Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:11:45 +0300 From: Stefan Lambrev <stefan.lambrev@moneybookers.com> To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Adrian Penisoara <ady@freebsd.ady.ro>, wbentley@futurecis.com Subject: Re: If not the force, what should I use? (Was: FreeBSD in Business (was Re: Idea for FreeBSD)) Message-ID: <48A1B641.6080407@moneybookers.com> In-Reply-To: <20080812115132.44b2e8f7@mbook.local> References: <78cb3d3f0808120810o54f49373n69ac5076c9a9c9b7@mail.gmail.com> <20080812115132.44b2e8f7@mbook.local>
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Mike Meyer wrote: > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:10:22 +0200 "Adrian Penisoara" <ady@freebsd.ady.ro> wrote: > >>>>>> While we're at it, I wish we could leverage the posibility for the >>>>>> admin to manually start the service at the CLI, no matter whether the >>>>>> service has been enabled or not -- that is the "<svc>_enable" keyword >>>>>> should have effect only in the bootup/automatic contexts. >>>>>> >>>>> Like keywords - forcestart forcerestart forcestop ?!?! >>>>> >>>> Yes, I am always reminded of that :). >>>> Well, to tell you the truth, I do not know of any other OS which >>>> requires prefixing with "force" the start/stop actions in order to act >>>> on the service at the command line, and personally I wish it weren't >>>> the case. >>>> >>> Well I bet you can find this in most linux distros that copy FreeBSD. What >>> about gentoo? >>> >> Umm, I have used Gentoo and I do not remember having to use >> "forcestart" at the command line... >> > > Ok, given that you 1) want to have both "XXXX this service if it's > part of our normal runtime" and "XXXX this service even if it's not > part of our normal runtime" as script commands, and that 2) XXXX > without a prefix gets the "if it's part of our normal runtime" > meaning, as we want the user to have to explicitly say "Yes, I know > this looks odd, but I know what I'm doing so do it anyway" to get the > "even if it's not part of our normal runtime" behavior, then what > would you have us use instead of "forceXXXX"? > > Personally, I think "start -f" or "start --force" might have been > better, but it's to late to fix such a minor thing. > I think the idea (behind not using force) is to implement something like in RH where there is a number of folders (for every run level) populated with links to the real rc scripts which are in /etc/init.d/ and when you type /etc/init.d/script start it will be started but the boot up rc.scripts will never do start on /etc/init.d/ itself only on the folder with links. It's not much better (or worse?) then the current system in freebsd, so I do not see why we should bother. -- Best Wishes, Stefan Lambrev ICQ# 24134177
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