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Date:      Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:44:34 -0500
From:      Tom McLaughlin <tmclaugh@sdf.lonestar.org>
To:        Joe Marcus Clarke <marcus@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD Gnome <gnome@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: For HAL users: [Fwd: FreeBSD Security Advisory	FreeBSD-SA-06:25.kmem]
Message-ID:  <1165430674.1464.8.camel@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <457707C4.1020003@FreeBSD.org>
References:  <1165426804.2231.4.camel@localhost> <1165427110.26350.33.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> <457707C4.1020003@FreeBSD.org>

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On Wed, 2006-12-06 at 13:11 -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
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> Pav Lucistnik wrote:
> > Tom McLaughlin píše v st 06. 12. 2006 v 12:40 -0500:
> > 
> >> This affects anyone with HAL setup properly according to our port's
> >> defaults and uses firewire.
> >>
> >> I like changing the default group to wheel since most Gnome users on
> >> Free will probably already be a part of wheel.  I'll stop beating the
> >> dead horse now. ;)
> > 
> > Wasn't this talked to death with the result, that wheel group must be
> > reserved for users capable of running 'su' *only* ?
> > 
> > 
> 
> wheel _and_ operator are not going to work, but one or the other should
> be fine.  However, hal is not the only GNOME component to use operator.
>    While we do suggest that users that need to mount remote volumes be
> in the operator group, HAL itself is not vulnerable to this problem, and
> I don't think we need to change our operating procedure for something
> that will not be an issue moving forward.

I just want to point out the idea of changing the default group was a
friendly jab after I lost the argument the first time.  Hence the ';)'
at the end.  Humor doesn't always carry over the tubes well. :-/

I know hal isn't vulnerable.  Only forwarded the message because of this
portion of the advisory.

---
Note also that FreeBSD does not have any non-root users in the
"operator" group by default; systems on which no users have been added
to this group are therefore also not vulnerable.
---

It wasn't until a few minutes later that I realized that Gnome users
would probably have non-root users in the group.  I figured it was worth
a heads up.

> 
> For administrators of shared systems, they can decide how best to
> proceed.  They can either choose to patch the system, temporarily change
> the HAL group, or disable HAL altogether.  For users of personal
> workstations, they will most likely not care.
> 
> I do think that airing this on the mailing list is a good thing, though,
> as it will make users aware of the issue.  Perhaps this also warrants an
> addition to the known issues list.
> 
> Joe
> 
> - --
> Joe Marcus Clarke
> FreeBSD GNOME Team	::	gnome@FreeBSD.org
> FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome
> http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome
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