From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 13:42:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FD9106567A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: from syn.atarininja.org (syn.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4AD8FC25 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:42:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: by syn.atarininja.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 768695C5B; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:43:05 -0400 From: Wesley Shields To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Peter Jeremy , Randy Pratt , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Brian Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:42:26 -0000 On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 06:28:44PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:54 PM, Brian wrote: > > > I always do the minimal install over the net. I got X working in 7- > > stable by doing the minimal install, then the following. > > > > pkg_add -r xorg > > pkg_add -r portupgrade > > portupgrade -NRP kde > > pkg_add -r tightvnc. > > On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:59 PM, Randy Pratt wrote: > > > The ports/packages are actually not part of FreeBSD but are third- > > party > > applications. I've often thought that the packages on the > > installation > > disks should really be split to a separate project which produces > > package disks. This would lessen the burden on the Release Engineers > > and perhaps the cycle time between releases. It should also be > > noted that the useful life of a package is limited and outdated very > > quickly. > > Hey, these great comments bring up a different solution, which may be > the way to go. > > It is simple: have a few of the common apps that are net-centric (like > firefox) be simply calls to pkg_add -r in the installer. No ports > databases, no packages on the discs. A few packages may be useful > (like perl) to someone without net access, but many need the net to be > useful. No thanks. This means you have to have a working connection to install firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that it is still necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, bringing us right back to the very issue you are trying to solve. -- WXS