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Date:      Fri, 08 Sep 2000 21:42:53 +0200
From:      Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
To:        Mike Smith <msmith@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>, Kenneth Wayne Culver <culverk@wam.umd.edu>, John Baldwin <jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com>, Steve Ames <steve@virtual-voodoo.com>, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: microuptime() went backwards 
Message-ID:  <82049.968442173@critter>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 07 Sep 2000 22:43:11 PDT." <200009080543.WAA01815@mass.osd.bsdi.com> 

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In message <200009080543.WAA01815@mass.osd.bsdi.com>, Mike Smith writes:
>> > Sep  7 14:35:55 laptop /kernel: microuptime() went backwards (10412.355980 -> 10412, -694583121)y
>> >
>> > this is bad.. right ? :-)
>> 
>> Well, at any rate it looks very funny.  If this is a laptop, try
>> building a kernel without apm and see if that helps.
>
>It only helps "hide" the problem.  There's either *extremely* bogus data 
>coming in, or an arithmetic or sequencing error that's allowing a corrupt 
>timecounter to be seen.
>
>It might help to see the negative number as hex...

I have collected all the emails I've received and I have identified
at least two different causes:

There is a bogus i8254 implementation on certain Athlon Mobos, this
is a non-brainer since they should not use the i8254 but the TSC.

There are negative numbers coming in from both the i8254 and in a
few cases from the TSC.  NTIMECOUNTER may be too low for certain
systems, I'm still waiting for some feedback on that.

Either way, I have a patch which I need to burn in in my lab, but
right now I have a hard time getting my SMP box to even print out
"Copyright..." when it boots :-(

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Poul-Henning Kamp       | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
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