From owner-freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 18 20:59:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65357106564A; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:59:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C608FC08; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faap15 with SMTP id p15so4803405faa.13 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:59:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6YQEBzcRlTI9R7TDThEMeheLir7oTZUurcIoJpbdtlc=; b=tVcTy9kaTIm8O9JXNLRI0luG2WdWdAM4RdWwpVL8A/pQx5h1y+J2FAHJPM50UAGFvz 5XFnQMtXIA+ClVdmG5cKVp2O2AzUp2SUMW/+oMrqvog+7MuddjV2l61gWXuK1RDrzjuQ UInPhgZrh9uB3IcCsShBjC0URg1FJKDr7R6GI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.59.49 with SMTP id w17mr1069132obq.37.1321649948877; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.7.34 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:59:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4EB6693F.2020102@delphij.net> <4EB71580.20507@FreeBSD.org> <4EB72290.8030104@delphij.net> <4EC6C247.6040807@delphij.net> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:59:08 -0800 Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: Eygene Ryabinkin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org, Doug Barton , d@delphij.net Subject: Re: Annoying ERROR: 'wlan0' is not a DHCP-enabled interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion related to /etc/rc.d design and implementation." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:59:12 -0000 2011/11/18 Eygene Ryabinkin : > Garrett, good day. > > Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:42:27PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Xin LI wrote: >> > Is there any counter reasoning about "having an interface marked as >> > non-DHCP is not an error"? =A0I'm still not convinced with the benefit >> > of having it show an error message. >> >> +1. I consider this to be debug noise. > > Well, what about the silent output from 'cc -o test test.c' when > you have no file test.c or the compiler is absent? =A0It is the same > thing (as I see it) and in this case will you expect that the binary > 'test' will be compiled and ready for use or not? =A0I will, but this > can be my personal delusion. This is different because you personally are running cc to do a particular task. This noise is emitted unnecessarily by automated tasks which are in the default system, which is more annoying for standard users, like me. There's a reason why I also do this in every system I run: $ svn diff etc/syslog.conf Index: etc/syslog.conf =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --- etc/syslog.conf (revision 227492) +++ etc/syslog.conf (working copy) @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@ # separators. If you are sharing this file between systems, you # may want to use only tabs as field separators here. # Consult the syslog.conf(5) manpage. -*.err;kern.warning;auth.notice;mail.crit /dev/console +#*.err;kern.warning;auth.notice;mail.crit /dev/console *.notice;authpriv.none;kern.debug;lpr.info;mail.crit;news.err /var/log/messages security.* /var/log/security auth.info;authpriv.info /var/log/auth.log The point is that the defaults should match what people expect in an operating system -- otherwise FreeBSD will be seen as an elitist hipster OS. Thanks, -Garrett