Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:07:27 -0600 From: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), gary@eyelab.psy.msu.edu (Gary Schrock), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On hub.freebsd.org refusing to talk to dialups Message-ID: <199909241907.NAA28321@mt.sri.com> In-Reply-To: <199909241847.LAA03621@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <199909241745.LAA27853@mt.sri.com> <199909241847.LAA03621@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
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> > I agree. > > > > > Your work also has a serious security concern if it allows this you to > > > directly attatch to it's port 25. > > > > No it doesn't, but you do bring up another good point why not to use the > > ISP's mail server. Security. I don't want email to bounce on your box > > and potentially give the ISP's postmaster information they shouldn't be > > having. (Including email about us switching ISP's because we hate their > > email policy. :) > > If your mail is sensitive use a proper transport, encrypt it. All mail is senstive, it just that sometimes that the cost of encrypting is more expensive than the cost of setting everyone up so they can decrypt it. In short, there is no 'portable' way of encrypting/decrypting mail. > > Yes, our ISP *could* sniff packets are read our email if they wanted, > > but it would be a breach of contract for them to do so. > > No, it would not. *YES*, it would. Don't tell me what my ISP can/can not do, because you have no idea. > > Basically, I think not allowing ISP's to allow the Dialup lines to > > forward email as a good thing, but for them to limit was businesses do > > with their IP traffic is simply too big brother'ish, no matter what > > their contract states. > > If _we_ don't start to do something about it, big brother _is_ going > to do something about it. Now you're going off the deep-end. Big-brother has shown that they simply don't *care* what happens, to the point that SPAM is still legal to do in almost all cases, and people must opt-out of it. > They also have great benifits by agreeing to our standard AUP, they > have RBL filtering done, etc, etc, etc. This is the _service_ part > of ISP that every one else leaves out. As I stated before, any decent ISP will take the time to help a client setup services they desire, not do it for them. Doing it for a customer WHO WANTS TO DO IT THEMSELVES is the unix way. We're doing it, because you're too stupid/clueless to do it yourself, and we're not going to give out the 'secret' information. If the customer doesn't want to host it themselves, then by all means have the ability to do it for them, and you can charge them for it even. :) But, just because you think you are an ISP doesn't make you any more expert than people running their own businesses off it. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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