From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 7 11:22:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FF716A4D9 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 11:22:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2455A43D9F for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 11:22:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180])15A2E18001BA for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 11:22:59 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 7 May 2005 11:22:59 -0000 Received: by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 041AA4BEAD; Sat, 7 May 2005 11:22:58 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [213.187.181.70] by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for fteg@london.com; Sat, 07 May 2005 06:22:58 -0500 From: "Fafa Hafiz Krantz" To: "Andrew L. Gould" , advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 06:22:58 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 213.187.181.70 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050507112258.041AA4BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: Want a logo competition? Do it properly. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 11:22:59 -0000 > > No. >=20 > As a user that has reaped far more benefit from the FreeBSD, and thus > from its developers, than I could ever contribute, I agree with Dan's > rather concise answer. That is your manifesto. FreeBSD is more dependant of its users than its users are of FreeBSD. FreeBSD needs to live. Users could always switch to Linux. > I have expressed my views in the email lists; and if I had any talent, I > would submit a logo. The decision, however, belongs to the Core Team. > They've certainly earned it. I agree with you on that. They have earned it. But since it was the community of regular users that spawned the discussions which eventually lead to this logo change, I believe that the community should also get to participate in it. > FreeBSD isn't a country of oppressed people. Using FreeBSD isn't some > sort of god-given right. Often, we users could have a little more > humility, show a little more appreciation and be a little less upity. > (Did I spell that right?) FreeBSD is for man kind by man kind. FreeBSD is for rich, spoiled people by rich, spoiled people. The same way FreeBSD is for oppressed people, by oppressed people. All people. We users (those of us who represent the next generation) are the ones that'll eventually be put in charge of the project after our current leaders retire or die. I also agree with you that most BSD people need a change of attitude. 30% of all e-mails are more rude than even people with intentions to kill would utter before killing. -- Fafa Hafiz Krantz Research Designer @ http://www.home.no/barbershop Enlightened @ http://www.home.no/barbershop/smart/sharon.pdf --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm