From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 18 19:59:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64795244D17 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 19:59:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48MWsm5wrRz3MjM for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 19:59:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.36.223]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MpD39-1joGg33d55-00qi3q; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:59:45 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:59:40 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: FreeBSD , "@lbutlr" Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-Id: <20200218205940.04917783.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <20200218183010.5a52441f.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:hp3FkArtb7/CCXLIHEhPpWxHARSBINT4QRQqSiqNkEcUzafF8Ys 3jiSVXYUVKpPGhx29Cy3+zzIOnh3wStbtKYmxdP+WbmSRE2ILnvG7vVdMMT58XStRk+VwQ2 XEGMC4PfI0CSqKtRPGRwGS8cBlP3znLrG+GjQ/kLwBcDfcaehhdVosqzGAvLKVg496DFopP oYqMu1OofU1CAMcyt8s9Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:UtdlKBtseMU=:mE+IcQklQhgvgwqLekd/U8 ebXSqR2wTXPPTAW4W6Rhpbq5dwOcq9+BNLMn0a0QFEd96Sq6S7JnUCFtwsy9B7YUzsEdIunur TtgGTxzlCT/e8Uw8cJ6JUaF/idJeZqW7nUUTfsBWvYUdLsaUrNtf4S7GOEgF78Z+us7hANBA7 N42LvudabHN/Als/obolelEHQQ/Ny/yMzz6TacfXRvk8GpINC/9a3L9ckvy0ic3kWbGBrxRAz haghJuCRzu1r90Zd9IG0ZCFqJOkNonmTYuflLOu2NuIEimdXufzzqRlP+z/oyDUE67mcE21Qt 6ZZqBjCSAzW461kgwosWibReR3OWi4df5D300LxlWLq/Zx/Z8q8lMgliU4X6ap0tvpQs8VP/R QQoONOVmg3J8fdeEdIrHr6ZcawuHzHjxS6ucWM3sWSCU03LT07Wl1OAmnp9erjmSsozqqf5Da KGb1t4IVsNH9+9ll+vWhFYBu5S+Z3fSmTuf5bm88xD7Hz7Y5EiX7QS+ENOwKI7juS37SlWN4q jfJoH8t1qGTtFdxBd0KToND1GJlMzwrrLcvUG/MGcUa3Jyjnmb6Y48KBGaIE3EMYvZo+FNUZz QOO98dTe4FVQPYUATixCyh65doGn7Ny7WD1JF8Mxm2c3sTUJ4v2ofAF+yPgOhtr6qDEjLQELm mK51Rys9kc/hRVCbbKsmoTIB4yPxdDmYZ6whf2Z9fBtZw0wq5P2kvxQe2xrZ/aRcI9LSD0j87 g+IMeQt4Nz8QrzICzijeOSB36l0RAMhaBA+3YR+/HO1tp8dWtOC65+9kOKouTx+i0ny+0RYJ1 A8xRmAePT0kHCYnOpma9QyTKxfWhGi/+mSm5W7RKU4u5fJdA4/1wqLx7QL2ccte6H628D2P X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48MWsm5wrRz3MjM X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.187) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.69 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.36.8.178.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.987,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.993,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[187.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[187.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.31)[ip: (0.48), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.12), asn: 8560(2.19), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 19:59:58 -0000 On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:48:51 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > Hello Poly :-) > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 6:31 PM Polytropon wrote: > > On desktop systems, especially those including web browsers > > and so-called "productivity software" (i. e., office suites), > > security is far more important, as new approaches to broken > > software concepts and flaky hardware (yes, I'm looking at > > you, Mister Intelprocessor!) and their exploitation are > > being invented very quickly. So the OS has to provide the > > optimal solutions for mitigation. A faster release cycle > > surely helps a lot. Newer security flaws probably require > > methods of dealing with them that cannot be easily ported > > to older releases, so that's probably the reason why they > > are not supported that long. > > Sure thing, this is why there are PATCH updates every time they are > important for kernel and base security / stability / other fixes > reasons.. also ports provide their own "on demand" updates that are > separate from base :-) Exactly! This, in combination with the "testing and refinement" process HEAD -> STABLE -> RELEASE, allows FreeBSD to be such a versatile operating system: Not only is it _not_ tied to a specific kidn of use (a desktop, a server, an appliance), but one OS can be used for all those cases, and even for "mixed forms", such as a desktop machine providing server functions; it also allows you to have _one_ OS and still choose if you want to follow an experimental, a bleeding-edge, or a rock solid state of the system. And whatever you choose, you get the full power of all the applications in the ports collection (wuth a few restrictions). Maybe I'm just stupid and ignorant, but what other OS families can offer all this? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...