From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 5 09:37:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6217A16A417; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:37:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier.freebsduser@free.fr) Received: from postfix1-g20.free.fr (postfix1-g20.free.fr [212.27.60.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B5513C45A; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier.freebsduser@free.fr) Received: from smtp6-g19.free.fr (smtp6-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.36]) by postfix1-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35031F5BA91; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:12:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp6-g19.free.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190A65FE6C; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:12:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from lon92-4-82-226-188-149.fbx.proxad.net (lon92-4-82-226-188-149.fbx.proxad.net [82.226.188.149]) by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2B95FE51; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:12:48 +0100 (CET) From: Olivier Certner To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:11:29 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200712030308.32301.david@vizion2000.net> <475449B9.1010002@gmail.com> <05565EA0-357D-42AC-BEA1-A9F7A9796B40@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <05565EA0-357D-42AC-BEA1-A9F7A9796B40@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712051011.30090.olivier.freebsduser@free.fr> Cc: David Southwell , "Aryeh M. Friedman" , Ade Lovett Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:37:24 -0000 Le lundi 03 d=E9cembre 2007 19:37, Ade Lovett a =E9crit=A0: > I'll thank you for not putting words into my mouth. Actually, we will thank you for not putting any more words in your own mou= th. > You seem unable to grasp even basic statistical fundamentals of what a > survey entails, and have repeatedly worked on the basis that somehow > anyone who even points out the simplest of flaws is part of the "them" > camp. You seem to be the average geek fundamentally unable to head up and look a= t=20 the real world around you. Statistics are simply not the point. Aryeh is=20 trying to gather new ideas, possibly different from his own. If they are=20 representative, it's a plus. But who cares if he doesn't manage to gather=20 enough information? He is not doing a poll on behalf of any company that=20 would like "perfectly detailed" results, AFAIK. > This is not "us vs them". You've decided to take on, as countless > others before you have done, an attempt at changing status quo without > providing even the basics, let alone prototypes, as to how it *might* > be done. They are not talking about "how" but "what" might be done, something you e= ven=20 didn't mention in your own mails. > Quite frankly, this appears to be nothing more than random thoughts, > with not even an iota of concrete information to back it up. > > Naturally, I can't speak for the FreeBSD community at large, but from > this keyboards perspective, you're doing nothing other than wasting > time. > > Prove me wrong. Consider it a challenge. Who are you to deserve that someone would have to cope with stupid challen= ges=20 in order to obtain answers from you? You don't want to give your opinion, d= o=20 you? That's fine. It simply won't be taken into account. But, please, leave= =20 away from discouraging others or trying to make them waste their time. And just a final word about your older statements: > Just exactly what have you done for FreeBSD to the point where you > believe you are able to state such a sentence? I certainly wouldn't > dream of writing something like this -- you can check ports/ commit > logs for my background. Do you really think your "background" will protect you from criticism? Do = you=20 really think quantity is related to quality? At least, you've left this thread, and that's better for everybody. Please= =20 consider growing up before posting such null and void answers. Olivier Certner