Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:48:58 -0500 From: Paul Mather <paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> To: Robert Clausecker <fuz@fuz.su> Cc: freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: arm64 as Tier 1 for FreeBSD 13 Message-ID: <D140BA2A-71F3-4574-9015-675950705AF2@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> In-Reply-To: <20191204092402.GA82492@fuz.su> References: <CAPyFy2Aa6Uj0nyQ1Y_KPLd7%2BROJ4xW5i-SpctV1sRVK_BivPHw@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2D91v7SwjZOgMG0a9V%2BH6GVCF8NHKp341N8mwnCvA71cA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2BP3hFHuFJyo2M-5pc0%2BCmRiyym1TZ81P5xicR4zED1JQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2BXWPVOJo%2BGOf83sZFrPHE80-QvdHeWrhi%2BTdj0KDnThg@mail.gmail.com> <17938.1575444597@critter.freebsd.dk> <20191204092402.GA82492@fuz.su>
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On Dec 4, 2019, at 4:24 AM, Robert Clausecker <fuz@fuz.su> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 07:29:57AM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message = <CAPyFy2BXWPVOJo+GOf83sZFrPHE80-QvdHeWrhi+Tdj0KDnThg@mail.gmail.com>, Ed = Maste writes: >>> We don't do this today, but have the ability to do so for arm64 = server >>> platforms. (Due to its design, freebsd-update does not work >>> particularly well on devices with slow root filesystems such as SD >>> cards.) >>=20 >> I don't think storage-technology should be used as a discriminant = here. >>=20 >> First because it is quite trivial to plug in a quality USB SSD (WD >> passport for instance) and use that as root filesystem. >>=20 >> Second, just because freebsd-update takes a day to run, doesn't mean >> that people would not want it. >=20 > Indeed. For example, on a Raspberry Pi 3B, it takes multiple days to > build world as the build must be done single threaded due to a lack of > RAM (building LLVM is the worst offender here). Getting it down to = one > day is already a huge quality of life improvement. I'm running FreeBSD/arm64 12-STABLE on a Raspberry Pi 3 using a = root-on-ZFS setup. I've been using packaged base for quite some time, = cross-building on FreeBSD/amd64. Every time I upgrade FreeBSD via "pkg = upgrade" it seems to me that it does not take an inordinately long time. = It takes longer than packaged base on a regular FreeBSD/amd64 server = with spinning disk, but not an excessive amount of time. It's certainly = on the order of minutes, not hours. Cheers, Paul.
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