From owner-freebsd-current Wed Dec 1 8: 5:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A78915056; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13367; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:05:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA02250; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:05:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199912011605.JAA02250@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: PCCARD eject freeze (was Re: your mail) Cc: Christopher Masto , Nick Hibma , FreeBSD CURRENT Mailing List In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Dec 1999 01:38:32 PST." <199912010938.BAA00461@mass.cdrom.com> References: <199912010938.BAA00461@mass.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:05:38 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199912010938.BAA00461@mass.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: : The only "right" solution is for us to mandate that people down cards : before ejecting them. The physical design of pccards basically gives us : no other option. No matter how hard we try to get it "right" for : spontaneous removal, we can't win that fight. I agree with this. In fact the pccard standard is very careful to state that pccard and cardbus support hot insertion rather than hot swap. I wanted to make it suck less and give poorly written drivers more of a chance to work. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message