From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 00:03:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3B6A39 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:03:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A938FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TcPgu-0000nM-88 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:03:20 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:03:20 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:03:20 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: Another question about pkgng Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <50B1422A.7070902@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:03:14 -0000 On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:54:50 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 24/11/2012 20:28, Walter Hurry wrote: >> When I issue 'pkg version -R' it does not actually use the remote >> repository for comparison; instead it uses the local cache of the >> remote repository, i.e. it checks local.sqlite against repo.sqlite. >> >> That's fine, but should it not do a 'pkg update' first? > > That would be consistent with the way 'pkg upgrade' and 'pkg install' > behave, so personally I think that would be a yes. > > Can you open an issue on Github so this point does not get forgotten > please? > > https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/issues > Thanks, Matthew. Done - Issue #396 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 00:25:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBECD3C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:2:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0892E8FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:25:06 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap8EALxksVDLevdH/2dsb2JhbABEwFRzgh4BAQQBOEEFCwsOExMDDwkDAgECAUUGDQEHAQEFh34FDb0cjDeEQQOmRYMC Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2012 10:55:05 +1030 Message-ID: <50B16353.8030708@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 10:46:19 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121030 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Daneliuk Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready? References: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> <50B10185.2010500@bnrlabs.com> <50B105AE.4050008@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <50B105AE.4050008@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:25:07 -0000 On 25/11/2012 04:06, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > But I have had essentially no problems doing in-place major rev > updates with FreeBSD thus far. The only breakage I am worried about > now is whether the new compiler change breaks things that used to > work just fine. For example, will my make.conf settings be properly > observed by the new tool chain? If you want to build with clang wait for 9.1 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=threads/165173 I have been running 9.0 built with clang for most of the year as my desktop machine without any other issues. As far as your make.conf goes that will depend on what you have in there. Most gcc flags will either work or be ignored. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 00:36:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6E8E29 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01938FC1B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAP0anlH042353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:36:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <50B1681E.8070700@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:36:46 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready? References: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> <20121125065854.1198fee8@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20121125065854.1198fee8@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:36:49 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: qAP0anlH042353 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:36:59 -0000 On 11/24/2012 05:58 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:38:35 -0600 > Tim Daneliuk wrote: > >> I am currently running FBSD 8.3-STABLE on a production server that >> provides http, dns, smtp, and so on for a small domain. This is not >> a high arrival rate environment but it does need to be rock solid >> (which FBSD 4-8 have been). > > why would you like to break a running system? That's exactly what I don't want to do. >> >> I am contemplating moving to the FBSD 9 family. Is this branch ready > > I would stay with 8.x until the end of its support and move only then > to a new branch. It could be then 9.x or 10.y. I would then - but only > then - prefer the 10.y branch. > > I retired my 7.4 only because of lightning strike this spring. > > Robustness is my main goal here. Any change which brings only the risk > is avoided. I used to take this approach. However, I discovered the pain of fixing a configuration that jumped several major releases was way higher than tracking them each as they became stable. I did the 9.1-PRE upgrade today and - once the new system was compiled and ready to be installed - had only very minor conversion issues. In my case, the most painful part of conversion is the mail infrastructure. The server in question is the domain's mail server and it has a LOT of moving parts with custom configurations: sendmail, greylisting, mailscanner, spam assassin, mailman, SASL ... That is pretty much always what breaks. Doing smaller "leaps" tends to make this more tractable to control. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 00:37:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9ABBFCB; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jindanupajit@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5D08FC1B; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id s9so10530000iec.13 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:37:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:return-receipt-to:disposition-notification-to :message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=42ja/yBv2yVIje7RU2CKAA48dRIhLtKiTZuyfQrXdQw=; b=z/Ok5N8073+W9ucsPOBxcU55T60+Is2kOTmqVHENbVYcKpoy2iOwKPRKVc8nm8FNqW YiC9lIu2FbHO6D+J9E0E7k5muVt1OygNpAfWQ8D0NbCI9cgaGhiWRMPs91jAx8squqpb WBTLbGtJLY074ohDs0qJC9NWXbE5WCeXz5+0pa8dX1u/mOL2f+7PgpEIR0CKo9e3rj3b IOGxfLGScOCpbhWFJb3We6daz5hIeEVSRZxjhADReHVB/w96pVNPHDa1q7P+wqwzsOvN 3xLtD44uC8AMekBT9TyDdBJtn8DUb1Oz/AF9ju0wPeIen+fy+LL262UaPP8w+l4zR5fk mWqg== Received: by 10.50.34.225 with SMTP id c1mr9881141igj.67.1353803868553; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.215.204 (bda-74-82-85-67.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.85.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ff4sm7537047igc.13.2012.11.24.16.37.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:37:48 -0800 (PST) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 159124713 Message-ID: <159124713-1353803866-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1920259822-@b26.c22.bise6.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: Normal References: <50B1422A.7070902@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Another question about pkgng To: "Walter Hurry" , owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Krissada Jindanupajit" Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:37:41 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jindanupajit@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:37:49 -0000 DQotIFNlbnQgdmlhIEJsYWNrQmVycnkgZnJvbSBUaGFpIENpdHJ1cw0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFs IE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogV2FsdGVyIEh1cnJ5IDx3YWx0ZXJodXJyeUBnbWFpbC5jb20+ DQpTZW5kZXI6IG93bmVyLWZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnRGF0ZTogU3VuLCAy NSBOb3YgMjAxMiAwMDowMjo1MSANClRvOiA8ZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc+ DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogQW5vdGhlciBxdWVzdGlvbiBhYm91dCBwa2duZw0KDQpPbiBTYXQsIDI0 IE5vdiAyMDEyIDIxOjU0OjUwICswMDAwLCBNYXR0aGV3IFNlYW1hbiB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiBPbiAy NC8xMS8yMDEyIDIwOjI4LCBXYWx0ZXIgSHVycnkgd3JvdGU6DQo+PiBXaGVuIEkgaXNzdWUgJ3Br ZyB2ZXJzaW9uIC1SJyBpdCBkb2VzIG5vdCBhY3R1YWxseSB1c2UgdGhlIHJlbW90ZQ0KPj4gcmVw b3NpdG9yeSBmb3IgY29tcGFyaXNvbjsgaW5zdGVhZCBpdCB1c2VzIHRoZSBsb2NhbCBjYWNoZSBv ZiB0aGUNCj4+IHJlbW90ZSByZXBvc2l0b3J5LCBpLmUuIGl0IGNoZWNrcyBsb2NhbC5zcWxpdGUg YWdhaW5zdCByZXBvLnNxbGl0ZS4NCj4+IA0KPj4gVGhhdCdzIGZpbmUsIGJ1dCBzaG91bGQgaXQg bm90IGRvIGEgJ3BrZyB1cGRhdGUnIGZpcnN0Pw0KPiANCj4gVGhhdCB3b3VsZCBiZSBjb25zaXN0 ZW50IHdpdGggdGhlIHdheSAncGtnIHVwZ3JhZGUnIGFuZCAncGtnIGluc3RhbGwnDQo+IGJlaGF2 ZSwgc28gcGVyc29uYWxseSBJIHRoaW5rIHRoYXQgd291bGQgYmUgYSB5ZXMuDQo+IA0KPiBDYW4g eW91IG9wZW4gYW4gaXNzdWUgb24gR2l0aHViIHNvIHRoaXMgcG9pbnQgZG9lcyBub3QgZ2V0IGZv cmdvdHRlbg0KPiBwbGVhc2U/DQo+IA0KPiBodHRwczovL2dpdGh1Yi5jb20vcGtnbmcvcGtnbmcv aXNzdWVzDQo+IA0KVGhhbmtzLCBNYXR0aGV3LiBEb25lIC0gSXNzdWUgIzM5Ng0KDQpfX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlv bnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0DQpodHRwOi8vbGlzdHMuZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcvbWFp bG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucw0KVG8gdW5zdWJzY3JpYmUsIHNlbmQgYW55 IG1haWwgdG8gImZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zLXVuc3Vic2NyaWJlQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIg0K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 00:42:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E5F1A5 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55808FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAP0fp7k072223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:41:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <50B1694C.8010600@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:41:48 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready? References: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> <50B10185.2010500@bnrlabs.com> <50B105AE.4050008@tundraware.com> <50B16353.8030708@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: <50B16353.8030708@ShaneWare.Biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:41:51 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: qAP0fp7k072223 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:42:00 -0000 On 11/24/2012 06:16 PM, Shane Ambler wrote: > On 25/11/2012 04:06, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > >> But I have had essentially no problems doing in-place major rev >> updates with FreeBSD thus far. The only breakage I am worried about >> now is whether the new compiler change breaks things that used to >> work just fine. For example, will my make.conf settings be properly >> observed by the new tool chain? > > > If you want to build with clang wait for 9.1 > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=threads/165173 I plan to stay conservative and only switch to clang when it is THE way to build everything. i.e., When GCC is finally retired for use in the base OS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 01:34:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C320A715 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.113]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2C88FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.183.182] by nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 01:34:29 -0000 Received: from [77.238.184.75] by tm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 01:34:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp144.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 01:34:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353807269; bh=DcRBXz3ic60j9EvinQPZWVWKPEFeEdpsG6zqp9V7hok=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=11HiUU4IgLZ1jTjIbBrkBg0WV1+eeEkKgYsrQgVAoic2/HmlbBNtF0c4r0TSgi78rJLezIWgiuXJ4TUfKYVbjmt0dW4xJi2JjeDzjEsBzYSkB+x8sKLSZL7cguVwbJ1rO8dCAtSkNQcMAiaaANG2j7PkbaGM70qalQObWp0nS2s= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 912634.86440.bm@smtp144.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: a8wbpUAVM1lfAqdL_.8rF8J4f1G_Z9Wwut3NoJ8idwQQECg vqWKkvgXw5DAUMt_2G.lzimN8bzsZGQLVYQMOiXnLkS6HILLenaEo8Bh7Ova aglCx5WshjJRXORC2RvBOGLkzKU3vYucdWXxk8R_RpQZbVOZYDT02ZP8.10z DZfV6xz4ann62jOqWAqUp.eat7l30e2prlqL4vB8yeUjgZr0qCFlcBmUcqmd lvX6T8084V4_dGuJJe8XMdvnubq0LFDqbbjOnI03VoTL2Auplbf8P5OXzxVz YyUSWLiQQxx9qTv8tuaHHYBKiSTfatqYDE6CZjfRlvFZSgiIrisLUYC.esh4 9du6r_sJxRgfTmURMSR9loYSs1rw_e9jJtSjELA2s7A7EDUff.eAn5vpKKP5 3pfBFzLv5p_zZQGVVSiiexpRlaFbhc0BLQ..j8.kSoAlZogYx6rexh1zp11G 3VOy8RDp1Kwdgc7ltNGO1fRsfwkCvoGcSAfaGbdKpBy53eBEPapJSPpAY2.D VUDWRNa70bIFESiXlVPy2MQDH23UhmBN8QdMFilJE1_agOel.T7Qyp2v6ECC eqA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [78.50.22.87] (ralf.mardorf@78.50.22.87 with login) by smtp144.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 01:34:29 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:34:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> <20121124233520.7ad4b4be.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353798889.2662.46.camel@q> <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:34:37 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 00:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > I meant the "really manual mode" (CLI) as to be seen in > Fig. 3-10, named "Shell" (that's why the confusion, sorry). > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html "Manually Create Partitions" doesn't work. The MD5sum for the ISO was ok and the burned DVD was verified. I did not test "Shell" until now and it's to late to search and read a howto. When startup finished I push enter > Install > keyboard: German ISO-8859-1 > hostname: freebsd > [*] doc, games, lib32, ports, src > Guided Partitioning > Select the disk on which to install FreeBSD: ada0 > Partition (not "Entire Disk") > Continuing doesn't work, or I don't know what to do. FWIW, I'll use MBR and if possible / only. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 01:41:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6B77CA for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:41:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58868FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.232] by nm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 01:41:18 -0000 Received: from [217.146.188.169] by tm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 01:41:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp137.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 01:41:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353807678; bh=eEhqyVKPaC3FDR7OU4pPh4DQ7b4GvQXJHBtpIa3AKIs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xSG4gp5JtKb8YDphmeRQRPdqszq8KoDBTDRWNBzfj0AaljT0llkdm/uM3KP07WrPTUg6WabHQhsx87FoDn6tCggbK+M+alpKZppCb8H/N7XyZVAItAUwhLQ1gjSN7ESDbDL1OrwZpS7NfFMwDsXIG7Eyz1F3ud5dIWCvlMEGOzA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 631799.91330.bm@smtp137.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: FhyjoD4VM1lZda.HsOESlO59TkFFLfXaBP1f_nQNqwhp6ZU GYPeFQcIkZdjdyvwXJfp0sTpaktwcVls9H54Hv_wyYjVT3yqQyF5108S53Gm oNqUVWHfYM4hgM4pD.jWqgCyI7qk53aIPbKiOsRzmnvB2zdbehFc6LBzoH75 uouLSkbGEceARi8CUyGCKI7DTVHyJtWvp9D0Zh49j3jwnBQnXqs0uGCO2rGK TmfPQ9R1b2xPpF9wramZJneNFyKx_wA2h9f7OidvH8c4I4IsFlYnzEkS0Fm0 x6Zx..W5JOiS4MMBtIGCJb1Qrc.H1mxJyhWVAuxPMeeellfBRyheaOKzF4kA AWMER.uF.97kDr7YxL9.MKv94VgEfgVrAuHG1wzrSp.wT7BGYr33RB8T.Ub0 byRwMGyu4IBOXfQHC5.r.T8d9rFdB_Z.W4TMg X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [78.50.22.87] (ralf.mardorf@78.50.22.87 with login) by smtp137.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2012 17:41:18 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353807677.2773.19.camel@q> Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:41:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> <20121124233520.7ad4b4be.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353798889.2662.46.camel@q> <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:41:20 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 02:34 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 00:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > I meant the "really manual mode" (CLI) as to be seen in > > Fig. 3-10, named "Shell" (that's why the confusion, sorry). PS: Don't worry, it was clear what you wanted to say. As a newbie regarding to this kind of "partitioning", I just prefer to test the ncurses way first. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 02:57:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD763EFD; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:57:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843598FC18; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAP2vD5U018257; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAP2vCY1018254; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:57:12 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Tim Daneliuk Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready? In-Reply-To: <50B14CAA.4000704@tundraware.com> Message-ID: References: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> <50B140AC.2000804@FreeBSD.org> <50B14CAA.4000704@tundraware.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:57:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:57:17 -0000 On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 11/24/2012 03:48 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> It is not however sufficient to get you a completely upgraded system: >> you will still have to re-install all of your ports. Otherwise, as you >> end up trying to upgrade ports by ones and twos over time, you'll end up >> with a complete rat's nest of contradictory shared library dependencies >> and programs crashing left, right and centre. > > So I am discovering. I moved the system to 9.1-PRE today with a > source compile. After I then did a make remove-old, the system > started complaining about missing libraries. So ... I temporarily > fixed this with appropriate /etc/libmap.conf entires. I am now > about to do a portupgrade -aARrvf to redo the ports. We'll see > how that goes... portupgrade -avf is equivalent (-r and -R are redundant with -a). Including -c helps to get the config screens out of the way up front. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 03:05:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E72B11E for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:05:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pulley@dabus.com) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (aegir.dabus.com [173.14.229.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A9E8FC18 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aegir.dabus.com (Processor) with ESMTP id 7765B5F314 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:05:35 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; b=AMuw4TS9uZROoy6AScmFTgBAtDZZoHzetgiYUFRhLAGxITWHUuYJOimB88LOHy+xCtEsO0ZDe9td95gS40vaczr3ohn3kIz85mrvI3KdG0WgODbq53t18JSJaXa4y8S8+ZJ2AO90FE0Z9tWJCfudGZtx6PWdtlAIaaoLngZ2kMA=; c=nofws; d=dabus.com; q=dns; s=aegir1 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (unknown [192.168.10.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aegir.dabus.com (Dabus) with ESMTPSA id 8F14B5F2C5 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:05:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:05:32 -0700 From: Eric S Pulley To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> References: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:05:43 -0000 --On November 24, 2012 10:38:35 AM -0600 Tim Daneliuk wrote: > I am currently running FBSD 8.3-STABLE on a production server that > provides http, dns, smtp, and so on for a small domain. This is not > a high arrival rate environment but it does need to be rock solid (which > FBSD 4-8 have been). > > I am contemplating moving to the FBSD 9 family. Is this branch ready > for production or should I wait a while yet? I ordinarily avoid x.0 > releases of anything and I know 9.1 is soon going to be with us. > > In a related note, if I do move to 9.x is it sufficient to grab the > appropriate source tree and compile world and kernels, install and > reboot? That is, it is reasonable to do an in-place upgrade. This > is how I migrated 4->6, 6->7, and 7->8 and I am hoping this is till > the case since a complete reinstall is painful and slow. > I upgraded to 9 on a server that is basically doing what yours is. I used freebsd-update and it did all the right things no problems. Been running on 9 without any issues pretty much since it came out. However, the only thing remotely fancy I'm doing is running root ZFS and link aggregation on my NIC's. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 03:06:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6191C5 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:06:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960378FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAP36oSj018365; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAP36oQR018362; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:06:49 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? In-Reply-To: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> Message-ID: References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:06:50 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:06:51 -0000 On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I use the amd64 install DVD. > > With or without deleting, I can't format a bootable FreeBSD partition to > ada0s1, aka Linux /dev/sda1. FWIW if I reinstall GRUB legacy > to /dev/sda, the boot flag will be set for the extended > partition. /dev/sda1 is an empty ext3 partition, size 57.83 GiB. Delete it, or set it to type 0xa5. I think the first is probably better for bsdinstall to see it as available. Expect boot loaders to be overwritten, so make a backup, preferably of everything. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 05:35:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190BF513 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:35:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B518FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (pool-98-112-217-228.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [98.112.217.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id qAP5ZLec029270; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:35:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <50B1681E.8070700@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:35:21 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <449296BC-0DDA-4312-A1BA-CC394C4A8BCD@lafn.org> References: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> <20121125065854.1198fee8@X220.ovitrap.com> <50B1681E.8070700@tundraware.com> To: Tim Daneliuk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:35:25 -0000 On 24 November 2012, at 16:36, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 11/24/2012 05:58 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:38:35 -0600 >> Tim Daneliuk wrote: >>=20 >>> I am currently running FBSD 8.3-STABLE on a production server that >>> provides http, dns, smtp, and so on for a small domain. This is not >>> a high arrival rate environment but it does need to be rock solid >>> (which FBSD 4-8 have been). >>=20 >> why would you like to break a running system? >=20 > That's exactly what I don't want to do. >=20 >>>=20 >>> I am contemplating moving to the FBSD 9 family. Is this branch = ready >>=20 >> I would stay with 8.x until the end of its support and move only then >> to a new branch. It could be then 9.x or 10.y. I would then - but = only >> then - prefer the 10.y branch. >>=20 >> I retired my 7.4 only because of lightning strike this spring. >>=20 >> Robustness is my main goal here. Any change which brings only the = risk >> is avoided. >=20 > I used to take this approach. However, I discovered the pain of = fixing > a configuration that jumped several major releases was way higher than > tracking them each as they became stable. I did the 9.1-PRE upgrade = today > and - once the new system was compiled and ready to be installed - had > only very minor conversion issues. >=20 > In my case, the most painful part of conversion is the mail = infrastructure. The > server in question is the domain's mail server and it has a LOT of = moving > parts with custom configurations: sendmail, greylisting, mailscanner, = spam > assassin, mailman, SASL ... That is pretty much always what breaks. = Doing > smaller "leaps" tends to make this more tractable to control. I am in a similar situation. Reliability is more important than = anything else. I run similar mail configurations on one server, = although I use different machines for incoming and outgoing mail. Jumps = across versions have been more difficult. I have kept records of the = steps I used for each upgrade and theose help me prepare for the next = one. I am in the middle of jumping from 7.2 to 9.1. One machine is = completely converted and working just fine. I had reliability problems = with 9.0. It kept rebooting or crashing every few days. I am on = 9.1-RC2 at the moment and its been up and working for 34 days now. I = will upgrade it to 9.1 when its released. This one had to be upgraded = early because it was new hardware. The old machine completely died. I = have another server also running 9.1-RC2 but it is not moved into = production yet. It is primarily a news server and has a large news = cache that has to be moved. I am waiting for 9.1 for that. On some of my test machines I have found that 9.1 is the first release = to support the built-in wireless NICs. The "service" command is really = helpful. I frequently can't remember which service is in etc and which = in /usr/local/etc. =20 The largest problem I encountered in the upgrade was the disk structure. = My disks were setup when using FreeBSD 3.5/3.7. As a result, the root = partition is way too small today. I was able to shoe horn 7.2 in by = deleting the kernel symbol files while they were being installed. = 9.0/9.1 just didn't fit at all. Restructuring the disks is a time = consuming job and fairly error prone in getting everything back that is = needed to run production. There is also the issue that the default = formatting uses SU+J which is not compatible with dump live filesystems. = Now I am going to have to find the time to bring the systems down to = remove journaling with no one on-site who has a clue what they are = doing. I currently have 9.1-RCx running on 5 systems and have not had any = stability issues with it. One system is in production but the others = are lightly used. One of them is a 200 MHz machine with either 32 Meg = or 64 Meg memory. It seems to be faster then when it ran 8.2 but I = haven't actually done any measurements. 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From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 10:31:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:37:42 -0000 On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 20:06 -0700, Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > I use the amd64 install DVD. > > > > With or without deleting, I can't format a bootable FreeBSD partition to > > ada0s1, aka Linux /dev/sda1. FWIW if I reinstall GRUB legacy > > to /dev/sda, the boot flag will be set for the extended > > partition. /dev/sda1 is an empty ext3 partition, size 57.83 GiB. > > Delete it, or set it to type 0xa5. I think the first is probably better > for bsdinstall to see it as available. Expect boot loaders to be > overwritten, so make a backup, preferably of everything. It already was deleted for the last attempts. Another day, fortunately I've got much time, so I'll read how to use the shell for partitioning. I don't know if I'm an idiot or if the installer is broken, most likely I'm an idiot + the installer is broken. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 11:07:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AE8AD7 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFC28FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tca3w-0006jv-B9; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:48 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tca3v-0004qF-TC; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:48 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAPB7lp6031065; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:47 GMT (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qAPB7lIS031064; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:47 GMT (envelope-from mexas) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:47 GMT From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201211251107.qAPB7lIS031064@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: illoai@gmail.com, mexas@bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: do I need agp(4) on my amd64 laptop In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:55 -0000 From illoai@gmail.com Sat Nov 24 16:09:29 2012 On 22 November 2012 06:19, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > It is not clear for me from the agp(4) man page, > whether I need this device in the kernel or not. > The pciconf -lv output is below. Or do I need to > show dmesg? > > Please advise > > Thanks > Anton > > > hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79101002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'RS690 Host Bridge' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > pcib1@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79121002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (Internal gfx)' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > pcib2@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79141002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > pcib3@pci0:0:5:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79151002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 1)' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > pcib4@pci0:0:6:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79161002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 2)' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > ahci0@pci0:0:18:0: class=0x01018f card=0x43801002 chip=0x43801002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA' > class = mass storage > subclass = ATA > ohci0@pci0:0:19:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43871002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI0)' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ohci1@pci0:0:19:1: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43881002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI1)' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ohci2@pci0:0:19:2: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43891002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI2)' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ohci3@pci0:0:19:3: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438a1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI3)' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ohci4@pci0:0:19:4: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438b1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI4)' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ehci0@pci0:0:19:5: class=0x0c0320 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43861002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 USB Controller (EHCI)' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > none0@pci0:0:20:0: class=0x0c0500 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43851002 rev=0x14 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SBx00 SMBus Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = SMBus > atapci0@pci0:0:20:1: class=0x010182 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438c1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 IDE' > class = mass storage > subclass = ATA > hdac0@pci0:0:20:2: class=0x040300 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43831002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' > class = multimedia > subclass = HDA > isab0@pci0:0:20:3: class=0x060100 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438d1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 PCI to LPC Bridge' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-ISA > pcib5@pci0:0:20:4: class=0x060401 card=0x00000000 chip=0x43841002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > hostb1@pci0:0:24:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11001022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' > device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > hostb2@pci0:0:24:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11011022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' > device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > hostb3@pci0:0:24:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11021022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' > device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > hostb4@pci0:0:24:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11031022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' > device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > vgapci0@pci0:1:5:0: class=0x030000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x791f1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]' > class = display > subclass = VGA > bge0@pci0:16:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x171314e4 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' > device = 'NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express' > class = network > subclass = ethernet > siba_bwn0@pci0:48:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x1371103c chip=0x431214e4 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' > device = 'BCM4311 802.11a/b/g' > class = network > cbb0@pci0:2:4:0: class=0x060700 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x04761180 rev=0xb6 hdr=0x02 > vendor = 'Ricoh Co Ltd' > device = 'RL5c476 II' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-CardBus You bring up a good point. Your laptop is almost the same as mine, & the graphics chip is connected via PCI Express. I should see if it builds & runs without agp. Mine is HP Compaq 6715s. As far as I can see building a kernel with agp(4) doesn't make it appear in dmesg, which to me indicates I don't need it. But I'm not sure... I'm having wierd problems with X and I'm trying to understand better what's going on. Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 11:11:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22001D72 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBCD8FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tca7c-0006r7-MK; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:36 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tca7c-0004sp-5O; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:36 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAPBBZQh031089; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:35 GMT (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qAPBBZBT031088; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:35 GMT (envelope-from mexas) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:35 GMT From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201211251111.qAPBBZBT031088@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: illoai@gmail.com, mexas@bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: do I need agp(4) on my amd64 laptop In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:38 -0000 From illoai@gmail.com Sat Nov 24 16:09:29 2012 > On 22 November 2012 06:19, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >> It is not clear for me from the agp(4) man page, >> whether I need this device in the kernel or not. >> The pciconf -lv output is below. Or do I need to >> show dmesg? >> >> Please advise >> >> Thanks >> Anton >> >> >> hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79101002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'RS690 Host Bridge' >> class = bridge >> subclass = HOST-PCI >> pcib1@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79121002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (Internal gfx)' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-PCI >> pcib2@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79141002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-PCI >> pcib3@pci0:0:5:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79151002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 1)' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-PCI >> pcib4@pci0:0:6:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79161002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 2)' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-PCI >> ahci0@pci0:0:18:0: class=0x01018f card=0x43801002 chip=0x43801002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA' >> class = mass storage >> subclass = ATA >> ohci0@pci0:0:19:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43871002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI0)' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = USB >> ohci1@pci0:0:19:1: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43881002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI1)' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = USB >> ohci2@pci0:0:19:2: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43891002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI2)' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = USB >> ohci3@pci0:0:19:3: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438a1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI3)' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = USB >> ohci4@pci0:0:19:4: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438b1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI4)' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = USB >> ehci0@pci0:0:19:5: class=0x0c0320 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43861002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 USB Controller (EHCI)' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = USB >> none0@pci0:0:20:0: class=0x0c0500 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43851002 rev=0x14 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SBx00 SMBus Controller' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = SMBus >> atapci0@pci0:0:20:1: class=0x010182 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438c1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 IDE' >> class = mass storage >> subclass = ATA >> hdac0@pci0:0:20:2: class=0x040300 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43831002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' >> class = multimedia >> subclass = HDA >> isab0@pci0:0:20:3: class=0x060100 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438d1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 PCI to LPC Bridge' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-ISA >> pcib5@pci0:0:20:4: class=0x060401 card=0x00000000 chip=0x43841002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-PCI >> hostb1@pci0:0:24:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11001022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' >> device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration' >> class = bridge >> subclass = HOST-PCI >> hostb2@pci0:0:24:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11011022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' >> device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map' >> class = bridge >> subclass = HOST-PCI >> hostb3@pci0:0:24:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11021022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' >> device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller' >> class = bridge >> subclass = HOST-PCI >> hostb4@pci0:0:24:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11031022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' >> device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control' >> class = bridge >> subclass = HOST-PCI >> vgapci0@pci0:1:5:0: class=0x030000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x791f1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]' >> class = display >> subclass = VGA >> bge0@pci0:16:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x171314e4 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' >> device = 'NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express' >> class = network >> subclass = ethernet >> siba_bwn0@pci0:48:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x1371103c chip=0x431214e4 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' >> device = 'BCM4311 802.11a/b/g' >> class = network >> cbb0@pci0:2:4:0: class=0x060700 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x04761180 rev=0xb6 hdr=0x02 >> vendor = 'Ricoh Co Ltd' >> device = 'RL5c476 II' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-CardBus > > You bring up a good point. Your laptop is almost the same as mine, > & the graphics chip is connected via PCI Express. > I should see if it builds & runs without agp. > Looks like drm requires agp for the kernel to link correctly. Oh well. ... drm_agpsupport.o: In function `drm_agp_free_memory': /home/svn/9.1/src/sys/dev/drm/drm_agpsupport.c:(.text+0xcba): undefined reference to `agp_fi nd_device' /home/svn/9.1/src/sys/dev/drm/drm_agpsupport.c:(.text+0xcd4): undefined reference to `agp_fr ee_memory' drm_agpsupport.o: In function `drm_agp_init': /home/svn/9.1/src/sys/dev/drm/drm_agpsupport.c:(.text+0xdb8): undefined reference to `agp_fi nd_device' /home/svn/9.1/src/sys/dev/drm/drm_agpsupport.c:(.text+0xe2f): undefined reference to `agp_ge t_info' *** [kernel] Error code 1 ... ok, I get it. I think I built drm and agp together, hence I haven't encountered this error. Do you use radeon video driver? Do you use radeondrm device in kernel? This only place I see this is in src/sys/amd64/conf/NOTES. My understanding is that to get drm working with the radeon driver, I need to add radeondrm to the kernel, but again, I'm not sure. Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 11:26:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2286BFDF for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:26:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm23-vm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm23-vm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.151]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7388FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm23.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 11:26:14 -0000 Received: from [77.238.184.60] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 11:26:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp129.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 11:26:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353842774; bh=HlBcu5sqY8ZcJkOuqlnn7IwUJccjfJM07rHXlAqz1v8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dq5eMGp/t1KjCpzxaVP+s6JmdE+mmzmlldbXEds5FmuXEMzE64/XvE0x7vu1r9mCgqr7a+kz6a/9N23tyzQ76tcvP035RSePmQ5XDKclggZjOis0H4RUZMBNH5If8Bqsk26c0jg+/XuGd2DD1QoFqkdAcfbW9IkYh6WKJfntA0o= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 61104.12556.bm@smtp129.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: p0YV1zwVM1mpcgjzmIE0m.Hajrg6xQSAb6wdw0ad3BCj_bf l_E.7hvRojsLwf97SMSyZVqACQkFxmLNKsFv6va6d2mdMVDbuI050d.U7ODm IsA6g9fPrdCQDPCVfGXj5Yv8lOAzXDY.ekXMgwMc2K91vI0fhhJRjqJWqR7t KM_kLmM1_cYK2nEKwhHoIRY4RAQxnokUAy.G8XyLAPVVlPJhyPEkbS_y_XWD IoyqCHx.C8gIWE8MxxGoWEqIsZRWHfLO_TF.XufRER3yt6pZA5o44RlouSAQ LMpGVNWkvmni2irWzREPcZyC4WI.zHv19OW00MR5CEOky.A.FNM0O9Mfto3S 2cu_6uanGbgqOXqxZlFuW8v5nZAuxqu9hM1u_UXdE7bDukyvh8PEHo9Pt_be 13ayksJwaoA_Maxijox8nspDrxK4gtEWse_LzlIE- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp129.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 11:26:13 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> Subject: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:26:14 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:26:22 -0000 This is what I've got: # gpart show ada0 => 63 625142385 ada0 MBR (298G) 63 121274683 - free - (57G) [snip] IIUC I now have to do: # gpart add -s 64k -t freebsd-boot -l boot0 ada0 # gpart add -s 8G -t freebsd-swap -l swap0 ada0 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 256k -l root0 ada0 Here I already don't understand how large the swap should be. Really 2 * size of the RAM? I also don't know if 256k is a sane alignment value, I just copied this from a howto. How to continue after this is done? I want to use GRUB from my Linux installs, this is the Linux menu.lst: timeout 8 default 0 color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue title FreeBSD 9.0 root (hd0,a) kernel /boot/loader [snip] Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:05:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719555F8 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:05:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpielorz_lst@tdx.co.uk) Received: from mail.tdx.com (mail.tdx.com [62.13.128.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B508FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Octca64MkIV.tdx.co.uk (octa64.tdx.co.uk [62.13.130.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.tdx.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/) with ESMTP id qAPC5hRZ083079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:05:43 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:06:06 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz To: Polytropon Subject: Re: freebsd-update - To 'Stable'? Message-ID: <39F2E6C43130FC99BEE99E4F@Octca64MkIV.tdx.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20121122174113.fd724619.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20121122174113.fd724619.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:05:53 -0000 --On 22 November 2012 17:41 +0100 Polytropon wrote: >> I'm looking at switching to 'freebsd-update' - is there an equivalent >> way to get it to update me to '-STABLE'? > > No. The freebsd-update program can only be used to follow > the RELEASE branch, plus the security updates (RELEASE-pN). > Following STABLE branch still requires you to update by > source. Ok, as csup is 'deprecated' - I guess what I need to do is move over to Subversion instead? - As 'freebsd-update' is only going to get me release + security (-pX), not 'stable'. At the moment we have a local host that has the entire FreeBSD source tree on it - so we can just 'cherry pick' versions we need to update - I'd guess / hope a similar setup is possible, but with Subversion... -Karl [Off to look for a setup guide ;)] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:19:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5631FC74 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:19:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE9A8FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-51-39.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.51.39]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7328027658 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:19:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAPCJ8FD001882 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:19:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:19:08 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? Message-Id: <20121125131908.671f6d31.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> <20121124233520.7ad4b4be.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353798889.2662.46.camel@q> <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:19:09 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:34:28 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 00:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > I meant the "really manual mode" (CLI) as to be seen in > > Fig. 3-10, named "Shell" (that's why the confusion, sorry). > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html > > "Manually Create Partitions" doesn't work. The MD5sum for the ISO was ok > and the burned DVD was verified. How does "doesn't work" appear? As far as I know, the difference to manual is that in _this_ method, you need to create your partitions yourself (the default behaviour in ye olde sysinstall); otherwise, I think one partition covering the whole slice will be created, this can be sub-optimum (especially in "worse case scenarios"). > I did not test "Shell" until now and it's to late to search and read a > howto. The "Shell" way should always work, even when the installer should "know better". You can find details on how to use the CLI tools in Warren's article. > When startup finished I push enter > Install > keyboard: German > ISO-8859-1 > hostname: freebsd > [*] doc, games, lib32, ports, src > > Guided Partitioning > Select the disk on which to install FreeBSD: ada0 > > Partition (not "Entire Disk") > That's the correct approach. > Continuing doesn't work, or I don't know what to do. FWIW, I'll use MBR > and if possible / only. Maybe it's because you have a totally non-standard content already on the disk (many Linusi, "extended DOS partitions" and so on, and the installer gets confused). That's why it would probably be easier to drop to the "Shell" command line and use either fdisk + bsdlabel _or_ gpart. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:29:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB9C4EE for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:29:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4E08FC15 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.183.213] by nm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 12:29:12 -0000 Received: from [217.146.182.85] by tm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 12:29:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp150.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 12:29:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353846551; bh=MNzyPZGlzt+SoggQHLvsMQSW8fVdkVOLnmNHeBVJ9Fc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2S2mOt7y+ppZG7wmPwhLr+Ib/DvFH/VRcSaJbSGs7Jxjo+S7MyVsaKA+dhXWQNYVegYySpZbAV0TNRZi3C8OeYHinII9aLmNvyNs8YKAqIdvDPjB0M9iPqwzDTgJbjEeidqQNiNrIVS9MisBfVj86kpzL1UgoGWyL16W1G2sEvI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 977832.10744.bm@smtp150.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: vdYyFK0VM1kqhcg2HF2H35052_eKkT0zNtUZKpwKtPu.NZ8 A.J4zSCvpVVzHlurou5xHWGbonkdIg6K5kelHlBn2tD.8Nq4ekHqA1Ul7oho VDvRWQo8AyTwOSx9ExaNxitSsHAALlxK2iVdRkmoA8zgTJsBmWRRFZs7UGMq 5GHb4jjRICpPdN2TlU8_PSR9fwpSzfcOhZ_2Cc8TEJBOj8fC6gitTdo0s.gq N2YT9b0SvXQzTM412dKVJrlfPjvRFLXRyfRpMLLZdNKPtrZn0i1NDntcn0Et x9sEvh2MxB9L9NZrZYHr2do2EFTwn1BY9moKUXiux0h1v0k6KOnoPHzXZ3US S2ZBymQRUAbm95Vrozecx5xlsAt7jgMkJx4fNLpbycaUKhjbddYo34MkK.pY BXvH7X.2JmtLwiI6LoLbrwNJSp227FD0JK35wHLtX6WEnNl9WTQ9DUaZcs21 5_THE0fF1j_s4oYs2tAGyehr3tTgiVDuqtrgoXnU1LJOaBapkXt6IyrhN2Wb hahXnF6iBk9O0923s8.u_NxEE6kWfOQlMK_XE_i0ZxwAekqvnisgEDg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp150.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 04:29:11 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353846552.2508.23.camel@q> Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:29:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20121125131908.671f6d31.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> <20121124233520.7ad4b4be.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353798889.2662.46.camel@q> <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> <20121125131908.671f6d31.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:29:14 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:19 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > How does "doesn't work" appear? My apologies that I didn't wrote all error messages, they were about non-bootable and other things. I guess it' s better to ignore this and to continue with ... > Maybe it's because you have a totally non-standard content > already on the disk (many Linusi, "extended DOS partitions" > and so on, and the installer gets confused). That's why it > would probably be easier to drop to the "Shell" command line > and use either fdisk + bsdlabel _or_ gpart. ... gpart. Right now I'll shut down Linux and restart the installer and simply try, what I've written here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-November/246767.html I'll wait a few minutes, perhaps you read it and say if this is ok. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:29:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66E54F7 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628608FC17 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-51-39.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.51.39]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7763D27658 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:29:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAPCTULg001963 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:29:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:29:30 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart Message-Id: <20121125132930.3a417be5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:29:30 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:26:14 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > This is what I've got: > > # gpart show ada0 > => 63 625142385 ada0 MBR (298G) > 63 121274683 - free - (57G) > [snip] > > IIUC I now have to do: > > # gpart add -s 64k -t freebsd-boot -l boot0 ada0 > # gpart add -s 8G -t freebsd-swap -l swap0 ada0 > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 256k -l root0 ada0 > > Here I already don't understand how large the swap should be. Really 2 * > size of the RAM? Won't be wrong; my understanding of the rule was "2 * size of _possible_ RAM in the machine". But disk space is cheap, so 8 G should be fine. But again, the requirement for the swap partition depends on what you're doing with the machine and what you're expecting (e. g. will you want to save kernel dumps to the swap partition?). You can find an example here: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html Also see "man newfs" for options. > I also don't know if 256k is a sane alignment value, I just copied this > from a howto. Modern disks work faster when everything is aligned to 4k. But they _work_ with any other alignment. > How to continue after this is done? You will have new partitions /dev/ada0pN. You need to format them with newfs. If I see this correctly, you have created one big / partition (for everything); this is _valid_ and possible, but may be less optimum for a couple of reasons. Doing "functional partitioning" requires at least an idea of how much disk space will be needed per functional part, and this can differ from use as server or desktop, or what kind of software you run. The advantage is that you can backup data partition-wise (using dump + restore) and have a functional base system on / in case there's a severe disk corruption. The disadvantage is that if finally one partition is "too full", you cannot easily resize them (even though this is possible). When done, add them to your /etc/fstab. You can use the labels for that instead of the device names. > I want to use GRUB from my Linux installs, this is the Linux menu.lst: > > timeout 8 > default 0 > color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue > > title FreeBSD 9.0 > root (hd0,a) > kernel /boot/loader My Linux multiboot experience is limited, but this looks okay. You will delegate boot control to the loader, hd0a = sda1 = adap1, the partition of "freebsd-boot" type. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:33:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA371BAF for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lbc@bnrlabs.com) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B7C8FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bnrlabs.com (unknown [82.224.61.5]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C121FA61E6 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:33:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [172.20.96.112]) by mail.bnrlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C438546072 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:33:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:32:25 +0100 From: "Lucas B. Cohen" MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> In-Reply-To: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:33:29 -0000 On 2012.11.25 12:26, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Here I already don't understand how large the swap should be. Really 2 * > size of the RAM? It depends on use patterns and the amount of RAM in your computer. 1.5* to 2* installed memory is a traditional "works for most" value, but I feel it's outdated for 64-bit machines with 8 GB or more. > I also don't know if 256k is a sane alignment value, I just copied this > from a howto. If you're using a single, not too recent-and-huge hard drive, 512 bits (that is, no alignment) is fine. If you have an Advanced Format Drive or you don't know if you do, use 4k. If you have an underlying RAID array, 256k is a better choice. If it's an SSD, go with 4 MB to avoid taking any chances with performance over time. > How to continue after this is done? Once you're satisfied with your partition organization, the easiest is to restart bsdinstall, dd your new partition table somewhere safe (flash drive, or network drive), use the (n?)curses UI to designate the target partitions to install to, and go on with the installation to install the sets. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:37:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B35D81 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C438FC13 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-51-39.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.51.39]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD49B25217; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:37:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAPCb3JP002004; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:37:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:37:03 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Karl Pielorz Subject: Re: freebsd-update - To 'Stable'? Message-Id: <20121125133703.8d4110c0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <39F2E6C43130FC99BEE99E4F@Octca64MkIV.tdx.co.uk> References: <20121122174113.fd724619.freebsd@edvax.de> <39F2E6C43130FC99BEE99E4F@Octca64MkIV.tdx.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:37:04 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:06:06 +0000, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > --On 22 November 2012 17:41 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > > >> I'm looking at switching to 'freebsd-update' - is there an equivalent > >> way to get it to update me to '-STABLE'? > > > > No. The freebsd-update program can only be used to follow > > the RELEASE branch, plus the security updates (RELEASE-pN). > > Following STABLE branch still requires you to update by > > source. > > Ok, as csup is 'deprecated' - I guess what I need to do is move over to > Subversion instead? Sadly, yes. There still is no csup-equivalent (efficient and fast implementation distributed with the base OS) provided yet. And it's not just about "being provided with the OS", but also about nice integration (like /etc/sup/* config files or the option to simply "make update"). > - As 'freebsd-update' is only going to get me release + > security (-pX), not 'stable'. Correct. You _can_ use this to compile your own non-GENERIC kernel, but it will always have the "pre-STABLE" content, just as the rest of /usr/src. > At the moment we have a local host that has the entire FreeBSD source tree > on it - so we can just 'cherry pick' versions we need to update - I'd guess > / hope a similar setup is possible, but with Subversion... It should be possible, as the functionality of CVS and SVN can be seen as quite comparable. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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25 Nov 2012 04:43:46 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353847426.2508.35.camel@q> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:43:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20121125132930.3a417be5.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <20121125132930.3a417be5.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:43:53 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:29 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:26:14 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > This is what I've got: > > > > # gpart show ada0 > > => 63 625142385 ada0 MBR (298G) > > 63 121274683 - free - (57G) > > [snip] > > > > IIUC I now have to do: > > > > # gpart add -s 64k -t freebsd-boot -l boot0 ada0 > > # gpart add -s 8G -t freebsd-swap -l swap0 ada0 > > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 256k -l root0 ada0 > > > > Here I already don't understand how large the swap should be. Really 2 * > > size of the RAM? > > Won't be wrong; my understanding of the rule was "2 * size of > _possible_ RAM in the machine". But disk space is cheap, so > 8 G should be fine. But again, the requirement for the swap > partition depends on what you're doing with the machine and > what you're expecting (e. g. will you want to save kernel dumps > to the swap partition?). > > You can find an example here: > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html > > Also see "man newfs" for options. I'll read this. I want to test what's possible and/or impossible regarding to MIDI and audio productions using FreeBSD. > > I also don't know if 256k is a sane alignment value, I just copied this > > from a howto. > > Modern disks work faster when everything is aligned to 4k. > But they _work_ with any other alignment. I'll use 4k. > > How to continue after this is done? > > You will have new partitions /dev/ada0pN. You need to format > them with newfs. If I see this correctly, you have created > one big / partition (for everything); this is _valid_ and > possible, but may be less optimum for a couple of reasons. Until now I haven't done anything. It's still free. > Doing "functional partitioning" requires at least an idea > of how much disk space will be needed per functional part, > and this can differ from use as server or desktop, or what > kind of software you run. On Linux I only use /. So I don't have to think about how much space what directory might need and I never run into issues, when the file system hierarchy does change. Off cause I've got special partitions for audio productions mounted with noatime and a own partition for emails, but anything else, including /home is inside /. > The advantage is that you can > backup data partition-wise (using dump + restore) and have > a functional base system on / in case there's a severe > disk corruption. The disadvantage is that if finally one > partition is "too full", you cannot easily resize them > (even though this is possible). On Linux I can backup partition-wise too, but it's also possible to backup directory-wise ;). Btw. I never sync backups, I always keep several backups of the system, since setting up a hard real-time jitter free DAW is a special task for modern computers. In the 80s hard real-time really was hard real-time (C64, Atari ST), nowadays it is hard work to get something similar. > When done, add them to your /etc/fstab. You can use the > labels for that instead of the device names. > > I want to use GRUB from my Linux installs, this is the Linux menu.lst: > > > > timeout 8 > > default 0 > > color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue > > > > title FreeBSD 9.0 > > root (hd0,a) > > kernel /boot/loader > > My Linux multiboot experience is limited, but this looks okay. > You will delegate boot control to the loader, hd0a = sda1 = adap1, > the partition of "freebsd-boot" type. Thank you. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:57:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E01714 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7903B8FC13 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.48] by nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 12:57:29 -0000 Received: from [217.146.189.64] by tm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 12:57:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 12:57:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353848249; bh=5z2mVYe4As9cUUe2x5mIbn3UC+ru3ATpTtxG9sBh7wM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BEEg9TFqt94RnjogMUHqpwWQp3H1pIHbPozEgu5dD4U9uPHKLFvGF2egy0DrX/RGPc7MI0s1wi8YZqTbucF3qyRsZu2BkHly+yM2s8jopS49gRZokYlFYIvhENCU26VSWJrTbuS6vEPgyfI3PmZxC6lTehkKEYyVn8/kYzM4lxg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 310815.93668.bm@smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: .u0wWEMVM1kuBBirUElteQR.tEMG3rFV6rmGxwD3GhVnh.c cQzVwv_qDszzh7v1zBc1W4Tt8jf96y0KNURrN0_50ahVNQFFJSilZLeW9fE2 xJmEeC9Yj4B8w_UkYf5exeCB9jmbeZ4kS3fR0Dks8vhnDQ_nhPKwZny8wMoD QcBMrWUeHUxa2Xcvf2zMxjz3GbtsU70Cw1txmAkhhrC7FEIrBhY24hNBkiMp P_lQ0XLyX9Fkek.4G.cX5cAo_diWKO1iqVIJdPHCN4D0AVubMIakn0StFz.v fzHxlEUTWXBboxcgZyHnkEBY3r6M7yGqTiYMEsPjpmfDu64gtHI1jED3S1Et dk0dpfYJjTQLBl86h2fbHL7yKWCzZAwnihHbHJT98OMPJ5zXddapDuEV15Ni JTAqCXX2Zb_dQ25pBO7bF0TIiInqt3SFG6LdB3iZrrTd.kbVJ0IPCtcXBL7f I_P_oByTlXH2ZURL6IOSluYr6n6jxglo2l0zRzPyqgCBfvX7Y95goynqZcIh edJetOsUgmSFWgPajrebNS80- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 04:57:29 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:57:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:57:37 -0000 I'm reading http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html at the moment. Seemingly there are many outdated howtos first hits for searching with Google. I frst read 64k for boot and now 512k. IIUC "Install the GPT bootcode into the boot partition" has to be done and is independent of the GRUB in the MBR. On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:32 +0100, Lucas B. Cohen wrote: > On 2012.11.25 12:26, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Here I already don't understand how large the swap should be. Really 2 * > > size of the RAM? > It depends on use patterns and the amount of RAM in your computer. 1.5* > to 2* installed memory is a traditional "works for most" value, but I > feel it's outdated for 64-bit machines with 8 GB or more. It's a 64-bit machine with 4GB RAM. > > I also don't know if 256k is a sane alignment value, I just copied this > > from a howto. > If you're using a single, not too recent-and-huge hard drive, 512 bits > (that is, no alignment) is fine. > If you have an Advanced Format Drive or you don't know if you do, use 4k. > If you have an underlying RAID array, 256k is a better choice. > If it's an SSD, go with 4 MB to avoid taking any chances with > performance over time. No RAID, a modern SATA drives, so 4k seems to be the way to go. Thank you. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:11:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8102D915 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beni.brinckman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D1E8FC12 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n9so12931330oag.13 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:11:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ZTfG9bAMJfhg5ar77u52nCo6CZ0k9sxPUWLbYs/R66U=; b=va1BB7/9QJ01A2aTg58WZjt/Lmxdh9lnNh+vRN372GrXvr+ErdD68ELCwnsYivnDYt mcxxzxDoJxZDUIFkh5G8GWBKRSu0buo2/YOAdU8oGcA+g/VWPs23vXnIjsYmVe52PY11 dQ+JwZSbSE3TlWuO6Tr+gtD6xWT/NkJ4OLgiro5GMbLSNCR2GOOP2QoyXJhEGilUVHV6 qfghZjO/jfLnjf05Oy75BBjmRhidoPkHsyRa2H7BtEkyVcrdEAXWp1QdZizmjC9cr8fS U4zFw7XrJHC3puFrokHpXT1DJPPOouLP1LBhhGwepj2us7Voy/JpZZfANmPHL5ohTlLh ISSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.8.131 with SMTP id r3mr6904274oea.14.1353849094036; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.125.72 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:11:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1353847427.28384.YahooMailNeo@web160503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1353847427.28384.YahooMailNeo@web160503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:11:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Music streaming to iPhone From: Beni Brinckman To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:11:37 -0000 Install the firefly media server (in audio/*firefly-1696_8) *on your server and the simple daap client on you iphone ( https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/simple-daap-client/id369605270?mt=3D8). Connect your iphone to the ip-address of the server and you're done. I'm using it with a nas4free server and an ipod touch without any problems. Beni. 2012/11/25 D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 > Hi Everybody, > > I have all of my music on my BSD server at home, and I would like to > listen that music on my iPhone, when I'm home. > Any ideas? > > Thx! > Laszlo > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 Beni Brinckman. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:13:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD2FB54 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:13:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lbc@bnrlabs.com) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF5C8FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bnrlabs.com (unknown [82.224.61.5]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13773A6221 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:13:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [172.20.96.112]) by mail.bnrlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6279546072 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:13:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50B2197C.2040003@bnrlabs.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:13:32 +0100 From: "Lucas B. Cohen" MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> In-Reply-To: <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:13:38 -0000 On 2012.11.25 13:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > IIUC "Install the GPT bootcode into the boot partition" has to be done > and is independent of the GRUB in the MBR. Not in your case. You won't need bootcode other than GRUB's (in the MBR, and the Linux partition where the bulk of it is installed). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:30:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB60151 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4D48FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.82.105.244] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 13:30:17 -0000 Received: from [217.146.189.64] by tm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 13:30:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 13:30:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353850217; bh=k8h967iie2hYuri3cwm/xVyXKRkTuwaiY7vaOHn1Q1o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lH8KkBiJXZPSFy615G9EgLw0Q1ZQnML5fNvAKHpJE/TG+ZYMjgAYEMp/Ic/uEqMPjX8KUmtVVMKqFCF9Im9YRBV14/rfUD6anH8+l3Rn5v3bbWp/XD2Y3ho8OnOFifL6tqREi89M08h/JBH76kLtBXv7lhADYb8aEaufI8u6SUk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 649838.93669.bm@smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: XGPdILoVM1mrjpdo1uOoiart.iErjzmgryg90JC9arFvem8 DCAoHz6g7phLPd2UvkopwkArv7miunV8_hctUVbC6v9450zSXEapU7ddsyi6 WzkP6J1YrX1UwATYmRRiH0TVYs_jqFjxnorcCVEStoQJfjNpmzMisqTqNZfJ eUBkIwnvfzfB2.pioMVOs6ItYEFCiC9jg_gNS9GtAn638Pdmb55sgXMbU1DZ RWo9OFOQfkF93Uh.V9xtAmPMC0WQAnir107lLKbBs3GWkQVlKJOrNAQDZCK_ aEN2OCaG0GFP9CwXmX2Kst5g.VZtqqVTIN09T7uEohynrjN_xlbaGK1hngM6 egJKLn04DRoPqkGhCv7bLot.f_ywaIf1XeHxZl4c_de7P7sFiEoxkcaY0Gqp 7KOHAZ6rnGNFVOe0dpW.J9AwXp493RBui_5Z8EOXj5eyu_BlF0EpB281BJPC 50sweFsyPR6IMnx7.e4ly7eZWw0tlft2iCCA_96Z4aoQqClEO9LMIzBZnsRS rNOFx.zpufAsWswxGX9AusEQ- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 05:30:17 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353850217.2508.64.camel@q> Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:30:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:30:20 -0000 At the moment I still have: This is what I've got: # gpart show ada0 => 63 625142385 ada0 MBR (298G) 63 121274683 - free - (57G) [snip] Regarding to http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html for my set up it should be ok to run: # gpart add -t freebsd-boot -l boot -b 40 -s 512K ada0 # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -l swap -s 8G ada0 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l root -b 1M ada0 Should use all the free space, so no option -s?! # newfs -U /dev/gpt/root # gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptboot -i 1 ada0 Will install the FreeBSD bootloader independent of the GRUB in the MBR? My GRUB menu.lst still is: timeout 8 default 0 color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue title FreeBSD 9.0 root (hd0,a) kernel /boot/loader [snip] So kernel /boot/loader has to be replaced by /boot/foo? /etc/fstab: # Device Mountpoint FS Options Dump Pass# <-- is this "#" needed at the end? Or is it ok like this: # Device Mountpoint FS Options Dump Pass And this are the entries I need: /dev/gpt/swap none swap sw 0 0 /dev/gpt/root / ufs rw 1 1 *???* Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:35:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214DF360 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576748FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.183.182] by nm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 13:35:37 -0000 Received: from [77.238.184.55] by tm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 13:35:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp124.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 13:35:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353850537; bh=BEP0BpByvxO0xdllonOexZI81m/dTyb93v6u7w5MPEQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XzhlmaTrNn0qNWUoQg9KgeJF5NmE5FW5aM9mocS2f5LTgsUs6xgkccX2J50KtCxLGlqIs9mwB8HNb8F7S9J2kg7bmIiH8DgQNMl0Q16lTQR95eaBDUM7ioucqsGLFuwqmARlOSIhrriRR+DblizCMU0eOJ8Gm9cRTLi46SbVQE4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 53497.78450.bm@smtp124.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: DDCK3rYVM1m35TE6PuojsMOfur4fnesGmBDb.ukHE32eXsj _fbvl0C_g4I2N8fIgn3Q1Xhrw0IvLf4u941CLFpRGZXtxuucfIOcuDhsAFxy qtWp6G6rmiV85IVyKXMqyceaBcSHxONEnufeEuU8S5bMiiNLDZIEEOD1Rkn1 .M3_atYaEx5h4zfF2ieydaGT1pPBi1ednYC_ndQCd00nDdMo2DvtuSXKQOOU V69TNEnwcZy5AgmzXcexBawh2DOB7B8UcS3Asod6QM_W8nc5N6yEAzNhwlaC 3zDZLWQULXCDAJ0FwEAJv63NKPdKBO8wUeRHtfwOwV8Ua9CZSdnZaybgOTVK KxCWK0flk34oGQPYaPoJ_3SPNjnq0TV_ahocJU2a.ZWBX4o0VuTVXir2htz9 joA2tgqLETwCUtmeG269Ux9G7yDoum6nDdVWg8YA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp124.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 13:35:36 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <1353850537.2508.66.camel@q> Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:35:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <50B2197C.2040003@bnrlabs.com> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> <50B2197C.2040003@bnrlabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:35:39 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 14:13 +0100, Lucas B. Cohen wrote: > On 2012.11.25 13:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > IIUC "Install the GPT bootcode into the boot partition" has to be done > > and is independent of the GRUB in the MBR. > Not in your case. You won't need bootcode other than GRUB's (in the MBR, > and the Linux partition where the bulk of it is installed). Thank you. I don't need it, but I could add it for what ever worst case emergency scenario and GRUB in the MBR anyway will work? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:37:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECBA696 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274988FC19 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-51-39.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.51.39]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2862514B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:37:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAPDbu3R002346 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:37:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:37:55 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Manually partitioning using gpart Message-Id: <20121125143755.7b597155.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1353847426.2508.35.camel@q> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <20121125132930.3a417be5.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353847426.2508.35.camel@q> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:37:57 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:43:46 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:29 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > I'll read this. I want to test what's possible and/or impossible > regarding to MIDI and audio productions using FreeBSD. Will be interesting. I know there is some good support for this case in specialized Linux distributions. > > Doing "functional partitioning" requires at least an idea > > of how much disk space will be needed per functional part, > > and this can differ from use as server or desktop, or what > > kind of software you run. > > On Linux I only use /. Yes, this is common, even though Linux can support functional partitioning as well, still ext2/3/4/... partitions != UFS partitions. And with GPT partitioning, it's even easier to separate parts of the system across partitions and devices (which _can_ provide you performance boosts). > So I don't have to think about how much space > what directory might need and I never run into issues, when the file > system hierarchy does change. Off cause I've got special partitions for > audio productions mounted with noatime and a own partition for emails, > but anything else, including /home is inside /. This _could_ develop into disadvantages, like some "half-dead" process filling the whole partition until problems arise. But for common desktop use, it should not be problematic. > > The advantage is that you can > > backup data partition-wise (using dump + restore) and have > > a functional base system on / in case there's a severe > > disk corruption. The disadvantage is that if finally one > > partition is "too full", you cannot easily resize them > > (even though this is possible). > > On Linux I can backup partition-wise too, but it's also possible to > backup directory-wise ;). Tools like rsync or cpdup make selective backing up and restoring easy, that's true. :-) The idea is that if there is some damage, all you need to boot your machine in a minimum and _defined_ state is on /. No need for /usr or /var at this point, so you could - if required - do analytics and recovery from this point on. As all 3rd party software is in /usr/local, there won't be a problem as nothing of that stuff is needed to perform the boot into this early stage (the single user mode). If you don't have to experience such a situation, the better. > Btw. I never sync backups, I always keep several backups of the system, > since setting up a hard real-time jitter free DAW is a special task for > modern computers. In the 80s hard real-time really was hard real-time > (C64, Atari ST), nowadays it is hard work to get something similar. There are specialized operating systems emphasizing real-time use. Still those more simple computers required a "close to the hardware" programming that modern OSes will hardly allow, so if you don't have this kind of access from the OS level, how would you get it from the application level, with tons of dependencies unter your hands? :-) BTW, I still have some Atari ST hardware here. Impressive what has been possible with this (quite limited) machines, but with _efficient_ programs... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:50:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4549FAD4 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:50:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) w