From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 19:12:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670481065672 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B07E8FC19 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcmm1 with SMTP id m1so5514188vcm.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:11:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=U8A7+/XLSJfZTJc8sgkH6SpBQ9LkEkzDPgk8HCX5OJ4=; b=hVcT0u6XlKTlvAw2mJCKKYi/l1yTFASwBzPV2zSM1LUqKNQo9eFM+OZazZZa49HdiW 6oxbkzbulGpDAo7pQX3g53BAD8ssAM0dURu+Rugk70Me0g2cauv/9BeCiFMQnAogK1Y6 B5r984eCP2Rqbk+g/tLMutH9VN7uS1lfCtzA42YYTx20kiG5eVVtp8iZk9w1w2RW+4xG Zxjic1Z8jyqzyNX0BgFG10hBca2YNf1lYoEMgaTNr3fkSjDunpHKSd31TRAV6bOMg72k b9vUXMNS0fuX4d+CnnKM4pSFhyOkqlVDetngcqxQDcLvxT3lHcydyWPrL7ZYbBbHi9bH 6cwA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.95.3 with SMTP id dg3mr5046449vdb.127.1331147519268; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.175.133 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:11:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:11:59 -0600 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: David Jackson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 19:12:00 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:56 PM, David Jackson wrot= e: > >> >> This is irrelevant. =A0FreeBSD has these options because most of its >> users are system administrators, developers or other types of geeks. >> Serving these needs is a major part of what FreeBSD does. =A0That's why >> we have the long standing motto: "FreeBSD - The power to serve". >> People who don't want these things, and insist on fool-proof upgrades >> will probably be happier running Windows, Mac OS X or some >> distribution of Linux. =A0I've been around email lists long enough to >> know that every operating system (MS Windows, Linux, etc) occasionally >> has its update nightmares. >> >> My advice to you is: >> 1. Define your needs. >> 2. Choose the best software to meet your needs. >> 3. Choose the best operating system to run the software. >> 4. Choose the best hardware to run the operating system. >> >> If you've performed these steps out of order, you're unlikely to be happ= y. >> >> Andrew > > > You have just now declared complete indifference to and alienated about 9= 9% > of the potential user base and their needs, those who could care less abo= ut > compiling source and messing with compiler options. > I disagree. I have provided a process for you (or others) to make better decisions regarding the selection of software, operating systems and hardware. How could the developers of any operating system please everyone without watering down the excellent qualities of their creation? It is good that we have so many operating systems from which to choose. This allows operating systems to specialize in their strengths and for users to prioritize their needs. To the extent that you have discussed tools that are broken, I thank you; and I hope you have reported the bugs. I'm sure the tools will be fixed. Every open source operating system is created by developers who decide the direction the operating system will take. The operating system is backed by its own community. When you throw claims about most users not wanting to compile applications from source code, it is clear that you have not taken time to learn about the operating system, its history or the culture of the community. I encourage you to do so. Andrew