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Date:      Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:50:45 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Annelise Anderson <>
To:        Ken Marsh <>
Cc:        Jason Parsons <>,
Subject:   Re: me again.  mail question
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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Ken Marsh wrote:

> > > I have managed to get my local copy of pine to send outgoing messages to a
> > > queue, which then go to the ISP when I hook up, but even that works only
> > > sporadically, and like POP, sendmail is also poorly documented (Unless you
> > > buy a book, which is certain to be over 2 inches thick.)
> >
> > Now why are the messages going to the ISP?  The only issue here is whether
> > you use sendmail on your own machine (when connected by ppp or slip) as the
> > mail transport agent or whether you use the ISP.  If you use sendmail it
> > probably bypasses the ISP altogether except as a hop.  If you use sendmail
> > on your own machine it must be running.
> The SMTP mailhost belongs to the ISP. It's not the same machine as the
> ISP's dialup facility or its internet gateway, but I consider it the ISP
> anyway. Sorry for the confusion.
> I've tried using sendmail on my own machine with about 60% success. Some
> messages just never make it to the mailhosts, and they back up the
> mailqueue. Using Pine locally to transport mail to the mailhost is also
> only partially successful. Now I'm telneting an ISP server and using pine
> remotely. This is the only guarantee I can actually send this message.
> Ken

It just seems that something is not set up properly.  If pine is 
queuing your mail, you must have the mail server in the pine configuration
file set to localhost.  This means you're using sendmail on your own
machine as the mail transport agent, not the smtp at the isp.  When
you use sendmail -q to send the queued mail, it will (I think) send it
to the default router that's set up when you log in to the isp.  That's
why it's important to know what ip address the isp is using for itself,
which should be the default route.  This may be dynamically assigned.


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