:46 PM -0500 William Dudley wrote: > > I'd also suggest backing up /usr/local/etc/apache24/sites-available or > wherever you keep > the conf files that describe each domain you host. > Tarballing /usr/local/etc captures everything under there, including conf files, startups scripts, etc. It's a relatively small size, so no point in getting granular. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 6 18:28:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B047B130E4C5 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:28:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F9377982F for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:28:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id UyO0gps46P088UyO4g8pJd; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:28:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:28:32 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: Polytropon cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Advice on backups Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20181206025602.8843eb11.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20181206025602.8843eb11.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGSPVJec+2PFpNpvMQ1FdRSIYPo0g5S7kpw0Hkboiq2gRlMDRDphrP+r0qWGhm6aPk+c2WoYqRpbmliO0UnsVuy2XhhaOT04c5WjXjCFXTtm2pOyI2o4 0Pu/Ixob2eRJQES/+KWhS6BuPp6g63pB21TkRGRUBeGg+rHGhNNilxmrcTdaRkQ2zkVsBl34I7t6IwAy59xmK+i1fDwHimdgETQHhRiPva/t5lXjbe5ClLKd X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0F9377982F X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.54 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[230.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.24)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-3.40), asn: 7843(-2.72), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:28:44 -0000 --On December 6, 2018 at 2:56:02 AM +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:29:28 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> So, I setup some scripts to create gzipped tarballs and transfer those >> to my Dropbox account. (I have plenty of space there.) I run the >> scripts daily, and the files are named with the date of the backup >> (e.g. 120518.websites.tgz) >> [...] >> I've also created a backup directory in my home directory where I put >> copies of all the scripts I run, plus a text file of crontab and a few >> other things. I then zipped that and copied it to Dropbox as well. I >> don't have a script for it, because those things don't change that >> often. > > A little suggestion that originates from ye olden times > when CVS was common: > > Create a repository for your configuration files, use > directory structures and "common" for the individual > hosts. Keep track of changes you might appy. Make > backups of the CVS directory tree, typically as a > (compressed) tarball. With this method, you can > quickly access any host's configuration from any > (revision) date you need, and CVS commit messages > might help you find what you need, e. g., the reason > why you changed something. And if you deleted your > working copy accidentally, it's no problem to check > out a new instance from the CVS repository. > > Today, people of course use Subversion or probably > Git, on GitHub... ;-) > > > >> Am I missing anything important? I tested untarring one of the tarballs >> into my home directory, and if I understand it correctly, I would need >> to untar these in / if I ever need to restore anything. > > Make sure tar archives restore _all_ file and directory > properties as they are present in the source. The advantage > of a tar archive is that you can also obtain _selected_ > parts from the archive, if you don't need the whole one. > > For an exact 1:1 copy of filesystem content, I still > suggest using dump + restore. Those can also be used > comfortably via SSH. It is neccessary to pay attention > to dumping from live filesystems, i. e, those which are > in a r/w state (and not r/o or unmounted). See "man dump" > and "man restore" for details. :-) Thanks for your suggestions. I use CVS on all conf files, so those are captured in the tarballs since they reside under the conf directories. I'll take a look at dump and restore. One concern I have is that I'm creating the backups on the system, so use of space during the process is a consideration. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." 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[65.25.62.234]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b5sm759778itc.44.2018.12.06.10.40.32 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Dec 2018 10:40:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5C096D20.3040305@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 13:40:32 -0500 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD current , "freebsd-jail@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: 12.0-RC3 vnet jail with pf firewall/NAT not working Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 54A9A79EC2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.89 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-1.90)[ip: (-6.57), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.52), asn: 15169(-1.31), country: US(-0.09)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.985,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:40:35 -0000 Have gateway host, (ie; host that is connected directly to the public internet.) running a vnet jail that has pf firewall running inside of it. When I start the vnet jail I see a few dhclient tasks auto start for vge0 which is the interface added as member to the bridge. I take this to mean that the vnet jails external network is configured correctly. Can not ping 8.8.8.8 from the vnet jails console. I can see the pf rules are loaded. But the pf log shows no traffic at all. Think problem is with the nat rule syntax or the nat function of pf is non-functional. Can not reach the public internet using this nat rule nat pass on epair2b inet from 10.0.20.10 to any -> xx.xx.xx.xx 10.0.20.10 is ip address assigned to the vnet jail xx.xx.xx.xx is the ip address assigned to the host by the isp. Also tried this with no joy nat pass on epair2b inet from 10.0.20.10 to any -> epair2b Anyone been able to get pf NAT to work in a live vnet jail in this manner? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 6 18:46:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D39130F052 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:46:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E02D87A5C2 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:46:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id UycqgCbMwWnTiUycugVnbN; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:43:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:43:51 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: Outback Dingo , freebsd@edvax.de cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advice on backups Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20181206025602.8843eb11.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfFKmAuE9jkCgbaW531N7GR9bxKQOV7kvHVhgE645yGRMj9kaLHrI9CrLZDj6+yME6JJJJN8QppxAarNbz2abNgEgElYIPv5CLZSsl0KxcE6jwUvbcPYB dgmHlS9AzAjr1gUg+36mCiZ5K7H+Tpvo5++Nodrc/AtKOrphXcFAvc4+FoPLezjwk3Wpw9n/8k5Oia7T4/uVgg8UbdLyXC8cAjg/oIxcCmf6+Mu7Kp5QDO/y D1KFWmXJznSklqWi4do1eOMEYhIIv89+1s4kNGfe9CE= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E02D87A5C2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.59 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.985,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[227.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.29)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-3.54), asn: 7843(-2.84), country: US(-0.09)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:46:40 -0000 --On December 6, 2018 at 9:50:25 AM +0700 Outback Dingo wrote: > > have you tried restic for backups ? its quite nice and featureful > > https://restic.net/ > I have not. I'll take a look. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 6 19:34:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0685F13104DE for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 19:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 128F47C7D2 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 19:34:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N4i3d-1hW02K3Ha3-011glN; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 20:34:31 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:34:30 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Paul Schmehl Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Advice on backups Message-Id: <20181206203430.a303b7c8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20181206025602.8843eb11.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:DwdazjRc5NMZh0FhfMzvIlnLUM5Rjfxwce3TwTAH+0muCCKz9Vg GLenSsZPJUgVTNZmm+cf9EVTKNNG2yI7ODr7VSiY0SndhiIcaJ7UzLpRja55uo/b8OZn13b 0p5KgVfp5ebI/ZXVSZrY4cR26TeywlM2fyEPfODZpYuasqxdihzJGjumjq+0MxOlj7JjsW+ pmgNn2I6uQdnfkOAmLxsQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:xwSyfVTyQl0=:9lRp+hDT4RET6xaujRM4db LKp+ncyEQC3/HtXGufWmCnMJTXW35OOXSsJ/FcfRVJgo87FVAYXoj3UDq4DPC6XN+D/arY8yt 0Sfk1MWswFS7JQ64n/vPEFat/yDmyZFOUC0S7BApvQMPMhs5kPCT4voaKNZJoEoCn4Xik5pzT xzTtzlkroV2/aljhZcMR4MiF9MC9pqm58DgO2xFlgxUSvJuo4PeuKlwVJh79ZG6dnPOnjaOho shackCLGSGKm1TvUvJMzUgeaDEVeOuPhg9XJk/BEJx7d7ielsB9yTUwWwR8J6X3UrgIGQw+Jm 8k8FgjcvnUqCS5GSfT+58YJtEM6mPJtQmBWIS4mbLYRJCtckzDpqr6WtaxhxgjHbyKukpp7vI BG0Et6zQPzWxI3IZfG7R/LkVZfyYtUcDz3RxesM+GuVL55XKcypc9iVDqMcBN7IBZtDT44wpP SjpT5EJ13QwkacZHjULit1jQPYUPkMZ7YDTPd1fpREvodPi9YALd7PhhVC6N4g5iEuPRSSR2O vQOFK2daLzOH848A5bJu2FrtyMtz269ZW69kOMtH4JtOPX8nL/ZLSoqSJNTjQUOcMueC5QJaH qaTYJe6Eok8s+0+BiEzcxsda3o+gmyuw2KnvbJEsysfszPpVkRAh2X+4eGwlGbXCLRsxlov2A YNgvLs7IqXF2jW13AJRCNPB4QLeaCKde9a92Eob2t/LN1PPuAoxP/EWS9w9pA2NK9LL5FmsJq QIERgbn+zyExwh5yw9fmJK9iNn76mVA3g2Or82XNR4P5/qP5gjEFNdHUTfg= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 128F47C7D2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.07 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(0.06)[ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.38), asn: 8560(-0.07), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.86)[-0.859,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.39)[0.392,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.91)[-0.912,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 19:34:46 -0000 On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:28:32 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > Thanks for your suggestions. I use CVS on all conf files, so those are > captured in the tarballs since they reside under the conf directories. Really? _That_ CVS? So I'm not the only remaining user... ;-) > I'll take a look at dump and restore. One concern I have is that I'm > creating the backups on the system, so use of space during the process is a > consideration. With dump, you can do full and incremental backups. Those tools are provided by the OS, so you don't need any specific external service. Being independent from 3rd party services is something I consider very important and useful. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:50:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Advice on backups To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <9e6d88c8-8d0a-1415-d1db-33be8f7d713b@osfux.nl> <621C323D0BC19E195684F522@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> From: Ruben Message-ID: <410bbeca-dc2b-e63a-d29a-c56241b11146@osfux.nl> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:50:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <621C323D0BC19E195684F522@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7965981018 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.46 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[osfux.nl]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.980,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[osfux.nl:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: transip.osfux.nl]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[osfux.nl,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.47)[-0.471,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[country: NL(0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34012, ipnet:79.99.184.0/21, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 20:50:59 -0000 Hi Paul, On 12/6/18 7:07 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On December 6, 2018 at 9:36:32 AM +0100 Ruben wrote: > >> > One of the servers I manage runs zfs, but I confess the technology is a > mystery to me. I tried and failed to wrap my head around using it for > backups. > Snipped There is excellent documentation available online. Apart from that, there are 2 excellent and affordable books on the subject : https://www.tiltedwindmillpress.com/product/fmzfs/ https://www.tiltedwindmillpress.com/product/fmaz/ They cover the everything you might want to know (and a lot more...) and are fun to read. Snipped >> Also, are you only using apache data? A lot of webservers are running >> with stuff like Mysql / Elasticsearch "nowadays". >> > I use mysql, and I've been backing up the dbs to Dropbox for quite a > while now. I do not use Elasticsearch. > Seems you have that covered then :) Regards, Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 6 21:49:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D6F1314E1A for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:49:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D55C0839F6 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:49:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wB6LV5wN077634 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 14:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: CMakeLists.txt format and generation Message-ID: <1f3cd5c3-6861-7b03-8073-f2c402c89342@dreamchaser.org> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 14:30:49 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Thu, 06 Dec 2018 14:31:05 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D55C0839F6 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.74 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[nightmare.dreamchaser.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.69)[-0.686,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.943,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.21)[0.214,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 21:49:54 -0000 Trying to build a dev version of a port, and need to tweak patch-CMakeLists.txt to match the dev version's CMakeList.txt which is different. It's not clear to me how these are generated. In particular, if I look at the old one for this port, cad/freecad/files/patch-CMakeLists.txt, I see this: --- CMakeLists.txt.orig 2017-07-28 17:35:48 UTC +++ CMakeLists.txt @@ -661,33 +661,7 @@ endif(${CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME} MATCHES "Darw if (WIN32) find_package(HDF5 COMPONENTS NO_MODULE REQUIRED static) else() - find_package(PkgConfig) If I look at .../work/xxx/CMakeLists.txt.orig nothing seems to line up. Starting at line 661, I see: if(UNIX OR WIN32) find_package(VTK COMPONENTS vtkCommonCore REQUIRED NO_MODULE) ... It is not until line 699 that the above diff lines appear. The @@ endif(${CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME} MATCHES "Darw referred to on the @@ line is at line 561. What is its significance, and must this reference be unique? It looks like it is the closest preceeding conditional beginning at the first char in a line. If the new code has an intervening if() and endif(), referencing the endif won't be unique, but the corresponding if() would be. I've tried various tweaks and guesses but can't get make patch to accept what I've supplied for patch-CMakeLists.txt Any helpful hints would be much appreciated. 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That "ifconfig nic" will give me the ip address. That if that ip address is one of these ranges 192.168/16 or 172.16/12 or 10/8 then the host is on a lan. Is this the only way to determine if the host is on a lan? 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[50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id u18sm800535iom.15.2018.12.06.15.05.43 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Dec 2018 15:05:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5C09AB7B.4010001@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 16:06:35 -0700 From: JD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh code to determine if host is on lan References: <5C099F41.2020407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5C099F41.2020407@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DCE1786CE9 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.24 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-2.24)[ip: (-8.27), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.54), asn: 15169(-1.31), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 23:05:47 -0000 On 12/06/2018 03:14 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Hello list > > Know that "route -n get default" will give me the nic name of the > interface connected upstream. That "ifconfig nic" will give me the ip > address. That if that ip address is one of these ranges > 192.168/16 or 172.16/12 or 10/8 then the host is on a lan. > > Is this the only way to determine if the host is on a lan? > I you do not want to know all that info you already stated, why don;t you ping something with a count of 1, such as yahoo.com: ping -c 1 yahoo.com [ $? -ne 0 ] && echo "not on internet" || echo "On Internet" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 7 00:19:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634451321DBD for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 00:19:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7ED846DA64 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 00:19:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N7Qp3-1hXYAB0h5R-017lKK; Fri, 07 Dec 2018 01:19:06 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 01:19:05 +0100 From: Polytropon To: JD Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh code to determine if host is on lan Message-Id: <20181207011905.af7d5c29.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5C09AB7B.4010001@gmail.com> References: <5C099F41.2020407@gmail.com> <5C09AB7B.4010001@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:KA4YiFGiJNvZtu4Jpsv1xDE4K2rEVygGf+CvywETJ8jekSScT9N sGqVjL4Gqop17i8SXmXeNAn5zb1iwbCC1xmVtHWET72pwPLybeWgdmslrZ9iJnnkbFz55L1 Khqg93Tower9PVzG3lftU7GZ/y9oRdNSvhN+O78yqyjVZvKvcwSJnLKvf6+mNnEPLma0JnC GBxsifGlSkl+K7QqiC2qw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:U5mLjHDXNEs=:FhHF8t8XI9ELwVFAd3gtZ/ Ic5hCaD19iI2aaNtRtzKI3PoW6wijIBz11IGycLlp9pGSybfro7Dcqm1Zo8BhDow6BMiN3esL If8AOjoCKKSVs4dd0sfG7JWV+Bc5vNVOMCd8XgOMGHQ6yUXy7iOKQuY530I9gXRYU6uAh2z9Z KdCL5BmiVPLdjcqg+Ahesj6pB6mxsx6q/xnsV5BJ1vuMUS0QNu1F/qhBFWfy1f0LesBQLwu44 +SPu+uvPexYXSc6YGibUC0R7ZiqFNFV/k+CefhZseu0GCiGS+qqybpbvr9TtESdCqeUh6OIzg Z3egG3PBp9dXCASYtxSmJsJpWE5qgxPZhujUlz5qAO59tY8FUgMfCcAH38zwq365jOMiww4Co gzwkTsCP4y6XRCu7RzFAwi4bNYOaFIgaN7lMwEUQCqXap6In+15doqFlC9kkZtlT6VRmr8Q0d TV4BQe4wuIgdfJi5zjDaQwmZcsTji+GgZC7xaGmuxi7OKrgLP94k5w5OqeDhBK0c+UKX5WDj4 bZP8JZC5uTyp4e3o7jkvQ4xjM8CV9AgqClO8BbRbv8y2Fn/dJdMf9R/9J7j/duCqg62ukOIpw UUQKBF8ySHutlMtmL4ThhiZh5a42Y9CjPz6IPZQ7Ncls+9cxG0M5W67k1f4in2oCZiqPlULjU 7y3TVY3bWxCKFNCv8GTwq1lLlKpMhxH7RrCldCJEvntwn41s0DqXqDVv6NgYciH/k7A+7agBn jDRI+t1ysQEhERJaShIiZFVOWgXTS/77A7rssMEyfQxIaOJBKJP2Ru7Bn4g= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7ED846DA64 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.13 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.23)[-0.226,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.61), asn: 8560(-0.07), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.92)[-0.922,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.968,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[135.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 00:19:16 -0000 elOn Thu, 06 Dec 2018 16:06:35 -0700, JD wrote: > > > On 12/06/2018 03:14 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > Hello list > > > > Know that "route -n get default" will give me the nic name of the > > interface connected upstream. That "ifconfig nic" will give me the ip > > address. That if that ip address is one of these ranges > > 192.168/16 or 172.16/12 or 10/8 then the host is on a lan. > > > > Is this the only way to determine if the host is on a lan? > > > I you do not want to know all that info you already > stated, why don;t you ping something with a count of 1, > such as yahoo.com: > ping -c 1 yahoo.com > [ $? -ne 0 ] && echo "not on internet" || echo "On Internet" I think this doesn't answer the initial question (which I'm not sure I have understood correctly); the question is: Is the system on a LAN ("networked, but not on the Internet")? Of course to check _if_ it is somehow connected to the Internet, a simple ping is sufficient, as long as you can make sure an ICMP echo request and its reply is not blocked somewhere within the firewall; it's also imporatant to use good values for tumeout and wait reply time - just because something _does_ answer a request too slow does not imply it cannot be reached. For example, I use something like this to check if a set of hosts is currently up: # ping timeout (in seconds) = ping -t TIMEOUT=2 # time to wait for ICMP echo reply packets (in milliseconds) = ping -W WAITREPLY=100 # ... ping -q -t ${TIMEOUT} -W ${WAITREPLY} -c 1 ${HOST} > /dev/null 2>&1 if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then # ... I use this for a status display and SSH connection selector. Note that there is still a difference between "is up" and "will accept a SSH connection". ;-) Similarly, you could use fetch (provided by OS), wget or curl (additional ports) to get (and discard) a web page you know is somewhere on the Internet. If your firewall does only allow HTTP traffic, this would be a usable solution. The route | grep | ifconfig | grep approach initially shown does obtain lots of information, discards most of them, but of course answers the question if the system is currently configured for LAN. However, with _multiple_ interfaces, for example one for LAN, one for Internet, things get much more interesting. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[65.25.62.234]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r21sm1293350ita.27.2018.12.06.16.53.38 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Dec 2018 16:53:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5C09C491.1060803@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 19:53:37 -0500 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon CC: JD , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh code to determine if host is on lan References: <5C099F41.2020407@gmail.com> <5C09AB7B.4010001@gmail.com> <20181207011905.af7d5c29.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20181207011905.af7d5c29.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 391B56FB2B X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.41 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ip: (4.34), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.54), asn: 15169(-1.31), country: US(-0.09)]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.956,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.26)[0.255,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.976,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 00:53:41 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > elOn Thu, 06 Dec 2018 16:06:35 -0700, JD wrote: >> >> On 12/06/2018 03:14 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: >>> Hello list >>> >>> Know that "route -n get default" will give me the nic name of the >>> interface connected upstream. That "ifconfig nic" will give me the ip >>> address. That if that ip address is one of these ranges >>> 192.168/16 or 172.16/12 or 10/8 then the host is on a lan. >>> >>> Is this the only way to determine if the host is on a lan? >>> >> I you do not want to know all that info you already >> stated, why don;t you ping something with a count of 1, >> such as yahoo.com: >> ping -c 1 yahoo.com >> [ $? -ne 0 ] && echo "not on internet" || echo "On Internet" > > I think this doesn't answer the initial question (which I'm > not sure I have understood correctly); the question is: Is > the system on a LAN ("networked, but not on the Internet")? > Of course to check _if_ it is somehow connected to the Internet, > a simple ping is sufficient, as long as you can make sure > an ICMP echo request and its reply is not blocked somewhere > within the firewall; it's also imporatant to use good values > for tumeout and wait reply time - just because something _does_ > answer a request too slow does not imply it cannot be reached. > > For example, I use something like this to check if a set of > hosts is currently up: > > # ping timeout (in seconds) = ping -t > TIMEOUT=2 > # time to wait for ICMP echo reply packets (in milliseconds) = ping -W > WAITREPLY=100 > # ... > ping -q -t ${TIMEOUT} -W ${WAITREPLY} -c 1 ${HOST} > /dev/null 2>&1 > if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then > # ... > > I use this for a status display and SSH connection selector. > Note that there is still a difference between "is up" and > "will accept a SSH connection". ;-) > > Similarly, you could use fetch (provided by OS), wget or > curl (additional ports) to get (and discard) a web page > you know is somewhere on the Internet. If your firewall > does only allow HTTP traffic, this would be a usable > solution. > > The route | grep | ifconfig | grep approach initially shown > does obtain lots of information, discards most of them, but > of course answers the question if the system is currently > configured for LAN. However, with _multiple_ interfaces, > for example one for LAN, one for Internet, things get much > more interesting. :-) > Connected to the internet is NOT the question. Is this host a node on the lan is the question. 192.168/16 or 172.16/12 or 10/8, these ip address ranges are non-routeable over the public internet. By standards they are reserved for lan addresses. If the host being inspected has been assigned one of these ip address would indicate its a node on the lan. Using a sh script is there a simpler way of finding this out without drilling down through those commands I posted above? What I am hearing so far is no there is short cut method. Thanks for your replies. 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I made a fresh installation on an external unit and ran Mate through xterm. There doesn't appear to be any difference between that and what I have on the main drive. In the fresh installation, I can drag and place windows, but it's slow. In addition, I'm getting the same error messages as I did earlier. It would seem, then, that something somewhere got fiddled between when I installed the original system on the HD and now. Maybe I should look at using a new desktop. KDE, maybe? BMJ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 7 04:46:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB49F13293A9 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 04:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C02147682B for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 04:46:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id V81tgN8G7WnTiV81wgaw60; Fri, 07 Dec 2018 04:46:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 22:46:21 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Problems with py-pystemmer Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfLHMAF8cGKfx6ZXTRv9cw164Orji50WYxNw8Z9d13r7WvtXqrNi69jXFia75Hl5D0LQ4YCJC08dZM4107C4TDXYFMhQLyK8g1AgBw74vXGT+7BK9QXs5 PenT46Zl/chtMKVyZTMcxbMJoQKFuJ+eG6/MMaJh59wo5Lhxf5okjZkWmixCKWiD0HCHGaEd4BicoQ== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C02147682B X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.67 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.37)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-3.76), asn: 7843(-3.01), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[229.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 04:46:27 -0000 I'm trying to update ports after upgrading to 11.2, and I can't seem to get around py-pystemmer. After trying repeatedly to build it, I gave up and used pkg install, but that failed as well. Proceed with this action? [y/N]: y [1/4] Fetching py27-pystemmer-1.3.0_2.txz: 100% 62 KiB 63.1kB/s 00:01 pkg: cached package py27-pystemmer-1.3.0_2: size mismatch, fetching from remote [2/4] Fetching py27-pystemmer-1.3.0_2.txz: 100% 62 KiB 63.1kB/s 00:01 pkg: cached package py27-pystemmer-1.3.0_2: size mismatch, cannot continue I run portsnap daily, but I ran it again to be sure. When I try to build py-pystemmer, I get this: File "Cython/Compiler/Scanning.pxd", line 18, in init Cython.Compiler.Parsing ValueError: Cython.Compiler.Scanning.CompileTimeScope has the wrong size, try recompiling. Expected 32, got 40 *** Error code 1 Googling didn't turn up anything. SO I deinstalled and reinstalled py-cython, but that didn't help either. I'm stuck until I get this fixed. Apparently it's a dependency for several other ports. 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George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 7 06:18:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36096132B86D for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 06:18:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AF2279479 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 06:18:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wB76I9FG078693 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 23:18:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: CMakeLists.txt format and generation [SOLVED] From: Gary Aitken To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, freebsd@dreamchaser.org References: <1f3cd5c3-6861-7b03-8073-f2c402c89342@dreamchaser.org> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 23:17:54 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1f3cd5c3-6861-7b03-8073-f2c402c89342@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Thu, 06 Dec 2018 23:18:09 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3AF2279479 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.95 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.01)[0.012,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.91)[-0.911,0]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: nightmare.dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.27)[0.274,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 06:18:13 -0000 On 12/6/18 2:30 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: > Trying to build a dev version of a port, and need to tweak patch-CMakeLists.txt > to match the dev version's CMakeList.txt which is different. > > It's not clear to me how these are generated. > > In particular, if I look at the old one for this port, cad/freecad/files/patch-CMakeLists.txt, I see this: > > --- CMakeLists.txt.orig 2017-07-28 17:35:48 UTC > +++ CMakeLists.txt > @@ -661,33 +661,7 @@ endif(${CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME} MATCHES "Darw >              if (WIN32) >                  find_package(HDF5 COMPONENTS NO_MODULE REQUIRED static) >              else() > -                find_package(PkgConfig) > > If I look at .../work/xxx/CMakeLists.txt.orig nothing seems to line up. > Starting at line 661, I see: > >         if(UNIX OR WIN32) >             find_package(VTK COMPONENTS vtkCommonCore REQUIRED NO_MODULE) > ... > It is not until line 699 that the above diff lines appear. > > The >   @@ endif(${CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME} MATCHES "Darw > referred to on the @@ line is at line 561. > What is its significance, and must this reference be unique? > It looks like it is the closest preceeding conditional beginning at the > first char in a line.  If the new code has an intervening if() and endif(), > referencing the endif won't be unique, but the corresponding if() would be. > > I've tried various tweaks and guesses but can't get make patch to accept > what I've supplied for patch-CMakeLists.txt > > Any helpful hints would be much appreciated. > Thanks, I finally found this link for understanding the format of the patches: http://kirste.userpage.fu-berlin.de/chemnet/use/info/diff/diff_3.html The problem was a missing space at the start of the context lines which were unchanged. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 7 07:36:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5967132D13F for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 07:36:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail.d2ux.org (d2ux.org [148.251.193.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BEC7B484 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 07:36:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC64D5D069 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 08:35:55 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at petermann-it.de Received: from mail.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail (new.petermann-it.de [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lKMoWE-Lp6v0 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 08:35:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.134] (p5B2F3726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.47.55.38]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ECA9A5D05A for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 08:35:54 +0100 (CET) From: Matthias Petermann To: freebsd-questions Subject: /sbin/dump: instant exit in case of disk full (instead of prompting for next volume) Message-ID: <6116a4e5-34d1-3823-dd5e-28c784083cf2@petermann-it.de> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 08:35:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 27BEC7B484 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:148.251.193.221/32]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[petermann-it.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.petermann-it.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.79)[-0.786,0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.00)[ipnet: 148.251.0.0/16(-2.51), asn: 24940(-2.47), country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:148.251.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 07:36:04 -0000 Hello, I am using dump(8) to backup local filesystems to an USB drive. Is there an easy way to non-interactively exit dump in case of target disk full error? Currently it issues two prompts: DUMP: Is the new volume mounted and ready to go?: ("yes" or "no") no DUMP: Do you want to abort?: ("yes" or "no") yes before it exits with code 3, which I need for my wrapping shell script to properly react. I would like to have it exit immediately in this case, without further interaction. One way I explored was by using expect (script below), but I rather would use exclusively tools from base and don't want to add extra complexity to my backup script. In case there is no easy way currently, would it make sense to enhance dump to provide an option for non interactive mode? Kind regards, Matthias #!/usr/bin/env expect set timeout 43200 set result 0 spawn /sbin/dump -C16 -b64 -0au -h0 -f /mnt/test.dump / expect { eof { exit $result } timeout { exit 1 } "*DUMP: Is the new volume mounted and ready to go?:*" { send "no\r" } } expect { eof { exit $result } timeout { exit 1 } "*DUMP: Do you want to abort?:*" { send "yes\r" set result 3 } } expect { eof { exit $result } timeout { exit 1 } } -- Matthias Petermann | www.petermann-it.de GnuPG: 0x5C3E6D75 | 5930 86EF 7965 2BBA 6572 C3D7 7B1D A3C3 5C3E 6D75 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 7 08:29:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DEB132E8ED for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 08:29:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0896F7DA98 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 08:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MEVBa-1gfbdo1f2Y-00G4il; Fri, 07 Dec 2018 09:28:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 09:28:58 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Matthias Petermann Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: /sbin/dump: instant exit in case of disk full (instead of prompting for next volume) Message-Id: <20181207092858.101f83be.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <6116a4e5-34d1-3823-dd5e-28c784083cf2@petermann-it.de> References: <6116a4e5-34d1-3823-dd5e-28c784083cf2@petermann-it.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:NR16n4h6ZlW1/59DgLdhGh7d8ycSwojK60mJX1AJ60eWr+hhZY+ FX9KBhQW0xbPi/soetNjk0A8tq8E57nyNVM5Cd06u6jEIJ/2LLSBfVAVTAkrDZJsJMhsAfQ iIm5eAFqJVVP5DBkcziqFmYkGUv/M+0PapNnP3ZTc6iM5k4vqAt/vnDh+1qKRCMK9Jh15y6 fqze8JlB9IIYbXbrFqRlQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:f7Izn+YGfMs=:wAqfJnHqyxXPxvrk1bT4OY gSALPc/h0F9ghtR3vF8DW81koGNPtbL4m8KbYocknkpTVgtLiLp1POSzfkuMX+OW90rFUR+gw emlzUSEW4ANhqgPZ2wXuVqyHL7b3n7cxpm707AzknXhShHduytpnz/+sytggS/hjrgixzF+sV GCULybeAIemRGUJn2vVGWO3tw5Zc4dGuxF6jzmVJl6yEkzmz+6zbQFB9DUJ+8gKPW57lNaqDN qLtZRQVjct3gOZCJCPz4xfBeZF53ovCfm2yateu6X/joceykJvxLFSOBYBsP9Efnzk/kwLsxE olKLWtJDQbeL6ErCkO7aEpYFkQM6YG0w18oStEUwMyxSmEc/S9MnIVktlvaixbpUBRSDkPPAb tq3ci7CRUQiiMLAH1IYUFwX02GT6tAKMlKgYDW5LZ874n4lyGiYiQg9dBpqpp3pPi2Pp21mGV ++tS/vhZwg+Qej1YX0dYEKqirCVDnJnda2x3Lpa8D6FteV59FnIAgTs5YI2QHgGI1uwZe9AU8 jz1jSkrPP/YjjJlfR49uiBcB0GuilVEQgSdbXirSWPEdyBGuMj3qbj2pH2TTjdEjnOoxpJLWx jxQcr07YNEKNPujoG7qB+yXmfQlB6neSqiTm1XVTOI0OiVORgAoA0i66LlWikP96XY++4pKXW EvoUhyUg4ooLop1FLvoqW79/uaccAprfLjAq0U5S3Pj0Y5IRfEv3VqK2nuEkxBOpQTqw0sWef CCzj5Y2OLpNPlEfo3wr2wV+2V2FEYXaUOGhzhHAa2qCCueOxdATKwu0A2bE= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0896F7DA98 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.52 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx01.schlund.de,mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.869,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.61), asn: 8560(-0.07), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.92)[-0.921,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.980,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 08:29:08 -0000 On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 08:35:10 +0100, Matthias Petermann wrote: > I am using dump(8) to backup local filesystems to an USB drive. Is there > an easy way to non-interactively exit dump in case of target disk full > error? According to "man dump", this is a situation where operator interaction is explicitely required: The dump utility requires operator intervention on these conditions: end of tape, end of dump, tape write error, tape open error or disk read error (if there are more than a threshold of 32). In addition to alert- ing all operators implied by the -n key, dump interacts with the operator on dump's control terminal at times when dump can no longer proceed, or if something is grossly wrong. All questions dump poses must be answered by typing ``yes'' or ``no'', appropriately. This is consistent with your description. However, you could modify the dump program to exit with a specific error code if "disk is full" should be reached. > One way I explored was by using expect (script below), but I rather > would use exclusively tools from base and don't want to add extra > complexity to my backup script. It seems that using "expect" is a good solution here, as the "dump" program does not natively support what you want. > In case there is no easy way currently, would it make sense to enhance > dump to provide an option for non interactive mode? That is a legitimate request, and a feature most welcome. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 7 15:33:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B3D1310CF3 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 15:33:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x233.google.com (mail-oi1-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5E708FA13 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 15:33:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-x233.google.com with SMTP id v6so3692354oif.2 for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2018 07:33:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=N3FHobNJaVo4iAm7/+pKumOCvAIc+ecfe6TXkkObBrs=; b=gugOaxoK4EIWltnqndG9Te9r2jefIQ1vlaLlfAwXPSHX/s9u6sXVKTbFaa8pVxlGBU Q/mFDN6ycfHgXbZXiprHptCOe/UmE+5MBvxm13CosVaOXjkksX1hhEuJXrpuhHvvADIm xr3HmFSIXvL+NfALdGPpuc1OUmvI1NwFMEk1ehf/2okvoSlg4fa0s1oo4blQwbM8qcjP xTAimFx7PER2ozfBnOEQCnci74uCrRcoX0Am6LN1LEZr+qYCWQYMR4FMMFMW9elbjlar sDvULbpWLSRlpvhsmkoCWe8B2QAHQqrMhJ3aM8TA8+Vvw/N0HhixFvjJZGN07opujOAl +yXQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=N3FHobNJaVo4iAm7/+pKumOCvAIc+ecfe6TXkkObBrs=; b=STbS+kSy1kQBKV0M8/16/SlzNrRR0OZwnYse5zier3s78SsEtnKJr5ZpjHXIbjxvz7 acSk+wq+PTuMzCt/Tfv4VUIfFMFKA6k5iq/p3oS814+1mprnOSm3giKE7CiYnba10xQc 9FTXY9SRKMPNSxJYM51Ksz4t8bhEiiTY6Zm0atBlxdpO6soBgY7n7FfwGmUTo84gDr4C 1Y7jkiG8hK4mlguLThZuJvOzEiMeAb1l7PvAY7LT/e0ZCG9FGoocu5/LXxuojWZIFdXQ /w+Kky/pIqqSJgPmkdhPapdyuXIGj2hGiSYdKxhsUexZ9J9tfyV5z5FuXzMJdv3rIpwR vU2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWa7qxCVmnvLQEhjscZ8nRrXTafYSaFpYCHqLyO9GUSvCmJTA5x6 m0SNKJG65hsIeoSgGfexX0o7WcULHiwSjWWwHno= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UdvmzLUwAD+ygaubqTer1wRIHPINlfAnJA6jC2ybmEBlDVMfMcUeez4Jirc8/5otJdIv08ECQDHb9xvX/C86w= X-Received: by 2002:aca:dd88:: with SMTP id u130mr1436274oig.204.1544196812225; Fri, 07 Dec 2018 07:33:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a4a:1fdd:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 07:33:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20181202231414.bc873ae8.freebsd@edvax.de> <3b1f0a32-175e-2535-ce70-ac8935cf85eb@yandex.com> <20181203184153.b37810d9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181204183621.9358c17e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181204202918.64f6e9eb.freebsd@edvax.de> From: JD Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 08:33:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fresh Installation Of FreeBSD 11.2--Mate Not Working Properly To: B J Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E5E708FA13 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.51)[-0.513,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.51), asn: 15169(-1.30), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 15:33:33 -0000 Well, you can choose whatever desktop you are comfortable and happy with. Most of the problems I have seen from people who run into post installation, have to do with missing pieces, or problems with default configurations. Good luck to ya! On 12/6/18, B J wrote: > Since the HD on which I installed the system is about as old as the > computer, I thought that it might have been going wobbly. > > I made a fresh installation on an external unit and ran Mate through > xterm. There doesn't appear to be any difference between that and > what I have on the main drive. In the fresh installation, I can drag > and place windows, but it's slow. In addition, I'm getting the same > error messages as I did earlier. > > It would seem, then, that something somewhere got fiddled between when > I installed the original system on the HD and now. Maybe I should > look at using a new desktop. KDE, maybe? > > BMJ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 7 18:43:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E98A13166DA for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 18:43:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61203724A4 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 18:43:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wB7IhiUR081283 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 11:43:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: -lfoo vs /usr/local/lib/libfoo.so Message-ID: <4e4f02e8-18b5-4e3e-2887-922946498bf1@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 11:43:29 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Fri, 07 Dec 2018 11:43:44 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 61203724A4 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.26 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.45)[-0.450,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.927,0]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: nightmare.dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.45)[0.446,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 18:43:47 -0000 In trying to build a dev version of a port, the cmake script includes many libraries explicitly, and one (-lhdf5-18) using -l: /usr/bin/c++ -fPIC -Wall -Wextra -Wno-write-strings -O2 -pipe -I/usr/local/include/hdf5-18 -fstack-protector -isystem /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -isystem /usr/local/include -std=c++11 -Wno-undefined-var-template -D_OCC64 -O2 -pipe -I/usr/local/include/hdf5-18 -fstack-protector -isystem /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -isystem /usr/local/include -Wl,--no-undefined -shared -Wl,-soname,libFreeCADBase.so -o ../../lib/libFreeCADBase.so ... a bunch of .o files ... -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib:/usr/local/lib/qt4: -lhdf5-18 /usr/local/lib/libpython2.7.so ... ... -lpthread -lz /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so The above command fails with "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lhdf5-18" although /usr/local/lib/libhdf5-18.so exists and the rpath flag indicates /usr/local/lib If I replace -lhdf5-18 with /usr/local/lib/libhdf5-18.so it works. Curiously (to me) -lpthread and -lz are apparently working correctly, or at least aren't being mis-interpreted. I've tried tweaking the command to use -Wl,-lhdf5-18 but that fails also. Can anyone explain to me what's going on? Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 7 19:56:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113F2131874F for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 19:56:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (mail.geeks.org [IPv6:2001:4980:3333:1::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8606075081 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 19:56:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by after-clamsmtpd.geeks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D728110221; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 13:56:46 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail.geeks.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id E499811021A; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 13:56:45 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 13:56:45 -0600 From: Doug McIntyre To: Ernie Luzar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh code to determine if host is on lan Message-ID: <20181207195645.GA64030@geeks.org> References: <5C099F41.2020407@gmail.com> <5C09AB7B.4010001@gmail.com> <20181207011905.af7d5c29.freebsd@edvax.de> <5C09C491.1060803@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5C09C491.1060803@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8606075081 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.84 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.85)[0.848,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[geeks.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.73)[0.728,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[asg.geeks.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.83)[0.828,0]; IP_SCORE(0.75)[asn: 7753(3.82), country: US(-0.09)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7753, ipnet:2001:4980::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 19:56:58 -0000 On Thu, Dec 06, 2018 at 07:53:37PM -0500, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > elOn Thu, 06 Dec 2018 16:06:35 -0700, JD wrote: > >> > >> On 12/06/2018 03:14 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >>> Hello list > >>> > >>> Know that "route -n get default" will give me the nic name of the > >>> interface connected upstream. That "ifconfig nic" will give me the ip > >>> address. That if that ip address is one of these ranges > >>> 192.168/16 or 172.16/12 or 10/8 then the host is on a lan. Hmm, I thought my host here was on a LAN.. vmx0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 inet 216.250.176.100 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 216.250.176.127 inet6 2001:4980:2:dad::100 prefixlen 64 And this one too.. bce0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 inet6 2001:4980:0:1000:21e:c9ff:feb5:663a prefixlen 64 autoconf inet6 2001:4980:0:ffff:21e:c9ff:feb5:663a prefixlen 64 autoconf Are you sure your definition of "LAN" is the correct term? What is it you are trying to determine? 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[65.25.62.234]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m132sm2547036itm.26.2018.12.07.14.07.20 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Dec 2018 14:07:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5C0AEF17.7070100@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 17:07:19 -0500 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug McIntyre CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh code to determine if host is on lan References: <5C099F41.2020407@gmail.com> <5C09AB7B.4010001@gmail.com> <20181207011905.af7d5c29.freebsd@edvax.de> <5C09C491.1060803@gmail.com> <20181207195645.GA64030@geeks.org> In-Reply-To: <20181207195645.GA64030@geeks.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7DC177A045 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.34 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[0.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.53), asn: 15169(-1.31), country: US(-0.09)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.74)[-0.742,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 22:07:23 -0000 Doug McIntyre wrote: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2018 at 07:53:37PM -0500, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> Polytropon wrote: >>> elOn Thu, 06 Dec 2018 16:06:35 -0700, JD wrote: >>>> On 12/06/2018 03:14 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: >>>>> Hello list >>>>> >>>>> Know that "route -n get default" will give me the nic name of the >>>>> interface connected upstream. That "ifconfig nic" will give me the ip >>>>> address. That if that ip address is one of these ranges >>>>> 192.168/16 or 172.16/12 or 10/8 then the host is on a lan. > > Hmm, I thought my host here was on a LAN.. > > vmx0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > inet 216.250.176.100 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 216.250.176.127 > inet6 2001:4980:2:dad::100 prefixlen 64 > > And this one too.. > bce0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > inet6 2001:4980:0:1000:21e:c9ff:feb5:663a prefixlen 64 autoconf > inet6 2001:4980:0:ffff:21e:c9ff:feb5:663a prefixlen 64 autoconf > > Are you sure your definition of "LAN" is the correct term? > > What is it you are trying to determine? > > > Like most ISPs my ISP doesn't provide ipv6 service. So not interested in it until it goes public nationwide. Your 216.250.176.100 ipv4 address is public routeable. Looks like this machine is running vm and the freebsd os is configured as the gateway to the public internet. If it has a LAN behind it using ipv4 addresses, then this gateway is also running a firewall with NAT so the LAN nodes can reach the public internet. I'm playing with 12.0-RC3 and vnet jails. Vnet jails come in two flavors based on the hosts network topography. The host is either the gateway or its a node on the lan. Lans use these reserved non-routeable ipv4 address ranges for network communication. If the host's default ip address is in the range covered by one of theses 192.168/16 or 172.16/12 or 10/8 ranges then the host is a node on a lan. That is what I am trying to determine in a sh script. I know that I can drill down through a few standard commands to capture the hosts external ipv4 address easy enough. But comparing it to the different ranges becomes a painful coding task. I think I just figured out the simple method I was looking for. Just issue the whois command using the captured hosts external ipv4 address and interrogate the reply for "Private Use". Thanks for every bodies replies. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 8 02:38:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B568132B920 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2018 02:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFEA485DA6 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2018 02:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MTREY-1gumMB2O8i-00Tp2m; Sat, 08 Dec 2018 03:38:43 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2018 03:38:43 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Ernie Luzar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh code to determine if host is on lan Message-Id: <20181208033843.19288a5e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5C0AEF17.7070100@gmail.com> References: <5C099F41.2020407@gmail.com> <5C09AB7B.4010001@gmail.com> <20181207011905.af7d5c29.freebsd@edvax.de> <5C09C491.1060803@gmail.com> <20181207195645.GA64030@geeks.org> <5C0AEF17.7070100@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:GF/LHvl/OPMFt7dVnoVLm0up4E4UMs9pTHG2EExgaooIN9Zp345 hoaoIEKlx5alwo6YXR+PNMlcDc9Jg+M/FeefuP6L6I63tv0KlNri0UODHLpMdqmhVC/R+GO QHCSBG4QgvEbDjjXTyo7ntDnzfX/4scrXte3h8skswoWXkUw4nmngAxJcKY9yP1MC5AB9Gz GH7W1bi+w3ZB8CcgDkLYQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:lD75FRvTlEY=:ccVonUpldfUxtZCRZzJ7sY X8/NzE9s2WIduRwkGuwYc751nB1e9NYpouYNN5raEbp3F2PuV3GobW8Lt9Cho5vNfwBh24MXg V8przec1mRJV8HiIEWxpoYOFgMw9fFKH3KgqSmdRVi5vv1AL6gaw2wDmb36IkzoyMLlpzx2zg 5nsq5BEB8OHLY7HHeEX5swzZQV/1MmWlrPe6bBSvAJFVMtftiXGrB2i9LjBxb5PX6ktqSvFA+ j9O8O3xLAeUA1wRFBG3wRKMjqZqBQVdALGQOoT/yC10wX15zg3j9em8J5lfyeKfAEuP6YnzAe Bmja9FBdVjbOYkXthJCkV6bKHeoT7A8Q4F4V1i13lISSzxTuYEE4wOlgPMQdt6kj4Nme8PQIl CvlowLLqdbqB5XOXNw5NiyDlwfqWVOjRIcOR0Lu3ix4VSLbOAkH79HvUKJ+ysF46UZWCdM1Hh EPcHMBVhhu2aoyyY30WYlxFB3H0MCibmIRSCpVfpQ+TbD2tcuLYDl40e7d9Xa5Ojlg7tRDOfa 760QheGkWkP1RxQFiGH9F5B9bHERW/6izx/a5VIbwRiHyyUnc/HJO53FH2xNlwpgZyFSrs668 n84wQUOQ/UjV8bhtsNcec6oJaaYX7zEsk1Rb9dxH69cw2HEmr0A7jJAUJ0hG7IxMyPA3/frBM MTvVUVWoY9QC4bLHDiJORyo9HR8ZjS+MGteALxHb/fgKC2wnEhqEMBsbuAXrKEZdSo/EX4JX4 UWh9BhD0C9myUVRFV3V8bpkZELBms/EdMxrczkPZEggRLlk6fuh2rqCt/X0= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AFEA485DA6 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.39 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.61), asn: 8560(-0.07), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.88)[-0.885,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.02)[0.020,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[24.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2018 02:38:52 -0000 On Fri, 07 Dec 2018 17:07:19 -0500, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Doug McIntyre wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 06, 2018 at 07:53:37PM -0500, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> Polytropon wrote: > >>> elOn Thu, 06 Dec 2018 16:06:35 -0700, JD wrote: > >>>> On 12/06/2018 03:14 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >>>>> Hello list > >>>>> > >>>>> Know that "route -n get default" will give me the nic name of the > >>>>> interface connected upstream. That "ifconfig nic" will give me the ip > >>>>> address. That if that ip address is one of these ranges > >>>>> 192.168/16 or 172.16/12 or 10/8 then the host is on a lan. > > > > Hmm, I thought my host here was on a LAN.. > > > > vmx0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > > inet 216.250.176.100 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 216.250.176.127 > > inet6 2001:4980:2:dad::100 prefixlen 64 > > > > And this one too.. > > bce0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > > inet6 2001:4980:0:1000:21e:c9ff:feb5:663a prefixlen 64 autoconf > > inet6 2001:4980:0:ffff:21e:c9ff:feb5:663a prefixlen 64 autoconf > > > > Are you sure your definition of "LAN" is the correct term? > > > > What is it you are trying to determine? > > > > > > > Like most ISPs my ISP doesn't provide ipv6 service. So not interested in > it until it goes public nationwide. > > Your 216.250.176.100 ipv4 address is public routeable. Looks like this > machine is running vm and the freebsd os is configured as the gateway to > the public internet. If it has a LAN behind it using ipv4 addresses, > then this gateway is also running a firewall with NAT so the LAN nodes > can reach the public internet. > > I'm playing with 12.0-RC3 and vnet jails. Vnet jails come in two flavors > based on the hosts network topography. The host is either the gateway or > its a node on the lan. Lans use these reserved non-routeable ipv4 > address ranges for network communication. If the host's default ip > address is in the range covered by one of theses 192.168/16 or 172.16/12 > or 10/8 ranges then the host is a node on a lan. That is what I am > trying to determine in a sh script. I know that I can drill down through > a few standard commands to capture the hosts external ipv4 address easy > enough. But comparing it to the different ranges becomes a painful > coding task. So I understood your intention correctly: "Public or private IP?" is the question you've been trying to answer. > I think I just figured out the simple method I was looking for. Just > issue the whois command using the captured hosts external ipv4 address > and interrogate the reply for "Private Use". That is an interesting method! % whois 192.168.45.67 | grep "NetName:" NetName: PRIVATE-ADDRESS-CBLK-RFC1918-IANA-RESERVED % whois 172.16.50.10 | grep "NetName:" NetName: PRIVATE-ADDRESS-BBLK-RFC1918-IANA-RESERVED % whois 10.232.3.64 | grep "NetName:" NetName: PRIVATE-ADDRESS-ABLK-RFC1918-IANA-RESERVED The surrounding grepping, cutting, and $? magic is trivial. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 8 02:22:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F18132B02C for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2018 02:22:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA8CB85026 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2018 02:22:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Ljz90-1h21rC3y2s-00cDia; Sat, 08 Dec 2018 03:22:37 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2018 03:22:34 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: -lfoo vs /usr/local/lib/libfoo.so Message-Id: <20181208032234.47a2773d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4e4f02e8-18b5-4e3e-2887-922946498bf1@dreamchaser.org> References: <4e4f02e8-18b5-4e3e-2887-922946498bf1@dreamchaser.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; 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Judging from the command presented, there is no (re)definition of the library path, i. e., no -L parameter. This imples the defaults are used. If I remember correctly, the system's library path is always selected, so -lz -> /usr/lib/libz.so, as well as -lpthread -> /usr/lib/libpthread.so will work for that reason. As /usr/local/lib/libhdf5-18.so is in /usr/local/lib, this path should either be part of the configuration (LDFLAGS) or named explicitely as -L/usr/local/lib/libhdf5-18.so, similarly to the -I/usr/local/include/hdf5-18 which is the directory expected to contain the header files for the library in question. So check the Makefile, maybe defaults it incorporates (or fails to override or to extend), as well as - at least for testing - using -L. Reason simplified: The library referenced as "hdf5-18" (which refers to libhdf5-18.so) cannot be found in any of the defined library paths. This at least explains what you're seeing. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[178.41.189.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s9sm6018570wrw.26.2018.12.08.14.06.22 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Dec 2018 14:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by jedi.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D46C25534; Sat, 8 Dec 2018 23:06:21 +0100 (CET) From: Ludovit Koren To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD 11 - MySQL cluster User-Mail-Address: ludovit.koren@gmail.com Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2018 23:06:21 +0100 Message-ID: <86r2erk71e.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D0CB76AC41 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.34 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.76)[-0.757,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.52), asn: 15169(-1.29), country: US(-0.09)]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2018 22:06:25 -0000 Hi, I am trying to use MySQL cluster on FreeBSD. On FreeBSD 10.4 I was able to run 7.2.34 MySQL cluster (I just started and tried to configure the cluster). After upgrade of FreeBSD to the 11.2, the MySQL cluster binaries no longer are able to work even if I recompile. The newer versions of the MySQL cluster (7.3, 7.4., 7.5, 7.6) end with the same result, i.e. the mysqld daemon cannot start with core dump. Is anybody running MySQL cluster software? Any success stories? Thank you very much in advance. Regards, lk