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Date:      Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:21:14 -0700
From:      Ian Lepore <ian@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= <des@des.no>
Cc:        arch@freebsd.org, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com>, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>, Mark R V Murray <mark@grondar.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r274739 - head/sys/mips/conf
Message-ID:  <1416691274.1147.339.camel@revolution.hippie.lan>
In-Reply-To: <86egsvueqk.fsf@nine.des.no>
References:  <201411200552.sAK5qnXP063073@svn.freebsd.org> <20141120084832.GE24601@funkthat.com> <AE8F2D30-7F91-4C90-B79A-D99857D8AED8@grondar.org> <20141121092245.GI99957@funkthat.com> <1416582989.1147.250.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <026FEB8A-CA8C-472F-A8E4-DA3D0AC44B34@grondar.org> <1416596266.1147.290.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <F017033A-B761-4435-A7F8-264D2F4662A0@grondar.org> <1416598889.1147.297.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <86egsvueqk.fsf@nine.des.no>

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On Sat, 2014-11-22 at 22:06 +0100, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote:
> Ian Lepore <ian@FreeBSD.org> writes:
> > The arrogance in the way you talk down to me about my right and abili=
ty
> > to decide these things is mind-boggling.  It's clear you're going to =
do
> > whatever you want, so I guess I'll just shut up.
>=20
> With all due respect, Ian, you've been very difficult to work with, not
> least because any attempt to have an adult discussion with you on this
> subject ends with you saying "you clearly don't want to listen so I'll
> just go away".  It's simply not true, but repeat it often enough and it
> will *become* true.
>=20
> We now have automatic unblocking back (which is *precisely* what you

I noted that in one of my replies, and also said that it appeared from
this thread that that was considered a temporary action which would be
undone.  Nobody contradicted that until now.

> wanted), and I am willing to allow a tunable to turn it off, but I will
> not allow disabling it by default, because I believe it is better than

That's all I ever asked for, from day one, and this is the first
non-negative response to it I can remember.  I never asked for it to be
disabled by default.  I asked for a knob.  I asked for it to possibily
take multiple knobs, or anything else reasonable to make it difficult to
do the wrong thing by accident.

When Adrian started talking about a somewhat different need, I went out
of my way to point out that his request was different than mine, just to
make sure there was no confusion about any sort of enabled-by-default.

So yes, maybe my tone has been a bit strident.  That tends to happen
when you keep saying one thing and the responses you get are as if you
had said something else completely.

-- Ian





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