Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:33:20 +0200 From: Andy Sporner <sporner@nentec.de> To: Derek Barrett <derekbarrett@graffiti.net> Cc: freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Application cluster (long post sorry). Message-ID: <3D12F2E0.4080506@nentec.de> References: <20020619182856.30992.qmail@graffiti.net>
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Derek Barrett wrote: >Glad to see you are enthusiatic about this, and it looks like >you have some possible help too. > >One of the weaknesses of the freebsd community as I have seen, >and some of the guys who left the core have commented on, >is that the community seems to spend MORE time on debating >theory and shooting each other down rathar than actually >going out and prototyping something. > I agree, but I have come to the basic understanding that most of the main posters are not really very nice people. There are a few exceptions, but I wrote to about a dozen of the "big wigs" and to date have recieved no replies after a retrying many times. I was so frustrated that I even wrote to Jordan Hubbard (and I did get a response--though it was more or less a justification of the way things were). My basic conclusion is that the people making the decisions seem to want to deal with the same community of people that they always have and that new people are relegated as "kids" no matter how long they might have been in the Corporate world (where such participation is nearly impossible because of Intellectual Property agreements) doing more advanced things. It seems that the only way to "rock your way" onto the stage is to do something really big. I don't see much of that kind of thing left anymore in the mainstream that these people don't already have ownership of. I realize there *ARE* a lot of newcomers (real newbies) --but if the project is to have some merit and grow--one *MUST* welcome new blood and only in these situations can a project leap forward as I hope this effort will. New people are valuable because they question the authority and cause people to think in ways they never thought before and sometimes this causes a watershed effect that makes possible major leaps forward. They have a cost--certainly, but overall, I think it is very much a worthwhile expense. I have absolutely no problem with the basic concept of anarchy, as long as teamwork is preserved. I don't consider my work the "holy grail" but instead material for discussion and a starting point. The problem I see is that people don't want to discuss on the main list--at least with me. One of the things I have come to really appreciate working abroad is the whole awareness of "Mobbing". It isn't the same meaning as we had in the USA where you see a famous person and suddenly they are surrounded--but quite the opposite. It is when people are systematically stripped of ability to impact their place in their working situation--they get excluded because they didn't play the office politics correctly. Having a heart problem with high blood pressure, I decided that it wasn't worth my time and frustration any longer to remain in anything that causes stress levels to rise. Leaving the main list has satisfied this. One can only change what is within ones reach. Happily this situation seems like the way things *should* be and yes I am eagerly looking forward to see how things progress. It might take the little splinters of small groups to reinstate the values that made such projects as FreeBSD fun in the first place. So perhaps all this being said, "Let's really rock this place". Look for a post of code in the Monday timeframe (no internet at home in the moment--and this account is at work). For backup purposes I can also be reached at 'asporner@yahoo.com' I realize that some people might consider at least part of my name as grounds to eliminate it from their reading list (for those not as alert 'porn'). I even read that a 'sporner' is one who distributes spam porn! If I were motivated I think this might make a very good court case and I might even be able to retire. I had a fight with espn sports over my login name (the same is true with grafiti) because it was considered illegal. I was told to change my name--which sounds an awefull lot like discrimination. If computers are to save us from ourselves --they should be flexible. I told the systems people to look at 'www.switchboard.com' and put the name in-- it's legal. OK I guess starting next week we can get this thing off. I will post separately what is missing and what should probably be added. Sorry for the long post To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message
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