Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 13:19:09 +0100 (CET) From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Cc: eagle@phc.igs.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed GUI toolkit? Message-ID: <XFMail.990307131909.asmodai@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <199903061812.LAA03755@usr06.primenet.com>
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On 06-Mar-99 Terry Lambert wrote: >> > I think that it's about time that a good GUI toolkit for X be >> > developed and released under the two-clause BSD license, both so >> > that developers like myself can release software with a clean >> > conscience, knowing that's *free* and completely unencumbered, not >> > just "Open Source(r)", and to encourage commercial developers to port >> > their software to Unix/X11, as they would not have to purchase a Motif >> > or Qt license, use some LGPLed library, or write their own toolkit from >> > scratch. >> >> Very good points. >> >> > Would anyone here be interested in participating in such a project by >> > leading it, hosting it, writing code for it, helping to design it, or >> > in any other way? >> >> Leading such a project would be better off in hands like someone as >> Terry. > > I already have a Motif clone partially completed. It runs up through > chapter 4 in the Young book, and all O'Reilly examples, but is a hell > of a long way from Mozilla. Motif is not what we are pursuing afaik. Going that alley might be a dead way since most useful software (IMHO) comes from freeware/opensource programmers who persue other toolkits for their programs and given a lenient license such as the BSD license would encourage commercial companies to use it instead of Motif. Conditions towards reaching such a goal would offcourse include writing good documentation, ensure clean and consistent code (hence the BSD camps would be better suited for it IMHO) and make is slick, fast and usable ;) >> I would be happy to donate my already sparse free time on such a project >> wherever possible. > > I was always reluctant to pursue it because the whole "look and feel" > issue for applications. I think that the "look and feel" should be > embedded in the window manager, and that the clients should make > higher level requests, like "create a popup list box" or "Add a > button with the label 'OK'" (this has been my opinion since at least > 1988). > > I actually believe that the future lies with things like "VNC": VNC looks very interesting, but at the moment we were just talking about X UI toolkits a la GDk/GTk+/glib, Qt, XForms, and a bunch of others. That was what Brian was aiming for and for which I was trying to gather ideas and such. What are ye ideas on a `common' X11 GUI toolkit? VNC is something to pursue in the also not too distant future IMHO. --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <http://www.freebsdzine.org>; asmodai(at)wxs.nl The idea does not replace the work... Network/Security Specialist <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>; *BSD: Powered by Knowledge & Know-how <http://www.freebsd.org>; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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