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Date:      Wed, 29 May 2002 13:37:47 -0700
From:      "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
Cc:        Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>, John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.ORG>, FreeBSD current users <current@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Seeking OK to commit KSE MIII
Message-ID:  <20020529133747.B683@dragon.nuxi.com>
In-Reply-To: <200205292007.g4TK71YD062671@apollo.backplane.com>; from dillon@apollo.backplane.com on Wed, May 29, 2002 at 01:07:01PM -0700
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On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 01:07:01PM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote:
> :On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 11:26:26AM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote:
> :> > 
> :> > 9) More gratuitous braces as well as gratuituos ()'s and white space
> :> >    changes in ithread_schedule() obfuscate the functional diffs.
> :> 
> :> I guess so though it made it a hell of a lot more readable to me.
> :
> :That isn't the issue.  You have posted a diff that you plan to commit in
> :an implied one-shot event.  If you really have(want) to make these style
> :changes, please commit them, and them alone right now.  That will remove
> :them from this patch and make jhb an Co'.s life easier.
> 
>     No hold on a minute.  Some of us believe that adding those extra
>     braces and parenthesis makes the code a whole lot more readable.  they
>     are NOT gratuitous in the least, certainly not from my point of view!

Uh... Matt where did I say they were.  I requested that they be committed
separately from functionality.  And if they were going to be committed,
for it to happen now.  That is all I said -- nothing more.  I held me
tongue on the "gratuitous" issue and the fact that Julian has a long
history of breaking existing style in his commits.


>     Furthermore, it is an extreme and inappropriate imposition on Julian
>     to require that he extract all the alleged 'gratuitous braces and
>     ()'s)' into a separate commit.

Uh, no it isn't.  That is the rules we operate under.  This type of
request comes up _daily_, and is generally agreed upon by most
committers.  Sorry, but the work involved is just part of making commits.


>     I will say quite bluntly that in the vast majority of cases on these
>     lists where I've seen someone ask for whitespace fixes to be committed
>     separately, I have yet to see any significant (or any at all!) developers
>     take advantage of the separate commits when incorporating the work into
>     their own development trees.  

I personally do look at diffs using
    -r <before_commit> -r <with_WS_only>
followed by
    -r <with_WS_only> -r <with_functionality_only>

Should I start sending an email to -current every time I do so that you
will know that someone does?

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