From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 4 22:15:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857D737B400 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.SoftHome.net [66.54.152.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CE5F43E3B for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:15:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yid@softhome.net) Received: (qmail 3893 invoked by uid 417); 5 Sep 2002 05:15:27 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 05:15:27 -0000 Received: from planb ([216.194.4.17]) (AUTH: LOGIN yid@softhome.net) by softhome.net with esmtp; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:15:25 -0600 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:14:25 -0400 From: Joshua Lee To: Terry Lambert Cc: nwestfal@directvinternet.com, dave@jetcafe.org, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-Id: <20020905011425.7f22ac7d.yid@softhome.net> In-Reply-To: <3D76E44E.16950DD@mindspring.com> References: <20020904021149.10d2e0f4.yid@softhome.net> <20020904120659.L88455-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> <20020904234425.669b500a.yid@softhome.net> <3D76E44E.16950DD@mindspring.com> Organization: Plan B Software Labs X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:57:50 -0700 Terry Lambert wrote: > Joshua Lee wrote: > > somewhat earlier, Chief Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook seemed to > > incorporate evolution and other "heretical" ideas into his unique > > theological reconcilliation of modern thought and Orthodoxy. Again, > > as an Orthodox Jew, I'm not an"evolutionist", but I think it's > > somewhat dishonest to label a scientific theory as a religion. > > Heh. That's because: > > "Anything that contradicts doctorine must be someone > else's doctoring, rather than the truth". "Truth" is not the realm of science, science is the art of describing repeated empherical observations with rational mathematics. :-) As such it is as theological as the computer program I am using to compose this message; though indeed some, mostly laymen, do try to make it into a pseudo-religion. (Compte being a case in point.) I don't see science and mathematics as contradictory; several prominant Rabbis have a degree in biology and are even biology professors, for example; because knowledge of biology is indispensable for an important volume of the Talmud and it's corresponding sections of the codes and rulings that are part of getting smicha. (The sections dealing with Kashrus.) The Torah commentator Rashi said on the verse "it is your wisdom and understanding before the nations" that this refers to astronomy and the observations used to calculate the calendar. It is really no wonder that a disproportionate number of famous scientists are Jewish. (Of course, there are plenty of famous Anglo-Saxon scientists too. :-) ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message