Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:35:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Jasper O'Malley" <jooji@webnology.com> To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group <Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca> Cc: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, onemo@jps.net Subject: Re: ports/9864: make rblcheck use relay.orbs.org instead of dorkslayers.com Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.02.9902031442070.17355-100000@mercury.webnology.com> In-Reply-To: <199902032036.MAA11706@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca>
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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Cy Schubert wrote:
> The dialup users list is a list of dialup IP addresses that have
> been known to be used by spammers.
No, it's not. It's a growing list of every dialup pool on the Internet.
The manifesto on their web page mentions nothing about a spammer's use of
a netblock as criteria for adding the block. There's no remedy for DUL
victims as there is for RBL offenders. If you're dialup, you're forced to
relay through an "authorized" mail server. Most people do this anywa--*I*
do this anyway--being forced to do so irks the shit out of me.
> As a footnote to this, I have received threats of civil action from
> ISP's and spammers who have used the sites I manage as relays and
> who have subsequently discovered that their attempts to rely now
> fail. So I am as emotionally motivated disallow spammers relay,
> just as many are emotionally charged to believe otherwise.
We're not talking about relaying. We're talking about end to end
connectivity. DUL forces a lot of people to relay when they otherwise
would not. It alsop takes things to the next level: it *forces* you to
cooperate with MAPS. With the RBL, if you kept your nose clean, turned off
relaying, and nailed your customers when they spammed, you were fine.
Here, the DUL maintainers will blacklist any netblock with a dialup in it,
leaving it up to you to contact them with the addresses of non-dialups so
they can remove them from the list.
Let me make something crystal clear: I fucking *despise* spam. I actively
hunt down spammers and get their accounts cancelled. But DUL doesn't
target spammers or careless admins and their ISPs. It just paints
all dialup users with the same brush.
As an aside, I've just now received an e-mail from Paul Vixie, in response
to an earlier e-mail I sent to the MAPS team protesting the idea behind
the DUL. Unfortunately, the gist of what he's sent me is that although he
regrets it, he believes it's necessary to assume all dialup users are
spammers.
Of course, with Paul's support behind this, I'm pretty much just pissing
into the wind, but that's never stopped me before :)
Cheers,
Mick
The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webnology.com
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