From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 18 21:01:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F49106564A for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:01:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434F18FC13 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-103-124.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.103.124]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BB93CE29 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:01:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p6IL1rIG005050 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:01:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:01:52 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20110718230152.891217c9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110717071059.25971662@scorpio> <4E22DFE9.7050007@pathscale.com> <201107172016.30727.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4E23989F.7010701@gmail.com> <4e242fab.s4vpgxxZEUq0LFDq%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <1311017168.44397.YahooMailRC@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13800_1311018255_4E248D0F_13800_81_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521864F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:01:55 -0000 On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:32:25 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: > In short, some people chase the newest shiniest thing. Others prefer to > stick with what works. Often, the newest shiniest folks, after they've > gained some wisdom, move to the other camp. So you could well see a > resurgence of BSD as Linux admins who've grown tired of its quirks but have > gained some unix skills start moving back toward the BSD side. And to add this: Sometimes, it's the "old guys" with their "outdated knowledge" and "strange systems" that keep the obsoleted programs of the shiny boxes on artificial life support, so that those who are used to rely on that software that includes a "self destruct mechanism" (see: planned obsolescense) can carry on using it, believing it "just works" and "is everything that exists". :-) Sadly, modern Linusi often don't encourage the user to gain knowledge. Understandable - why should they? It's about "just using", not about knowing anything, as (successfully) propagated by the marketing mechanisms of other systems. The knowledge you need to do work often is short-term knowledge: it's useless as soon as a new product comes out, simply because the new product "does everything better". That's why you don't find a "perfect product", as you could sell this one just ONCE. But just imagine you could sell a car that never fails. When the market is saturated, you don't sell anything anymore. So all the quirks, mistakes, problems and bugs in a product do benefit the selling process of the next product - which of course is promoted to be "free of bugs" (like its predecessor was, and its successor will be). And in regards of software, such a product would be limited to a specific hardware platform, preventing any improvements, maybe even hindering new innovative and useful products entering the market. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...