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Date:      Fri, 21 Jun 2019 08:30:10 -0700
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>
Cc:        "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>, FreeBSD Current <current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: sys/modules/sdio broken in .svn_revision 348842 'opt_cam.h' not found
Message-ID:  <CANCZdfrwN29ASzurKFcwhPiLwiUBda1Rk4x=8q_Rawgnrh=5DA@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <205835F0-6DE0-4B7F-8AC7-D1F414370BBF@samsco.org>
References:  <201906180147.x5I1ksVi028507@fire.js.berklix.net> <205835F0-6DE0-4B7F-8AC7-D1F414370BBF@samsco.org>

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On Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 7:44 AM Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> wrote:

>
>
> > On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Julian H. Stacey <jhs@berklix.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Stop.
> >>> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/usr.bin/mkesdb_static
> >>>
> >>> A double waste of CPU & human time & power in a hot office.
> >>> Commit bits used to be suspended for un-buildable code. I'll boot
> >>> stable.
> >>
> >> Since you seem to be so focused on mean-spirited criticism of others,
> >> I'm sure you'll understand when I ask...
> >>
> >> Have you *seriosly* been using and building freebsd this long and you
> >> don't know that an opt_*.h file is generated as part of the build and
> >> exists only in the object directory, so that searching for it under
> >> /usr/src or /usr/include would be... let's see, how did you put it?...
> >> Oh yeah: A double waste of CPU & human time.
> >
> > Personal noise is irrelevant.
> >
> > Facts:
> > Unchecked commits broken make buildworld twice,
> > Time was wasted by bad commits.
> > My time ran out.
> > Current does not benefit from commits that break buildworld.
> > I (like a friend before) must switch to stable to avoid breakage.
> >
> > Time was, ~25 years back, when FreeBSD commiters who screwed
> > the build were awarded a conical hat & took a one week holiday. A
> > mild rebuke for wasting people's time, & a short refreshing
> > break to go smell fresh air. No not coffee, but fresh air.
>
> I=E2=80=99ve been following FreeBSD since 1992, before it was even called
> FreeBSD, and I was reflecting on the =E2=80=9Cold days=E2=80=9D recently.=
  You know
> what?  The old days sucked; I hold no romance for them.  There was
> rampant passive-aggressive hostility, toxicity and shaming was
> accepted and encouraged, and the community was pretty much an
> insular and exclusionary clique. Mistakes were to be feared, not
> learned from.  Any mistake was equated with a personal moral failing.
> Yeah, good technical work was done, but at the expense of quickly
> alienating and driving away many good people who didn=E2=80=99t want to
> put up with all of that bullshit.
>
> There=E2=80=99s no denying that it=E2=80=99s frustrating when a bug is in=
troduced,
> especially when it causes lost time and productivity.  Passively
> accusing people of being lazy or incompetent (see your =E2=80=9CUnchecked
> commits=E2=80=9D comment) doesn=E2=80=99t help fix that though.  If anyth=
ing, it burns
> out and drives away the people who are in the best position to fix the
> problems. It doesn=E2=80=99t make the community or the code better in the
> long term, even if you think that it=E2=80=99s motivating people in the s=
hort
> term.
>
> Please take your conical hat somewhere else and do something
> productive and positive with it, I don=E2=80=99t want the toxicity in my
> FreeBSD community anymore.
>

Amen.

Warner

Thanks,
> Scott
>
>
>
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