From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 14 19:31:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5EE23F39C for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48K3R41xsBz44lB for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:31:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: .Bqnl_wVM1lPD7IAzPh6lwBgwHvj2qBDJL2.Ivv84dJQh4bsd_5Xv.q_Uk6Vsgr oxALj5E5YY4UvGlktdGKTpyJA7FF5937ZG7FD5Unyi5qaifabXaw20jyZIbgP.aIQhyFs8m1Vpvp Mg5Qb6d5COABPHEWYuPgssBu5jA7mnumwUH08tnHBFF5tPtqbfPVJ5GPAqxjkHvlNqKyYiiFzPQx ZDbPIFjH6mgOG9UcDCbPGRq.mMIwEeWU6Fqlcc1a8_Eb8_5IUNGiD40TPiak.MPXHLM8iibRnBgJ tXcUWkl3SM0UigSWNjg.ts.NmhAiCvgBn.13Yn1DTPXCUfK1pSguNAlxkq37URWlUp_9HkQ_qREn dUWxQYeMTVJ2yOtfIwR0NMLV4dHID6gqpVITHALC1p5P6jtGePxdzIH91n_TmWUTAVpDwIEnYqBJ vsq6VDSZAVw2npnqAPLj5QLKxYF.fJCcKK1iE3Gm.zJ9UX_1IL02F4Y3jkr_yYZAwy78kuDH2B75 TEB11QDfVknoL4ZLVueWdZRRG9VHGHxCNQ3kPRE4.A1DbEXGBJEmQD6Q86uJKUkb39l_3pyB8O7O Lav3ixn.myOkN_RCemtfA3Ofv2hb6Tby8uyAJFis8bKZFlg3ksm971ElL41vjJxmhKhMPBlpm4VO jHJ6PUSGmI0vVn.PyPELSKnKtWkFw8igHy46tuVocBxoFptvMqPFInRtrpa5X8jqYUlIynX9hHgc ggq9OzqBjS2V5dLqZKTO_k7qiRMS1sejYDYmnO0LX.g3dNhuKIMfY0YNEEaR5LXni09GYsc8AytF pFg4nYGzFpQqeexhMWVSADGRmG.485CAqwBVQi_O8tK2X0C7OXn5DsW9QhkdCgl842uHOeIg7EGh 2qEBytOdFTK9.2USKOWUdx_jBlu2bTm7mFUFz.8hJwSl6WFlikhWZ81PI6w4MjjxMgZws01Fywzd U.OM2ytc3NrfHmGaVX5wWe3Z8u7DyhpFH6OPrwacJ3.JpnNybCotCF8uD_1mAswe3TpTK8rEJeH. e9g0zPFy5pWpWVG4OKRb8qSXccZb1BybxFG3jclhaNeMeAgMokMboDzC74dXf7ODhfaXN77iMvpV EtUzfShOIcIKMNk4CFsZnPbN38wtI_FJYEigCJrq9nd6RAvMonBS1TclJups8pmr.PG9UUbIYD5y PnzF9D2eiVQUV.9clpWzNZgReVl0LTiC98OVNn_HftTcJYld2P4JJMTcACUpLDsEoQtDQVUS0cIW Ft9.ob72xfn6_70vFZlQDyrRy4bEp1rmQAqL4DRLe1joXNM9l1GtHoTwATkPjHq84FukZz48BfTH LS13ngmEFwrbZnkMKqGHIr2zNwiPGdDbPRt4HN6rui6J9NI8o.GucG24WKM6RxxE5uSISZkJcFl6 t9.U8.7e6OVh_EA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:31:40 +0000 Received: by smtp431.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7b9587bd5f1c9eb3c861927c663865e7; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 20:31:34 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200214203134.17f6d4bd@moonstudio> In-Reply-To: <7371554e-82a3-a7aa-b764-ae2627e241d3@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214195430.25365f87@moonstudio> <7371554e-82a3-a7aa-b764-ae2627e241d3@kicp.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48K3R41xsBz44lB X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.45)[-0.449,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[82.177.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.18]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.54)[-0.538,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[82.177.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (4.30), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.16), asn: 34010(1.71), country: GB(-0.08)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:31:45 -0000 On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:01:30 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >On 2020-02-14 12:54, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: >> Hi, >> >> what is better, a doorbell, a car or a watering can? >> It's not the best analogy, since regarding operating systems the >> answer not only depends on the use case, but also on the skills of >> the user. >> >> On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 08:03:06 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> Add to that binary logs >> >> "Tip: While the journal is stored in a binary format, the content of >> stored messages is not modified. This means it is viewable with >> strings, for example for recovery in an environment which does not >> have systemd installed, e.g.: >> >> $ strings >> /mnt/arch/var/log/journal/af4967d77fba44c6b093d0e9862f6ddd/system.journal >> | grep -i message " - >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/Journal > >Thanks for the tip Ralf! As always, your brilliance brings me, lazy >person, right to what I need without learning new everchanging >commands ;-) > >This (using strings here) reminds me a comedy clip about machintosh: >"sometimes you need to trick mac into doing what you actually want him >to do" ;-) IMO a real pitfall of systemd are race conditions during startup. It's not an issue for those of us, who run a machine 24/7. Another PITA on Linux machines are drop directories, overriding sane configs, providing everything in one place. IOW a user might rely on /etc/foo.conf , but an update despotic installs /etc/foo.d/10-bar.conf and /etc/foo.d/20-bra.conf overriding all the values chosen for bar and bra by the admin, stored in /etc/foo.conf . An update never ever would replace /etc/foo.conf . On Arch Linux it would be stored as /etc/foo.conf.pacnew , almost all Linux distros provide such a solution, but the admin is screwed, if an update does add a file to /etc/foo.d/ .