From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 15:00:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C69D16A4CF for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:00:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701B043D48 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:00:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (132.dairy.twenty4help.se [80.65.195.132]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FF06c7053689; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:00:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <42120E70.3040007@401.cx> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:00:00 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cpghost@cordula.ws References: <420C2C33.4020607@black-star.net> <20050215030014.GA53931@fw.farid-hajji.net> In-Reply-To: <20050215030014.GA53931@fw.farid-hajji.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: Steve Ireland Subject: Re: please, a little sanity about the logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:00:18 -0000 cpghost@cordula.ws wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 10:53:23PM -0500, Steve Ireland wrote: > >>This leads to a suggestion others have already made, a splitting >>of FBSD into hobbyist and professional branches. The hobbyists >>keep Beastie, the .org site, and the non-profit status. The >>professionals get the new logo, the .com site, and pay for use >>and support (perhaps an annual subscription?). > > Quite frankly, I don't understand the current push for > a "commercial-friendly" logo on behalf of the FreeBSD Project. Thats obvious. If you did understand it, we would not have this discussion. > There have always been a few companies that provided > a commercial version on CDs, and nobody would have any > objections that these companies use their own logos to > push their own version (or an unmodified version) of > FreeBSD into the enterprise. This is true, but to me, this solution feels like inventing the wheel several times. We have a perfectly capable os without a logo. Instead of creating a logo for it, you suggest we fork the perfect os into another perfect os and create a logo for that. I do not understand your logic. > This is similar to SuSE, RedHat and others who use their own > logos to distribute the one and only Linux kernel and > an assorted set of libraries and utilities. "Linux" itself > doesn't have a logo either (if we followed the party line > that Tux and Beastie were mascots and not logos). Thats because nobody runs Linux. They run RedHat, SuSe, Debian etc. Linux is a kernel, FreeBSD is an OS. There is a big difference. Your logic here implies that the suggestion would be to create a logo for the FreeBSD *kernel*, and that has afaik never even been brought up. > The FreeBSD Project should IMHO remain vendor neutral, > and stick to code development. Absolutely. No argument here, and so far I have not heard anyone else, pro or con image change, argue otherwise. > There's absolutely no need > to commercialize anything; much less need for any kind of > logo. Now here I have to strongly disagree. See why below. > The project did very well without a logo (and with > Beastie), and there's no reason to have one now, just to > appease those zealots (as you've pointed out). Just leave > this to the vendors. If something does "very well", and a small change would make it do even better without sacrificing anything, would that be bad? If it was only to appease some zealot, I would be strongly against it as well. However, I struggle daily to push freebsd into corporate environments, so I *know* that our totally un-professional image actually keeps us back, bigtime! As pointed out earlier, FreeBSD runs on more edge webservers then most of the linux distros combined, and still hardly anyone outside the community of hardcore geeks knows what BSD is. Just that sentence alone should get people to realize that maybe we are missing something here! -- R