From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 4 20:39: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBF937B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-89.apple.com [17.250.248.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6D143F43; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:38:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lomion@mac.com) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h154cvrJ022227; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com ([68.39.203.40]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H9TJKW00.PIK; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:38:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:38:54 -0500 Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=fixed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , Rahul Siddharthan , "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG To: Brett Glass From: Larry Sica In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030204213017.027f7d40@localhost> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Rfc2646-Fix: 1 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 11:32 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > At 08:41 PM 2/4/2003, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > >> I don't agree with your statements about lack of commercialisation is >> the fault of a lack of advocacy. > > It is. Look at the activities of Bruce Perens, ESR, etc.; > they were vital to the corporate adoption of Linux. > >> Linux DID get a head start - IMHO that is the leading cause. > > As the dot-com bust showed, the "first-mover advantage" is > overrated. FreeBSD is STILL being hobbled by poor advocacy. > One must differentiate between what good and poor advocacy is. There is also the idea that there is no such thing as bad press. A marketing firm i worked for would generate press many manyt ways, some good, some bad. The main thing i got though was it is all about relationships with outlets that can market ones product. That is where any advocacy would need to be focused. Do things to get noticed, good things, bad things. Not bad enough to turn everyone off, just enough to get your name out. That is sleazy tho imho, and i didn't like the idea. But the point was, to be noticed you have to want to be. Linux did, FreeBSD didn't really, not like Linux did at least. I'd say it isnt really advocates freebsd but good, solid, positive marketing. And there is a difference. One is perceived as evangelical, one is not. - --Larry > --Brett Glass > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 (Build 349) Beta iQA/AwUBPkCVY+eV8VtPCL3dEQIbIwCfb5vs/6zg1apY/VDuImjAHhnYgNoAn1T3 K6RrfMu8Vf7SUENBiouRx7gi =fiCh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message