From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 18 01:35:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040F0A1055E for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 01:35:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mx1.eichornenterprises.com (mx1.eichornenterprises.com [104.236.13.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.eichornenterprises.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98DE91CEF for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 01:35:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mail.eichornenterprises.com (cpe-75-179-47-202.neo.res.rr.com [75.179.47.202]) by mx1.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 27586543; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id c5e4b42c; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1445131708.29379.45.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Subject: Re: How do I turn my FreeBSD desktop into a set-top box? From: "Michael B. Eichorn" To: Dave , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:28:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <11660930.NCbaWZNhqK@amd.asgard.uk> References: <11660930.NCbaWZNhqK@amd.asgard.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-on4KoPBEYJnRXqVwSWv/" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 01:35:15 -0000 --=-on4KoPBEYJnRXqVwSWv/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2015-10-17 at 22:47 +0100, Dave wrote: > On Saturday 17 October 2015 17:04:42 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > Any ideas? (What hardware and stuff out the ports collection).... > > please > > keep hardware limited to anything available in a computer > > superstore like > > MicroCenter (not special order or web only) > >=20 > > I switched ISP's for the first time in 5 years and now have access > > to cable > > TV for the first time in 15 years (I have not owned a TV for 10 > > years). > > So I am very new to the hardware side of the the equation but I > > have worked > > in streaming media so am at home on the software side. > >=20 > > So far I have hooked the HDMI and speakers up to my monitor (I need > > to move > > the back and forth between the sound card and the monitor > > currently). > >=20 > > Here is the dmesg for the machine I want to set stuff up on: > >=20 > Have a look at MythTV and Kodi. >=20 > Both will install on a FreeBSD system, but both also are available as > "images", > ie Linux with everything already set up to "Just Work(tm)" >=20 > Personally, I have Kodi running on twp Rasperry Pis (using > OSMC/Kodi), a couple of FreeBSD boxes and a Windows box all sharing a > central MySQO database. MythTV is a bit more involved with more > options, eg seperate backend and multiple seperate frontends and IIRC > can be a bit of a bugger to set up on FreeBSD (might have changed in > recent years.) MythTV seems to have better support for off-air > recording/transcoding/advert cutting but I've not used any of that. >=20 > I don't use mine for live/off-air TV/recording but from what I've > seen you need to be very, very careful with choice of tuners if using > FreeBSD while Linux seems to be a bit more accommodating. Kodi seems > to have much better support for streaming via various add-ons, > especially those from 3rd-party repositories (or so I'm told. Some > may not be entirely legal in some jurisdictions) >=20 > In particular, my non-technical wife can easily handle Kodi using her=20 > tablet or smartphone as the remote with the Kodi Remote App. I'll second those software choices. MythTV was a bear to setup but it worked well for recording TV (I transitioned to online streaming a few years ago). Kodi looks pretty, but I have no experiance with it. If you are doing video capture from the cable tv service be prepared to do research. Also know what kind of signal you are trying to record as there are mutiple standards some cards may only support one or two. Getting a capture device that works is a level of hard between finding a router at the store that you can load a custom firmware on and finding a wireless card that works on FreeBSD. 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From: Ben Woods To: Dave Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 04:23:13 -0000 On 18 October 2015 at 05:47, Dave wrote: > On Saturday 17 October 2015 17:04:42 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > Any ideas? (What hardware and stuff out the ports collection).... please > > keep hardware limited to anything available in a computer superstore like > > MicroCenter (not special order or web only) > > > > Have a look at MythTV and Kodi. > > ... > > In particular, my non-technical wife can easily handle Kodi using her > tablet or smartphone as the remote with the Kodi Remote App. I personally use a plexmediaserver backend media storage / database on the home network and install plexhometheater on the Home Theater PC. This would stream the content over the home network, which works well over wifi, but the plexmediaserver and plexhometheater could easily both be installed on the 1 machine (the Home Theater PC). I am the port maintainer for plexhometheater, but am not in any way affiliated with the project. I like the way the plexmediaserver handles the media metadata, and track what you have watched, and for TV series shows you the next episode you haven't yet watched ("on deck"). You could also use a emby-server backend server, with any UPnP playback software. Kodi is good. Regards, Ben From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 18 04:30:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CFDA0FCC3 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 04:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aaron@aaronkaufman.com) Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFA3A3DC for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 04:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aaron@aaronkaufman.com) Received: by pabrc13 with SMTP id rc13so157419146pab.0 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:30:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Mdiy5vOaMU/hxH5Hxr3pLV72e5wn5YcWrDncbGsBtJ0=; b=OlzB95vCtfa7GdueGagD/lPUm7gdV1JkQKjxUprDWawCunryCcLdiEBZ4uXhyjiRTQ u03uBma4EBRDkbhFw2X/dBLIHydcNdPz2zbCYFRCwJwNbp/m0eghkESZHakjtAzl9lHq rBbrKt78DNwImgrtzw/XMUS1VJ1ALRkWT6c4zKr1Gb37egS6+BNb8Q7rYPB21dyNR0Nv i2DJuLwqu34xRlaNpxhHHT+6/3jcOARPCZO8ATgzFx7JqxQ9+u7dcEBmlwmepL8vHW4G qEi0xOnkRNHIxxyN+c5BRlaaVUslPUi2/v3V5nRpaYyKqVVM6B3+GrF5fvwRNNB9Sj0A iTYA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm5TqBJeouHDEGwGGOxgOnCNvahyi86iAeB5fublOGo1E275SBXta+vq8jATRglDvo15CIU X-Received: by 10.66.235.4 with SMTP id ui4mr25711400pac.129.1445142601189; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x1.sysadm.co ([2605:e000:1525:c0a5:f2de:f1ff:fea6:3f63]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pj10sm5764367pbc.59.2015.10.17.21.30.00 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: X won't start To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20151015131224.212aa292@asterius.asterius.net> From: Aaron Kaufman X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56232047.9090700@aaronkaufman.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:29:59 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151015131224.212aa292@asterius.asterius.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 04:30:07 -0000 German, Did you try and configure X with Xorg -configure ? That tells X to create a config for you in /etc/X11 > server error, no screens found. Unable to connect to X server. > Connection refused. xauth: ( argv) 1: bad display name "dawkins:0" in > remove command. This means X can't find your hostname "dawkins" You can add that to /etc/hosts On 10/15/2015 10:12, German wrote: > Hi List,=20 > > > I am brand new to FreeBSD ( just installed it a few hours ago). So I > installed base system, then I made pkg install xorg, pkg install > lxde-meta and trying to run X. When I issue "startx" I got the > following: > > server error, no screens found. Unable to connect to X server. > Connection refused. xauth: ( argv) 1: bad display name "dawkins:0" in > remove command. > > Any ideas? Thanks > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 18 10:01:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF50A1680C for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:01:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DA8ACBA for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:01:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [93.104.6.185] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Znkm4-0006zO-Rc; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:01:09 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (c720-r276659 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t9IA16uf003896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:01:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id t9IA1624003895; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:01:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:01:06 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GitBook on FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20151018100106.GA3857@c720-r276659> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , "Brandon J. Wandersee" , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20151016064251.GA1975@c720-r276659> <86mvvjymhd.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151016183244.GA21879@c720-r276659> <20151017012617.3bc51864.freebsd@edvax.de> <20151017103510.GB2597@c720-r276659> <867fmlnr54.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <867fmlnr54.fsf@WorkBox.Home> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r269739 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 93.104.6.185 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:01:14 -0000 El día Saturday, October 17, 2015 a las 04:04:23PM -0500, Brandon J. Wandersee escribió: > This isn't a good idea. > > https://docs.npmjs.com/getting-started/installing-npm-packages-locally > > Note that I don't use Node.js myself, so if those instructions cause > problems I'm afraid I can't help. I just figured that just as Python > eggs, Ruby gems, and Haskell Cabal packages can be installed locally as > a regular user, so can Node packages. It seems that's the case. Thanks! The video is not very instructive, esp. if one has never used Node. But, it gave me the idea that somehow a local installation is supported. I deduced to let away the flag '-g' (globally) and came up at the end with the following procedure to build a GitBooks locally: Install the npm - node package manager, from the FreeBSD' ports www/npm: # cd /usr/local/www/npm # make install clean Here is how to use 'npm' to install the GitBook gitbook-cli to create local web trees of a GitBook $ cd UbuntuPhone we will instaall gitbook-cli not globally, but in a local folder 'npm': $ mkdir npm $ cd npm $ npm install gitbook-cli gitbook-cli@1.0.0 node_modules/gitbook-cli ├── bash-color@0.0.3 ├── semver@5.0.1 ├── q@1.4.1 ├── commander@2.8.1 (graceful-readlink@1.0.1) ├── tmp@0.0.27 (os-tmpdir@1.0.1) ├── user-home@2.0.0 (os-homedir@1.0.1) ├── optimist@0.6.1 (wordwrap@0.0.3, minimist@0.0.10) ├── npmi@1.0.1 (semver@4.3.6) ├── lodash@3.10.1 ├── fs-extra@0.24.0 (path-is-absolute@1.0.0, jsonfile@2.2.3, graceful-fs@4.1.2, rimraf@2.4.3) └── npm@2.14.8 Now let's go to our GitBook and build a local web tree from it: $ cd ../bq-aquaris-e-4-5-ubuntu-phone # where my GitBook files are $ ../npm/node_modules/.bin/gitbook build Installing GitBook 2.4.x ... info: loading book configuration....OK info: load plugin gitbook-plugin-highlight ....OK info: >> 1 plugins loaded info: start generation with website generator info: clean website generator info: OK info: generation is finished Done, without error $ find _book/ _book/ _book/chapter23.html ... _book/index.html _book/chapter24.html $ firefox _book/index.html fine :-) -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, 🌐 http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 18 14:30:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78134A1839A for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) Received: from nm34-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm34-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDD6DBF6 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:30:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s2048; t=1445178429; bh=mWlWzIGo4DG9bropVM+u3cBuHt6xV5ZtHHjm6u9FlvE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=bVMoam/o3ocG5eTYGI/EOzU2WYEiGi5dyGPNFQZuxtGygJU9O4ZfMDd2jy1fWMjkxHo9YSy7vugN1LGzgubmGC4yrz+xjZeZQAnV/7IGNX6EhqeTEt7uRxius6E1aY7jZAhTGV+A/8GMVXbq2B5QPKqJa1qlj2pybdRjRevjvdjEXbUHh7lriGuT5NLN76+Ncfy7snuo3yPiswLf4PB1/5LkMszXKXIuAuk0hxApDlO8HPbsQ6JZvrUA30QDEi7L1PjW7wuFF+17Nap9w0mGT8xOvK8J8lYD3tfnKi0KCB3nB2IdxrpAKvogdGrL0ik32v7skxDb3nGOeKHbf4GWLQ== Received: from [212.82.98.50] by nm34.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2015 14:27:09 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.73] by tm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2015 14:27:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2015 14:27:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 370337.83429.bm@smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: XO3E0zkVM1m3zNpWS1UbNoeKLJHRC6lH2WJ6Xjxl1fd4Y6y CnNlhs28p5KsM89QfITbJOKMfulgVZwpR5c_s6.vatvy4_FJ8lGD4VBsHhcz B2jSIIP6PWHcoCrTANQPCVm3_oK8fIoC48vadDgH7U1Vs4zyQQ7EKBcvkvEE XmI7H1oqigCy1o8Rh64RMEBi0X.QhcdE87L4Z.JzAT9LbLNTYdXT9dRSHm1A U1ZtU70QA8UrhuZC7jkaXZxvKHCoB0FL.COPn5ary83L0aozIu7TNQXb2aPe DAwIlz7cmzRNY.iQwwZjZnpm01V1f3VcenCVqX3emXKMrz9l4DcCfdccrcVx 3zjdbHbjPWi_06mFH9.SuZ.d8ALfaEW9vwfbJNesCRSWhWxZnYZkB.uPU3O2 Ya8H6j0jTx0CYDSEiduPon9j1znWBKUpVaUf_LAlvNHyxoKVNyLJREJkqSFr TlZNe9xAg.OD68QVKh2TBcXRqqJmdpY_R1Lnmp010XuszR1nFl_9qjG70nOs cTsD1ML2q_5xffl8Qp_5UJs0dDzcXSf.6UYwAtIFiAJbjdMgK73ayzGw- X-Yahoo-SMTP: mX392iiswBAeJNdO_s.EW62LZDJR Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:27:35 +0200 From: Eduardo Morras To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: GitBook on FreeBSD? Message-Id: <20151018162735.75bc27c9aa66e4aec71671dd@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: <20151018100106.GA3857@c720-r276659> References: <20151016064251.GA1975@c720-r276659> <86mvvjymhd.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151016183244.GA21879@c720-r276659> <20151017012617.3bc51864.freebsd@edvax.de> <20151017103510.GB2597@c720-r276659> <867fmlnr54.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151018100106.GA3857@c720-r276659> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.3 (GTK+ 2.24.28; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:30:26 -0000 On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:01:06 +0200 Matthias Apitz wrote: > Here is how to use 'npm' to install the GitBook gitbook-cli to create > local web trees of a GitBook > > $ cd UbuntuPhone > > we will instaall gitbook-cli not globally, but in a local folder > 'npm': > > $ mkdir npm Thanks for this guide, a final question, is UbuntuPhone the user whom you install it or a normal directory in your home user structure? --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 18 15:03:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27E9A18E75 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:03:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 993A2C44 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:03:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [93.104.6.185] (helo=192.168.2.101) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnpUU-00087w-JW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 17:03:18 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Subject: Re: GitBook on =?iso-8859-1?Q?FreeBSD=3F?= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 17:03:18 +0200 User-Agent: Dekko/0.5.8; Qt/5.4.1; ubuntumirclient; Linux; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20151018162735.75bc27c9aa66e4aec71671dd@yahoo.es> References: <20151016064251.GA1975@c720-r276659> <86mvvjymhd.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151016183244.GA21879@c720-r276659> <20151017012617.3bc51864.freebsd@edvax.de> <20151017103510.GB2597@c720-r276659> <867fmlnr54.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151018100106.GA3857@c720-r276659> <20151018162735.75bc27c9aa66e4aec71671dd@yahoo.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 93.104.6.185 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:03:27 -0000 On Sunday, 18 October 2015 16:27:35 CEST, Eduardo Morras wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:01:06 +0200 > Matthias Apitz wrote: >=20 >=20 >> Here is how to use 'npm' to install the GitBook gitbook-cli to create >> local web trees of a GitBook >>=20 >> $ cd UbuntuPhone >>=20 >> we will instaall gitbook-cli not globally, but in a local folder >> 'npm': >>=20 >> $ mkdir npm >=20 > Thanks for this guide, a final question, is UbuntuPhone the=20 > user whom you install it or a normal directory in your home user=20 > structure? >=20 The dir UbuntuPhone is ~/UbuntuPhone, i.e. any dir below users HOME matthias --=20 Sent from my Ubuntu phone http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 18 23:46:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1642A18B33 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 23:46:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) Received: from p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.107]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D136BA0 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 23:46:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) Received: from [192.168.0.128] ([172.242.226.83]) by p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id WnkJ1r0041obfVo01nkNni; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:44:26 -0700 Subject: 2 devices "ue0" 1 works 1 dont for natd To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: From: laszlo vagner Message-ID: <56242ED1.5040509@vagner.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 19:44:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 23:46:04 -0000 i have natd successfully being a router for my home net using 10.2-R and found an interesting issue. at one time i was struggling with being only able to ping thru the system but could not get any other protocols to work such as http, ftp, pop, etc. i was using the onboard nfe0 device and a d-link DUB-E100 USB lan adapter. i installed a mini pcie card instead of the D-Link DUB-E100 adapter and everything worked fine. tonight i tried to run the D-link DUB-E100 again only to face the same issue as before no http,ftp,pop etch but pings worked. this device is registered as ue0. i ordered a new USB device and it came, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VSTDFG?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00 i unplugged the dlink adapter plugged in the "plugable 10/100/100" device and everything works as far as natd goes, i didnt even have to edit rc.conf or rc.firewall cause the devices are both listed as "ue0". the hardware is an Acer Aspire Revo 3700 with 10.2-r AMD64 on it and an Atom 1600Mhz cpu 2gb ram. the dlink DUB-E100 has hardware version D1 and is listed in the supported hardware list. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 00:14:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107E6A183A9 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:14:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) Received: from p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC5B08A2 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) Received: from [192.168.0.128] ([172.242.226.83]) by p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id WoEL1r00B1obfVo01oERH5; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 17:14:28 -0700 Subject: Re: 2 devices "ue0" 1 works 1 dont for natd To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <56242ED1.5040509@vagner.com> From: laszlo vagner Message-ID: <562435DC.50906@vagner.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 20:14:20 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56242ED1.5040509@vagner.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:14:35 -0000 after reading some stuff on the issue i believe it has to do with the hardware version but cannot confirm it. On 10/18/2015 7:44 PM, laszlo vagner wrote: > i have natd successfully being a router for my home net using 10.2-R > and found an interesting > issue. > > at one time i was struggling with being only able to ping thru the > system but could not get any other protocols to work such as http, > ftp, pop, etc. i was using the onboard nfe0 device and a d-link > DUB-E100 USB lan adapter. > > i installed a mini pcie card instead of the D-Link DUB-E100 adapter > and everything worked fine. > > tonight i tried to run the D-link DUB-E100 again only to face the same > issue as before no http,ftp,pop etch but pings worked. this device is > registered as ue0. > > i ordered a new USB device and it came, > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VSTDFG?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00 > > > i unplugged the dlink adapter plugged in the "plugable 10/100/100" > device and everything works as far as > natd goes, i didnt even have to edit rc.conf or rc.firewall cause the > devices are both listed as "ue0". > > > > the hardware is an Acer Aspire Revo 3700 with 10.2-r AMD64 on it and > an Atom 1600Mhz cpu 2gb ram. > > the dlink DUB-E100 has hardware version D1 and is listed in the > supported hardware list. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 09:25:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94446A18970 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) Received: from mail2.kulturflatrate.net (mail2.kulturflatrate.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:121:52ad::3:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C59962B for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) Received: from [10.10.10.146] (mail.kulturflatrate.net [IPv6:2a01:488:66:1000:2ea3:77dd:0:1]) (Authenticated sender: niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) by mail2.kulturflatrate.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AB26DE1EA for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:25:44 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kulturflatrate.net; s=default; t=1445246745; bh=xqdHoXEPaQeY6k3+Rt40E3smtnxm0pjbLQqB1TB1shU=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=X/Jpc7wWSdPcq2fKoRszb+szfHhGImAk05tQRoznHQ2NxjJdcvq+tH9VwYCbCif5L E/2x8gKv9/ofDlSUgCJN/FHyvYFxM+P3lmV+y5AY541EIHWBveDiOxNgGFr4dw2von MzO19bukpTYo2MIE4k/gjgtUHY6P82CWH23EyVzc= To: FreeBSD Questions From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff Subject: Wrong colors in weechat (ssh+tmux): ncurses causes the problem? X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5624AFB5.7010400@kulturflatrate.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:54:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:25:54 -0000 Weechat displays wrong colors on my FreeBSD server. I assume that it's related to ncurses since testing the 256 colours in a regular shell + tmux works fine. Somewhere I read (I don't have the link at hand right now) that once there was a option for devel/ncurses to build it with 256 colours but the option was dropped. Is it that ncurses now supports 256 colours by default or do I have to tweak something somewhere? -- Niklaas From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 10:00:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F09CA192D5 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:00:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0767A1889 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:00:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t9JA05aI030835 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:00:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t9JA05Rn030832; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:00:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:00:05 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Wrong colors in weechat (ssh+tmux): ncurses causes the problem? In-Reply-To: <5624AFB5.7010400@kulturflatrate.net> Message-ID: References: <5624AFB5.7010400@kulturflatrate.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, AWL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:00:16 -0000 On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:54+0200, Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff wrote: > Weechat displays wrong colors on my FreeBSD server. > > I assume that it's related to ncurses since testing the 256 colours in a > regular shell + tmux works fine. Somewhere I read (I don't have the link > at hand right now) that once there was a option for devel/ncurses to > build it with 256 colours but the option was dropped. > > Is it that ncurses now supports 256 colours by default or do I have to > tweak something somewhere? Maybe you're missing the environment variable TERM=xterm-256color or the value appropriate for tmux. -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestl, | Trond Endrestl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 10:13:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F605A196FF for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:13:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) Received: from mail2.kulturflatrate.net (mail2.kulturflatrate.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:121:52ad::3:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E10B1ECD for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:13:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) Received: from [10.10.10.146] (mail.kulturflatrate.net [IPv6:2a01:488:66:1000:2ea3:77dd:0:1]) (Authenticated sender: niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) by mail2.kulturflatrate.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3A362E264; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:13:15 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kulturflatrate.net; s=default; t=1445249596; bh=m6FS8MlykG6mwJZVZE9X6Of5q0FYItoCcZFB9aqwMIc=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=YeSTIKWSY77Kr6igygtW48SrdyWvEnHfKeGhpMC/E6ey1v8vobm9mUiRQE4lOATn9 RnadCyapvYXmEdLzeXcahKLVCbvXSlf40PVI3ZtHgveHcXHAp7G7hsemOi6etjEwPQ VOxOnVIQxqcBpJ7uM8/yUkvfE647d/xRSiCP9+KA= Subject: Re: Wrong colors in weechat (ssh+tmux): ncurses causes the problem? To: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=c3=b8l?= References: <5624AFB5.7010400@kulturflatrate.net> Cc: FreeBSD Questions From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff Message-ID: <5624C2D2.9020700@kulturflatrate.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:15:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:13:20 -0000 On 19/10/15 12:00, Trond Endrestøl wrote: > Maybe you're missing the environment variable TERM=xterm-256color or > the value appropriate for tmux. This is run in tmux: $ echo $TERM screen-256color which should be fine. Running a test script in tmux which tests for 256 colours works fine. I thought about asking this on weechat's list but on a Debian machine with the same tmux+weechat configuration everything works fine. -- Niklaas From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 10:34:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16419A19C6B for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:34:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from titi5187@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x232.google.com (mail-lb0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2708CE3 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from titi5187@gmail.com) Received: by lbbwb3 with SMTP id wb3so78642502lbb.1 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:34:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2MFmScBL8JUPdA3FzbE7lmzRNgYIahcnO4+pjYtljm4=; b=O9cPqk4oyy2lIi6btgt9P0Lt2+Cos+ViAHXOxMp141EclRnRS6lleLsVcKUBRN7Umf AmNpmADxnEjl4wDNjVMQcixB1tvk/H4almZyfRr3DnLjF37A7i3iIH2cL4fAK7armeds JdU8fHvwGCgqhLUlM1SDmcq1xcIR7Rm54d4qjz3TZgRxU5LhhwS/RdZJstKYzqt83oo5 KJi2oovpOYE/axV/7niM6F0BJs6wOToh0bh/M4VjfMvpisYHmTivN1JvrSkLVi+BDkvy 98rE7rUVD9BxLpvDHXH5sU+RIJk2Zn5vwXkveEPu1yKA8ouz99wHNDJrfvB0KUfCamrU Zu1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.72.40 with SMTP id a8mr2025633lbv.55.1445250895444; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.43.1 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:34:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: CozyCloud From: Thibault Noel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:34:59 -0000 Hello everybody, I have a question, Has someone already tried to run a cozycloud (not owncloud) is FreeBSD? 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From: Romu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:54:17 -0000 Hi, I have a Windows 10 PC, and I have two FreeBSD virtual machines running in the VMware player. The two VMs have the same network settings, and internet access works fine on both VMs. But on one of the two VMs, 'freebsd fetch' never works. Sometimes it outputs this: # freebsd-update fetch Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 10.2-STABLE from update.FreeBSD.org... invalid signature. No mirrors remaining, giving up. Sometimes it outputs this: # freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 10.2-STABLE from update5.freebsd.org... failed. Fetching metadata signature for 10.2-STABLE from update6.freebsd.org... failed. Fetching metadata signature for 10.2-STABLE from update3.freebsd.org... failed. Fetching metadata signature for 10.2-STABLE from update2.freebsd.org... failed. Fetching metadata signature for 10.2-STABLE from update4.freebsd.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. I tried setting ServerName to update1.FreeBSD.org or update2.FreeBSD.org in /etc/freebsd-update.conf, doesn't work. I don't know what program is in charge of /etc/resolv.conf, but after booting up, it always has the same nameservers, from my ISP I guess. I tried adding 8.8.8.8 into /etc/resolv.conf, it doesn't work. With or without 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolv.conf, "drill update.FreeBSD.org" always works. On the other FreeBSD virtual machine, I never had any problem with freebsd-update fetch/install. How to debug this issue? Thanks Romu From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 15:16:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB333A191D7 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02C6D1B for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id ACCC0A191D6; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC621A191D5 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B95FD1A for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id C684BCB8CBB; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:58:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:58:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <31927.128.135.52.6.1445266700.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20151019133856.GA35131@neutralgood.org> References: <20151019133856.GA35131@neutralgood.org> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:58:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Burning DVDs From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: kpneal@pobox.com Cc: john.haraden@yahoo.com, questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:16:57 -0000 On Mon, October 19, 2015 8:38 am, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 09:18:23PM -0700, john.haraden--- via > freebsd-questions wrote: >> (1) I am running FreeBSD 10.2 with >> crdtools-3.00_2 and >> dvd+rw-tools-7.1_1 >> (2) I can mount and read previously burned CDs and DVDs. >> (3) However, I cannot mount a blank cd or a blank dvd. > > The newest FreeBSD I have access to (FreeBSD 9.3) does not appear to > support > packet writing of UDF filesystems. Packet writing support is required to > treat a UDF-formatted DVD as a normal read-write filesystem. > > I do not know about newer FreeBSD. Anyone want to chime in? Anyone want > to update the table at en.wikipedia.org? > > Before using a blank disk, however, you will need to newfs_udf the disk. > Only after doing that will you have any hope of mounting read-write a > "blank" disk. (It isn't truly blank after being formatted.) I know this is really not an answer (about mounting "blank" CD/DVD). I burn DVDs with a single command growisofs which comes with dvd+rw-tools, say I want to burn all in current directory to DVD: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/cd0 -dvd-video -V DVD . (skip some options if you need just data DVD not DVD to be played on stand alone DVD player). When I need to burn from iso disk image (either CD or DVD) I use cdrecord command which comes with cdrtools package: cdrecord -dao disk-image.iso When I need to create Bluray disk (playable on stand-alone BD player), my path is longer: I first create disk image in a file (of necessary size), format it (make filesystem), mount it, copy there all necessary, unmount, then burn the image. Something like this: touch dvd.img du -sk BDMV # in the above I just found out how much space I will use on DB # and use the result in the following command - get it slightly larger... dd if=/dev/zero of=dvd.img bs=1024 count=10000000 mkudffs --vid AVCHD dvd.img mkdir tmp mount -o loop dvd.img tmp rmdir tmp/lost+found cp -R BDMV CERTIFICATE tmp umount tmp rmdir tmp growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=dvd.img I hope, this helps. Valeri > > -- > Kevin P. Neal http://www.pobox.com/~kpn/ > On the community of supercomputer fans: > "But what we lack in size we make up for in eccentricity." > from Steve Gombosi, comp.sys.super, 31 Jul 2000 11:22:43 -0600 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 17:08:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7251A1842F for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA40414D0 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B69C9A1842C; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6309A1842A for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x230.google.com (mail-oi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EEBB14CF for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by oiad129 with SMTP id d129so39988289oia.0 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:08:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yBuwGt3yyKqL2nDnEjl7pQvUlP/dWU/ycnUMIDHhPno=; b=KZkcGTPBM5yBpQzF+jV+3z2+HUtlsbs0nrP6G+1cgy6E4oAs6zyiSy3tOoKvRFFJIo LOlixS5r/PP65IR0yy9w2ibEzwNQx7r5BwPquRL6zjptxpzFT7ff0hJVBrQQO2JZOG7B Hhwiyx59gwuBWNnfuZPXjEH12iTkdMwsTtsB9+42Mc++POqN3Sdvy2MesXbETV4Y90Rw j8VoEOqpkRhsjvWCsE89dBSoKhpjGQ7uxh7siqbdAIVHteOUaIRrpoC3vAHOLyqFKyQR o/1r9b99J3+gRoe6/TMn/Xg4DhKN3neGzpf2/cQchA5iC4nNUS394YbS6CecR5PGv0mo K8PQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.220.212 with SMTP id t203mr2839190oig.73.1445274526792; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Sender: kob6558@gmail.com Received: by 10.202.50.136 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:08:46 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: wTeNzWVkSataTBizqlxPfsLtKns Message-ID: Subject: Mozilla not rendering web pages? From: Kevin Oberman To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:08:48 -0000 For the past week or so I have seen an increasing number of web pages where the javascript seems to not run. I get mostly text that is in linear lists along with a few "standard" icons like empty menus. Chromium has no similar issues. One site that stopped working is ESPN . Does anyone have any idea what is happening? -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 19:00:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF337A19194 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41291CAD for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B0E0FA19193; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B079EA19192 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net [194.109.24.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.xs4all.nl", Issuer "GlobalSign Domain Validation CA - SHA256 - G2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D5441CA8 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:00:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home ([83.162.243.5]) by smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net with ESMTP id X70m1r00507iGuj0170nG6; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:00:47 +0200 Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EDD151244F; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:00:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:00:45 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: kpneal@pobox.com Cc: john.haraden@yahoo.com, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Burning DVDs Message-ID: <20151019190045.GA32719@slackbox.erewhon.home> References: <20151019133856.GA35131@neutralgood.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20151019133856.GA35131@neutralgood.org> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:00:51 -0000 --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 09:38:56AM -0400, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 09:18:23PM -0700, john.haraden--- via freebsd-que= stions wrote: > > (1) I am running FreeBSD 10.2 with > > crdtools-3.00_2 and > > dvd+rw-tools-7.1_1 > > (2) I can mount and read previously burned CDs and DVDs. > > (3) However, I cannot mount a blank cd or a blank dvd. >=20 > The newest FreeBSD I have access to (FreeBSD 9.3) does not appear to supp= ort > packet writing of UDF filesystems. Packet writing support is required to > treat a UDF-formatted DVD as a normal read-write filesystem. >=20 > I do not know about newer FreeBSD. Anyone want to chime in? Anyone want > to update the table at en.wikipedia.org? It is not supported on newer FreeBSD either, I think. Looking at the files = in /usr/src/sys/fs/udf leads me to believe that there is no writing support. There doesn't seem to be a fusefs port for it either. But have a look at sysutils/udfclient, that might help. Personally I've always used dvd+rw-tools to prepare an UDF image. And since HDDs in USB enclosures became affordable, I haven't used DVDs anymore. They're just too small these days. Trying to back up a >100 GiB harddisk to DVDs gets old pretty fast. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAABCAAGBQJWJT3WAAoJEED21dyjijPg31kQAKCcBOqstXVF7GTFtaxO7JxP roMSpaq+H9xBLdTndN1q2aRu2sN/n7sFb1RH1Rj0dAchInZ6kkLFQZnzz2Bb/cSt oxH5RsK6eoWmaJcWnACVuALLsJ7/bfNcEBjhmZT1G48W3iNmeDfqWpz2NEXl/nKo ptUWOEF/KUhjVHkp/XOENWZkpuXVi7mVGhrbhqyWXMZ4SfMkBSh+l9whqU9WAycI D3dlgn3mJcWuB8QmLdO4mUcYvxjb4TJX+gGBqEqrqWcsVjWBvFskCGMqWa1gWvj8 PXJg34zR3JCcF1qwURV/jjoXGlhJIMBm9ZOlmy0nermz+H+SY0k96RkUSll9SeTf jqOkMiPKtAPeUCq+J4tY13KK0ABFLMNU9LyIo0WPmZxNeQ4PmyEWUjQgAOUrF4Ai Ul0c2JgzHWGKGK4FqWERxidIG8U6bRwX5J88FCsraEFmQBi1WhsuXwv6RHVweYj8 0lFxF0LUbdaI/OfXZ5Gd63fqJDD78JDMcEphySLZuLDMo8cvp0bHp/pWD4RNRnTM HL8PKK9qQrPJwllXJUn4p6qs5bjxc256UjMMX2sf4viIIr4LOI0ZYkcXTdb876KK XJhZpRcQPVw1FcDh9KIo89KXclkfQp3Y/3It3RRmJ9S1BfdVMkGPtb7Hwg8vyWl5 zqMWR+rvxaY7yfl3F3F1 =tUFs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 19:15:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6EDA195DF for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A603F0 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 74A04A195DE; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7432CA195DD for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45C0F3EF for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:15:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t9JJFV38017558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:15:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Mozilla not rendering web pages? To: questions@freebsd.org References: From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <56254153.5050005@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:21:01 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:15:39 -0000 On 10/19/15 12:15, Kevin Oberman wrote: > For the past week or so I have seen an increasing number of web pages where > the javascript seems to not run. I get mostly text that is in linear lists > along with a few "standard" icons like empty menus. Chromium has no similar > issues. > > One site that stopped working is ESPN . > > Does anyone have any idea what is happening? > -- > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I just tried that link, looked OK to me .... [root@kabini1, /etc, 2:19:42pm] 423 % grep -i firefox LIST.installed.txt firefox-41.0.1,1 Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla [root@kabini1, /etc, 2:19:49pm] 424 % uname -a FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p24 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p24 #0: Sat Aug 22 01:54:44 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 2:20:05pm] 425 % Mind you, I don't go there much/ever, but it looked fine to me. $0.02, no more, no less .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 19:29:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF68A19B3C for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:29:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BD6A10AD for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:29:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t9JJT8QL027183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:29:09 -0500 To: FreeBSD Questions !!!! From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Installation progress Message-ID: <56254484.8060003@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:34:38 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:29:11 -0000 Well, I finally pulled the trigger on a ZFS install on my myth-TV box-to-be and .... Everything basically worked, 2 glitches, but I got worked around them & it is up & running, w/ 2X 1 TB 7200 RPM 2.5" HDD's in an unmirrored pool, about 1.8 TiB total pool size. I am configuring it now, & have a couple of questions. If I want it to be a NFS server & export /home, do I just use that reference verbatim in my /etc/exports file & crank the server or is there more to it ? Also, is use of tmpfs compatible/OK w/ ZFS 'filesystem' ? Some particulars below: root@mythbox:/etc # df -h ; w ; pstat -hms ; uname -a ; hwclock -r ; date Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on zroot/ROOT/default 1.8T 449M 1.8T 0% / devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev zroot/home 1.8T 208k 1.8T 0% /home zroot/tmp 1.8T 176k 1.8T 0% /tmp zroot/usr 1.8T 1.3G 1.8T 0% /usr zroot/usr/local 1.8T 144k 1.8T 0% /usr/local zroot/var 1.8T 624k 1.8T 0% /var zroot/var/crash 1.8T 148k 1.8T 0% /var/crash zroot/var/db 1.8T 3.1M 1.8T 0% /var/db zroot/var/db/pkg 1.8T 144k 1.8T 0% /var/db/pkg zroot/var/empty 1.8T 144k 1.8T 0% /var/empty zroot/var/log 1.8T 208k 1.8T 0% /var/log zroot/var/mail 1.8T 144k 1.8T 0% /var/mail zroot/var/run 1.8T 216k 1.8T 0% /var/run zroot/var/tmp 1.8T 152k 1.8T 0% /var/tmp 4256ee1:/home 3.5T 996G 2.3T 30% /.amd_mnt/4256ee1/host/home jaguar:/home 3.4T 214G 3T 7% /.amd_mnt/jaguar/host/home q6600:/home 1.8T 1.2T 453G 74% /.amd_mnt/q6600/host/home 2:26PM up 4:36, 3 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT root v0 - 11:02PM - -csh (csh) wam pts/0 kabini1.local Tue12AM - -tcsh (tcsh) wam pts/1 kabini1.local 11:48PM - w Device 1M-blocks Used Avail Capacity /dev/gpt/swap0 16384 0B 16G 0% /dev/gpt/swap1 16384 0B 16G 0% Total 32768 0B 32G 0% FreeBSD mythbox 9.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE #0 r268512: Thu Jul 10 23:44:39 UTC 2014 root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 hwclock: Command not found. Mon Oct 19 14:26:31 CDT 2015 root@mythbox:/etc # I followed the wiki page quite closely, w/ unmirrored pool being the main diff. TIA & have a good one. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 19:43:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57CDA190FF for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:43:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF501F07 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:43:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [88.151.27.41] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoGLJ-0002v2-DQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:43:37 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.85 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoGLI-000GTI-Ee for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:43:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:43:35 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation progress Message-Id: <20151019204335.89b83ff2eff7213ca5c36556@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <56254484.8060003@hiwaay.net> References: <56254484.8060003@hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.3 (GTK+ 2.24.28; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 24227@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:43:47 -0000 On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:34:38 -0453.75 "William A. Mahaffey III" wrote: > Well, I finally pulled the trigger on a ZFS install on my myth-TV > box-to-be and .... Everything basically worked, 2 glitches, but I got > worked around them & it is up & running, w/ 2X 1 TB 7200 RPM 2.5" HDD's > in an unmirrored pool, about 1.8 TiB total pool size. I am configuring > it now, & have a couple of questions. If I want it to be a NFS server & > export /home, do I just use that reference verbatim in my /etc/exports > file & crank the server or is there more to it ? You can do that, but just as ZFS has inbuilt support for managing mounting of filesystems by setting the mountpoint property it also has inbuilt support for managing NFS exports via the sharenfs property. Do one or the other - not both. I started out using /etc/exports and switched to ZFS properties for reasons I have now forgotten. > Also, is use of tmpfs > compatible/OK w/ ZFS 'filesystem' ? Sure no reason why you shouldn't use both, except perhaps for memory pressure. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 20:33:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F47A199C5 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:33:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7A6D14AB for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:33:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t9JKXojR019175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:33:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Installation progress To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <56254484.8060003@hiwaay.net> <20151019204335.89b83ff2eff7213ca5c36556@sohara.org> From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <562553AE.6020601@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:39:20 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151019204335.89b83ff2eff7213ca5c36556@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:33:53 -0000 On 10/19/15 14:49, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:34:38 -0453.75 > "William A. Mahaffey III" wrote: > >> Well, I finally pulled the trigger on a ZFS install on my myth-TV >> box-to-be and .... Everything basically worked, 2 glitches, but I got >> worked around them & it is up & running, w/ 2X 1 TB 7200 RPM 2.5" HDD's >> in an unmirrored pool, about 1.8 TiB total pool size. I am configuring >> it now, & have a couple of questions. If I want it to be a NFS server & >> export /home, do I just use that reference verbatim in my /etc/exports >> file & crank the server or is there more to it ? > You can do that, but just as ZFS has inbuilt support for managing > mounting of filesystems by setting the mountpoint property it also has > inbuilt support for managing NFS exports via the sharenfs property. Do one > or the other - not both. I started out using /etc/exports and switched to > ZFS properties for reasons I have now forgotten. I just set sharenfs: [root@mythbox, /etc, 3:25:23pm] 295 % df -h ; hddtemp /dev/ada[0-3] ; w ; pstat -hms ; uname -a ; hwclock -r ; date Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on zroot/ROOT/default zfs 1.8T 450M 1.8T 0% / devfs devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev zroot/home zfs 1.8T 208k 1.8T 0% /home zroot/tmp zfs 1.8T 184k 1.8T 0% /tmp zroot/usr zfs 1.8T 1.3G 1.8T 0% /usr zroot/usr/local zfs 1.8T 9.3M 1.8T 0% /usr/local zroot/var zfs 1.8T 624k 1.8T 0% /var zroot/var/crash zfs 1.8T 148k 1.8T 0% /var/crash zroot/var/db zfs 1.8T 3.1M 1.8T 0% /var/db zroot/var/db/pkg zfs 1.8T 25M 1.8T 0% /var/db/pkg zroot/var/empty zfs 1.8T 144k 1.8T 0% /var/empty zroot/var/log zfs 1.8T 208k 1.8T 0% /var/log zroot/var/mail zfs 1.8T 144k 1.8T 0% /var/mail zroot/var/run zfs 1.8T 216k 1.8T 0% /var/run zroot/var/tmp zfs 1.8T 152k 1.8T 0% /var/tmp hddtemp: Command not found. 3:25PM up 5:29, 3 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT root v0 - 11:09PM - -csh (csh) wam pts/0 kabini1.local 2:45PM 26 -tcsh (tcsh) wam pts/1 kabini1.local 2:37PM - w Device 1M-blocks Used Avail Capacity /dev/gpt/swap0 16384 0B 16G 0% /dev/gpt/swap1 16384 0B 16G 0% Total 32768 0B 32G 0% FreeBSD mythbox 9.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE #0 r268512: Thu Jul 10 23:44:39 UTC 2014 root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 hwclock: Command not found. Mon Oct 19 15:25:30 MCDT 2015 [root@mythbox, /etc, 3:25:30pm] 296 % zfs set sharenfs=on zroot/home [root@mythbox, /etc, 3:25:45pm] 297 % zfs share -a However, when I try to mount the shared 'directory', I get the following on the other box (also FreeBSD 9.3R, as it happens): [wam@kabini1, ~, 3:33:43pm] 372 % lf /net/4256ee1/home/ /net/mythbox/home/ /net/q6600/home/; date ls: /net/mythbox/home/: Operation timed out /net/4256ee1/home/: FTP/ ISOs/ archive/ pub/ rsync/ wam/ work/ /net/q6600/home/: FTP/ ISOs/ VMs/ archive/ lost+found/ mnt/ rsync/ wam/ work/ zaliases.csh zaliases.sh Mon Oct 19 15:34:02 MCDT 2015 [wam@kabini1, ~, 3:34:02pm] 373 % & in my messages file: Oct 19 15:19:40 kabini1 amd[31334]: get_mount_client failed for mythbox: : RPC: Program not registered Oct 19 15:19:40 kabini1 amd[782]: /net/mythbox: mount (amfs_cont): Input/output error Oct 19 15:20:33 kabini1 amd[31392]: get_mount_client failed for mythbox: : RPC: Program not registered Oct 19 15:20:33 kabini1 amd[782]: /net/mythbox: mount (amfs_cont): Input/output error Oct 19 15:27:47 kabini1 amd[31851]: get_mount_client failed for mythbox: : RPC: Program not registered Oct 19 15:27:47 kabini1 amd[782]: /net/mythbox: mount (amfs_cont): Input/output error Nothing in any of the log files on the myth-box. Pilot error, I'm sure, but any clues appreciated. Thanks & TIA & have a good one. > >> Also, is use of tmpfs >> compatible/OK w/ ZFS 'filesystem' ? > Sure no reason why you shouldn't use both, except perhaps for > memory pressure. > Fair amount of RAM here (16 GB), so I think I'll activate tmpfs, thanks. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 21:51:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBBCA19279 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:51:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milios@ccsys.com) Received: from cargobay.net (cargobay.net [198.178.123.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFA67C84 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:51:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milios@ccsys.com) Received: from [10.240.34.205] (unknown [166.170.21.107]) by cargobay.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2078CE9; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Installation progress From: "Chad J. Milios" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13A452) In-Reply-To: <562553AE.6020601@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:45:44 -0400 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <56254484.8060003@hiwaay.net> <20151019204335.89b83ff2eff7213ca5c36556@sohara.org> <562553AE.6020601@hiwaay.net> To: "William A. Mahaffey III" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:51:33 -0000 > On Oct 19, 2015, at 4:32 PM, William A. Mahaffey III wrot= e: >=20 >> On 10/19/15 14:49, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:34:38 -0453.75 >> "William A. Mahaffey III" wrote: >>=20 >>> Well, I finally pulled the trigger on a ZFS install on my myth-TV >>> box-to-be and .... Everything basically worked, 2 glitches, but I got >>> worked around them & it is up & running, w/ 2X 1 TB 7200 RPM 2.5" HDD's >>> in an unmirrored pool, about 1.8 TiB total pool size. I am configuring >>> it now, & have a couple of questions. If I want it to be a NFS server & >>> export /home, do I just use that reference verbatim in my /etc/exports >>> file & crank the server or is there more to it ? >> You can do that, but just as ZFS has inbuilt support for managing >> mounting of filesystems by setting the mountpoint property it also has >> inbuilt support for managing NFS exports via the sharenfs property. Do on= e >> or the other - not both. I started out using /etc/exports and switched to= >> ZFS properties for reasons I have now forgotten. >=20 > I just set sharenfs: >=20 >=20 > [root@mythbox, /etc, 3:25:23pm] 295 % df -h ; hddtemp /dev/ada[0-3] ; w ; p= stat -hms ; uname -a ; hwclock -r ; date > Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > zroot/ROOT/default zfs 1.8T 450M 1.8T 0% / > devfs devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev > zroot/home zfs 1.8T 208k 1.8T 0% /home > zroot/tmp zfs 1.8T 184k 1.8T 0% /tmp > zroot/usr zfs 1.8T 1.3G 1.8T 0% /usr > zroot/usr/local zfs 1.8T 9.3M 1.8T 0% /usr/local > zroot/var zfs 1.8T 624k 1.8T 0% /var > zroot/var/crash zfs 1.8T 148k 1.8T 0% /var/crash > zroot/var/db zfs 1.8T 3.1M 1.8T 0% /var/db > zroot/var/db/pkg zfs 1.8T 25M 1.8T 0% /var/db/pkg > zroot/var/empty zfs 1.8T 144k 1.8T 0% /var/empty > zroot/var/log zfs 1.8T 208k 1.8T 0% /var/log > zroot/var/mail zfs 1.8T 144k 1.8T 0% /var/mail > zroot/var/run zfs 1.8T 216k 1.8T 0% /var/run > zroot/var/tmp zfs 1.8T 152k 1.8T 0% /var/tmp > hddtemp: Command not found. > 3:25PM up 5:29, 3 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT > root v0 - 11:09PM - -csh (csh) > wam pts/0 kabini1.local 2:45PM 26 -tcsh (tcsh) > wam pts/1 kabini1.local 2:37PM - w > Device 1M-blocks Used Avail Capacity > /dev/gpt/swap0 16384 0B 16G 0% > /dev/gpt/swap1 16384 0B 16G 0% > Total 32768 0B 32G 0% > FreeBSD mythbox 9.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE #0 r268512: Thu Jul 10 23:= 44:39 UTC 2014 root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > hwclock: Command not found. > Mon Oct 19 15:25:30 MCDT 2015 > [root@mythbox, /etc, 3:25:30pm] 296 % zfs set sharenfs=3Don zroot/home > [root@mythbox, /etc, 3:25:45pm] 297 % zfs share -a >=20 > However, when I try to mount the shared 'directory', I get the following o= n the other box (also FreeBSD 9.3R, as it happens): >=20 > [wam@kabini1, ~, 3:33:43pm] 372 % lf /net/4256ee1/home/ /net/mythbox/home/= /net/q6600/home/; date > ls: /net/mythbox/home/: Operation timed out > /net/4256ee1/home/: > FTP/ ISOs/ archive/ pub/ rsync/ wam/ work/ >=20 > /net/q6600/home/: > FTP/ ISOs/ VMs/ archive/ lost+found/ mnt/ = rsync/ wam/ work/ zaliases.csh zaliases.sh > Mon Oct 19 15:34:02 MCDT 2015 > [wam@kabini1, ~, 3:34:02pm] 373 % >=20 > & in my messages file: >=20 >=20 > Oct 19 15:19:40 kabini1 amd[31334]: get_mount_client failed for mythbox: := RPC: Program not registered > Oct 19 15:19:40 kabini1 amd[782]: /net/mythbox: mount (amfs_cont): Input/o= utput error > Oct 19 15:20:33 kabini1 amd[31392]: get_mount_client failed for mythbox: := RPC: Program not registered > Oct 19 15:20:33 kabini1 amd[782]: /net/mythbox: mount (amfs_cont): Input/o= utput error > Oct 19 15:27:47 kabini1 amd[31851]: get_mount_client failed for mythbox: := RPC: Program not registered > Oct 19 15:27:47 kabini1 amd[782]: /net/mythbox: mount (amfs_cont): Input/o= utput error >=20 >=20 > Nothing in any of the log files on the myth-box. Pilot error, I'm sure, bu= t any clues appreciated. Thanks & TIA & have a good one. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >>> Also, is use of tmpfs >>> compatible/OK w/ ZFS 'filesystem' ? >> Sure no reason why you shouldn't use both, except perhaps for >> memory pressure. >=20 > Fair amount of RAM here (16 GB), so I think I'll activate tmpfs, thanks. >=20 > --=20 >=20 > William A. Mahaffey III >=20 I believe the problem is that u still need to start the nfsd and rpcbind ser= vices, u just don't have to manually manage /etc/exports anymore when using t= he ZFS properties. I think u will be pleased with tmpfs. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 22:11:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E976A195DE for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:11:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f440::d144:5b3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 704B7132F for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:11:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-108-49-223-195.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.49.223.195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 69A043F7E5 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <56256A8B.3070104@sneakertech.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:11:23 -0400 From: Quartz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PCI-E SSD cards References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:11:31 -0000 > I was looking at adding an ssd for a zil and/or l2arc to my zfs pool > but all my hard drive bays are full. I have free pci-e slots, so I > started looking at using that instead of a physical drive. Does > anyone have any experience with these ssd pci-e cards in FreeBSD? Your bays are full, but are you using all the sata ports on your board? You can get simple brackets that let you mount a normal sata drive in a pci slot (no connection to the actual slot connector). If your slots are all spoken for, you could combine a bracket with a generic sata card in another slot (assuming you have multiple slots free). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 22:17:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58ED9A19782 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:17:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 398EF1563 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:17:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-108-49-223-195.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.49.223.195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 13EBB3F784 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <56256BE5.8090601@sneakertech.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:17:09 -0400 From: Quartz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mozilla not rendering web pages? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:17:11 -0000 > For the past week or so I have seen an increasing number of web pages where > the javascript seems to not run. I get mostly text that is in linear lists > along with a few "standard" icons like empty menus. It sounds like you're describing a CSS problem rather than a Javascript problem. That espn site loads its CSS off of another server (espncdn.com), did you perhaps recently install some kind of adblocker or something that might be messing with that sort of stuff? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 22:24:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F83A19980 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0240E19AA for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:24:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t9JMOMuD004369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:24:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Installation progress References: <56254484.8060003@hiwaay.net> <20151019204335.89b83ff2eff7213ca5c36556@sohara.org> <562553AE.6020601@hiwaay.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <56256D96.3010005@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:29:52 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:24:25 -0000 On 10/19/15 16:51, Chad J. Milios wrote: > I believe the problem is that u still need to start the nfsd and rpcbind services, u just don't have to manually manage /etc/exports anymore when using the ZFS properties. > > I think u will be pleased with tmpfs. > > You, sir, are 100% correct. I did a 'freebsd-update' up to current (GENERIC) kernel & rebooted & the NFS server is indeed working. *BOOOOYAH* !!!! WRT tmpfs: [root@mythbox, /etc, 5:26:32pm] 209 % df -h ; hddtemp /dev/ada[0-3] ; w ; pstat -hms ; uname -a ; hwclock -r ; date Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on zroot/ROOT/default zfs 1.8T 472M 1.8T 0% / devfs devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev tmpfs tmpfs 8.0G 4.0k 8G 0% /tmp fdescfs fdescfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev/fd zroot/home zfs 1.8T 216k 1.8T 0% /home zroot/tmp zfs 1.8T 184k 1.8T 0% /tmp zroot/usr zfs 1.8T 1.3G 1.8T 0% /usr zroot/usr/local zfs 1.8T 27M 1.8T 0% /usr/local zroot/var zfs 1.8T 4.2M 1.8T 0% /var zroot/var/crash zfs 1.8T 148k 1.8T 0% /var/crash zroot/var/db zfs 1.8T 215M 1.8T 0% /var/db zroot/var/db/pkg zfs 1.8T 25M 1.8T 0% /var/db/pkg zroot/var/empty zfs 1.8T 144k 1.8T 0% /var/empty zroot/var/log zfs 1.8T 216k 1.8T 0% /var/log zroot/var/mail zfs 1.8T 144k 1.8T 0% /var/mail zroot/var/run zfs 1.8T 248k 1.8T 0% /var/run zroot/var/tmp zfs 1.8T 152k 1.8T 0% /var/tmp SMART supported, SMART enabled drive /dev/ada0: HGST HTS721010A9E630, S/N: JR10046P2YAK7N, Temp. 24 degC, min/max, cycle: 20/25, lifetime: 16/29, lifetime avg. 23 degC drive /dev/ada1: HGST HTS721010A9E630, S/N: JR10046P2YAGTN, Temp. 24 degC, min/max, cycle: 20/24, lifetime: 16/29, lifetime avg. 23 degC 5:29PM up 13 mins, 3 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.04, 0.07 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT root v0 - 5:17PM 10 -csh (csh) wam pts/0 kabini1.local 5:20PM 2 -tcsh (tcsh) wam pts/1 kabini1.local 5:26PM - w Device 1M-blocks Used Avail Capacity /dev/gpt/swap0 16384 0B 16G 0% /dev/gpt/swap1 16384 0B 16G 0% Total 32768 0B 32G 0% FreeBSD mythbox 9.3-RELEASE-p24 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p24 #0: Sat Aug 22 01:54:44 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 hwclock: Command not found. Mon Oct 19 17:29:31 MCDT 2015 [root@mythbox, /etc, 5:29:31pm] 210 % I notice zroot/tmp & tmpfs both mounted @ /tmp, problem ? Thanks & TIA & have a good one. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 22:30:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF40CA19BC3 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:30:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) Received: from mail2.kulturflatrate.net (mail2.kulturflatrate.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:121:52ad::3:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52251D14 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:30:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) Received: from [10.0.0.38] (mail.kulturflatrate.net [IPv6:2a01:488:66:1000:2ea3:77dd:0:1]) (Authenticated sender: niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) by mail2.kulturflatrate.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5896FE70D; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 00:30:14 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kulturflatrate.net; s=default; t=1445293814; bh=1Wp4hkZK/jYMYLkWjT1gjvTuIuWKe5hGMsAhSWE9wD0=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=uexdYxdZxbYxW2ZrDbCsIYWi6OkKCtvwHyoKGjYZkaqnYDyM3ARzSbuvAYvvsYRUi XT0B8xCP+tfvMNhsaIRkDKZ0D6EIbgmFtnCHmatZMuIaUAeFr+Q0IB9pQCGxTlvMCa ARqLAgKQ+gSJROeBNQ6FvoDtZSZEqOXyjplATMx8= Subject: Re: freebsd-update fetch: No mirrors remaining, giving up. To: Romu , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff Message-ID: <56256F8E.2020302@kulturflatrate.net> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 00:32:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:30:17 -0000 On 19/10/15 14:54, Romu wrote: > I don't know what program is in charge of /etc/resolv.conf, but after > booting up, it always has the same nameservers, from my ISP I guess. I > tried adding 8.8.8.8 into /etc/resolv.conf, it doesn't work. How many are there? And is your machine connected through IPv4 and/or 6? I once had the problem that one of my jails was not able to resolve server names because I didn't realise that only the first 3 entries in /etc/resolv.conf are looked up. All of those were IPv4 but my jail was IPv6 only. (`drill` worked though.) -- Niklaas From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 22:33:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F6EA19DFB for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:33:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milios@ccsys.com) Received: from cargobay.net (cargobay.net [198.178.123.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECB1D14E for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:33:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milios@ccsys.com) Received: from [10.240.34.205] (unknown [166.170.21.107]) by cargobay.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FF70CF2; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Installation progress From: "Chad J. Milios" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13A452) In-Reply-To: <56256D96.3010005@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:33:39 -0400 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <56254484.8060003@hiwaay.net> <20151019204335.89b83ff2eff7213ca5c36556@sohara.org> <562553AE.6020601@hiwaay.net> <56256D96.3010005@hiwaay.net> To: "William A. Mahaffey III" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:33:43 -0000 > On Oct 19, 2015, at 6:22 PM, William A. Mahaffey III wrot= e: >=20 >> On 10/19/15 16:51, Chad J. Milios wrote: >> I believe the problem is that u still need to start the nfsd and rpcbind s= ervices, u just don't have to manually manage /etc/exports anymore when usin= g the ZFS properties. >>=20 >> I think u will be pleased with tmpfs. >=20 > You, sir, are 100% correct. I did a 'freebsd-update' up to current (GENERI= C) kernel & rebooted & the NFS server is indeed working. *BOOOOYAH* !!!! >=20 > WRT tmpfs: >=20 >=20 > [root@mythbox, /etc, 5:26:32pm] 209 % df -h ; hddtemp /dev/ada[0-3] ; w ; p= stat -hms ; uname -a ; hwclock -r ; date > Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > zroot/ROOT/default zfs 1.8T 472M 1.8T 0% / > devfs devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev > tmpfs tmpfs 8.0G 4.0k 8G 0% /tmp > fdescfs fdescfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev/fd > zroot/home zfs 1.8T 216k 1.8T 0% /home > zroot/tmp zfs 1.8T 184k 1.8T 0% /tmp > zroot/usr zfs 1.8T 1.3G 1.8T 0% /usr > zroot/usr/local zfs 1.8T 27M 1.8T 0% /usr/local > zroot/var zfs 1.8T 4.2M 1.8T 0% /var > zroot/var/crash zfs 1.8T 148k 1.8T 0% /var/crash > zroot/var/db zfs 1.8T 215M 1.8T 0% /var/db > zroot/var/db/pkg zfs 1.8T 25M 1.8T 0% /var/db/pkg > zroot/var/empty zfs 1.8T 144k 1.8T 0% /var/empty > zroot/var/log zfs 1.8T 216k 1.8T 0% /var/log > zroot/var/mail zfs 1.8T 144k 1.8T 0% /var/mail > zroot/var/run zfs 1.8T 248k 1.8T 0% /var/run > zroot/var/tmp zfs 1.8T 152k 1.8T 0% /var/tmp > SMART supported, SMART enabled > drive /dev/ada0: HGST HTS721010A9E630, S/N: JR10046P2YAK7N, Temp. 24 degC,= min/max, cycle: 20/25, lifetime: 16/29, lifetime avg. 23 degC > drive /dev/ada1: HGST HTS721010A9E630, S/N: JR10046P2YAGTN, Temp. 24 degC,= min/max, cycle: 20/24, lifetime: 16/29, lifetime avg. 23 degC > 5:29PM up 13 mins, 3 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.04, 0.07 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT > root v0 - 5:17PM 10 -csh (csh) > wam pts/0 kabini1.local 5:20PM 2 -tcsh (tcsh) > wam pts/1 kabini1.local 5:26PM - w > Device 1M-blocks Used Avail Capacity > /dev/gpt/swap0 16384 0B 16G 0% > /dev/gpt/swap1 16384 0B 16G 0% > Total 32768 0B 32G 0% > FreeBSD mythbox 9.3-RELEASE-p24 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p24 #0: Sat Aug 22 01:= 54:44 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENER= IC amd64 > hwclock: Command not found. > Mon Oct 19 17:29:31 MCDT 2015 > [root@mythbox, /etc, 5:29:31pm] 210 % >=20 >=20 > I notice zroot/tmp & tmpfs both mounted @ /tmp, problem ? Thanks & TIA & h= ave a good one. >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > William A. Mahaffey III >=20 Yes. You will want to destroy zroot/tmp= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 19 23:00:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F48A1878D for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:00:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from huruomu@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x22e.google.com (mail-vk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E288115B for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:00:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from huruomu@gmail.com) Received: by vkgy127 with SMTP id y127so133268vkg.0 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=hQ+16Wrnu7uyDZHlvK94DEfLN4EYCkW2F0mkaEcIgH0=; b=JPAocRbxAeVm7jpqyfSDG6bKs6MOQsJGRCqEixwEtVemnUqvL6nLIOA/1RSePeOpN5 Ziof+dHVVLTzxgjThTFUgLdcDeg8BU53gVEj/4Iabwtw8tGkidwupxazL3qZrnUX93l3 qGt7JdLTFvn2vZUq2IxxFGvtEqC5KtqMOhd456p63OgPS5NweVD9hFkzDraK6KiZi6wb +N/sQHia5IEN7JmFS/DYp9yYSjqwybBQ5Vm/XC+eA0kStvCLda58XeA8w+Xp8qVfUjCQ qSKyHsswz+nd0Pd66aogBR4d+MeAeBR0hd92F+XPVDo/OXcL9ZFH188Jv2sgH7QEYYJD C7Rw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.178.136 with SMTP id b130mr21273668vkf.109.1445295652942; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.89.207 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:00:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <56256F8E.2020302@kulturflatrate.net> References: <56256F8E.2020302@kulturflatrate.net> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 07:00:52 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd-update fetch: No mirrors remaining, giving up. From: Romu To: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:00:54 -0000 In my /etc/resolv.conf there are always two nameservers. My virtual machines are connected though IPv4, no IPv6. Thanks Romu 2015-10-20 6:32 GMT+08:00 Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff < niklaas@kulturflatrate.net>: > On 19/10/15 14:54, Romu wrote: > > I don't know what program is in charge of /etc/resolv.conf, but after > > booting up, it always has the same nameservers, from my ISP I guess. I > > tried adding 8.8.8.8 into /etc/resolv.conf, it doesn't work. > > How many are there? And is your machine connected through IPv4 and/or 6? > > I once had the problem that one of my jails was not able to resolve > server names because I didn't realise that only the first 3 entries in > /etc/resolv.conf are looked up. All of those were IPv4 but my jail was > IPv6 only. (`drill` worked though.) > > -- > Niklaas > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 20 02:57:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D98A1AA11 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 02:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8B8E93D for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 02:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t9K2vWN3067304 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t9K2vWch067301; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:57:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Quartz cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mozilla not rendering web pages? In-Reply-To: <56256BE5.8090601@sneakertech.com> Message-ID: References: <56256BE5.8090601@sneakertech.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:57:32 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 02:57:35 -0000 On Mon, 19 Oct 2015, Quartz wrote: >> For the past week or so I have seen an increasing number of web pages where >> the javascript seems to not run. I get mostly text that is in linear lists >> along with a few "standard" icons like empty menus. > > It sounds like you're describing a CSS problem rather than a Javascript > problem. That espn site loads its CSS off of another server (espncdn.com), > did you perhaps recently install some kind of adblocker or something that > might be messing with that sort of stuff? I see this occasionally on some sites. A refresh with F5 usually cures it. A race condition causes by sourcing data from multiple sites could certainly explain it. 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From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Post install FWIW Message-ID: <56265636.4050208@hiwaay.net> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:02:24 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:56:57 -0000 I decided to do a bit of light benchmarking on my newly provisioned MythTV-to-be box, w/ 2X 1TB HDD's, 7200 RPM, SATA3, 2.5" formactor, in an unmirrored XFS pool: [root@mythbox, /etc, 9:50:49am] 345 % time dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/testfile bs=16k count=32768 32768+0 records in 32768+0 records out 536870912 bytes transferred in 1.504679 secs (356800912 bytes/sec) whew !!!! that took (0.023 cpu + 1.479 sys) sec., 0:01.50 elapsed time tot, 99.3% CPU efficiency (25 text, 2768 data, 1660 max) KB, (0+32768) io, 0 pfs + 0 swaps [root@mythbox, /etc, 9:51:15am] 346 % lltr /home/ total 524561 drwxr-xr-x 3 wam users 13 Oct 19 23:50 wam/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 536870912 Oct 20 09:51 testfile [root@mythbox, /etc, 9:51:30am] 347 % time dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/testfile bs=1m count=32768 32768+0 records in 32768+0 records out 34359738368 bytes transferred in 154.287960 secs (222698766 bytes/sec) whew !!!! that took (0.211 cpu + 32.909 sys) sec., 2:34.39 elapsed time tot, 21.4% CPU efficiency (25 text, 2753 data, 2664 max) KB, (0+0) io, 0 pfs + 0 swaps [root@mythbox, /etc, 9:55:11am] 348 % lltr /home/ total 33571089 drwxr-xr-x 3 wam users 13 Oct 19 23:50 wam/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 34359738368 Oct 20 09:55 testfile [root@mythbox, /etc, 9:57:41am] 349 % df -h ; hddtemp /dev/ada[0-3] ; w ; pstat -hms ; uname -a ; hwclock -r ; date Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on zroot/ROOT/default zfs 1.7T 472M 1.7T 0% / devfs devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev tmpfs tmpfs 8.0G 4.0k 8G 0% /tmp fdescfs fdescfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev/fd zroot/home zfs 1.8T 32G 1.7T 2% /home zroot/usr zfs 1.7T 1.3G 1.7T 0% /usr zroot/usr/local zfs 1.7T 27M 1.7T 0% /usr/local zroot/var zfs 1.7T 4.3M 1.7T 0% /var zroot/var/crash zfs 1.7T 148k 1.7T 0% /var/crash zroot/var/db zfs 1.7T 215M 1.7T 0% /var/db zroot/var/db/pkg zfs 1.7T 25M 1.7T 0% /var/db/pkg zroot/var/empty zfs 1.7T 144k 1.7T 0% /var/empty zroot/var/log zfs 1.7T 236k 1.7T 0% /var/log zroot/var/mail zfs 1.7T 144k 1.7T 0% /var/mail zroot/var/run zfs 1.7T 256k 1.7T 0% /var/run zroot/var/tmp zfs 1.7T 152k 1.7T 0% /var/tmp SMART supported, SMART enabled drive /dev/ada0: HGST HTS721010A9E630, S/N: JR10046P2YAK7N, Temp. 24 degC, min/max, cycle: 20/25, lifetime: 16/29, lifetime avg. 23 degC drive /dev/ada1: HGST HTS721010A9E630, S/N: JR10046P2YAGTN, Temp. 24 degC, min/max, cycle: 20/25, lifetime: 16/29, lifetime avg. 22 degC 9:57AM up 1:50, 2 users, load averages: 0.03, 0.11, 0.06 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT wam pts/0 kabini1.local 8:08AM - w wam pts/1 kabini1.local 8:19AM 1:36 -tcsh (tcsh) Device 1M-blocks Used Avail Capacity /dev/gpt/swap0 16384 0B 16G 0% /dev/gpt/swap1 16384 0B 16G 0% Total 32768 0B 32G 0% FreeBSD mythbox.local 9.3-RELEASE-p24 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p24 #0: Sat Aug 22 01:54:44 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 hwclock: Command not found. Tue Oct 20 09:57:50 MCDT 2015 [root@mythbox, /etc, 9:57:50am] 350 % I think I am reading that at 220-ish MB/s for a large (obviously simple) file write. When I dd'ed /dev/zero to (re-) initialize the individual drives during install, I saw 125-ish MB/s per drive, so this is 90-ish % efficient for this write. That is fabulous AFAIAC !!!! *Boooooyah !!!!* -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 20 18:20:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1721A1AD8F for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:20:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF5A0E1A for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:20:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-108-49-223-195.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.49.223.195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE8423F833 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <562685CE.5050309@sneakertech.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:19:58 -0400 From: Quartz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Post install FWIW References: <56265636.4050208@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <56265636.4050208@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:20:01 -0000 >When I dd'ed /dev/zero to (re-) initialize the individual > drives during install, I saw 125-ish MB/s per drive, so this is 90-ish % > efficient for this write. Do remember that using dd to estimate disk speeds is tricky since its write pattern is somewhat non-standard. You should try a more 'real world' test like rsyncing a bunch of random crap with differing sizes. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 20 22:05:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8184EA1A131 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38C33F1D for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:05:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t9KM5g0q022999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 17:05:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Post install FWIW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <56265636.4050208@hiwaay.net> <562685CE.5050309@sneakertech.com> From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <5626BAB6.4070304@hiwaay.net> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 17:11:12 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <562685CE.5050309@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:05:50 -0000 On 10/20/15 13:26, Quartz wrote: >> When I dd'ed /dev/zero to (re-) initialize the individual >> drives during install, I saw 125-ish MB/s per drive, so this is 90-ish % >> efficient for this write. > > Do remember that using dd to estimate disk speeds is tricky since its > write pattern is somewhat non-standard. You should try a more 'real > world' test like rsyncing a bunch of random crap with differing sizes. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *Agreed*, that's why I called it 'light benchmarking'. I will be alert to more data as time goes on, but this looked so promising I decided to spread the love, so to speak .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 20 23:22:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E17AA1552C for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 23:22:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22c.google.com (mail-io0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0C44892 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 23:22:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: by ioll68 with SMTP id l68so39882332iol.3 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:22:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=IjjqkdrXfEoDsjiYnmiBkz7iizdQ7kAcb/ewVZlkGIk=; b=isineaCq3XtQaNckPklAbtAuqCrFQtDcAJ9gB/joSViN9n1JfMyxoLGVDtl06ATQ8X YGFc6TUba2WoP1aUoMSm9FJyfYWG8aQgakGqskOQktj15WYJBoYWmZzLBQPrUkfsTkgr OC/0uJpRi2y/gpeOkq3URpEaNB8qFPg8C8mX8/5+Z7jqoJUWqFeERcPAkw8wQusAHDXW SmD6VsGtPKGCNNhOw6O0JjhIcHc5iGvvT13NJoOI2Vm9lmbZG3gm9Aso8Q7i5rI8h1VQ Qz4ZpF0oDjtMaC2Ah3C8bttqpBBdIphiUkshW9SBUQdCdTi4cRFURsc3X9/dKOP3R7LN miqg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.3.72 with SMTP id 69mr6861793iod.75.1445383320161; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.46.66 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:22:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5622D8C1.6050107@vagner.com> References: <11660930.NCbaWZNhqK@amd.asgard.uk> <5622D8C1.6050107@vagner.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:22:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: help with natd on pi From: Adrian Chadd To: laszlo vagner Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 23:22:01 -0000 Hi, What's your config? I have rpi hardware, I can set it up and test it. Thanks! -a On 17 October 2015 at 16:24, laszlo vagner wrote: > i asked on the arm list got only 1 reply and he had same issue, so i ask > here. > > running -current on rasberry pi but for the life of me i cannot get natd to > accept a packet without crashing. > > i can start natd and it will stay running as long as i dont add the divert > rule > to ipfw, as soon as i do natd core dumps with signal 10. > > anyone know what to check for i am out of ideas. > > thanks > george > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 00:33:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807C4A1A8ED for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:33:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-f176.google.com (mail-ig0-f176.google.com [209.85.213.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57A06C72 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:33:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by igbkq10 with SMTP id kq10so87545065igb.0 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 17:33:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=464nt15bH9+paYHL9whDu/DoYBnZt9V6/eACfKgcX7A=; b=ZX1ril82FdwgEPZxpH8NIC9A6AnBs00E4vO7/xOoEN1Y82Mm5yW6m49Iwxg2i2c/vU Rqe5cojdlN+YqGT0cYfOwvp9Q6JVTEr4Gdp3Fl1bFkT/OMW6hw3SHiz+YSnmhg5qPl7x CmENgdZj7eXQStS4siix29raXEVYtd9FzTg6YyPImkoBlNMEVtmcrkMtiIFisUBs+2f9 0JxyvlyTytMT4GsZ4Gm7Qi75qz0nBhlfkiObJ/jGaoThkVZAvByHNDgwm+sTZp9dbMWM bM4CzQI7ZruQgyS0AlxFKPqPvLXkRdoUKfxjkcDiI/yVvXVlLqYBTSWjwqt4teX6nZBg bBaA== X-Received: by 10.50.20.135 with SMTP id n7mr7774381ige.4.1445387595922; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 17:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (63-231-132-20.mpls.qwest.net. [63.231.132.20]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pi6sm10965287igb.21.2015.10.20.17.33.14 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Oct 2015 17:33:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:33:13 -0500 Message-ID: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:33:17 -0000 I've recently created several new UFS partitions on an SSD. I activated gjournal on the largest--about 200Gb in size--and afterward received a warning during boot-up: WARNING: /usr/home: TRIM flag on fs but disk does not confirm that it supports TRIM The disk does indeed support TRIM, and `camcontrol identify` can detect as much, but it seems gjrounal interferes with this detection. But does it actually interfere with TRIM in any way? More importantly, does it endanger the data on the filesystem at all? The real issue, I suppose, is that there are four possible formatting options: 1. UFS with TRIM, but without journaling. Disk performance is maintained, but data is unprotected in the event of a crash. 2. UFS with journaling, but without TRIM. Data is likely protected should a crash occur, but the filesystems need to be periodically recreated with `newfs -E`to restore performance. 4. UFS with both journaling and TRIM. Ideal, so long as one doesn't interfere with the other. 3. UFS with neither journaling or TRIM. Not an option. I guess I'm just curious which of the first three I should go for. Daily backups are part of my routine in any case. Thanks in advance for any advice or clarification. -- ================================================================== :: Brandon Wandersee :: :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: ================================================================== 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.' - Douglas Adams ================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 03:45:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D11A19BBB for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 03:45:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from filter04.peak.org (filter04.peak.org [69.59.194.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64AAF877 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 03:45:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([207.55.16.112]) by filter04.peak.org ({b5578ef9-c87c-4111-97f7-092309db775d}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPS id 20151021034144123_0000 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 20:41:44 -0700 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51486585FC for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 20:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FAF617C6 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 20:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmail-mta02.peak.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id I19iDzOFVsYx for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 20:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailproxy-lb-05.peak.org (mailproxy-lb-05.peak.org [207.55.17.95]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072F6585FC for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 20:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlj by elk.localnet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZokHG-0007W0-Et for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 20:41:26 -0700 From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: USB wireless adapter for hostapd? Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 20:41:26 -0700 Message-ID: <87a8rcnb15.fsf@elk.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DLP-ENABLED: 207.55.16/22 X-MAG-OUTBOUND: peakinternet.redcondor.net@207.55.16/22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 03:45:11 -0000 I am trying to set up a Raspberry Pi as an access point, but FreeBSD doesn't support hostap mode on the adapters (urtwn) that I have. Does anybody have any suggestions on where I could buy an adapter that FreeBSD does support hostap mode? Looking at the man pages seems to indicate that very few are supported for anything other than normal station mode. Thanks for any information. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 04:31:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF671A1A932 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mx1.eichornenterprises.com (mx1.eichornenterprises.com [104.236.13.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.eichornenterprises.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64315E97 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:31:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mail.eichornenterprises.com (cpe-75-179-47-202.neo.res.rr.com [75.179.47.202]) by mx1.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b8e3887a; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 39339b3b; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1445402022.15630.10.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Subject: Re: USB wireless adapter for hostapd? From: "Michael B. Eichorn" To: Carl Johnson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:33:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87a8rcnb15.fsf@elk.localnet> References: <87a8rcnb15.fsf@elk.localnet> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-512"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-99wp9duGdn7V7Pz7OMkA" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:31:18 -0000 --=-99wp9duGdn7V7Pz7OMkA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2015-10-20 at 20:41 -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: > I am trying to set up a Raspberry Pi as an access point, but FreeBSD > doesn't support hostap mode on the adapters (urtwn) that I have. Does > anybody have any suggestions on where I could buy an adapter that > FreeBSD does support hostap mode? Looking at the man pages seems to > indicate that very few are supported for anything other than normal > station mode. >=20 > Thanks for any information. Perhaps run(4)? Never used it myself as I prefer PCIe bus networking but it mentions hostAP. 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[178.79.139.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id nf15sm5830152wic.22.2015.10.20.23.27.16 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Oct 2015 23:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Malcolm Matalka To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB wireless adapter for hostapd? References: <87a8rcnb15.fsf@elk.localnet> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 06:27:15 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87a8rcnb15.fsf@elk.localnet> (Carl Johnson's message of "Tue, 20 Oct 2015 20:41:26 -0700") Message-ID: <86r3kolosc.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 06:27:21 -0000 Carl Johnson writes: > I am trying to set up a Raspberry Pi as an access point, but FreeBSD > doesn't support hostap mode on the adapters (urtwn) that I have. Does > anybody have any suggestions on where I could buy an adapter that > FreeBSD does support hostap mode? Looking at the man pages seems to > indicate that very few are supported for anything other than normal > station mode. > > Thanks for any information. I've had success with this: http://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/accessories/wifi-dongles/wifi-dongle-nano-usb/?search=wifi Basically, you need to find things with specific chipsets that support hostedap. Ralink 5370 is one of them. However, I've had trouble getting more than 80KB/s out (although I can max out the in at ~1MB/s) of this on my RPi1. I'm not sure where the problem is because I just don't know enough about it, perhaps someone else knows how to debug/tune it. 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From: "Bradley T. Hughes" In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:35:58 +0200 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Romu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 07:32:59 -0000 > On 19 Oct 2015, at 14:54, Romu wrote: [snip] > Fetching metadata signature for 10.2-STABLE from update.FreeBSD.org... [snip] freebsd-update can only be used to update a -RELEASE. There are ways of = converting -STABLE to -RELEASE, if that is what you want to do, just = need to apply search-engine-fu. -- Bradley T. Hughes bradleythughes@fastmail.fm From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 09:36:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7A2A1BC29 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alnis.m@mail.com) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20A01D2B for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alnis.m@mail.com) Received: from [192.168.2.192] ([78.84.244.14]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmxus002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MBFQZ-1Zegwu48Cz-00ABOL for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:36:26 +0200 Message-ID: <56275C96.9090608@mail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 12:36:22 +0300 From: Alnis Morics User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't print to HP LJ 1020 using foo2zjs and CUPS References: <56181D6F.6010200@mail.com> <5618E152.7060301@bananmonarki.se> <561A1064.9030009@mail.com> In-Reply-To: <561A1064.9030009@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:DkP2oQrgDX7tGV94hqz6slLHiCcKY9jwKmRsF6ozp7HQUC8UNOt yhrm23yGrXF2SsrFGvJs7vj2oTOgyImsKFl5tZ9mRiExePR/FR/1uOj9zLE5NQ03khF9Zs6 qdmmtqS6X49MvyDftjF1PPo2ZpPeQyDSofzGZ04vjjot3w2941wNlEpCeF6if5qU+DuHoBb 3+SHy1obJ45jdvl56dplQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:olIqhsnbCu0=:r2NKWC8IOUgJe34ZQQvQYj IoIDXNJ21skWhhJiwjImPNb57JpiGeQigzEMziCTjuz8pLHLxH/jXh52LgMQHER9kGoYwZXuo WPqGSlmjgO8ElKyBg9Xu26yad2HnDzTuMeDSYGAqBqP945IOUV/Z6P4hqiuAX20SF+KuQUDBa DyGJg0vAZ0v5f95yJoEtrkdZ1EoHfwEt/4lJ2ftofAQn9/9eJK1mIvF4t/9GGO0vZDnxYlt0f OYmW0s4zQ6moEJlcsxyeQjIVntil57qT9q+XpIAPbr5eJB795GEr+NE4c3ACDzCwaYqVxkwpN 0HigrrMQKWo6JVb+gVCEaUN97Y8IZnnX7LcYOccOcY9fYy8MXcF++F3rpXw69WrrmsKOWPYaV f8htHjKSlGkcjObXNPi1pj/ry31myKpQoP5XSded0OdI35igeF5ydOPr2guvxgP6glafc/7P1 ky2E78SsMByd56H/sjmGctarrkKMz3f8SeUcO/LY8jYfzqao8D09u4v3wEZNVJVqIa7QLoZ7d vWML/rKNhCWEgze2cZkHeq8PpoCLSb0/1d0R2t7q/mnkYvRM6oTsW0RmGVST7v6oYehOOlQdi vVf15WTeB3jEqFxr1iL1ZnFg45qUHliW1RknKzrFYGwiQliTWwOPtcSetbDEPzkDaHcqmHTwT tn1EgwowDA59Hdx5GAUOLfyv9CFbUZqJqm/lQeRWouv0gi4VhH8OVVgMi8Rbye669VDggLhtq 0OV4XX1aJsjZC+dGAUx0iF4hX/19dQ859yfiYdfp8JVJinFes+mJd0DrwL7VNmJJB52WxiAX3 Zd0zqCn X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:36:33 -0000 On 10/11/2015 10:31 AM, Alnis Morics wrote: > > > On 10/10/2015 12:58, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> On 2015-10-09 22:02, Alnis Morics wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm trying to set up HP LaserJet 1020 on 10.2-RELEASE with CUPS and >>> foo2zjs. That worked on previous versions of FreeBSD, although there >>> were changes with devices to use (I gues it was ulpt to ugen and >>> back to >>> ulpt in 10.0). >>> >>> But now none of them works for me. >>> If I use ulpt, the moment I plug in the printer or turn it on: >>> >>> ugen3.2: at usbus3 (disconnected) >>> ugen3.2: at usbus3 >>> ugen3.2: at usbus3 (disconnected) >>> ugen3.2: at usbus3 >>> ulpt0: >> addr >>> 2> on usbus3 >>> ulpt0: using bi-directional mode >>> ulpt0: offline >>> >>> CUPS doesn't find this printer. I can still add it manually but when I >>> try to print, nothing happens, and there are no error messages. I found >>> out that it is exactly after the firmware is downloaded that ulpt0 >>> turns >>> offline (should it?). >>> >>> If I use ugen (rebuilt CUPS with LIBUSB, moved away >>> /boot/kernel/ulpt.ko), then CUPS detects the printer but no firmware >>> gets downloaded, and, of course, I can't print. When I try to send the >>> firmware manually >>> >>> cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1020.dl > /dev/ugen3.2 (or >>> /dev/usb/3.2.0) >>> >>> the result is an input/output error. >>> >>> Any ideas of what might be wrong or how it should work now? >>> >>> >>> Permissions in /etc/devfs.rules: >>> # Begin printers_foo2zjs (added by foo2zjs/freebsd-install) >>> [printers_foo2zjs=42] >>> add path 'ulpt*' mode 0660 group cups >>> add path 'unlpt*' mode 0660 group cups >>> add path 'ugen*' mode 0660 group cups >>> add path 'usb/*' mode 0770 group cups >>> # End printers_foo2zjs (added by foo2zjs/freebsd-install) >> >> Try unlpt instead of ulpt. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Thank you, Bernt. unlpt results in the same as ulpt: it is possible to > send the firmware but nothing happens when I try to print to unlpt. > > Ok, I rebuilt the kernel without ulpt.ko, as Klaus suggested but the results are the same: From dmesg: [..] ugen4.3: Then # cat sihp1020.dl > /dev/ugen4.3 cat: stdout: Input/output error If I use arm2hpdl /usr/local/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1020.img > /dev/ugen4.3 then no error message is rendered but the printer doesn't reinitialize anyway. The same if I use /dev/usb/4.3.0 instead of /dev/usb4.3. Nothing is connected to any other usb ports at the moment. So, after sending the firmware to ulpt (if it is built), ulpt turns offline, and sending the firmware to ugen results on input/output error. I tried this on two machines with the same printer. The printer, however works ok on Debian with foo2zjs and with exactly the same firmware (checked with md5). FreeBSD version is 10.2-RELEASE-p5 What could be done about this? -Alnis From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 10:48:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95595A1AA90 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22a.google.com (mail-wi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CEE614EB for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by wicfv8 with SMTP id fv8so68696282wic.0 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 03:48:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dUjGqGWENfMrrCrxRvfzFbXwyLu4iT292MLbV+Almm4=; b=TgqazNYotgGsMMVczAaLBWsBxCbDMnmqSbTB8VqwzvUEXaaQbDHoyUqu/hqCWasRe7 xen/GwPpSpE5qLdoGKytlFKhHzJK8NTdP/P+uFK4QzD/l3Mo22JeDydfydm3/5k+QABz dd18YbpwQmPSBIz5DZU25Hd27gricqQzb3m5PtYM4mPjXTbqTp8qdV/Rlvk3bFpyRRbm nxp5vvMOYR6Us4jZ7v2Nf7VIJ+0hqC5CHuaEueIiltdJRRvNL4lnSng6HIh/tu1DsKWg HL81z1ifGcUpDYgPBGmg7QeinTS0Ai3p9xLNyUmj3L++GNDHFt49vYcbAIE37PVsUmS5 67Pw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.19.169 with SMTP id g9mr9645980wje.64.1445424518234; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 03:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.181.193 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 03:48:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:48:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? From: krad To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:48:40 -0000 I thought SU+J was the preferred method these days, not gjournal. I quite out of touch with ufs these days though. On 21 October 2015 at 01:33, Brandon J. Wandersee < brandon.wandersee@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've recently created several new UFS partitions on an SSD. I activated > gjournal on the largest--about 200Gb in size--and afterward received a > warning during boot-up: > > WARNING: /usr/home: TRIM flag on fs but disk does not confirm that > it supports TRIM > > The disk does indeed support TRIM, and `camcontrol identify` can detect > as much, but it seems gjrounal interferes with this detection. But does > it actually interfere with TRIM in any way? More importantly, does it > endanger the data on the filesystem at all? The real issue, I suppose, > is that there are four possible formatting options: > > 1. UFS with TRIM, but without journaling. Disk performance is > maintained, but data is unprotected in the event of a crash. > > 2. UFS with journaling, but without TRIM. Data is likely protected should a > crash occur, but the filesystems need to be periodically recreated with > `newfs -E`to restore performance. > > 4. UFS with both journaling and TRIM. Ideal, so long as one doesn't > interfere with the other. > > 3. UFS with neither journaling or TRIM. Not an option. > > I guess I'm just curious which of the first three I should go for. Daily > backups are part of my routine in any case. Thanks in advance for any > advice or clarification. > -- > ================================================================== > :: Brandon Wandersee :: > :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: > ================================================================== > 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something > completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete > fools.' > - Douglas Adams > ================================================================== > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 11:07:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C20BA1AFFD for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bestbestop@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x242.google.com (mail-pa0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D20B07E for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bestbestop@gmail.com) Received: by pacik9 with SMTP id ik9so5384844pac.3 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:07:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=HHA/A5+NKBZHCot896wGSl17tgV8yL9oErTNOZbmb5Q=; b=AuV0RQD6r20Nn3BvF9k3Wp7mGg6NdLWz9Hli3Yg4/gcWoabrnE3xybAUictjNC32Cq PSb+X/vl2MGdjlUZMcsFTE3FF735BOkzr6QHU4zcj2bvCmHZ+eSEgEntBo+Y0lnwao3a WSVjr+YRWzjxCMTJdTLonBkbexXwOoK4z51AMfWn9padsZwAcZd3SQL4LF0cteSqPmWI 567RLH3+Z7hXQUpBPG6r29m8D8J3F4ONjgm2CUao/G1O2sj9OQNTb0n99pDUiEO1BBFx ZwWFa4FGBSnYsoBhlpQjBWyIkDoAluxV5fjco/U0a7gWqNA6qfNTdhE0sjhBYPivR6gI kuGA== X-Received: by 10.68.242.130 with SMTP id wq2mr9875564pbc.117.1445425644553; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macPC ([43.251.95.194]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c4sm8661097pat.46.2015.10.21.04.07.22 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Cristina Ferreira" To: Subject: Increase Website Sales - Traffic Services Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:38:06 +0530 Message-ID: <078801d10b27$9b161200$d1423600$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdELJ5OnwvbkT3pNTf2DXuB/7qhQOw== Content-Language: en-us Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:07:25 -0000 Respected Sir, I am Cristina, See your website in top position, sales and Traffic in all search engine, DMS experts team will help you. *Natural traffic should be your top priority to increase the traffic as they can last for several months without banner ads or Google ad words campaign. 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Thanks & Best regards Cristina Ferreira From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 13:22:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED06A1BC22 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:22:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6862D11D1 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:22:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t9LDLvGT023881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:21:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Post install FWIW References: <56265636.4050208@hiwaay.net> <562685CE.5050309@sneakertech.com> <5626BAB6.4070304@hiwaay.net> <20151021105210.GA31309@neutralgood.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <56279175.6000006@hiwaay.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:27:27 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151021105210.GA31309@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:22:01 -0000 On 10/21/15 05:58, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 05:11:12PM -0453, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> On 10/20/15 13:26, Quartz wrote: >>>> When I dd'ed /dev/zero to (re-) initialize the individual >>>> drives during install, I saw 125-ish MB/s per drive, so this is 90-ish % >>>> efficient for this write. >>> Do remember that using dd to estimate disk speeds is tricky since its >>> write pattern is somewhat non-standard. You should try a more 'real >>> world' test like rsyncing a bunch of random crap with differing sizes. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> *Agreed*, that's why I called it 'light benchmarking'. I will be alert >> to more data as time goes on, but this looked so promising I decided to >> spread the love, so to speak .... > Does this system have the optimization turned on where writes of all > zeros get detected and turned into just a single block on disk? > > Maybe I'm thinking of a dedup option in which case you can ignore me. Very good question, I wouldn't know, I made very few changes from the wiki page during the install. How would I check on that ? TIA & have a good one. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 13:44:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BB4A1B00B for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:44:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-f171.google.com (mail-ig0-f171.google.com [209.85.213.171]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9C421C51 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:44:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by igbkq10 with SMTP id kq10so94306569igb.0 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 06:44:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=references:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; bh=JiJsE4geY7KTihDXeexvE0ZHRpT1JriyLspWFqzb8as=; b=DtYQqGfWtdIgRoRO0jXrJvMuiG9t8umZ+8t1a8uFU7f+sieN2FT7DUE5B/5kx3ZdeB kzpackX9S9CYhbuDyui3J8aZAdjGpySfWiNYXxKYFvTfopOTz4f6+yRI5HwB+aCg5ubZ 93DTzjR4lEyla3pblmQ5OjO1ybJckx+/0jOmN4J4FSQo0K3AMhD1uw0BS7e9gaWByiHW +UBzcW1Lgt1DXWfneJu5I04SEaMeqWn5UBQNKwRf8gPJ3ycjkl9/jgzozEnIGPPeb4FC X6b5XmNx2aI+MSWc0dFPwqDoDwjQ+W1E449EUiCLEglmQNA53gxnbOdwuwbOR9Lg5ePW tqyw== X-Received: by 10.50.60.37 with SMTP id e5mr18230161igr.46.1445435058917; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 06:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (63-231-132-20.mpls.qwest.net. [63.231.132.20]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id mh8sm3660725igb.3.2015.10.21.06.44.17 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 21 Oct 2015 06:44:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: krad Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:44:25 -0000 krad writes: > I thought SU+J was the preferred method these days, not gjournal. I quite > out of touch with ufs these days though. > I thought the opposite, myself. `gjournal` has its own section in the Handbook, while SU+J isn't even mentioned. I also thought there was something fundamentally different about them--like SU+J simply maintains filesystem integrity, while gjournal actually protects files from the write hole as well as protecting the filesystem. I could be wrong. -- ================================================================= :: Brandon Wandersee :: :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: ================================================================== 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.' - Douglas Adams ================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 14:15:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7EAA1B72B for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:15:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x236.google.com (mail-wi0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDF74F6D for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:15:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by wicll6 with SMTP id ll6so93173596wic.0 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 07:15:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5USv6YHzt3WfAwJvK5FuJassnGTt5N7s+Phdcj6O7WY=; b=cCw43ZnH1oFHY7ZmODltv1cvFh6pEL04TlqqNq9yAFEEdAIDjEc60Y++ExqMHg7A2g HGLUZufBgTpFhezMEFC+ZY4+elljfhaRG5SIef+NKHsnGh/FGOWvY85E3v+yp78wHGup QrzDKOZWBM6zRfE8Tk3jw5MpQ5n3Y+UP+srXjab8D9lAcwsRivFSRNHgvB0SjzgrMMvY ujN6PREXaO/UUC2if1UhXp3TqhiXxT50KYZvu4onIY+DGdKWVHUv4uxGptv++/bSpzMX 2WfMa6thzCLUj7GYnWrwYiOuG+1iSINYXWFfduvsEzjbX9OgycWemotJTnJ6rigk4bj7 UvZg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.181.13.11 with SMTP id eu11mr4552621wid.10.1445436933129; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 07:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.16.231 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 07:15:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:15:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? From: Adam Vande More To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" Cc: krad , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:15:35 -0000 On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Brandon J. Wandersee < brandon.wandersee@gmail.com> wrote: > I thought the opposite, myself. `gjournal` has its own section in the > Handbook, while SU+J isn't even mentioned. Unfortunately, this is not a safe assumption. The handbook is maintained by volunteers. The volunteers generally do a pretty good job, but are a few negatives of this approach. They aren't generally interested in updating old documentation which doesn't directly apply to them. The provided documentation is how they think it should be done: right, wrong or somewhere in-between. A lot of things don't get the attention they deserve like SU+J, GELI over GBDE, and in-kernel NAT w/ FreeBSD single native firewall ipfw. > I also thought there was > something fundamentally different about them--like SU+J simply maintains > filesystem integrity, while gjournal actually protects files from the > write hole as well as protecting the filesystem. I could be wrong. > There is a fundamental difference between them. Don't you think you should investigate the differences prior to deciding what to use? It's not at clear what your goal is here. Do you want to minimize writes to the ssd or do you want to ensure the fs is always consistent from both a meta-data and data perspective. These options are mutually exclusive in the parameters you've laid out. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 14:30:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100A9A1BCA1 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:30:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C614C32F for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:30:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t9LEUgSr099718 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:30:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t9LEUgme099715; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:30:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:30:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" cc: krad , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? In-Reply-To: <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Message-ID: References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:30:42 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:30:50 -0000 On Wed, 21 Oct 2015, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > > krad writes: > >> I thought SU+J was the preferred method these days, not gjournal. I quite >> out of touch with ufs these days though. >> > > I thought the opposite, myself. `gjournal` has its own section in the > Handbook, while SU+J isn't even mentioned. I also thought there was > something fundamentally different about them--like SU+J simply maintains > filesystem integrity, while gjournal actually protects files from the > write hole as well as protecting the filesystem. I could be wrong. This is correct. SUJ is only concerned with filesystem integrity. But if you are considering gjournal, why not go the whole way and just use ZFS? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 14:36:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12B5A1BE38 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:36:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from relaygateway02.edpnet.net (relaygateway02.edpnet.net [212.71.1.211]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.edpnet.net", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6C5B886 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:36:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnAGAKihJ1ZNbXNd/2dsb2JhbABdgzZUb79rFwqFM0oCgUNNAQEBAQEBgQuELgEBBAEBASArCBgLEAsYCRMOAgIPBQ0GAQkIJAgHBAEcBId6AxYJsFWOGQ1HhDcBAQEHAQEBARYJhneEfoJQgWsBAVAHgmmBRQWFRpBehRmFHDFDgW4IgViSfYNdg29jghEdgVc8NAeEIIFAAQEB X-IPAS-Result: AnAGAKihJ1ZNbXNd/2dsb2JhbABdgzZUb79rFwqFM0oCgUNNAQEBAQEBgQuELgEBBAEBASArCBgLEAsYCRMOAgIPBQ0GAQkIJAgHBAEcBId6AxYJsFWOGQ1HhDcBAQEHAQEBARYJhneEfoJQgWsBAVAHgmmBRQWFRpBehRmFHDFDgW4IgViSfYNdg29jghEdgVc8NAeEIIFAAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,712,1437429600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="344620081" Received: from 77.109.115.93.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net (HELO mordor.lan) ([77.109.115.93]) by relaygateway02.edpnet.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 21 Oct 2015 16:35:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:35:25 +0200 From: Julien Cigar To: Adam Vande More Cc: "Brandon J. Wandersee" , FreeBSD Questions , krad Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? Message-ID: <20151021143525.GX87605@mordor.lan> References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="w8QetmdSDwT395M8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:36:42 -0000 --w8QetmdSDwT395M8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 09:15:33AM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Brandon J. Wandersee < > brandon.wandersee@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 > > I thought the opposite, myself. `gjournal` has its own section in the > > Handbook, while SU+J isn't even mentioned. >=20 >=20 > Unfortunately, this is not a safe assumption. The handbook is maintained > by volunteers. The volunteers generally do a pretty good job, but are a > few negatives of this approach. They aren't generally interested in > updating old documentation which doesn't directly apply to them. The > provided documentation is how they think it should be done: right, wrong = or > somewhere in-between. >=20 > A lot of things don't get the attention they deserve like SU+J, GELI over > GBDE, and in-kernel NAT w/ FreeBSD single native firewall ipfw. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > I also thought there was > > something fundamentally different about them--like SU+J simply maintains > > filesystem integrity, while gjournal actually protects files from the > > write hole as well as protecting the filesystem. I could be wrong. > > >=20 > There is a fundamental difference between them. Don't you think you shou= ld > investigate the differences prior to deciding what to use? >=20 > It's not at clear what your goal is here. Do you want to minimize writes > to the ssd or do you want to ensure the fs is always consistent from both= a > meta-data and data perspective. These options are mutually exclusive in > the parameters you've laid out. to resume: SU =3D metadata consistency SU+J =3D journaled metadata consistency=20 gjournal =3D metadata + data consistency (block based) Correct me if I'm wrong but, unless there is a bug in Soft Updates (SU), your FS will, in theory, never be corrupted with SU only =2E=20 The main advantage of SU+J over SU is to avoid a fsck at boot if the FS=20 is not clean. Note that SU+J almost never worked for me and disabling SU+J (tunefs -j disable) is the first thing I do after an installation. >=20 > --=20 > Adam > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. --w8QetmdSDwT395M8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAABCgAGBQJWJ6KpAAoJEAi2KiTKQR5pOTwP/0P1K8zOaNXrXbAIS6UGGmz8 6mpUoYTOmCZqnGsElEatzHnpUBppIcUlqtV9h4nyeKnjLq4K391kg1dRs2nHEOoH GEQwnoerRBNWjn/Uj4TlaRA80s76RoVBn8UAgggdFx85VnL7ODXWYy42ma74Qt/Y RtxIWxSbXp4spKbGOQVSqMwUYi6q3GwNzuI3vobJHRdFOw++HkWl1oCh0Z2fs1ND VcTCp6cdK4uEPhX5J+WFSm+B98IHp29CznWh7PH7R7plHW3pTf7rBejxS1Fezz1c gWOj+wVf1LsFtOkETxDp/Yp9chTsXsCdW3yyVIxBKI8USpU9YIlHBawKJu/Hv58k dyEwyNGEuZ2ckYyyCBfAWB1oEuH1gSq7sPkmuvO9tpGo1ZxKTHzMQFItUsBr4ki1 LRnWc995sfwnpHc23HytDfhbEvJGhN/mZlg6ks/rhsftsOKaWJfBx31t0dju+CaK cX7Wbc4mway/xbaSYvkotJ3SldBLiHGotimmFdWsg5w3erC/89VjqoS/19w95Tg9 sxg92tlnrz2gGh594CvqAmbzaAzNWP/oJuAgY7TOff1FQbHrsyqNXNTetdEMJHi9 PfpZaa+GkunPSziRCGUl8m6ra1SbiLnBkTt111zJiJqFOjL0VfHWTZ7xh/rM1hB0 tgwdX7I3aiNQWh2/JNPn =Fy/C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --w8QetmdSDwT395M8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 15:20:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED76EA1BA4D for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@xtaz.co.uk) Received: from mail.xtaz.uk (tao.xtaz.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:202::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B48C43B1 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@xtaz.co.uk) Received: by mail.xtaz.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2707920AEEC2; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:20:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:20:15 +0100 From: Matt Smith To: Julien Cigar Cc: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20151021152015.GF90075@xtaz.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Matt Smith , Julien Cigar , FreeBSD Questions References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151021143525.GX87605@mordor.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20151021143525.GX87605@mordor.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:20:20 -0000 On Oct 21 16:35, Julien Cigar wrote: >The main advantage of SU+J over SU is to avoid a fsck at boot if the FS >is not clean. Note that SU+J almost never worked for me and disabling >SU+J (tunefs -j disable) is the first thing I do after an installation. Agreed. I don't understand why this mode has been made the default. SU always works fine for me but SU+J always causes corrupted filesystems which it never bothers to fix either in the background or the foreground. I have to disable the journal and manually fsck it to get a clean filesystem once again. Seems completely flawed. -- Matt From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 15:52:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABAFA1B406 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:52:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from filter01.peakinternet.com (filter01.peakinternet.com [207.55.16.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 448BE195 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:52:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([207.55.16.112]) by filter01.peakinternet.com ({e1c81c21-e4c4-4528-aa90-7a27869c545a}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPS id 20151021154859884_0000 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:48:59 -0700 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B785A4D146 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBB75580E for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmail-mta02.peak.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id c6NEfLoOK3GF for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailproxy-lb-06.peak.org (mailproxy-lb-06.peak.org [207.55.17.96]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2CC4D146 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlj by elk.localnet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZovdJ-00009x-Fe for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:48:57 -0700 From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB wireless adapter for hostapd? References: <87a8rcnb15.fsf@elk.localnet> <1445402022.15630.10.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:48:57 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1445402022.15630.10.camel@michaeleichorn.com> (Michael B. Eichorn's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:33:42 -0400") Message-ID: <871tcomdcm.fsf@elk.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DLP-ENABLED: 207.55.16/22 X-MAG-OUTBOUND: peakinternet.redcondor.net@207.55.16/22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:52:39 -0000 "Michael B. Eichorn" writes: > On Tue, 2015-10-20 at 20:41 -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: >> I am trying to set up a Raspberry Pi as an access point, but FreeBSD >> doesn't support hostap mode on the adapters (urtwn) that I have. Does >> anybody have any suggestions on where I could buy an adapter that >> FreeBSD does support hostap mode? Looking at the man pages seems to >> indicate that very few are supported for anything other than normal >> station mode. >> >> Thanks for any information. > > Perhaps run(4)? Never used it myself as I prefer PCIe bus networking but > it mentions hostAP. Thanks, I had already seen run(4) but the problem is knowing which adapters contain that chipset and where I could buy one. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 15:58:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563B6A1B595 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:58:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from filter04.peak.org (filter04.peak.org [69.59.194.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 250AB69D for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([207.55.16.112]) by filter04.peak.org ({b5578ef9-c87c-4111-97f7-092309db775d}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPS id 20151021155848406_0000 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:58:48 -0700 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBE28585FC for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B201160D1C for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmail-mta02.peak.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id IjksBlZTUNM4 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailproxy-lb-06.peak.org (mailproxy-lb-06.peak.org [207.55.17.96]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE0F5795E for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlj by elk.localnet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zovmj-0000C8-HI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:58:41 -0700 From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB wireless adapter for hostapd? References: <87a8rcnb15.fsf@elk.localnet> <86r3kolosc.fsf@gmail.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:58:41 -0700 In-Reply-To: <86r3kolosc.fsf@gmail.com> (Malcolm Matalka's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2015 06:27:15 +0000") Message-ID: <87wpugkyby.fsf@elk.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DLP-ENABLED: 207.55.16/22 X-MAG-OUTBOUND: peakinternet.redcondor.net@207.55.16/22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:58:51 -0000 Malcolm Matalka writes: > Carl Johnson writes: > >> I am trying to set up a Raspberry Pi as an access point, but FreeBSD >> doesn't support hostap mode on the adapters (urtwn) that I have. Does >> anybody have any suggestions on where I could buy an adapter that >> FreeBSD does support hostap mode? Looking at the man pages seems to >> indicate that very few are supported for anything other than normal >> station mode. >> >> Thanks for any information. > > > I've had success with this: > > http://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/accessories/wifi-dongles/wifi-dongle-nano-usb/?search=wifi That looks good, but I would prefer to find a US supplier so that I don't have to place an international order. > Basically, you need to find things with specific chipsets that support > hostedap. Ralink 5370 is one of them. The problem is that most adapters don't say what chipset is in them. > However, I've had trouble getting more than 80KB/s out (although I can > max out the in at ~1MB/s) of this on my RPi1. I'm not sure where the > problem is because I just don't know enough about it, perhaps someone > else knows how to debug/tune it. Sorry, but I can't help with that. Thanks for your information. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 16:12:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B5AA1BA80 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mx1.eichornenterprises.com (mx1.eichornenterprises.com [104.236.13.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.eichornenterprises.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 438DFEED for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mail.eichornenterprises.com (cpe-75-179-47-202.neo.res.rr.com [75.179.47.202]) by mx1.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 4445303e; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 12:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 80b25987; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 12:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1445444127.15630.27.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Subject: Re: USB wireless adapter for hostapd? From: "Michael B. Eichorn" To: Carl Johnson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 12:15:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871tcomdcm.fsf@elk.localnet> References: <87a8rcnb15.fsf@elk.localnet> <1445402022.15630.10.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <871tcomdcm.fsf@elk.localnet> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-512"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-PeisMU6cQdtC27rv4JPU" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:12:58 -0000 --=-PeisMU6cQdtC27rv4JPU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2015-10-21 at 08:48 -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: > "Michael B. Eichorn" writes: >=20 > > On Tue, 2015-10-20 at 20:41 -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: > > > I am trying to set up a Raspberry Pi as an access point, but > > > FreeBSD > > > doesn't support hostap mode on the adapters (urtwn) that I have.=20 > > > Does > > > anybody have any suggestions on where I could buy an adapter that > > > FreeBSD does support hostap mode? Looking at the man pages seems > > > to > > > indicate that very few are supported for anything other than normal > > > station mode. > > >=20 > > > Thanks for any information. > >=20 > > Perhaps run(4)? Never used it myself as I prefer PCIe bus networking > > but > > it mentions hostAP. >=20 > Thanks, I had already seen run(4) but the problem is knowing which > adapters contain that chipset and where I could buy one. Erm. run(4) mentions several wireless adapters. 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[63.231.132.20]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j38sm4049177ioo.1.2015.10.21.09.55.13 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:55:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Adam Vande More Cc: krad , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:55:13 -0500 Message-ID: <86oafs17ri.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:55:22 -0000 Adam Vande More writes: > There is a fundamental difference between them. Don't you think you should > investigate the differences prior to deciding what to use? I did. What I found was that apparently more people dislike SUJ than like it, SUJ is virtually undocumented, and it is not intended to protect data on a filesystem but merely shorten boot times after a crash.The most recent information on gjournal outside the man page are the Handbook and a years-old article that makes no mention of SSDs.[1] Since I've seen nothing but complaints about SUJ, and SUJ isn't well-documented, and SUJ apparently isn't intended to do what I'd like journaling to do, and gjournal *is* reasonably well-documented and does what I want, I went with gjournal. > It's not at clear what your goal is here. Do you want to minimize writes > to the ssd or do you want to ensure the fs is always consistent from both a > meta-data and data perspective. These options are mutually exclusive in > the parameters you've laid out. My goal is to format a disk partition and stick data on it. If possible, I'd like to protect that data with something more than just backups. Journaling is the way that's done. The one thing that is *not* documented is whether gjournal will play nice with TRIM (which has absolutely nothing to do with minimizing writes--a practice that's outdated at this point). I've no idea whether TRIM and filesystem journaling via gjournal are mutually exclusive; that's what I'm here to find out. There's no documentation on the matter. The four scenarios I laid out are simply the four possible combinations of TRIM and journaling (use either, use neither, use both). I simply got a warning message and want to know if that warning message carries any weight. I want to know if using journaling with UFS on a TRIM-enabled filesystem is potentially dangerous (as the warning implies), or if the inability of the system to detect TRIM when gjournal is enabled means that gjournal actually interferes with the TRIM operation. If the combination of TRIM and gjournal--a combination intended to preserve both data integrity and disk performance--can actually cause more potential harm than good, then protecting data would entail disabling TRIM while gjournal is enabled. On the other hand, if TRIM is disabled then that means that performance on the disk will gradually degrade, meaning that, journaling or no journaling, I'll need to periodically wipe the filesystem and restore a backup in order to restore performance. In short, if gjournal interferes with TRIM in any way, or if TRIM becomes potentially dangerous when used in conjunction with gjournal, it's a no-win scenario. The ultimate result is effectively the same: remake the filesystem and restore the data. I get the feeling that I'm the first person to ever bring this up. There are no current or previous bug reports on the matter. If a bug report is warranted, I'll file one. [1]: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/gjournal-desktop/index.html -- ================================================================= :: Brandon Wandersee :: :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: ================================================================== 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.' - Douglas Adams ================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 18:08:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FCEA1A2AF for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:08:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22c.google.com (mail-wi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25455D48 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:08:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by wicfv8 with SMTP id fv8so87195285wic.0 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:08:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fSQmbH3+zlGjA6qoWhI/54Jcse5tCAKWnqqCht8wnus=; b=k2zACiwTAz5dKXS1ciP7vfJTZ65DTM0e5fyXUObQP9YZGRgEt4qOdoL7EKKIBE3REx eHQQnZbMhHuCq3suH2Spv1JdnNI5PmXG6YhiqnxLW8YZ934g56vvuzLZ4xWEYRYOT0G8 uWPtOr6kiIYu5AuqNN5IW9o8r+DRV1dI8wKHRm22UDD1rvc4/f2JkvDBj48SSj7SynMh nKbLfETc5ACQMrgFt95+3AygHB7hFaYemybCf3XGPe/PqIwClN07H67WX5bebmIAXoOs lpLaIu/O837p/QKI3xmpcDrirtzF0H1Zj53nxHm5hY9X2uCXvaWBXew8PFZgH0HZ7GMP fAgQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.143.43 with SMTP id sb11mr13695955wjb.120.1445450923718; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.16.231 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:08:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86oafs17ri.fsf@WorkBox.Home> References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86oafs17ri.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:08:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? From: Adam Vande More To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" Cc: krad , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:08:46 -0000 On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Brandon J. Wandersee < brandon.wandersee@gmail.com> wrote: > > Adam Vande More writes: > > > There is a fundamental difference between them. Don't you think you > should > > investigate the differences prior to deciding what to use? > > I did. Well not all that deeply apparently. > What I found was that apparently more people dislike SUJ than > like it, Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence all at. Many people used to say the same about SU etc. AFAICT that type of complaining falls into the same type as the hald whiners who will blame whatever they can on it and offer no real evidence why it is at fault. There were problems when it was introduced. Those have been fixed AFAIK other than snapshotting which is disabled. SU+J works great for many people and I leave it on for every new UFS based install. > SUJ is virtually undocumented, It's quite well documented. > and it is not intended to > protect data on a filesystem Of course not, that's what SU is for. Reading your responses lead me to question if you know what SU is. > but merely shorten boot times after a > crash. No, that's not what it's for although it's probably the final symptom many users wanted resolved. Faster boot times are simply an artifact of what SU+J does by skipping the need for a fsck background or otherwise. > The most recent information on gjournal outside the man page are > the Handbook and a years-old article that makes no mention of SSDs.[1] > gjournal came about during a time when HD drives were growing rapidly and fsck'ing a huge FS was becoming a problem. It was not designed for SSD's and its design makes it not a great choice for them. Actually an SSD as just a journal provider would make logical sense. > > Since I've seen nothing but complaints about SUJ, So you've said. Again, and again. And oh yes, don't forget to mention the lack of documentation as least twice more. and SUJ isn't > well-documented, > I don't know what that means, between the white papers, source code, presentations and man pages it seems documented quite well to me. > and SUJ apparently isn't intended to do what I'd like > journaling to do, and gjournal *is* reasonably well-documented and does > what I want, I went with gjournal. > > > It's not at clear what your goal is here. Do you want to minimize writes > > to the ssd or do you want to ensure the fs is always consistent from > both a > > meta-data and data perspective. These options are mutually exclusive in > > the parameters you've laid out. > > My goal is to format a disk partition and stick data on it. If possible, > I'd like to protect that data with something more than just > backups. Journaling is the way that's done. Journaling is one way it's done. <- FTFY SU is another, COW like ZFS is another. What do you mean by "protecting data"? That is only an artifact of what journaling does as well as preserving write ordering. I have no idea what you meant by the earlier reference "write holes". When referring to "write holes" one is generally talking about RAID and specifically RAID 5. So I still don't understand your goal here. You certainly haven't stated anything the standard UFS SU alone wouldn't cover. > (which has > absolutely nothing to do with minimizing writes--a practice that's > outdated at this point). Well I think we can all agree that's BS. It's the the fundamental point of TRIM and it's the main reason performance is maintained on a TRIM enabled as you reference below. > I've no idea whether TRIM and filesystem > journaling via gjournal are mutually exclusive; I think we're all clear on that point, but I'm not sure what that is a response to. If it was my earlier statement, I suggest you reread it. that's what I'm here to > find out. We're trying to find why you're asking bizarre questions. That's all. > There's no documentation on the matter. The four scenarios I > laid out are simply the four possible combinations of TRIM and > journaling (use either, use neither, use both). > > I simply got a warning message and want to know if that warning message > carries any weight. I want to know if using journaling with UFS on a > TRIM-enabled filesystem is potentially dangerous (as the warning > implies), or if the inability of the system to detect TRIM when > gjournal is enabled means that gjournal actually interferes with the > TRIM operation. If the combination of TRIM and gjournal--a combination > intended to preserve both data integrity and disk performance--can > actually cause more potential harm than good, then protecting data would > entail disabling TRIM while gjournal is enabled. On the other hand, if > TRIM is disabled then that means that performance on the disk will > gradually degrade, meaning that, journaling or no journaling, I'll need > to periodically wipe the filesystem and restore a backup in order to > restore > performance. In short, if gjournal interferes with TRIM in any way, or > if TRIM becomes potentially dangerous when used in conjunction with > gjournal, it's a no-win scenario. The ultimate result is effectively the > same: remake the filesystem and restore the data. > > I get the feeling that I'm the first person to ever bring this up. Maybe you're the first person to think gjournal on an SSD is something desirable. Could be, I know I don't. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 18:31:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEA5A1A864 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097441A7D for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 06EDEA1A863; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06906A1A862 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp208.alice.it (smtp208.alice.it [82.57.200.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996D71A79 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:31:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (79.32.6.132) by smtp208.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 55BB68E10D6E3812 for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:26:01 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t9LIQ06s004329 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:26:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: Spontaneous reboots with splash To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:26:00 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:31:21 -0000 Hello. I've got a problem with a 10.1/i386 box which sometimes reboots spontaneously: no crash dump, no message, nothing; only a sudden reboot with nothing in the logs. I even added INVARIANTS, WITNESS, SOCKBUF_DEBUG, DEBUG_VFS_LOCKS, DEBUG_MEMGUARD and DIAGNOSTIC to my kernel conf: nothing changed. I tried putting DDB into the picture, but it won't be brough up; again a plain reboot. While doing all my tests (and kernel compilations), I was able to see a lot of reboots happening when the console's screensaver starts or a key is pressed to get back to the console. In /boot/loader.conf I've got: splash_bmp_load="YES" bitmap_load="YES" bitmap_name="/boot/splash.bmp" The above image will appear on boot and as soon as the keyboard is not used for a while. With these settings, a "make kernel" will only seldom get to the end. In fact, after putting 'blanktime="NO"' in /etc/rc.conf, I tried "make kernel" several times: no problem ever. So I thought my kernel might have something wrong and I tried GENERIC, getting the same results. Altough I've been using this setup for maybe 15 years, I'm starting to thinkg splash has something wrong!!! Has anyone else experienced this? Any hint on how to get sure data? I know I could just disable splash and easily live with it (that's in fact what I'll do for now), but I'd feel more confortable if I could get straight down to the cause. Any help appreciated. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 19:38:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EED0A1BA17 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 19:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-f170.google.com (mail-ig0-f170.google.com [209.85.213.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D53582B9 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 19:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by igbhv6 with SMTP id hv6so45443372igb.0 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 12:38:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=references:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; bh=CfT3TJSaEhnh1cYmmMdNJixh2Tvdr32tKJPxrpvpBhI=; b=Nq54v6tFSQQFZfD8Y2euUhVAXjN6qErpdJ3fUVXwEo484viXO+4lpAgNI0zLLFsdFC QYoQLCEdgpo79ePIGNzEqfLZ7PbZkEarrGQORwrG+YZcONeUaUbkjWWca2OZJ5ceGBrt ELlE4r7Fi030y0/Kj5b32AeJR8AQNzy/c2rclpYlEFpmU1VhbLjWK+H4bvsbKqnQV1iT Owf2u1sKJZXHZZi7S3kLNwx5B3sTpPYiEHK40fJqSMfkYfvwwfRsK7OXYL7QjMQj0kAg YrUYJA9UGuGiRWwNGN5tq4NIME1ryMfPc53ILT5eOU+RiYEvsiVQHa9ECHj9CcSE1mPy H6tg== X-Received: by 10.50.114.33 with SMTP id jd1mr31569270igb.48.1445456299129; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 12:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (63-231-132-20.mpls.qwest.net. [63.231.132.20]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x1sm12670880igl.14.2015.10.21.12.38.17 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 21 Oct 2015 12:38:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151021143525.GX87605@mordor.lan> From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Julien Cigar Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions , krad Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? In-reply-to: <20151021143525.GX87605@mordor.lan> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:38:16 -0500 Message-ID: <86lhaw107r.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 19:38:26 -0000 Julien Cigar writes: > Correct me if I'm wrong but, unless there is a bug in Soft Updates (SU), > your FS will, in theory, never be corrupted with SU only. If I read this right, then, would gjournal be overkill for typical desktop/laptop use? UFS2 is perhaps the only filesystems I've ever encountered in common use that doesn't have data journaling enabled by default, so that's thrown me off somewhat... -- ================================================================= :: Brandon Wandersee :: :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: ================================================================== 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.' - Douglas Adams ================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 02:59:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5899A1B72B for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 02:59:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78B221922 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 02:59:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-13-119.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.13.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3DAC276FF; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 04:52:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t9M2qsqV002104; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 04:52:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 04:52:54 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matt Smith Cc: Julien Cigar , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Message-Id: <20151022045254.57c5c8d0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20151021152015.GF90075@xtaz.uk> References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151021143525.GX87605@mordor.lan> <20151021152015.GF90075@xtaz.uk> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 02:59:52 -0000 On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:20:15 +0100, Matt Smith wrote: > On Oct 21 16:35, Julien Cigar wrote: > >The main advantage of SU+J over SU is to avoid a fsck at boot if the FS > >is not clean. Note that SU+J almost never worked for me and disabling > >SU+J (tunefs -j disable) is the first thing I do after an installation. > > Agreed. I don't understand why this mode has been made the default. SU > always works fine for me but SU+J always causes corrupted filesystems > which it never bothers to fix either in the background or the > foreground. I have to disable the journal and manually fsck it to get a > clean filesystem once again. Seems completely flawed. Same here. Even if a background fsck is being run, the file system still kept some corruptions and would not be marked clean, so the same thing repeated at next boot. A forced full foreground fsck (!) would sometimes fix it, sometimes two (!) runs were needed. By switching off J things went back to normal again. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 03:48:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE79A1B46F for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 03:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaymax36@gmail.com) Received: from mbob.nabble.com (mbob.nabble.com [162.253.133.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C91D164C for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 03:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaymax36@gmail.com) Received: from msam.nabble.com (unknown [162.253.133.85]) by mbob.nabble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7041831EE5 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:48:49 -0700 (MST) From: jaymax To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1445485729838-6046921.post@n5.nabble.com> Subject: Automatic reboots on boot attempts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 03:48:50 -0000 uname -a => FreeBSD MACH1 10.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.2-RELEASE #0 r286666: Wed Aug 12 19:31:38 UTC 2015 root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 On booting, everything seems to run OK up to a point. POST runs as expected, hardware/device probe runs with bright white foreground text fonts to stdout. I can't tell if the probe is completed because of its rapidity, but apparently stalls afterwards as there is no further output, in fact the screen display disappears. The system at this point or after some irregular delay period will do an automatic reboot, [BIOS being set for auto reboot on 'Power OFF']. There is no indication of entering the init or getty stage of the bootstrapping process? Perhaps an abort. i.e. no grey text displayed! There is no evidence of a 'PANIC' either. My mobo caps seems fine, no bulges or leaks! Of course I can't see those in the PSU, although I swapped another in. And there is no dmesg to retrieve. Is there some way of figuring out what is really going on here? Now, if I boot with the livefs {FreeBSD 10.2 Release Disc} - system boots fine. mount -t ufs /dev/gpt/gptrootfs /mnt mount -t devfs /dev /mnt/dev chroot /mnt mount -a Apart from a couple of fscks_ufs everything seems fine and stable. Shutdown, followed by a power-up and the problem re-asserts itself. My /boot/loader.conf is currently empty no customization & everything should be 'at default", yet - continual reboots. Returning to the livefs. I have to do a fsck_ufs on all the disks, system and non-system disks: The universal precipitating message is "mount will invalidate journal contents" Then the traditional fsck stuff with a ... RECOVER ? yes **building recover table** **Resolving unreferenced inode list** **Processing journal entries** WRITE CHANGES? yes *****File System Marked Clean***** Should I do a normal boot again, then the same auto reboots occur, necessitating an unceremonious shutdown and perhaps dismount; anyway apparently the system becomes dirty'. Given that the system did not mount I could have expected this of the system disk but not all disks! What could possibly be amiss here and what are reasonable possible solutions? hopefully not a re-installation. Isn't it safe to assume that since the system is stable with the livefs and all the disks mounted that I can eliminate any consideration of a hardware problem? Thanks! -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Automatic-reboots-on-boot-attempts-tp6046921.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 03:53:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E8CA1B67D for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 03:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaymax36@gmail.com) Received: from mbob.nabble.com (mbob.nabble.com [162.253.133.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F711BC6 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 03:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaymax36@gmail.com) Received: from msam.nabble.com (unknown [162.253.133.85]) by mbob.nabble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D8D1831E7A for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:43:39 -0700 (MST) From: jaymax To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1445485419692-6046920.post@n5.nabble.com> Subject: Automatic reboots on boot attempts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 03:53:17 -0000 uname -a =>FreeBSD MACH1 10.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.2-RELEASE #0 r286666: Wed Aug 12 19:31:38 UTC 2015 root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386On booting, everything seems to run OK up to a point. POST runs as expected, hardware/device probe runs with bright white foreground text fonts to stdout. I can't tell if the probe is completed because of its rapidity, but apparently stalls afterwards as there is no further output, in fact the screen display disappears.The system at this point or after some irregular delay period will do an automatic reboot, [BIOS being set for auto reboot on 'Power OFF'].There is no indication of entering the init or getty stage of the bootstrapping process?Perhaps an abort.i.e. no grey text displayed!There is no evidence of a 'PANIC' either.My mobo caps seems fine, no bulges or leaks!Of course I can't see those in the PSU, although I swapped another in.And there is no dmesg to retrieve.Is there some way of figuring out what is really going on here?Now, if I boot with the livefs {FreeBSD 10.2 Release Disc} - system boots fine.mount -t ufs /dev/gpt/gptrootfs /mntmount -t devfs /dev /mnt/devchroot /mntmount -aApart from a couple of fscks_ufs everything seems fine and stable.Shutdown, followed by a power-up and the problem re-asserts itself. My /boot/loader.conf is currently empty no customization & everything should be 'at default", yet - continual reboots.Returning to the livefs.I have to do a fsck_ufs on all the disks, system and non-system disks:The universal precipitating message is"mount will invalidate journal contents"Then the traditional fsck stuff with a...RECOVER ? yes**building recover table****Resolving unreferenced inode list****Processing journal entries**WRITE CHANGES? yes*****File System Marked Clean*****Should I do a normal boot again, then the same auto reboots occur, necessitating an unceremonious shutdown and perhaps dismount; anyway apparently the system becomes dirty'. Given that the system did not mount I could have expected this of the system disk but not all disks!What could possibly be amiss here and what are reasonable possible solutions? hopefully not a re-installation.Isn't it safe to assume that since the system is stable with the livefs and all the disks mounted that I can eliminate any consideration of a hardware problem? Thanks! -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Automatic-reboots-on-boot-attempts-tp6046920.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. 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Received: by 10.28.181.193 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 02:53:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86lhaw107r.fsf@WorkBox.Home> References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151021143525.GX87605@mordor.lan> <86lhaw107r.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:53:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? From: krad To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" Cc: Julien Cigar , Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:53:30 -0000 Ah you're a newer generation user then. Some of us old foggies remember a time long before all these new fangled journals and cow filesystems. The days of ffs, ext, fat12, dfs, adfs...... I'm not even that old, as ive only used unix on IP stacks some of the boys and girls in here will remember decnet and having to flip multiple switches to boot systems, and card readers. There may even be the odd abacus user as well!!! On 21 October 2015 at 20:38, Brandon J. Wandersee < brandon.wandersee@gmail.com> wrote: > > Julien Cigar writes: > > Correct me if I'm wrong but, unless there is a bug in Soft Updates (SU), > > your FS will, in theory, never be corrupted with SU only. > > If I read this right, then, would gjournal be overkill for typical > desktop/laptop use? UFS2 is perhaps the only filesystems I've ever > encountered in common use that doesn't have data journaling enabled by > default, so that's thrown me off somewhat... > > -- > ================================================================= > :: Brandon Wandersee :: > :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: > ================================================================== > 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something > completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete > fools.' > - Douglas Adams > ================================================================== > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 11:48:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CA5A1B766 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67751EC9 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B42EDA1B765; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D30A1B764 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x244.google.com (mail-ig0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7457D1EC8 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by igbfs6 with SMTP id fs6so8220938igb.3 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 04:48:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+CkmnOChKEKRnUQhtYBMM8SIRhqKxi04SwhNp01lzI0=; b=hbkdc3L+tgFjA5Hbu+xMKuO8YxqmjeLxgF9cBjYMfPfVFuX6sxCu69rFiGcScZxh9i 49jCdfXt+XPZ++eJABEv6nR17z9RHcUjN+Am4hfZsslNNUhGWgrTxIt4x4iXak5ZZnOq mLcLQx+Dx1StnKhViDLMqZ4uhvx6z0XSAsIkiWgek719wj9pVcFJBbIRJZzgOFYdIKzp fGXs070+G/E+oVXSYLFDZplhVhpUdHwbnklUc6LlvDyTAmnW/vC4lbSYsFW+LQmKqKOx S5h/XuxNIqHwvSci4MkcYhwXj3wUDC88e/M6JcKP229PiRHy2YeF2N9FLOB9vNU3fZY0 zl3A== X-Received: by 10.50.83.6 with SMTP id m6mr37123914igy.90.1445514534818; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 04:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-76-190-244-6.neo.res.rr.com. [76.190.244.6]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id ux6sm5854729igb.19.2015.10.22.04.48.53 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 04:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:48:59 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Venturoli CC: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:48:56 -0000 Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > > I've got a problem with a 10.1/i386 box which sometimes reboots > spontaneously: no crash dump, no message, nothing; only a sudden reboot > with nothing in the logs. > I even added INVARIANTS, WITNESS, SOCKBUF_DEBUG, DEBUG_VFS_LOCKS, > DEBUG_MEMGUARD and DIAGNOSTIC to my kernel conf: nothing changed. > > I tried putting DDB into the picture, but it won't be brough up; again a > plain reboot. > > > > > > While doing all my tests (and kernel compilations), I was able to see a > lot of reboots happening when the consoles screen saver starts or a key > is pressed to get back to the console. > In /boot/loader.conf I've got: > splash_bmp_load="YES" > bitmap_load="YES" > bitmap_name="/boot/splash.bmp" > > The above image will appear on boot and as soon as the keyboard is not > used for a while. > > With these settings, a "make kernel" will only seldom get to the end. > > In fact, after putting 'blanktime="NO"' in /etc/rc.conf, I tried "make > kernel" several times: no problem ever. > > So I thought my kernel might have something wrong and I tried GENERIC, > getting the same results. > > although I've been using this setup for maybe 15 years, I'm starting to > think splash has something wrong!!! > > Has anyone else experienced this? > > Any hint on how to get sure data? > I know I could just disable splash and easily live with it (that's in > fact what I'll do for now), but I'd feel more comfortable if I could get > straight down to the cause. > > Any help appreciated. > > > bye & Thanks > av. > > Read the handbook section about splash. Your splash.bmp file has to be under 320x200 in size. For a bmp file over that size you need to also load the VESA module. vesa_load="YES" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 11:59:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDA1A1BAFA for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:59:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8446A154F for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:59:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 81CEEA1BAF9; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81723A1BAF8 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:59:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp206.alice.it (smtp206.alice.it [82.57.200.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12473154E for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:59:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (79.32.6.132) by smtp206.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 56139B8302D02D25; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:59:39 +0200 Received: from guardian.ventu (bane.ventu [10.1.2.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t9MBxZka054592 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:59:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host bane.ventu [10.1.2.15] claimed to be guardian.ventu Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash To: Ernie Luzar References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:59:35 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 on 10.1.2.13 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:59:43 -0000 On 10/22/15 13:48, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Read the handbook section about splash. > Your splash.bmp file has to be under 320x200 in size. For a bmp file > over that size you need to also load the VESA module. > > vesa_load="YES" Hello Ernie and thanks for your time. I read that section (again), but found nothing new. My bitmap is 320x200x8, so it should be fine: it actually displays, so that's not the problem; frequent reboots are. Besides, I'm using this on several boxes and all but this one works fine (all without VESA). bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 12:18:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A61DA1C6B4 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:18:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2A61375 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id DBECAA1C6B3; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB86CA1C6B2 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x231.google.com (mail-io0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A56081374 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by iow1 with SMTP id 1so88904849iow.1 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 05:18:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GKTtoLJE9WclUSUMGGOmbT3+JJqWe27HpVsbPqCyMtw=; b=RqB8zlb2i2380TjiID4nEvH6ahmTsPEMMsni/TzvV6tYlpPIPSlb6MdQR2qV+s6QzY MyKfj2hbh9ZjO9IphDAMhDmO7rIPCCjDS5JVZbIbZwWsUvn5rlZAJop2QeQylKvLSkKn qOh0kknYnPuFuOTrCypdGngvPxe13ZTeB5qWftJKd6Q6HePSmVkeUp2dEEyGbU2R8Yxc iNrCGcZiwshNgMQiA73ZWBteNEzZariuUWJv53X8hYYiTlbo8RMSwFRpuzFisbuB+hFH 5yrsxOQ08eb2pr+VXYxa8sU6FSKr9gqDysYr9m/ZTGS4f5EZniAxx8wfgPUYbS93TMRm Ay8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.30.207 with SMTP id e198mr1109839ioe.99.1445516295060; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 05:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.241.227 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 05:18:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 05:18:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: Ernie Luzar , "questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:18:16 -0000 On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 10/22/15 13:48, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > Read the handbook section about splash. >> Your splash.bmp file has to be under 320x200 in size. For a bmp file >> over that size you need to also load the VESA module. >> >> vesa_load="YES" >> > > Hello Ernie and thanks for your time. > > I read that section (again), but found nothing new. > > My bitmap is 320x200x8, so it should be fine: it actually displays, so > that's not the problem; frequent reboots are. > > Besides, I'm using this on several boxes and all but this one works fine > (all without VESA). > > > bye & Thanks > av. > _______________________________________________ > > If you have two identical computers with the same programs running : One is working correctly , but other one is booting arbitrarily : Cause may be that an instruction address is broken and showing the boot starting code ( either 0 or maximum to showing BIOS boot start code address , sometimes ff...ff ) . Therefore , there is a necessity to check that - processor is working correctly - memories are working correctly - memory management chips are working correctly . Another problem may be a program which is causing generation of an invalid address showing boot start code and jumping into it . This is very easy for a i386 real mode program . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 12:21:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DA5A1C797 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71462176B for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 70B5DA1C796; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56591A1C795 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x230.google.com (mail-io0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 236421769 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by iodv82 with SMTP id v82so88805008iod.0 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 05:21:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=d3sJo/HgJGXSyD7+7BDuYI2I8XkY8Loi4rCGxQUU040=; b=oTRI/4EOQG9ByXCEDzQJ2m4WfId7xSUrfOWEOJZU/PqDcBah9QNhH+ziac2BDfjt9Q iQUWImMK4CRMH994+qaA+UICIB/WbfqCn8XrGmx0mO0O2GXsStnmR+5yqZRLJsNb5QM5 CcaO8Y5gMIg9uByXLiwjE6UM5zE0Q6ua0/zvtC+RnT1VqpjZaWCQoRgDChc/sirvl/hC LjcFRhDc8AOBWH25DJmrHivw3TZWD2qDufcAtqfyO3MxlJRIAhFcv28+2MeuQoTyGIG5 35vxHhqkpj1K10qp+HCQ5AE+ovDIoWh9xyMahU+MkSRO3Ojs3fRtQxB39DA7vqyEAO8W yH9A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.131.147 with SMTP id n19mr15205119ioi.192.1445516500598; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 05:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.241.227 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 05:21:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 05:21:40 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: Ernie Luzar , "questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:21:41 -0000 On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 10/22/15 13:48, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > Read the handbook section about splash. >> Your splash.bmp file has to be under 320x200 in size. For a bmp file >> over that size you need to also load the VESA module. >> >> vesa_load="YES" >> > > Hello Ernie and thanks for your time. > > I read that section (again), but found nothing new. > > My bitmap is 320x200x8, so it should be fine: it actually displays, so > that's not the problem; frequent reboots are. > > Besides, I'm using this on several boxes and all but this one works fine > (all without VESA). > > > bye & Thanks > av. > _______________________________________________ > > Another possibility is that a program is broken ( contains an invalid address ) in HDD . When it starts to working , it jumps to that broken address and this may start the boot . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 13:15:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EE9A1A38B for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:15:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from relaygateway02.edpnet.net (relaygateway02.edpnet.net [212.71.1.211]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.edpnet.net", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D0C71EE5 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwHAD3gKFZNbXNd/2dsb2JhbABegzZULULAARcKhTJKAoFITQEBAQEBAYELhC8BAQQBAQEgKwgYCxALGAkTDgICDwUNBgEJCCQIBwQBHASHegMWCbFzjhkNR4QgAQEBBwEBAQEWCYZ3hH6CUIFrAQFQB4JpgUUFliuFGYUcdIFtCIFYh2OLHoNdg3BjhAU8NAeEfIFAAQEB X-IPAS-Result: AvwHAD3gKFZNbXNd/2dsb2JhbABegzZULULAARcKhTJKAoFITQEBAQEBAYELhC8BAQQBAQEgKwgYCxALGAkTDgICDwUNBgEJCCQIBwQBHASHegMWCbFzjhkNR4QgAQEBBwEBAQEWCYZ3hH6CUIFrAQFQB4JpgUUFliuFGYUcdIFtCIFYh2OLHoNdg3BjhAU8NAeEfIFAAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,182,1444687200"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="344781282" Received: from 77.109.115.0.93.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net (HELO mordor.lan) ([77.109.115.93]) by relaygateway02.edpnet.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 22 Oct 2015 15:15:11 +0200 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:15:10 +0200 From: Julien Cigar To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions , krad Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? Message-ID: <20151022131510.GY87605@mordor.lan> References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151021143525.GX87605@mordor.lan> <86lhaw107r.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BzSjWsyRXn5FzoOl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86lhaw107r.fsf@WorkBox.Home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:15:18 -0000 --BzSjWsyRXn5FzoOl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 02:38:16PM -0500, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: >=20 > Julien Cigar writes: > > Correct me if I'm wrong but, unless there is a bug in Soft Updates (SU), > > your FS will, in theory, never be corrupted with SU only. >=20 > If I read this right, then, would gjournal be overkill for typical > desktop/laptop use? UFS2 is perhaps the only filesystems I've ever > encountered in common use that doesn't have data journaling enabled by > default, so that's thrown me off somewhat... It depends of your needs, but for a typicaly desktop use it seems a bit overkill to me. Contrary to other filesystems UFS doesn't need journaling to avoid=20 _corruption_ as SU is an alternate approach to maintain metadata integrity. One important thing to remember is that neither SU, or SU+J, or any journaled metadata prevents data loss: corruption !=3D data loss. This is where gjournal (and data=3Djournal on EXT-like FS) comes in as datas and metadatas are written in the journal _before_, so you avoid corruption and data loss. I hope SU+J will be fixed one day ... >=20 > --=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > :: Brandon Wandersee :: > :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something > completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete > fools.' > - Douglas Adams > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. --BzSjWsyRXn5FzoOl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAABCgAGBQJWKOFaAAoJEAi2KiTKQR5pnhIP/0oDdPGykR4vo6pU7+PBpQkA jKeG6hTIUJoKQb33+bwM6y2C/knCeKi0WRfoYFRa/iHS/iv59daoa66wa07iUgTU y1CDGwsOQY0Rwpg+RIR+Wwa4bc6A5sGQ1lWge6mkgMvrmpfmsgmrgNQalBn/0dFx CkPdN48MBre1FSy1T8TRqBlYbag2Xk8TanBiHV4+DIUW7AzqJU3friax180q1Fxc NAJ6AWIGK/gZfvhl3qH+dpaMB0AF5TYQNQy561pByTYzYEVb8WZUWvUjXPIN9MKq LEO8WI5jOcJ/DayQEAKJl/mqvuKGvg2G6snKm+Xd85Cusa/u0FJpTKtsScAVf1/a /Sp/IEW7Cm81YRnM1UbH1itNosSbBOA2CEo1hGZ1Uec8s0PaOoUYtOovN9l2RzK/ d1uwkerNaDuimxfX5/WSqF/Le/m7aQF3NyKdQs3vAOmMh8j9iXpYMv2hEzujoOqt /BxTWp9MkD5pIxoWWqY/50IXCXiXayzvgk+DJE19NfF6gVB5SHNgolSODxR0bPr4 W1tr7nhj7I64Rd3Mm7VN5YOWNaNaC7h2JI8kabNKajFjFgFqaI3IFqBCx+VVbIz3 2P45j6fWiXNoTNDs8MUCAfbSu1M9D6RFcuec8j9lh0pwMaReaXzrnH4mK0iFhdPH NMoy3AD16tSIrOlRFME2 =MASZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BzSjWsyRXn5FzoOl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 13:39:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE48A1AB52 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rbbalabis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22e.google.com (mail-wi0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C8741E51 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rbbalabis@gmail.com) Received: by wicfv8 with SMTP id fv8so120714564wic.0 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:39:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZP9ukSOZpcUsoT8ym6ch7i6u95g24u4SsdG/YRLosSI=; b=GzmdXH4uge8oQYrd/6Jvdvb5cuIwX6Mcd05svacSV+zqgINnoF87WxWA70PCjuw02y tY2luTPN5X0Dz8Ffxk2nQqtEjlzw0j5NfZKEHRotsyXOwt4yfxcrpt3G6+bZ0bnswrnb UGajXlfiDhSf0rWmrUmmathOVEMoQMsL4joi/+JQJzW1aQeKfluzrMpl9/CmzGD8f5QV 8TXvN9V3Et7ii9GHnYo8AHCbpGD9mpkMtdDN6kJdvaf3ioBoVRzczs3MmE8Ao3MkV7oH Fq+AzrquKdzsOblHfVE4Dbx9sxLlQOCtv72ZT3W25jQjFyR3sQ1xtutrg0gw8WzT1iXU 5G0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.249.73 with SMTP id ys9mr17688355wjc.11.1445521185026; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.57.10 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:39:44 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: msg From: Ruel Borais To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:39:47 -0000 -- www.rmsilkscreenprint.net/A From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 13:53:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D51DA1AF60 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:53:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@midsummerdream.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa09-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 783881572 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:53:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@midsummerdream.org) Received: from titania.midsummerdream.org ([107.197.157.90]) by p3plsmtpa09-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id YDtV1r00C1xJNYB01DtWWF; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:53:30 -0700 X-Sender: oberon@midsummerdream.org Subject: Re: PCI-E SSD cards Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Rob Rati In-Reply-To: <56256A8B.3070104@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:53:31 -0400 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <00F597A9-A1E6-4AD5-8218-F51393DC8CD6@midsummerdream.org> References: <56256A8B.3070104@sneakertech.com> To: Quartz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:53:38 -0000 I have some SATA ports free on an add-on controller card that I could = use, but I didn't know about brackets for mounting a normal sata drive = in a pci slot. I ended up ordering: = http://www.microsatacables.com/m-2-x-2-to-sata-iii-dual-port-adapter-with-= pci-e-bracket/ Which allows 2 m.2 cards that support SATA. I also ordered 2 m.2 128G = cards. Rob On Oct 19, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Quartz wrote: >> I was looking at adding an ssd for a zil and/or l2arc to my zfs pool >> but all my hard drive bays are full. I have free pci-e slots, so I >> started looking at using that instead of a physical drive. Does >> anyone have any experience with these ssd pci-e cards in FreeBSD? >=20 > Your bays are full, but are you using all the sata ports on your = board? You can get simple brackets that let you mount a normal sata = drive in a pci slot (no connection to the actual slot connector). If = your slots are all spoken for, you could combine a bracket with a = generic sata card in another slot (assuming you have multiple slots = free). > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 14:11:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F60A1C394 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:11:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22d.google.com (mail-wi0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEAB01158 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:11:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by wicfx6 with SMTP id fx6so137668323wic.1 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:11:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FeSO7YohSfs5m0P7E18VsS9z4s6lK6wBYKiVlLnE6D8=; b=lgAIWlnurgN7sRiNwSDDKyYi5jNajMONFvE0CceEcopq75HpVthN9YHeCT2Egf7AZx EvHL/mCFJfd64/ieDDwlfdrocnN9BQ+EoqFg/pSJ0f1QtBGfcYINpd0TfZ3gOsPSXfSD j4WD1WEk/fTINaEozK4kLhiN7WQvMar6wIn9QJTxomNuJZz9Ph27Uc9poNYIkwMX2v0L 3t4SL9hvtIfn7if5JIr7jYELFxKjNdRXVoLYctJXyqpkEmrp1bggjcrC0mPZ4SC3GUde OIxqB0su5tVr5Mtm6zSZ12b/k2bzF8jTUX6zcLTBQkEnlgjA4zslcSBtT1dZ0Lrv18f7 DANQ== X-Received: by 10.180.90.37 with SMTP id bt5mr41124680wib.7.1445523077184; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([90.195.214.153]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id lb10sm17104610wjc.9.2015.10.22.07.11.15 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:11:15 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? Message-ID: <20151022151115.33ee33f0@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:11:19 -0000 On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:33:13 -0500 Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > I've recently created several new UFS partitions on an SSD. I > activated gjournal on the largest--about 200Gb in size > 1. UFS with TRIM, but without journaling. Disk performance is > maintained, but data is unprotected in the event of a crash. UFS with soft-updates is roughly equivalent to the the metadata journalling used on most modern filesystems. Personally, I wouldn't use gjournal on an SSD for several reasons: 1. full data journalling doubles the writes with respect to basic UFS and therefore halves the life of the device. SU by contrast presumably reduces the total writes by rolling-up multiple metadata updates in memory. 2. the journal needs to be much larger than on an ordinary hard drive because of the write speeds, which is wasteful. 3. I suspect gjournal has had very little use on SSDs, so there may be SSD specific bugs. I use gjournal with large partitions on spinning disks, and soft-updates with foreground checks for my SSD and small partitions. I've never had a problem with SUs with foreground checks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 14:32:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9937EA1CAA2 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:32:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22a.google.com (mail-wi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EE191F85 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:32:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by wicll6 with SMTP id ll6so122066870wic.1 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:32:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=g0K9+o8Ix1H3liTIX7nDu+WXWsQy7rfaW2apGh1y3iI=; b=F4PiOniHJ9f1cIdPrlAv7PvB8+cOhad0EjG//tN+KUlFzElPnh5QhByTBuJJ8EAkna lpFbKtnyplt/N2pgYAkoXsk9c3zLqZKfsz7fXTUtnntllB2aFCeB2KYA1wUCjJls+j7F YCZlzN8Bt3tCrG6KkPQFC2+/tUb9W71i2rpbPdI/4x2GOt0T/yejUztS/WJOaJVHCMmS 2pwEpphpOJZ7LdKW6vK6gzQwbzvYi6jT6VcYKtuDMfqgl/LdXV4YWGygSKuChDGnMFkE vjO5oBnaJcdfDxaI1mh7NMzyWhZmrYU/GsYSHRHYgFRCHg0l+Sq13GQn/RMQ7WZRF6Vu FANQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.184.138 with SMTP id eu10mr42812537wic.25.1445524322686; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.16.231 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:32:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20151022131510.GY87605@mordor.lan> References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151021143525.GX87605@mordor.lan> <86lhaw107r.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151022131510.GY87605@mordor.lan> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:32:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? From: Adam Vande More To: Julien Cigar Cc: "Brandon J. Wandersee" , FreeBSD Questions , krad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:32:05 -0000 On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Julien Cigar wrote: > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 02:38:16PM -0500, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > > > > Julien Cigar writes: > > > Correct me if I'm wrong but, unless there is a bug in Soft Updates > (SU), > > > your FS will, in theory, never be corrupted with SU only. > > > > If I read this right, then, would gjournal be overkill for typical > > desktop/laptop use? UFS2 is perhaps the only filesystems I've ever > > encountered in common use that doesn't have data journaling enabled by > > default, so that's thrown me off somewhat... > > It depends of your needs, but for a typicaly desktop use it seems a bit > overkill to me. > > Contrary to other filesystems UFS doesn't need journaling to avoid > _corruption_ as SU is an alternate approach to maintain metadata > integrity. > > One important thing to remember is that neither SU, or SU+J, or any > journaled metadata prevents data loss: corruption != data loss. This is > where gjournal (and data=journal on EXT-like FS) comes in as datas and > metadatas are written in the journal _before_, so you avoid corruption > and data loss. > gjournal nor data=journal nor COW prevent data loss. They simply ensure both meta-data and data are consistent. In general though they do reduce the risk of data loss at a high cost in journaled scenarios. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 15:14:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985D1A1A632 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8BA139F for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7B207A1A631; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABE5A1A630 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp208.alice.it (smtp208.alice.it [82.57.200.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E95139E for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:14:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (79.32.6.132) by smtp208.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 55BB68E10D8A33C1; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:14:14 +0200 Received: from guardian.ventu (bane.ventu [10.1.2.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t9MFE8p2062225 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:14:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host bane.ventu [10.1.2.15] claimed to be guardian.ventu Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> Cc: Ernie Luzar , "questions@freebsd.org" From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <5628FD40.1030701@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:14:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 on 10.1.2.13 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:14:17 -0000 On 10/22/15 14:18, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > If you have two identical computers with the same programs running : > One is working correctly , but other one is booting arbitrarily : I've got another identical box; I'll restore a dump on this and see if the behaviour is the same. > Therefore , there is a necessity to check that > > - processor is working correctly CPU Burn-in says yes. > - memories are working correctly Memtest 86+ says so. > - memory management chips are working correctly . I have no idea how to check. How do I do this? > Another problem may be a program which is causing generation of an > invalid address showing boot start code and jumping into it . This is > very easy for a i386 real mode program . In that case this program would be FreeBSD! That's why I'm asking here. > Another possibility is that a program is broken ( contains an invalid address ) > in HDD . When it starts to working , it jumps to that broken address and this > may start the boot . Would a userland program be allowed to do this??? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 16:18:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1E1A1C826 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:18:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC8C17D3 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:18:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 58FB6A1C825; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58844A1C824 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:18:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x234.google.com (mail-ig0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2372B17D2 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:18:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by igbhv6 with SMTP id hv6so63354560igb.0 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:18:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=QaubFqJzer8X83psIfk4GLV0JYeucmerlR1pXWnjifg=; b=fHXXYVzPqPEd6xZzu4F7JczOabBiOxv8EA5+QlwYvUtRKfO5uGIZZJUh7OEYKOZ0pg 4deN4sBPVcKROAz8BBaGdH584sy2Asmu0wZjVsJU/QflA4JDpEdUcFG65k0IZcMax29L 51+NUQzIMslYqXWJo2o9N9sAGWZ6RpXigBEAFukySO21K/h7N6X75m/EAKQ3/0luFfUj UbKwGpTfgoKafhJwh2OnWmx1fRCWkGX6wMa0tL2FReh7v00Oculf2601Dw/YZWwCHfLT t0NSi616UpvXD7wau1dkDovhqXyT7USD5W66Ra9pkUHh69DWhumm4ltSngjkmh4rUtl2 GT+Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.72.108 with SMTP id c12mr33279689igv.63.1445530734446; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.241.227 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:18:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5628FD40.1030701@netfence.it> References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> <5628FD40.1030701@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:18:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: Ernie Luzar , "questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:18:55 -0000 On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 10/22/15 14:18, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > If you have two identical computers with the same programs running : >> One is working correctly , but other one is booting arbitrarily : >> > > I've got another identical box; I'll restore a dump on this and see if the > behaviour is the same. > > > > > Therefore , there is a necessity to check that >> >> - processor is working correctly >> > > CPU Burn-in says yes. > > > > - memories are working correctly >> > > Memtest 86+ says so. > > > > - memory management chips are working correctly . >> > > I have no idea how to check. How do I do this? > > > If memory tests are showing memories are working correctly , it is possible to say that memory management chips are also working correctly . Otherwise , it is not possible to write into and read from chips correctly . If memory chips fail , by testing with correctly working chips known , the problem may be attributed to memory management chips . Another possibility is the Watt level of Power Supply : If the required watts is exceeding the existent power supply watts level , it may cause reboots when power use increases beyond its capacity . Another possibility is power supply is cutting power spontaneously or causing fluctuations . > > Another problem may be a program which is causing generation of an >> invalid address showing boot start code and jumping into it . This is >> very easy for a i386 real mode program . >> > > In that case this program would be FreeBSD! That's why I'm asking here. > > > > If you can isolate the program causing boots , it will be possible to check its sources and binary file . > > Another possibility is that a program is broken ( contains an invalid >> address ) >> > > in HDD . When it starts to working , it jumps to that broken address > and this > > may start the boot . > > Would a userland program be allowed to do this??? > > > Let's assume that CPU is not over-heated and is not rebooting the computer like motherboard is powered . Let's assume that there is no any malicious program part to cause rebooting . A broken network card may corrupt data and may cause serious problems . The remaining possibility is that instruction counter value is destroyed in a program and showing the BIOS boot code area . To reboot the computer , it is necessary to start BIOS boot code This may occur also during BIOS related calls . Instead of a proper interrupt code , boot part is invoked . Otherwise we will say that within FreeBSD OS parts , there is a point that , instead of a proper shut down , it is directly rebooting the computer by calling BIOS boot code . Checking panic points and searching OS sources for such a reboot code ( without any error message and request approval from the user ) existence may help . Here the most important part is to find the program part which is causing the reboots . Studying this program part will reveal the reason and , therefore the cure . I can not say any correct sentence here about FreeBSD internals due to ( not sufficient knowledge ) . Since that computer is not working properly , you can do the following : Reinstall OS into a spare disk and check with it . This will identify whether problem is caused by the presently installed OS or not . If it can execute 64-bits OS , testing with such an OS will identify effect of OS or hardware . > > bye & Thanks > av. > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 17:08:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F10A1C589 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:08:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD56D1280 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:08:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id BC302A1C588; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D42A1C587 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:08:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68875127F for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:08:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id B06C0CB8CB8; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:08:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:08:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <16867.128.135.52.6.1445533699.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> <5628FD40.1030701@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:08:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Mehmet Erol Sanliturk" Cc: "Andrea Venturoli" , "questions@freebsd.org" , "Ernie Luzar" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:08:28 -0000 On Thu, October 22, 2015 11:18 am, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > >> On 10/22/15 14:18, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >> >> If you have two identical computers with the same programs running : >>> One is working correctly , but other one is booting arbitrarily : >>> >> >> I've got another identical box; I'll restore a dump on this and see if >> the >> behaviour is the same. >> >> >> >> >> Therefore , there is a necessity to check that >>> >>> - processor is working correctly >>> >> >> CPU Burn-in says yes. >> >> >> >> - memories are working correctly >>> >> >> Memtest 86+ says so. >> >> >> >> - memory management chips are working correctly . >>> >> >> I have no idea how to check. How do I do this? >> >> >> > > If memory tests are showing memories are working correctly , it is > possible > to say that memory management chips are also working correctly . Otherwise > , it is not possible to write into and read from chips correctly . > > If memory chips fail , by testing with correctly working chips known , the > problem may be attributed to memory management chips . > > Another possibility is the Watt level of Power Supply : If the required > watts is exceeding the existent power supply watts level , it may cause > reboots when power use increases beyond its capacity . > > > Another possibility is power supply is cutting power spontaneously or > causing fluctuations . > Yes, I've seen this even if PS is marginally pushed to its capacity, and it is old, therefore filtering capacitors lost some of their capacitance. Excessive ripple on bus power leads (resulting from the above) and possibly aged capacitors of the system board (I still call it that way even though long ago the jargon "motherboard" became a standard) partly to blame. I've seen the machines starting to consume more power some 5 years down the road merely because hard drives age, and start consuming more power. Incidentally, memtest86 may pass successfully in the above case, as it runs with zero load, hence much less power consumption. I also wouldn't discard the possibility that BIOS temperature sensor(s) is (are) tripped - investigate that (simply increasing threshold levels would be the way to test if this is the case). If you have AMD CPUs, you should be safe. I heard someone said you can boil water on them and they still keep running. I had once to live with 96F in the server room for 2 hours (to let some maintenance be completed) and none of Opteron boxes got sick. A few of Intel ones did... Valeri > > >> >> Another problem may be a program which is causing generation of an >>> invalid address showing boot start code and jumping into it . This is >>> very easy for a i386 real mode program . >>> >> >> In that case this program would be FreeBSD! That's why I'm asking here. >> >> >> >> > > If you can isolate the program causing boots , it will be possible to > check > its sources and binary file . > > > > >> >> Another possibility is that a program is broken ( contains an invalid >>> address ) >>> >> > in HDD . When it starts to working , it jumps to that broken address >> and this >> > may start the boot . >> >> Would a userland program be allowed to do this??? >> >> >> > > Let's assume that CPU is not over-heated and is not rebooting the computer > like motherboard is powered . > > Let's assume that there is no any malicious program part to cause > rebooting > . > > A broken network card may corrupt data and may cause serious problems . > > The remaining possibility is that instruction counter value is destroyed > in > a program and showing the BIOS boot code area . To reboot the computer , > it is necessary to start BIOS boot code > > This may occur also during BIOS related calls . Instead of a proper > interrupt code , boot part is invoked . > > Otherwise we will say that within FreeBSD OS parts , there is a point that > , instead of a proper shut down , it is directly rebooting the computer by > calling BIOS boot code . Checking panic points and searching OS sources > for > such a reboot code ( without any error message and request approval from > the user ) existence may help . > > Here the most important part is to find the program part which is causing > the reboots . Studying this program part will reveal the reason and , > therefore the cure . > > > I can not say any correct sentence here about FreeBSD internals due to ( > not sufficient knowledge ) . > > > Since that computer is not working properly , you can do the following : > Reinstall OS into a spare disk and check with it . > > This will identify whether problem is caused by the presently installed OS > or not . > If it can execute 64-bits OS , testing with such an OS will identify > effect > of OS or hardware . > > > > >> >> bye & Thanks >> av. >> > > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 18:25:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFD7A1C943 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:25:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEDD1315 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:25:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 61F72CB8CB8; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:25:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:25:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <15365.128.135.52.6.1445538332.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20151022181651.GA22661@neutralgood.org> References: <1445485729838-6046921.post@n5.nabble.com> <20151022181651.GA22661@neutralgood.org> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:25:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Automatic reboots on boot attempts From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: kpneal@pobox.com Cc: "jaymax" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:25:33 -0000 On Thu, October 22, 2015 1:16 pm, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 08:48:49PM -0700, jaymax wrote: >> uname -a => >> FreeBSD MACH1 10.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.2-RELEASE #0 r286666: Wed Aug 12 >> 19:31:38 UTC 2015 >> root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> i386 >> >> On booting, everything seems to run OK up to a point. POST runs as >> expected, hardware/device probe runs with bright white foreground text >> fonts >> to stdout. I can't tell if the probe is completed because of its >> rapidity, >> but apparently stalls afterwards as there is no further output, in fact >> the >> screen display disappears. >> >> The system at this point or after some irregular delay period will do >> an >> automatic reboot, [BIOS being set for auto reboot on 'Power OFF']. >> >> There is no indication of entering the init or getty stage of the >> bootstrapping process? > > Are you running X? > > It sounds like it goes into "multiuser mode" (where all the filesystems > are mounted) and then something happens that causes the reboot. I can't > rule out an errant device driver (X?) touching a chip in such a way as > to cause an instant reboot. > > The need to fsck all of your filesystems indicates that they were mounted > at the time the system got the finger. > > I can't rule out hardware because bad memory could also cause a reboot. > > My personal guess is that you are running X11 and something is going > bad there. If you turn it off is your machine stable? > >> Shutdown, followed by a power-up and the problem re-asserts itself. My >> /boot/loader.conf is currently empty no customization & everything >> should be >> 'at default", yet - continual reboots. > > Somebody else chime in here: Are device drivers for X11 supposed to be > added to the loader.conf? Sorry, I only use FreeBSD as a server myself. > On my FreeBSD 10.1 workstation I have nothing X related in my /boot/loader.conf. I must say: I do not run display manager daemon with graphic login, instead I log in as regular user on virtual console, then run exec startx ("exec" so user is logged out if X is killed), and in turn my .xinitrc has exec mate-session I hope this helps. Valeri > -- > Kevin P. Neal http://www.pobox.com/~kpn/ > > "What is mathematics? The age-old answer is, of course, that mathematics > is what mathematicians do." - Donald Knuth > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 19:48:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1F7A1C8F6 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:48:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaymax36@gmail.com) Received: from mbob.nabble.com (mbob.nabble.com [162.253.133.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E3B19E1 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaymax36@gmail.com) Received: from msam.nabble.com (unknown [162.253.133.85]) by mbob.nabble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80741841BE7 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:48:47 -0700 (MST) From: jaymax To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1445543327031-6047087.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <15365.128.135.52.6.1445538332.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <1445485729838-6046921.post@n5.nabble.com> <15365.128.135.52.6.1445538332.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: Automatic reboots on boot attempts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:48:48 -0000 Thanks Valeri - I do like your thinking: I am not running X; (as far as I know) I agree! it must have gone into multiuser state, perhaps. But wouldn't this suggest passing the 'init / getty' stage? This was a confusing area as I was thinking of perhaps a problem with /usr/libexec/getty and the ttys* I have tried forcing it into singleuser mode, option 2 on the startup splash screen I think, with little success. But I do not have anything in loader.conf so everything should be running in default mode. This is a clean install, just about a week or two old and in the throes of rebuilding. "bad memory could also cause a reboot" - That's why I checked my capacitors / hardware etc. If it was faulty memory wouldn't that me manifested also in running from the livefs? can I install /sysutils/memstat from the ports while using livefs? Will take another look if anything X related is running. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Automatic-reboots-on-boot-attempts-tp6046921p6047087.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 21:32:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CDEA1C086 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F396E18CC for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:32:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 7905ACB8CB1; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:32:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:32:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <53919.128.135.52.6.1445549553.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <1445543327031-6047087.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1445485729838-6046921.post@n5.nabble.com> <15365.128.135.52.6.1445538332.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <1445543327031-6047087.post@n5.nabble.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:32:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Automatic reboots on boot attempts From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "jaymax" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:32:35 -0000 On Thu, October 22, 2015 2:48 pm, jaymax wrote: > Thanks Valeri - I do like your thinking: > > I am not running X; (as far as I know) > > I agree! it must have gone into multiuser state, perhaps. > But wouldn't this suggest passing the 'init / getty' stage? This was a > confusing area as I was thinking of perhaps a problem with > /usr/libexec/getty and the ttys* > > I have tried forcing it into singleuser mode, option 2 on the startup > splash > screen I think, with little success. > > But I do not have anything in loader.conf so everything should be running > in > default mode. This is a clean install, just about a week or two old and in > the throes of rebuilding. > > "bad memory could also cause a reboot" - That's why I checked my > capacitors > / hardware etc. If it was faulty memory wouldn't that me manifested also > in > running from the livefs? When testing from livecd, I would mount one of the drives as well and run something really intense to pop up system load as much as the hardware can take. Say, buildworld with parallelizing equal to CPU core number... Just a thought. You can try to boot different live system, say one of Linux liveCDs. As always with hardware, shaking the tree and watching what falls of it may help... Good luck! Valeri > can I install /sysutils/memstat from the ports while using livefs? > > Will take another look if anything X related is running. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Automatic-reboots-on-boot-attempts-tp6046921p6047087.html > Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 21:36:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CD3A1C189 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:36:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050221AF5 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:36:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 02136A1C188; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0195FA1C186 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:36:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x232.google.com (mail-io0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD7FC1AF4 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:36:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by iofz202 with SMTP id z202so105675088iof.2 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:36:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JhzdvJobCECIy8feupgMXVT0s+xTYwnjoJ0teRHt3VE=; b=kqq219qQBIHoTbpHVEdcPjQ+K4HW7pc8AuBEOvRAdPv8/YK4EIFt/P2OBMJC1g36n5 eYdBisIL82BgM/CUNTBBar0O5hFI6me9fuCAeWoJbM0Fr+BgvnxkufC+HwZXGbaxSiu2 J0IsZtxn5t8YKh4AvzWkv0bJxwycoKzwVkGrhubsbPL93k/NMXzfozyZGwlgCnO90atE 5HL7dNhj/yCVABHuQ0GRYviFi8v6PepCpsm5Hbq6JHsMGA7Qu79uHZ1X59yGCIlqnyfN 2CqKFB48W6WFM+IEfHODZYho73ng42Z1BqopNV/bDO243GqWyxUSTuHOMdAwjwr7/Pxp FlWg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.11.226 with SMTP id 95mr18737694iol.186.1445549763072; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.241.227 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:36:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <16867.128.135.52.6.1445533699.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> <5628FD40.1030701@netfence.it> <16867.128.135.52.6.1445533699.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:36:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: Andrea Venturoli , "questions@freebsd.org" , Ernie Luzar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:36:04 -0000 On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Thu, October 22, 2015 11:18 am, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Andrea Venturoli > wrote: > > > >> On 10/22/15 14:18, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > >> > >> If you have two identical computers with the same programs running : > >>> One is working correctly , but other one is booting arbitrarily : > >>> > >> > >> I've got another identical box; I'll restore a dump on this and see if > >> the > >> behaviour is the same. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Therefore , there is a necessity to check that > >>> > >>> - processor is working correctly > >>> > >> > >> CPU Burn-in says yes. > >> > >> > >> > >> - memories are working correctly > >>> > >> > >> Memtest 86+ says so. > >> > >> > >> > >> - memory management chips are working correctly . > >>> > >> > >> I have no idea how to check. How do I do this? > >> > >> > >> > > > > If memory tests are showing memories are working correctly , it is > > possible > > to say that memory management chips are also working correctly . > Otherwise > > , it is not possible to write into and read from chips correctly . > > > > If memory chips fail , by testing with correctly working chips known , > the > > problem may be attributed to memory management chips . > > > > Another possibility is the Watt level of Power Supply : If the required > > watts is exceeding the existent power supply watts level , it may cause > > reboots when power use increases beyond its capacity . > > > > > > Another possibility is power supply is cutting power spontaneously or > > causing fluctuations . > > > > Yes, I've seen this even if PS is marginally pushed to its capacity, and > it is old, therefore filtering capacitors lost some of their capacitance. > Excessive ripple on bus power leads (resulting from the above) and > possibly aged capacitors of the system board (I still call it that way > even though long ago the jargon "motherboard" became a standard) partly to > blame. I've seen the machines starting to consume more power some 5 years > down the road merely because hard drives age, and start consuming more > power. > > Incidentally, memtest86 may pass successfully in the above case, as it > runs with zero load, hence much less power consumption. > > I also wouldn't discard the possibility that BIOS temperature sensor(s) is > (are) tripped - investigate that (simply increasing threshold levels would > be the way to test if this is the case). If you have AMD CPUs, you should > be safe. I heard someone said you can boil water on them and they still > keep running. I had once to live with 96F in the server room for 2 hours > (to let some maintenance be completed) and none of Opteron boxes got sick. > A few of Intel ones did... > > Valeri > > > > > > >> > >> Another problem may be a program which is causing generation of an > >>> invalid address showing boot start code and jumping into it . This is > >>> very easy for a i386 real mode program . > >>> > >> > >> In that case this program would be FreeBSD! That's why I'm asking here. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > If you can isolate the program causing boots , it will be possible to > > check > > its sources and binary file . > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Another possibility is that a program is broken ( contains an invalid > >>> address ) > >>> > >> > in HDD . When it starts to working , it jumps to that broken address > >> and this > >> > may start the boot . > >> > >> Would a userland program be allowed to do this??? > >> > >> > >> > > > > Let's assume that CPU is not over-heated and is not rebooting the > computer > > like motherboard is powered . > > > > Let's assume that there is no any malicious program part to cause > > rebooting > > . > > > > A broken network card may corrupt data and may cause serious problems . > > > > The remaining possibility is that instruction counter value is destroyed > > in > > a program and showing the BIOS boot code area . To reboot the computer , > > it is necessary to start BIOS boot code > > > > This may occur also during BIOS related calls . Instead of a proper > > interrupt code , boot part is invoked . > > > > Otherwise we will say that within FreeBSD OS parts , there is a point > that > > , instead of a proper shut down , it is directly rebooting the computer > by > > calling BIOS boot code . Checking panic points and searching OS sources > > for > > such a reboot code ( without any error message and request approval from > > the user ) existence may help . > > > > Here the most important part is to find the program part which is causing > > the reboots . Studying this program part will reveal the reason and , > > therefore the cure . > > > > > > I can not say any correct sentence here about FreeBSD internals due to ( > > not sufficient knowledge ) . > > > > > > Since that computer is not working properly , you can do the following : > > Reinstall OS into a spare disk and check with it . > > > > This will identify whether problem is caused by the presently installed > OS > > or not . > > If it can execute 64-bits OS , testing with such an OS will identify > > effect > > of OS or hardware . > > > > > > > > > >> > >> bye & Thanks > >> av. > >> > > > > > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Another important trouble point is HDD cables : They may be badly corrupting loaded programs . Checking ( replacing ) HDD cables may be useful . 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From: Romu To: "Bradley T. Hughes" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:05:27 -0000 No I'm not updating from STABLE to RELEASE, just trying to install STABLE updates. Basically my problem is: # freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 10.2-STABLE from update.FreeBSD.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Romu 2015-10-20 18:35 GMT+08:00 Bradley T. Hughes : > > > On 19 Oct 2015, at 14:54, Romu wrote: > > [snip] > > Fetching metadata signature for 10.2-STABLE from update.FreeBSD.org... > [snip] > > freebsd-update can only be used to update a -RELEASE. There are ways of > converting -STABLE to -RELEASE, if that is what you want to do, just need > to apply search-engine-fu. > > -- > Bradley T. Hughes > bradleythughes@fastmail.fm > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 23:07:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1653A1C572 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F984B27 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t9MN7etg006973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:07:41 -0500 Subject: Re: freebsd-update fetch: No mirrors remaining, giving up. References: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <56296C3C.4030307@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:13:10 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:07:48 -0000 As the other post said, *freebsd-update doesn't do STABLE, only RELEASE* .... On 10/22/15 18:11, Romu wrote: > No I'm not updating from STABLE to RELEASE, just trying to install STABLE > updates. Basically my problem is: > > # freebsd-update fetch > Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. > Fetching metadata signature for 10.2-STABLE from update.FreeBSD.org... > failed. > No mirrors remaining, giving up. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks > Romu > > 2015-10-20 18:35 GMT+08:00 Bradley T. Hughes : > >>> On 19 Oct 2015, at 14:54, Romu wrote: >> [snip] >>> Fetching metadata signature for 10.2-STABLE from update.FreeBSD.org... >> [snip] >> >> freebsd-update can only be used to update a -RELEASE. There are ways of >> converting -STABLE to -RELEASE, if that is what you want to do, just need >> to apply search-engine-fu. >> >> -- >> Bradley T. Hughes >> bradleythughes@fastmail.fm >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- William A. 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Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 03:29:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC4FA1B696 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 03:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lowell@Be-Well.Ilk.Org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA84011A0 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 03:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lowell@Be-Well.Ilk.Org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D7A98A1B693; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 03:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D747DA1B692 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 03:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lowell@Be-Well.Ilk.Org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A7B119E for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 03:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lowell@Be-Well.Ilk.Org) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77EF33C28; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 343483980E; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> <5628FD40.1030701@netfence.it> reply-to: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:22:52 -0400 Message-ID: <44eggme0ab.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 03:29:16 -0000 Andrea Venturoli writes: > On 10/22/15 14:18, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > >> If you have two identical computers with the same programs running : >> One is working correctly , but other one is booting arbitrarily : > > I've got another identical box; I'll restore a dump on this and see if > the behaviour is the same. That will establish if the issues are hardware, certainly. >> Therefore , there is a necessity to check that >> - processor is working correctly > CPU Burn-in says yes. > >> - memories are working correctly > Memtest 86+ says so. Those are checking the main system, not the graphics subsystem. If this is a hardware problem, it's far more likely to be in the graphics memory or the graphics processor. >> Another possibility is that a program is broken ( contains an invalid address ) >> in HDD . When it starts to working , it jumps to that broken >> address and this may start the boot . > > Would a userland program be allowed to do this??? No, but splash(4) is part of the kernel, so it would be allowed to do that. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 07:08:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8090FA1A51F for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:08:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4489F5FA for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:08:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1ZpWSQ-0015ce-Oq>; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:08:10 +0200 Received: from p578a69f9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.138.105.249] helo=freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1ZpWSQ-001zBP-I7>; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:08:10 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:08:05 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: freebsd-questions Subject: replace uname -a informational string Message-ID: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 87.138.105.249 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:08:19 -0000 For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given by "uname -a" to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. Is there a way to achieve this via setting some knobs in the process of a buildkernel? Please CC me, I'm not subscriber of the list. Kind regards and thanks in advance, O. Hartmann From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 08:10:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4275A19F95 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com) Received: from emkei.cz (unknown [IPv6:2a01:5e0:36:5001::20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB10DB for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com) Received: by emkei.cz (Postfix, from userid 33) id D954DD56EE; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:18:18 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Best recommended comprehensive book for newbie to learn FreeBSD in =?UTF-8?B?MjAxNT8gTWljaGFlbCBMdWNhcz8=?= From: "John" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Errors-To: m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com Reply-To: m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <20151023081818.D954DD56EE@emkei.cz> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:18:18 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:10:13 -0000 I like author Michael Lucas, but his latest such book, Absolute FreeBSD was released back in 2007, quite a bit of time ago. I wonder if it is still my best source, or, perhaps, anything newer has been released with a similar approach, depth, and humor? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 08:24:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A05A1A5C5 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x22f.google.com (mail-ig0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4135BE6C for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by igbhv6 with SMTP id hv6so11229709igb.0 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 01:24:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=WnEysRg+7yzhmBIAp6w+u+SpBm7GAn/wlVHCIREJNl0=; b=pHXBpEKaqVoYCWF44bXxaPjaY0Rpstrkjo0eid5/rO419ysWYMBhLluWLiTOyiU7+h sCeUY/LFa059eqQ4pjPd4R4QsSqgSiqeYYTnxPPfsCiLav3s4jDS1YX5iWD9M7U3UFCJ Kpz058641nQWfmS3xg1XoKkiAw9wB4D6ra5NilrwTEzBhEM5fXEmKYWuvHly9S2s6syM WJVWWDknfwfIGt28suu3MhgVz9T2DC+1LRWPJjUSupxlVHU1rVCFiy20kEF/TlPwt9yj dTMdCdLGb/GVYMvUuL64RYnpCjRLX9988B0tlVLjoSZ0JG7L/BJhNIHwtdCzm+q3sw8Q D/lw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.112.199 with SMTP id is7mr2730872igb.63.1445588641606; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 01:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.241.227 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 01:24:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20151023081818.D954DD56EE@emkei.cz> References: <20151023081818.D954DD56EE@emkei.cz> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 01:24:01 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best recommended comprehensive book for newbie to learn FreeBSD in 2015? Michael Lucas? From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:24:02 -0000 On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:18 AM, John via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > I like author Michael Lucas, but his latest such book, Absolute FreeBSD > was released back in 2007, quite a bit of time ago. I wonder if it is sti= ll > my best source, or, perhaps, anything newer has been released with a > similar approach, depth, and humor? > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321968972?keywords=3Dfreebsd&qid=3D144558= 8293&ref_=3Dsr_1_1&s=3Dbooks&sr=3D1-1 The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System (2nd Edition) 2nd Edition by Marshall Kirk McKusick (Author), George V. Neville-Neil (Author), Robert N.M. Watson (Author) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0692452354?keywords=3Dfreebsd&qid=3D144558= 8293&ref_=3Dsr_1_3&s=3Dbooks&sr=3D1-3 FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS (IT Mastery) (Volume 7) Paperback =E2=80=93 May 16, 20= 15 by Michael W Lucas (Author), Allan Jude (Author) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0692343202?keywords=3Dfreebsd&qid=3D144558= 8293&ref_=3Dsr_1_5&s=3Dbooks&sr=3D1-5 FreeBSD Mastery: Storage Essentials (IT Mastery) (Volume 4) Paperback =E2= =80=93 November 28, 2014 by Michael W Lucas (Author) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1593272049?keywords=3Dfreebsd&qid=3D144558= 8293&ref_=3Dsr_1_4&s=3Dbooks&sr=3D1-4 FreeBSD Device Drivers: A Guide for the Intrepid 1st Edition by Joseph Kong (Author) Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 08:58:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5FEA1AF3B for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:58:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com (mail-wi0-f171.google.com [209.85.212.171]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42B457E2 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:58:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: by wijp11 with SMTP id p11so67473896wij.0 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 01:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:message-id:to:subject:reply-to :in-reply-to; bh=edY2GVtb4y0qqodZM2JJVjUsoWGYgp6oReKNI+7I++M=; b=Ser8blayW7c2ZAFxIfbGYlQOSu7yej7JKIVlSnjmNCVCBsWemGiBdvDA/f3711C/7M 468CLanDEYy1wzIEXyeBXLsJaXzORZGwifSRNS/3VD1Gv87JnfGc8SRW9/OxeCKa6kIl bezogWgVGKQT1+04GrwlmjC+n7TzhRt4xwTo/SUAtNCMABMZ92nq9vZyx61HQtUa6z47 7lQfILF+wSTexNpGfHrwzJOyRUF9C+h3srivEmc3eH+hsztGgCp8V5mf5BnJ2EdCdIaU KnkVCwwKENcg3596cDQgTztdgBhaJ1UEggaGo7Du2O6mWp6n3u6PeeC/NuWvpMU/08bJ gkfg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmaqmqSmcp7qxNSBEO2m6ahXcuWMQcFNMokKt+SUX9smBELeub6MvE0FsAk9xSwvmjTI7+2 X-Received: by 10.194.19.66 with SMTP id c2mr3682800wje.141.1445590675342; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 01:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mech-as222.men.bris.ac.uk (mech-as222.men.bris.ac.uk. [137.222.170.4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id hk5sm21495820wjb.6.2015.10.23.01.57.54 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Oct 2015 01:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mech-as222.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-as222.men.bris.ac.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id t9N8vsaZ052717; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:57:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@mech-as222.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-as222.men.bris.ac.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id t9N8vsV1052716; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:57:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:57:54 +0100 (BST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201510230857.t9N8vsV1052716@mech-as222.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, leventelist@gmail.com Subject: Re: graphviz Reply-To: mexas@bris.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <20151023004426.57e2ce11@jive.levalinux.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:58:03 -0000 >If I run dot -c, I get the same error message: > >Unable to find pthread_create symbol. Aborting. >Abort trap (core dumped) > >Is this the same as this bug? > >https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2013-February/081302.html This is a very old thread. The latest PR is this: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=202944 The workaround is to build manually with nvidia-threads enabled. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20151023081818.D954DD56EE@emkei.cz> From: Matthew Seaman X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5629F8CD.7030101@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:07:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ash7BnhaRFi1TRoXxtjwcNSW4D1d8JgL1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:07:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ash7BnhaRFi1TRoXxtjwcNSW4D1d8JgL1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/23/15 09:24, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:18 AM, John via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: >=20 >> I like author Michael Lucas, but his latest such book, Absolute FreeBS= D >> was released back in 2007, quite a bit of time ago. I wonder if it is = still >> my best source, or, perhaps, anything newer has been released with a >> similar approach, depth, and humor? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >=20 > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321968972?keywords=3Dfreebsd&qid=3D14= 45588293&ref_=3Dsr_1_1&s=3Dbooks&sr=3D1-1 >=20 > The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System (2nd Edit= ion) > 2nd Edition > by Marshall Kirk McKusick (Author), George V. Neville-Neil (Author), Ro= bert > N.M. Watson (Author) This is certainly comprehensive, but it isn't for newbies, and it doesn't teach you how to operate a FreeBSD system -- it teaches you how to write the FreeBSD kernel. > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0692452354?keywords=3Dfreebsd&qid=3D14= 45588293&ref_=3Dsr_1_3&s=3Dbooks&sr=3D1-3 >=20 > FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS (IT Mastery) (Volume 7) Paperback =E2=80=93 May 16= , 2015 > by Michael W Lucas (Author), Allan Jude (Author) Much more accessible to a beginner, but concentrating on the use of ZFS. > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0692343202?keywords=3Dfreebsd&qid=3D14= 45588293&ref_=3Dsr_1_5&s=3Dbooks&sr=3D1-5 >=20 > FreeBSD Mastery: Storage Essentials (IT Mastery) (Volume 4) Paperback =E2= =80=93 > November 28, 2014 > by Michael W Lucas (Author) Similarly more accessible, but again focussing in on a specific part of the system. > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1593272049?keywords=3Dfreebsd&qid=3D14= 45588293&ref_=3Dsr_1_4&s=3Dbooks&sr=3D1-4 >=20 > FreeBSD Device Drivers: A Guide for the Intrepid 1st Edition > by Joseph Kong (Author) This is, like the Design and Implementation book, aimed at people who want to write device drivers. It's not an introduction to the OS from a user's or administrator's point of view. Although Michael Lucas' "Absolute BSD" is a few years old nowadays, it's still a good choice for an introductory text. The contents of the book will still be largely relevant today -- there haven't been any revolutionary changes in most of the system, but there will have been a lot of changes in various details. One exception to that is the system installer, which has been extensively rewritten. The description in the Handbook should cover you there. Actually, the Handbook is another good all round fit for your requirements. My advice: read Absolute BSD and the Handbook, then grab yourself a VM or some such and get stuck in. Give yourself an objective, like: set up an instance of Wordpress with php-fpm and nginx, trying to secure it as well as possible and test-publish some articles. [Just an example -- choose whatever seems most relevant to you.] Use Google or ask questions here for anything that causes you difficulties as you're going along. Then throw away all your initial attempts and start again from scratch, applying what you've learnt, to set up something more permanent.= You may also find material on the BSD Certification site useful: http://www.bsdcertification.org/ and http://bsdwiki.reedmedia.net/wiki/Table_of_Contents.html Cheers, Matthew --ash7BnhaRFi1TRoXxtjwcNSW4D1d8JgL1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWKfjVAAoJEABRPxDgqeTndrQQALQYuklRM+02bnT4uL/v3uOV 0HnsHTn3iSc7T/FRUP11WonUkYbIXsMxHxdvD0g3w+BJOfVLSfvthqJCIzo4wgTn tp326ZX2U8uUqqJeqBS6zw9JXm+k9pCp9nX/xuBOE5wvDyEtgQ06SwybDrvGHGtI 4Lb0+iFXUfDwDaT2kof4p1J4Ojk6v/4llum4A1HGgPTX4r2Yiyt2yDYRch2GKe5I 3bCXn0lGdYuR9XeFShm6uwHYkTM0xOF7ivZjc3as6tO2RblLDxiKQbVR4IdLCOjR zps3nNj+ZxJZoA7dFgJyorhcEwVACIkRHlozBmTS3/mKSkPp1p0Z2DNRRTrAWTHX GBkCmFHmr4HhHlVRmukJ+H/Xk956hNyrvhrQIHj5WZl5+A1LrNs9JQEwGEMhuA+r jSwrHcr69RzCGQtJs3fLhILW4E0Haer8IeCIe9oTbRIGRR6Oipja1OZ6leSzIbhQ eRz90dI5hkiAPEbyArp1LBpeVbZZ81b20U7EZ1DOAsIq5JEiv5bYl1X610zAcC3N dsMrJvdfslvX5YF38iThl/v52z4HoGJG0HRJjwW0D3zdPExvKb2x80RPTvMn2zqB nqd8k35pmbg+2Nv56a3n9tKL5CoWjQUoqxcvF5Ou/75qCOQpTAiYKjhy7wolHXsA iDKki1mD6a99J65+aX7M =Each -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ash7BnhaRFi1TRoXxtjwcNSW4D1d8JgL1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 09:11:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1ABA1C3EA for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59F7ADDF for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id t9N9BX44017085 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:11:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=freebsd.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t9N9BX44017085 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t9N9BX44017085; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com Subject: Re: Best recommended comprehensive book for newbie to learn FreeBSD in 2015? Michael Lucas? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20151023081818.D954DD56EE@emkei.cz> <5629F8CD.7030101@freebsd.org> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <5629F9C5.9060306@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:11:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5629F8CD.7030101@freebsd.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hakstmFAirulJuOk6i2F58i6lLi1sImDn" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:11:40 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --hakstmFAirulJuOk6i2F58i6lLi1sImDn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/23/15 10:07, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Although Michael Lucas' "Absolute BSD" is a few years old nowadays, it'= s > still a good choice for an introductory text. The contents of the book= > will still be largely relevant today -- there haven't been any > revolutionary changes in most of the system, but there will have been a= > lot of changes in various details. One exception to that is the syste= m > installer, which has been extensively rewritten. The description in th= e > Handbook should cover you there. Actually, the Handbook is another goo= d > all round fit for your requirements. Errr... of course there was all the switchover from pkg_tools to pkg(8) that also happened during that time. That's a pretty revolutionary change which completely skipped my mind. Sad really, since I was somewhat involved in doing that. Matthew --hakstmFAirulJuOk6i2F58i6lLi1sImDn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWKfnFAAoJEABRPxDgqeTndZ4P/Ru9mPL/rHgvrueDp3QmA2aU c34QLLfQr8LnPLHUchCQsQHJg8rbCNVJSUS482eRmJWzPHzmmAPNl2+4q3I3ITou sVrT5vbO1n+wEK3XPl0mVZ385CuOqJOAyX95Rn0JmOyIZjRSws0GYOsOpDekBzYU k7ly3EVkIBCG8O8JWOYmBVTYPTnUYZlfZx/hjj9k8GR4Dg1835JLW51Ethy6l8UA hTuVfYPsMArw19HJusu2rMylueC5US7zwgcgxb8YY5YL+Z1cAa0m4StTLmjow4wl SHoaGTY6Z30uvVSKWgflgKUbReiJKBaUmwLnUx4PY4iNiWFC7NKUYDHFFZAMXI93 HQrI2Rt4wcbrzBHtKQGQwNcwBy84UALqAw+XdDhnMgQCWGQ60eC0YkNdqp+8I2ll 8wBM7F9vHGcZVOGC6pE+Yn1gU9yk5q/F8NWu6fb+sxv+/y30uxAqOnaOS6xOFJ6J HVbimRvd5hrfRsKLLtnwCdZBBFvGYEM42PhCFahUAqEBrsFDkLB1+NlOL0O2ByL9 ILg0fNyB/t7Bq7xdjTYFWXco0VhQJ72n5Zie3I5SoJUNXt+Ph7BwnlnGluii9UOb ctxUNYA9kb1LtvojLYq5/mdsLHGC0HXZXhoDLvZo623nc5QtYg64gamhKanViWCs nE3ONXE/umAQRBjz25fN =+pRm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hakstmFAirulJuOk6i2F58i6lLi1sImDn-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 10:08:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7358AA1CEDE for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:08:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C041829 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:08:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 5A7D2A1CED6; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1AFA1CED3 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:08:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp209.alice.it (smtp209.alice.it [82.57.200.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E302C828 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:08:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (79.32.6.132) by smtp209.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 55BB67B20C6A979B; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:07:53 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t9NA7p4S006775; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:07:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash To: questions@freebsd.org References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> <5628FD40.1030701@netfence.it> <44eggme0ab.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Cc: freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu, luzar722@gmail.com, m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <562A06F7.7090806@netfence.it> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:07:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44eggme0ab.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:08:02 -0000 On 10/23/15 05:22, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Andrea Venturoli writes: > >> On 10/22/15 14:18, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >> >>> If you have two identical computers with the same programs running : >>> One is working correctly , but other one is booting arbitrarily : >> >> I've got another identical box; I'll restore a dump on this and see if >> the behaviour is the same. > > That will establish if the issues are hardware, certainly. I just tried on the third box, so I guess hardware failure is out of the picture. I installed a *fresh* 10.2/i386 with stock GENERIC kernel, no daemons running, no ports installed, no fancy configs (just the above mentioned lines to get the splash screen). "make kernel" reboots within minutes. > No, but splash(4) is part of the kernel, so it would be allowed to do that. That's what I meant: the problem must be in splash (or in the kernel anyway), not in some other unspecified program. I'll just try and see if amd64 gives the same trouble and file a bug report: I just wish I had some kernel message to include... bye & Thanks to all av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 10:17:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D71A1B0E6 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:17:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arundel@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6958B79 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:17:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arundel@freebsd.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id A4D251FEB; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:17:55 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: `make -s buildworld' producing verbose output Message-ID: <20151023101755.GA43791@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:17:55 -0000 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi there, while `make -s buildkernel' produces a very compact output, `make -s buildworld' gives me a few hundreds lines of data I don't really expect to get with make's silent flag (-s). Would it be possible to have the lines of the following type ===> gnu/usr.bin/groff/src/libs/libdriver (ob / all / install) not being output when the -s was specified? Cheers Alexander --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWKglTAAoJEIrKc8oQxUkUKTMP/jLCT6mVhtxYp9xPMAR3JV0H VpTW78pGM9JJv9d+CchNAhl10LOF3jx4N2PGWnzskpszNoh1hjsEKfcWDupjYTPH 4PoY0MPxVZbW3JXElh8PJHlnsBfs8yArSHgX4vD5z61CD0hW4HNmSUNmTa34dtQp 2NE2vQL7fQ8Cv3SXKH+iInv6mq24LZ6DyVDLTdYnPVh+3tYllCNDAsmoCedwbq4L QBOBUkcazDpu1hKzYCdEva/oJtBUrbKdp3zohPbGkkSAT1BoPc+/1raf9PJQCmPx jvdRCjGH1Iw34E39iXkmgIUqmHKktazbAS+0DwPa5QWrSkqK4IpUt2HVSjziLrDX zf1/F8Zf0nb2kw7iEFUqZlgj3qoTCaqs4Pu3xjf8sw7HRtTpm2TldcmiAsCZgN+M 1i5pwzcidnG0muJAprGIcWjdc9+qtJeYjQXAsKb+qyWVSF92z6A5ATq+IY11UpFV dmz6S0BPpng9O3df+iYJHq+LHHRGZUYND050LwJ0JaafHUVU+f5u6/jd75E5ljqF /rG/AuywOBpLdp8uBNe1LFyn4HeO4ITkjyhKinTzzYvf6iBFhAXzLq/ZzfZl7pSu j9h+lzhK/YyOFqm6nKs9edQ0AZTCKrpTsvv0zVWLZSb1ygeeqQ+xuzzSaXFj77tM GiPfltj6bGWFq+o7IrHy =ln77 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 11:59:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20ADEA1C006 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14B915F5 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id EDC91A1C005; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5D7A1C004 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x244.google.com (mail-io0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6EEE15F4 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by iofz202 with SMTP id z202so11785930iof.2 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 04:59:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rd8xls8sm25AYfPrSoKMC05ixWj1nd87x3w+7/LsNt4=; b=VGyjifGpZPjOXgQz5erE7JwPO+QhjCTl0xK1K8p7Tcs6I7Vi3i4pYkaJkOFMhTSYB1 2HRykvVXS/XCgIAaa08mDJq4IA4J3NWQ0fBbfcZtR0HZphrK03Rrv1U3eskfVIxVVLzA mFlBweXt/xyK19zOnk38vZ3v/u5AnLim2FpA4GhKrE5Vq0F9vPxx0+T2YfiSzotb/qfQ BXDqm5oaEHG9I3AzuWopOvyyay/P+DyhFRzU5b1WJuNEJzdJ7gu0gMDQmKZheRHjNsR0 +O5UMRZgFYUUzcvkKmkolvI1io3zbiDnKCFOqn24Fk4DharfC3KnI7wOR+OCHxnLewiB +Hkg== X-Received: by 10.107.34.78 with SMTP id i75mr6555046ioi.155.1445601546206; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 04:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-76-190-244-6.neo.res.rr.com. [76.190.244.6]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m29sm7740664iod.38.2015.10.23.04.59.05 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Oct 2015 04:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <562A210A.50306@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:59:06 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Venturoli CC: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu, m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> <5628FD40.1030701@netfence.it> <44eggme0ab.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <562A06F7.7090806@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: <562A06F7.7090806@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:59:07 -0000 > I just tried on the third box, so I guess hardware failure is out of the > picture. > > I installed a *fresh* 10.2/i386 with stock GENERIC kernel, no daemons > running, no ports installed, no fancy configs (just the above mentioned > lines to get the splash screen). > > "make kernel" reboots within minutes. > >> No, but splash(4) is part of the kernel, so it would be allowed to do >> that. > > That's what I meant: the problem must be in splash (or in the kernel > anyway), not in some other unspecified program. > > > > I'll just try and see if amd64 gives the same trouble and file a bug > report: I just wish I had some kernel message to include... > > > > bye & Thanks to all > av. > Just for laughs, add vesa_load="YES" to the 3rd box you just did a fresh install on and see what happens. What did you use for the install source? Was it the same source as what was used to build the box with the original splash problem? Did you run a checksum on that source? I run a boot splash screen on my 10.2 system without any problems. 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Best regards, Rahul Maurya Business Development Team Google Digital Market www.zenhancer.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 14:57:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA1AA1DD6F for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3297E911 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 2B08AA1DD6E; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8AAA1DD6D for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp206.alice.it (smtp206.alice.it [82.57.200.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CCA90F for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:57:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (79.32.6.132) by smtp206.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 56139B8302FC0C03 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:57:36 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t9NEvZpa071418 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:57:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash To: questions@freebsd.org References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> <5628FD40.1030701@netfence.it> <44eggme0ab.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <562A06F7.7090806@netfence.it> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <562A4ADF.7030800@netfence.it> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:57:35 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <562A06F7.7090806@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:57:45 -0000 On 10/23/15 12:07, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > I'll just try and see if amd64 gives the same trouble and file a bug > report: I just wish I had some kernel message to include... https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=203985 bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 15:08:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D6BA1DF58 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67993E46 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 65114A1DF57; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B7DA1DF56 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp207.alice.it (smtp207.alice.it [82.57.200.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43E5E44 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (79.32.6.132) by smtp207.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 55BB66530EE96F19; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:02:26 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t9NF2THK072456; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:02:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash To: Ernie Luzar References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> <5628FD40.1030701@netfence.it> <44eggme0ab.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <562A06F7.7090806@netfence.it> <562A210A.50306@gmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu, m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <562A4C05.80208@netfence.it> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:02:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <562A210A.50306@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:08:35 -0000 On 10/23/15 13:59, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Just for laughs, add vesa_load="YES" to the 3rd box you just did a fresh > install on and see what happens. Unfortunally I already nuked that installation, in order to try amd64. > What did you use for the install source? > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/i386/ISO-IMAGES/10.2/FreeBSD-10.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img > Was it the same source as what > was used to build the box with the original splash problem? Can't tell, as I did not build the original one myself. > Did you run a checksum on that source? Both MD5 and SHA256 are correct. > I run a boot splash screen on my 10.2 system without any problems. Is it i386? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 15:55:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7A1A1DBAA for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:55:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com) Received: from emkei.cz (unknown [IPv6:2a01:5e0:36:5001::20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6302160 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:55:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com) Received: by emkei.cz (Postfix, from userid 33) id 9009FD5796; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:03:13 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Documentation Project: Is it just me or anyone is interested in reading the FAQ and Hand From: "John" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Errors-To: m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com Reply-To: m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <20151023160313.9009FD5796@emkei.cz> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:03:12 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:55:07 -0000 I've been reading long articles, web pages on the Kindle for years and have no problems converting most HTML pages to Kindle format. However, I just learned the FAQ and Handbook are not plain simple [Single HTML] files converting fine with default settings with Calibre to ebook, but in 'XML DocBook' format (never heard of it before) which convert to an ebook containing its main content in a table with Calibre conversion (with default settings), which less so readable. The reason I'm asking if it is only my interest, or, perhaps can be in the interest of many is, if the latter, then it would be useful to make information on how to get the documentation in Kindle or EPUB format more clearly visible on the page - or, perhaps even offer direct downloads - , as I guess more people are familiar with these - and maybe even find them more useful - than 'XML DocBook.' How do I get the documentation to my reading device easily? Internet searches were not so helpful. Disclaimer: I'm also not a web developer. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 16:06:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCF3A1DE79 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jungleboogie0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x229.google.com (mail-vk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B5ECB1A for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jungleboogie0@gmail.com) Received: by vkgs66 with SMTP id s66so6497813vkg.1 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cKKAS2VDuRnMS3K9C4VMTprxDJngz7O5kR6Pjnhm7TU=; b=D7d92VD7u4Dv0ct7wJqbK1/wi+l6q/Tjcnyba6lJLlP58UpV3lys8+ddC4NjxbLJjc Yd1KqR3ezdgBiR3ZyRtMhraW8AwHt6mgcrvS4Zq+4cZogwLh3rLCviavKl5HB4AhvbQs Afy7aOtdtsfFD74fFw4f5lYscv2NHSKi3P2NQZ/0QioJTGRtuc8r+GIT7Y1yOFGVS/pM o5H9HJwoRFEfhSaCDvYZ6HAFCnEB9PDjQ/EQk/30uI0OcUlrGgigx8baCLeX73cL6DIW WlXRjAYfq7X1/uQaJ+/IDKQf3dDUPyYpOwAbgDWIrAS+lAjkBIuhuWIrHKEanIh0QlTl LiiQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.49.213 with SMTP id x204mr13873424vkx.51.1445616375176; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.55.130 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20151023160313.9009FD5796@emkei.cz> References: <20151023160313.9009FD5796@emkei.cz> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:06:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Documentation Project: Is it just me or anyone is interested in reading the FAQ and Hand From: jungle Boogie To: m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:06:16 -0000 On 23 October 2015 at 09:03, John via freebsd-questions wrote: > How do I get the documentation to my reading device easily? Internet searches were not so helpful. Disclaimer: I'm also not a web developer. You mean like this: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ There's not an epub format but a pdf, txt, rtf, html and ps -- ------- inum: 883510009027723 sip: jungleboogie@sip2sip.info xmpp: jungle-boogie@jit.si From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 17:43:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32BCA1D6F2 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:43:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mx1.eichornenterprises.com (mx1.eichornenterprises.com [104.236.13.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.eichornenterprises.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A34DEE34 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:43:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mail.eichornenterprises.com (cpe-75-179-47-202.neo.res.rr.com [75.179.47.202]) by mx1.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1e772afc; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 6f1509a5; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string From: "Michael B. Eichorn" To: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:45:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-512"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-6KUt5cLyufS2Gb5vDwad" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:43:03 -0000 --=-6KUt5cLyufS2Gb5vDwad Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:08 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given by > "uname -a" > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. I presume you intendend 'hide' here? If you want to scrub a binaries of _all_ information about the building system this is a problem Debian is actively working on called 'reproducible builds' but is not possible today. https://reproducible.debian.net If you want to hide the hostname, why not just build with a different hostname set? >=20 > Is there a way to achieve this via setting some knobs in the process of > a > buildkernel? >=20 > Please CC me, I'm not subscriber of the list. >=20 > Kind regards and thanks in advance, >=20 > O. 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AAAAAA== --=-6KUt5cLyufS2Gb5vDwad-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 17:48:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACDDA1D808 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yk0-x235.google.com (mail-yk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D06FFA3 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by ykba4 with SMTP id a4so121648345ykb.3 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:48:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=bfmvGQ1d70rDFVy2n65fbPn+rrBoAB1B2IMMqlwlKYY=; b=dXbkjbjY8kh4eT+ibVKwb10bdK2MM5Mq/BFrZ7u9d5siZ8BnqhjbOWpOncxWNVtEUV ZZVLpXnPGz9H42dU/f20BVQMa0ZuGX49OHYdkc8NqqkMfI6mpqXolc51mX5a9Cm2XrbO 4BztkA9X4WFGIBa9eZ8QDRd8C6XQmANNpUaOyPIZMhESBRrHzgsfRcO9hrraib/0K4kX RPHwE8pq2RebWIMLnPJR3KFUlZzVBnFdPNkWxHkZ5CuIYUw+O4mNKjIayYDKqJFA3mg3 ++jurePYHjVWPpJBws5dxT/+biZrRS8eVeDrLQaM1M7TuZCZZ1UdZ0GPb3F532lAzsqI ytHw== X-Received: by 10.129.103.7 with SMTP id b7mr1214115ywc.293.1445622486286; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:48:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.196.195 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:47:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> From: Michael Schuster Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:47:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string To: "Michael B. Eichorn" Cc: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:48:07 -0000 I seem to remember there's a trick using dtrace where you intercept the uname syscall/library call .. that was on Solaris, though, don't know how that would map onto FreeBSD. regards Michael On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Michael B. Eichorn wrote: > On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:08 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given by > > "uname -a" > > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. > > I presume you intendend 'hide' here? > > If you want to scrub a binaries of _all_ information about the building > system this is a problem Debian is actively working on called > 'reproducible builds' but is not possible today. > > https://reproducible.debian.net > > If you want to hide the hostname, why not just build with a different > hostname set? > > > > > Is there a way to achieve this via setting some knobs in the process of > > a > > buildkernel? > > > > Please CC me, I'm not subscriber of the list. > > > > Kind regards and thanks in advance, > > > > O. Hartmann > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 18:06:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C7BA1DAE0 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:06:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04563A85 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:06:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8F890CB8CB7; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:06:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:06:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <58311.128.135.52.6.1445623599.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:06:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Michael Schuster" Cc: "Michael B. Eichorn" , "O. Hartmann" , "freebsd-questions" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:06:46 -0000 On Fri, October 23, 2015 12:47 pm, Michael Schuster wrote: > I seem to remember there's a trick using dtrace where you intercept the > uname syscall/library call .. that was on Solaris, though, don't know how > that would map onto FreeBSD. You needed some privileges for dtrace though... unlike uname. And you needed binaries compiled appropriately to use dtrace. Valeri > > regards > Michael > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Michael B. Eichorn > > wrote: > >> On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:08 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: >> > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given by >> > "uname -a" >> > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. >> >> I presume you intendend 'hide' here? >> >> If you want to scrub a binaries of _all_ information about the building >> system this is a problem Debian is actively working on called >> 'reproducible builds' but is not possible today. >> >> https://reproducible.debian.net >> >> If you want to hide the hostname, why not just build with a different >> hostname set? >> >> > >> > Is there a way to achieve this via setting some knobs in the process >> of >> > a >> > buildkernel? >> > >> > Please CC me, I'm not subscriber of the list. >> > >> > Kind regards and thanks in advance, >> > >> > O. Hartmann >> > > > > -- > Michael Schuster > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 18:07:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29224A1DB72 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mx1.eichornenterprises.com (mx1.eichornenterprises.com [104.236.13.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.eichornenterprises.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDB2AB6A for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:07:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mail.eichornenterprises.com (cpe-75-179-47-202.neo.res.rr.com [75.179.47.202]) by mx1.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 752a7b05; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id e933666b; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1445623830.1169.44.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string From: "Michael B. Eichorn" To: Michael Schuster Cc: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:10:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-512"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-2O+BW23vZDTlqzYIYPZM" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:07:55 -0000 --=-2O+BW23vZDTlqzYIYPZM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 19:47 +0200, Michael Schuster wrote: > I seem to remember there's a trick using dtrace where you intercept the > uname syscall/library call .. that was on Solaris, though, don't know > how > that would map onto FreeBSD. >=20 > regards > Michael But doesn't that only block uname? What about 'strings'? If the concern is security I would think it would be best not to compile the information in at all. The build system was designed to share the build hostname not hide it after all. >=20 > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Michael B. Eichorn < > ike@michaeleichorn.com> > wrote: >=20 > > On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:08 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > > > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given by > > > "uname -a" > > > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. > >=20 > > I presume you intendend 'hide' here? > >=20 > > If you want to scrub a binaries of _all_ information about the > > building > > system this is a problem Debian is actively working on called > > 'reproducible builds' but is not possible today. > >=20 > > https://reproducible.debian.net > >=20 > > If you want to hide the hostname, why not just build with a different > > hostname set? > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Is there a way to achieve this via setting some knobs in the > > > process of > > > a > > > buildkernel? > > >=20 > > > Please CC me, I'm not subscriber of the list. > > >=20 > > > Kind regards and thanks in advance, > > >=20 > > > O. 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[63.231.132.20]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d6sm8374697ioe.30.2015.10.23.12.24.04 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:24:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151021143525.GX87605@mordor.lan> <86lhaw107r.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151022131510.GY87605@mordor.lan> From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Julien Cigar Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions , krad Subject: Re: gjournal and TRIM: A safe combination? In-reply-to: <20151022131510.GY87605@mordor.lan> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:24:03 -0500 Message-ID: <86bnbpjsmk.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:24:13 -0000 Julien Cigar writes: > This is where gjournal (and data=journal on EXT-like FS) comes in as > datas and metadatas are written in the journal _before_, so you avoid > corruption and data loss. This was my rationale when opting for gjournal. I figured the extra layer of journaling rather than soft updates alone might be worthwhile, but if it's not intended for use on an SSD, not necessarily better than soft updates alone, and overkill on an old laptop, then I'll just do without it. Thanks for the input, folks. Take care. -- ================================================================= :: Brandon Wandersee :: :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: ================================================================== 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.' - Douglas Adams ================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 19:30:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D467A1D969 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EDD841 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7847EA1D968; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DF9A1D967 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x242.google.com (mail-io0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4073083E for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by iofz202 with SMTP id z202so12965273iof.2 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:30:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=y12mNV4wpXW8UfTWAeh3w8Iqdv2PDMtDvayfZCXAoww=; b=Z7Sv4mosyvbiCE8D+oW2dz9iyRDQAtumlfLgImbMQCCykmsqH0WqGMIEmHyHrG2KYu jMWmCdhTLulhCe5ruobZ3XNN69etuwSESLOgGX7NX2i7SC1IBeeVoNbzNCeBg1aDBj9C B8Mf7dMHaeUo6EEOvoevUF8ZvUC1nGMvVhJqmpkFeeXuO0bq3ue9lf6LPJDjYBnhlKI6 Xo/ZjEv7afCKPujCofGOJTq/jO0EbvwtIpKiycgWBpiCQxmoXEbThnVOPSiHqLc1NgMl 4mZQOWQyjNsTLqE6TYyGbp4di+OndK0hv+JqND/VrH2+B3qY9PJVcrIyirw6JC4rKxbB tRWw== X-Received: by 10.107.36.15 with SMTP id k15mr23606775iok.61.1445628653764; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-76-190-244-6.neo.res.rr.com. [76.190.244.6]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d21sm8384395ioj.27.2015.10.23.12.30.52 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <562A8AEE.1010108@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:30:54 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Venturoli CC: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu, m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> <5628FD40.1030701@netfence.it> <44eggme0ab.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <562A06F7.7090806@netfence.it> <562A210A.50306@gmail.com> <562A4C05.80208@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: <562A4C05.80208@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:54 -0000 Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 10/23/15 13:59, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> Just for laughs, add vesa_load="YES" to the 3rd box you just did a fresh >> install on and see what happens. > > Unfortunally I already nuked that installation, in order to try amd64. > > Then try it on the original box where this problem came to light. > >> What did you use for the install source? > >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/i386/ISO-IMAGES/10.2/FreeBSD-10.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img >> > > > >> Was it the same source as what >> was used to build the box with the original splash problem? > > Can't tell, as I did not build the original one myself. > > > >> Did you run a checksum on that source? > > Both MD5 and SHA256 are correct. > > > >> I run a boot splash screen on my 10.2 system without any problems. > > Is it i386? YES, but i am using the vesa_load="YES" statement. First custom BOOT splash screen was on FreeBSD version 3.0. I have moved it up to every new version as it became available with out any problems. Now I do remember that I had some kind of problem with the screen size and format used. vesa_load="YES" statement fixed what ever the exact problem I was having at that time. > > > bye & Thanks > av. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 20:54:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF5AA1DA5F for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 20:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0A22DCB for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 20:54:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1ZpjM5-001D46-Jg>; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:54:29 +0200 Received: from f052133133.adsl.alicedsl.de ([78.52.133.133] helo=thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1ZpjM5-0036c7-DO>; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:54:29 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:54:24 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: "Michael B. Eichorn" Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string Message-ID: <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/Y3FBaL+sGqHANM.blPdht2M"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Originating-IP: 78.52.133.133 X-ZEDAT-Hint: A X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 20:54:32 -0000 --Sig_/Y3FBaL+sGqHANM.blPdht2M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:45:25 -0400 "Michael B. Eichorn" schrieb: First of all: Thank you very much for your concerns and answers. > On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:08 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given by > > "uname -a" > > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. =20 >=20 > I presume you intendend 'hide' here? >=20 > If you want to scrub a binaries of _all_ information about the building > system this is a problem Debian is actively working on called > 'reproducible builds' but is not possible today. >=20 > https://reproducible.debian.net >=20 > If you want to hide the hostname, why not just build with a different > hostname set? Because it is not only the hostname, uname reveals the target host, date an= d OS version. In our case, the image ist built on a dedicated host for a security appliab= ce based on NanoBSD and I'd like to hide the OS type, the OS name, the build box' name = and the build date.=20 >=20 > >=20 > > Is there a way to achieve this via setting some knobs in the process of > > a > > buildkernel? > >=20 > > Please CC me, I'm not subscriber of the list. > >=20 > > Kind regards and thanks in advance, > >=20 > > O. Hartmann =20 --Sig_/Y3FBaL+sGqHANM.blPdht2M Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWKp6AAAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8yqQH/2BI1F9LodnasP9KCAVlVgAL kzRgcNo/bvqVPcUcUfk15CNTlRYCiyZmo0u/5cLHBiYTemqHCrcZhB/JH2oXaltn AKZhsGVcB+2P73Gx2B0261QrxQnxoGaBIXo736UqPB0jJPTM3fV2shVpuDh7oW0b XaGfHLQ4+NU++eeyjwViJDrq+VFDDNaWXG5ZaUe3Orb8U9PRqnuFXulBz23XdLn1 Tcuv434SI9urxyMgqjz/oDwTwgQ0g4Tbwh22hqdGffAxdgzIP5fj8ywH4mQw11JC 537rTuUKwkVp3AYNNxuT6fVsUI+ICkstugacD0bSGve1yovQsNW8RTF8Dftz03k= =NEq3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/Y3FBaL+sGqHANM.blPdht2M-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 21:30:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0242DA1C459 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48121863 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id E51E9A1C458; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C8AA1C456 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from host203.r-bonomi.com (host203.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62411860 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by host203.r-bonomi.com (8.14.9/8.14.7) id t9NL8mHw003923 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:08:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bonomi) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:08:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201510232108.t9NL8mHw003923@host203.r-bonomi.com> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: does anybody know how to get the 'texlive-base' port to build? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:30:38 -0000 I've to the 20150521 source tarball, butwhen I try to build, i get an 'unexpected configuration failure' regarding 'kpathsea'. The README down several levels in the work directory says it's part of the distribution, but an exhaustive search of the work tree fails to find it. \ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 22:17:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89B4A1CD20 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:17:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stoa@gmx.us) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DC72E9C for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:17:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stoa@gmx.us) Received: from slack ([24.116.197.15]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LnwxU-1aR07C1uFU-00fw83 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 00:11:42 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:11:33 -0500 From: Dutch Ingraham To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: does anybody know how to get the 'texlive-base' port to build? 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Might be worth a read. 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Hartmann" Cc: "Michael B. Eichorn" , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string Message-ID: <20151023225524.GJ31202@mailboy.kipshouse.net> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-URL: http://www.kipshouse.org/karly X-Work-URL: http://www.cisco.com/ X-Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-12-10) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:05:47 -0000 O. Hartmann(ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de)@2015.10.23 22:54:24 +0200: > Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:45:25 -0400 > "Michael B. Eichorn" schrieb: > > > First of all: Thank you very much for your concerns and answers. > > > On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:08 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > > > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given by > > > "uname -a" > > > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. > > > > I presume you intendend 'hide' here? > > > > If you want to scrub a binaries of _all_ information about the building > > system this is a problem Debian is actively working on called > > 'reproducible builds' but is not possible today. > > > > https://reproducible.debian.net > > > > If you want to hide the hostname, why not just build with a different > > hostname set? > > Because it is not only the hostname, uname reveals the target host, date and OS version. > > In our case, the image ist built on a dedicated host for a security appliabce based on > NanoBSD and I'd like to hide the OS type, the OS name, the build box' name and the build > date. Perhaps you could mv or rm /usr/bin/uname and replace it with your own script or binary that outputs whatever you want it to. -karl > > > > > > > > > Is there a way to achieve this via setting some knobs in the process of > > > a > > > buildkernel? > > > > > > Please CC me, I'm not subscriber of the list. > > > > > > Kind regards and thanks in advance, > > > > > > O. Hartmann > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 23:06:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8396A1D61A for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mx1.eichornenterprises.com (mx1.eichornenterprises.com [104.236.13.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.eichornenterprises.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8502214D6 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mail.eichornenterprises.com (cpe-75-179-47-202.neo.res.rr.com [75.179.47.202]) by mx1.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 54129c5c; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 788a8f2a; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1445641755.13154.27.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string From: "Michael B. Eichorn" To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-questions Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:09:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-512"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-sjgSaHuQyMrfAUJIX9w+" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:06:40 -0000 --=-sjgSaHuQyMrfAUJIX9w+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 22:54 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:45:25 -0400 > "Michael B. Eichorn" schrieb: >=20 >=20 > First of all: Thank you very much for your concerns and answers. >=20 > > On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:08 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > > > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given by > > > "uname -a" > > > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. =20 > >=20 > > I presume you intendend 'hide' here? > >=20 > > If you want to scrub a binaries of _all_ information about the > > building > > system this is a problem Debian is actively working on called > > 'reproducible builds' but is not possible today. > >=20 > > https://reproducible.debian.net > >=20 > > If you want to hide the hostname, why not just build with a different > > hostname set? >=20 > Because it is not only the hostname, uname reveals the target host, > date and OS version. >=20 > In our case, the image ist built on a dedicated host for a security > appliabce based on > NanoBSD and I'd like to hide the OS type, the OS name, the build box' > name and the build > date.=20 I guess the next question is *who* are you hiding this from? There are probably a few ways to hide from a non-root user. Conversely hiding from root or a hardware attacker is probably impossible without modifing the source code. Also note that including the legally REQUIRED copyright licenses there will be a sufficient fingerprint to determine that the software is FreeBSD based. There may also be consequences for hiding/changing the output of uname. 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Eichorn" To: Karl Young , "O. Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-questions Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:20:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20151023225524.GJ31202@mailboy.kipshouse.net> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20151023225524.GJ31202@mailboy.kipshouse.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-512"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-cHw2JaCBfLUBR/J3go8b" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:18:06 -0000 --=-cHw2JaCBfLUBR/J3go8b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 15:55 -0700, Karl Young wrote: >=20 > O. Hartmann(ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de)@2015.10.23 22:54:24 +0200: > > Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:45:25 -0400 > > "Michael B. Eichorn" schrieb: > >=20 > >=20 > > First of all: Thank you very much for your concerns and answers. > >=20 > > > On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:08 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > > > > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given > > > > by > > > > "uname -a" > > > > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. =20 > > >=20 > > > I presume you intendend 'hide' here? > > >=20 > > > If you want to scrub a binaries of _all_ information about the > > > building > > > system this is a problem Debian is actively working on called > > > 'reproducible builds' but is not possible today. > > >=20 > > > https://reproducible.debian.net > > >=20 > > > If you want to hide the hostname, why not just build with a > > > different > > > hostname set? > >=20 > > Because it is not only the hostname, uname reveals the target host, > > date and OS version. > >=20 > > In our case, the image ist built on a dedicated host for a security > > appliabce based on > > NanoBSD and I'd like to hide the OS type, the OS name, the build box' > > name and the build > > date.=20 >=20 > Perhaps you could mv or rm /usr/bin/uname and replace it with your own > script or binary that outputs whatever you want it to. >=20 > -karl To make that work you would need to do a lot of work to prevent the user from using a copy of the original uname (or something similar). The information is actually in the kernel itself, uname is just mechanism to report it. 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h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GFJBSl+GJojjUnGldNPXXuhr7ZQ8ZOivMX1O1IvyMzg=; b=ie/4LarcFiaejNdI7GHN/Of7K9GkAbzv/xeFE6Sdj50EjT7qv5onB0pep04o2yezyz /bRn2Wj02Bkisvz7g3Es9Zec0Q//vc4giOQ+bkMmcRL/bq0utmw7vo+F3OOzqNuJYhhO 8kDFUlBLWh/ngjCJ+LKzDsybxe/LzFxQ9wljmsW2j9Zde+Znj8uty24eKnGa+AIgVjXu 7SpOVnQXm+nClR8VVLJLqyvO394wVXBxwyFK6SfJWu2oFjHoLd3HHImKDTZ+ta4CJ9cV qqmqjOp1EwNbKpTesUTd8AKQK0fvVbYukrtYpB8wXRePePrVGs1gaR7sJoV5JHqOMLJG BSeA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.187.178 with SMTP id ft18mr7744370wic.10.1445642504013; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.16.231 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:21:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string From: Adam Vande More To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:21:47 -0000 On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 2:08 AM, O. Hartmann wrote: > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given by "uname > -a" > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. > > Is there a way to achieve this via setting some knobs in the process of a > buildkernel? > At least some of the info from uname is generated during build from newvers.sh stuff. There are multiple files named that and I'm not sure which does what. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 00:09:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D6CA1D499 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 00:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADE61121D for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 00:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=znbem1NpSo/bE61SFCu/k9wvPdEC1iYaIShWTk6dqMg=; b=Zcaek8OP2EgRqZF1PF/DxGpbJj PKOnhgnHASYuUh7HkWGyJwCC2pA3ujqKXYxoaom9ezDXT//MuJWE5nUomIj0QCu4gdkMkmQgLQCuU IlWEwF1ycZeagzy3NqaCeRcpBHI8cpMXcIGXc/ZHuN4s4fXiHgOT7IL3LP2lrXxXC8+8=; Received: from [114.121.133.234] (port=53026 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpmP2-003oLB-GC; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:09:45 -0600 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:09:36 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: "Michael B. Eichorn" , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string Message-ID: <20151024080936.0ff26783@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Authenticated-Sender: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 00:09:51 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:54:24 +0200 "O. Hartmann" wrote: > Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:45:25 -0400 > "Michael B. Eichorn" schrieb: > > > First of all: Thank you very much for your concerns and answers. > > > On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:08 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > > > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given by > > > "uname -a" > > > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. > > > > I presume you intendend 'hide' here? > > > > If you want to scrub a binaries of _all_ information about the > > building system this is a problem Debian is actively working on > > called 'reproducible builds' but is not possible today. > > > > https://reproducible.debian.net > > > > If you want to hide the hostname, why not just build with a > > different hostname set? > > Because it is not only the hostname, uname reveals the target host, > date and OS version. > > In our case, the image ist built on a dedicated host for a security > appliabce based on NanoBSD and I'd like to hide the OS type, the OS > name, the build box' name and the build date. > why not replace uname at the source level then? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 03:53:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E93AA1B7B1 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 03:53:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mx1.eichornenterprises.com (mx1.eichornenterprises.com [104.236.13.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.eichornenterprises.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE06DC93 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 03:53:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mail.eichornenterprises.com (cpe-75-179-47-202.neo.res.rr.com [75.179.47.202]) by mx1.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 422969ba; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id a73f8045; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1445658972.13154.44.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string From: "Michael B. Eichorn" To: Erich Dollansky , "O. Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-questions Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:56:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20151024080936.0ff26783@X220.alogt.com> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20151024080936.0ff26783@X220.alogt.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-512"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-7JJGn9BKVa4rccJ2V/l5" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 03:53:39 -0000 --=-7JJGn9BKVa4rccJ2V/l5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 08:09 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:54:24 +0200 > "O. Hartmann" wrote: >=20 > > Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:45:25 -0400 > > "Michael B. Eichorn" schrieb: > >=20 > >=20 > > First of all: Thank you very much for your concerns and answers. > >=20 > > > On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:08 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > > > > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given > > > > by > > > > "uname -a" > > > > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. =20 > > >=20 > > > I presume you intendend 'hide' here? > > >=20 > > > If you want to scrub a binaries of _all_ information about the > > > building system this is a problem Debian is actively working on > > > called 'reproducible builds' but is not possible today. > > >=20 > > > https://reproducible.debian.net > > >=20 > > > If you want to hide the hostname, why not just build with a > > > different hostname set? > >=20 > > Because it is not only the hostname, uname reveals the target host, > > date and OS version. > >=20 > > In our case, the image ist built on a dedicated host for a security > > appliabce based on NanoBSD and I'd like to hide the OS type, the OS > > name, the build box' name and the build date.=20 > >=20 > why not replace uname at the source level then? >=20 > Erich That wouldn't hide the information in any substantial way. Uname is basically an abstraction of a subset of sysctls. As such, the information is integral to the kernel itself. Uname is just one of many tools that can be used to display this information. 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22:29:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t9O4TwaE078717; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:29:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:29:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Documentation Project: Is it just me or anyone is interested in reading the FAQ and Hand In-Reply-To: <20151023160313.9009FD5796@emkei.cz> Message-ID: References: <20151023160313.9009FD5796@emkei.cz> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:29:58 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:30:06 -0000 On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, John via freebsd-questions wrote: > I've been reading long articles, web pages on the Kindle for years and > have no problems converting most HTML pages to Kindle format. However, > I just learned the FAQ and Handbook are not plain simple [Single HTML] > files converting fine with default settings with Calibre to ebook, but > in 'XML DocBook' format (never heard of it before) which convert to an > ebook containing its main content in a table with Calibre conversion > (with default settings), which less so readable. Sorry, having trouble following the question. The documentation sources are in DocBook XML. Several output file formats are generated from those sources, including split ("chunked") HTML, single HTML, PDF, and other formats. The HTML documents have a link at the start to choose the single or split form. > The reason I'm asking if it is only my interest, or, perhaps can be in > the interest of many is, if the latter, then it would be useful to > make information on how to get the documentation in Kindle or EPUB > format more clearly visible on the page - or, perhaps even offer > direct downloads - , as I guess more people are familiar with these - > and maybe even find them more useful - than 'XML DocBook.' We should offer EPUB formats. I do not have a device that uses them, but understood they could be created from PDFs. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 05:08:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EA0A1C9B9 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 05:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 522FA17FD for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 05:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=HqY9fdngXC9/K/HFatDZ5TMaQfrxVSGYMSqw+HmfmKE=; b=W4vb7HDWcXUNKAJhk7/1HV+bTn wIm1+EhaFY7x/A84E8we6sPoHT0pWASBnA8kWvpKNAl2XhUnlYBZB2LZano4Zfpl5hKZ0yqWzKUEB aDsjomv8CL2hbiqmu8ShRsm7J/OpQgX/qDWfWlP3wMtGLvA+MS2WCU7e6VDwwP2/jH18=; Received: from [114.121.157.99] (port=61027 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1Zpr4X-001acj-4y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:08:53 -0600 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 13:08:48 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string Message-ID: <20151024130848.0a7e946f@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <1445658972.13154.44.camel@michaeleichorn.com> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20151024080936.0ff26783@X220.alogt.com> <1445658972.13154.44.camel@michaeleichorn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Authenticated-Sender: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 05:08:55 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:56:12 -0400 "Michael B. Eichorn" wrote: > On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 08:09 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:54:24 +0200 > > "O. Hartmann" wrote: > > > Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:45:25 -0400 > > > "Michael B. Eichorn" schrieb: > > > Because it is not only the hostname, uname reveals the target > > > host, date and OS version. > > > > > > In our case, the image ist built on a dedicated host for a > > > security appliabce based on NanoBSD and I'd like to hide the OS > > > type, the OS name, the build box' name and the build date. > > > > > why not replace uname at the source level then? > > That wouldn't hide the information in any substantial way. Uname is > basically an abstraction of a subset of sysctls. As such, the > information is integral to the kernel itself. Uname is just one of > many tools that can be used to display this information. > > Fundamentally the kernel itself needs to be changed not uname. we have too little information what would be sufficient for him as we do not know from whom he wants to hide this. I do not believe that serious hackers would use uname to identify the target. As somebody else has mentioned, changing the copyright notice in the kernel would have a legal impact. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 07:58:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38536A1D608 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 07:58:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE8FA144E for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 07:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Zptiu-002rDI-T5>; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:58:44 +0200 Received: from f052150151.adsl.alicedsl.de ([78.52.150.151] helo=thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1Zptiu-003mZG-L6>; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:58:44 +0200 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:58:39 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: "Michael B. Eichorn" Cc: Erich Dollansky , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string Message-ID: <20151024095839.2da2cb97.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <1445658972.13154.44.camel@michaeleichorn.com> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20151024080936.0ff26783@X220.alogt.com> <1445658972.13154.44.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/gbI3SmYpI9o0MaKG.Z2xNQu"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Originating-IP: 78.52.150.151 X-ZEDAT-Hint: A X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 07:58:56 -0000 --Sig_/gbI3SmYpI9o0MaKG.Z2xNQu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:56:12 -0400 "Michael B. Eichorn" schrieb: > On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 08:09 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:54:24 +0200 > > "O. Hartmann" wrote: > > =20 > > > Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:45:25 -0400 > > > "Michael B. Eichorn" schrieb: > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > First of all: Thank you very much for your concerns and answers. > > > =20 > > > > On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:08 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: =20 > > > > > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given > > > > > by > > > > > "uname -a" > > > > > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. =20 > > > >=20 > > > > I presume you intendend 'hide' here? > > > >=20 > > > > If you want to scrub a binaries of _all_ information about the > > > > building system this is a problem Debian is actively working on > > > > called 'reproducible builds' but is not possible today. > > > >=20 > > > > https://reproducible.debian.net > > > >=20 > > > > If you want to hide the hostname, why not just build with a > > > > different hostname set? =20 > > >=20 > > > Because it is not only the hostname, uname reveals the target host, > > > date and OS version. > > >=20 > > > In our case, the image ist built on a dedicated host for a security > > > appliabce based on NanoBSD and I'd like to hide the OS type, the OS > > > name, the build box' name and the build date.=20 > > > =20 > > why not replace uname at the source level then? > >=20 > > Erich =20 >=20 > That wouldn't hide the information in any substantial way. Uname is > basically an abstraction of a subset of sysctls. As such, the information > is integral to the kernel itself. Uname is just one of many tools that > can be used to display this information. >=20 > Fundamentally the kernel itself needs to be changed not uname. I'm well aware of that fact. At many places, the build-process sets variabl= es from the outside world while building binaries and kernel and since I build everythi= ng from scratch, I intend to manipulate those variables - if possible. --Sig_/gbI3SmYpI9o0MaKG.Z2xNQu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWKzovAAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8dXUH/3iElYg/ZDi6vE5yqItk9KaN Y7wxyUwvEhU6nQouIrR8MCuhzig6ksSG5tGBv5FRH8s2u1UYjxb0ZR7rjCH6K+Qg /tuHNqgPjjhCZnDYDfsY9blGrj9ajlMjhtsEtcW9YhfNf0tcKdBNx2EGKyq86SYr +ejw0LIk9ggdijJIPuS4jug5lhRIhU0MQFvUgA+eujljKCWloYPeQEGhWsEYhGpH LEH4/PbOlZM8+/63vkNxqDYXBFb3R6/DYfXAvXOihv3p1sdvpbaMehdjhxU9mtIo KFHyAmQ7BdZr6UTxqjBBEvKWXk9yB3AG1w6VQo8XvyHOU276wlgT15hzer6Zi5A= =a7rV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/gbI3SmYpI9o0MaKG.Z2xNQu-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 08:12:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A0FA1DAAA for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DD9A1A6F for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id t9O86rRM051070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:06:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id t9O86qfi051069; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:06:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA06783; Sat, 24 Oct 15 01:09:54 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:09:55 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com Cc: ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string Message-Id: <562b3cd3.1J6RucNX8xldmcgb%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20151024080936.0ff26783@X220.alogt.com> <1445658972.13154.44.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151024130848.0a7e946f@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20151024130848.0a7e946f@X220.alogt.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:12:11 -0000 [restored the OP's Cc as requested in the initial post] Erich Dollansky wrote: > As somebody else has mentioned, changing the copyright notice in > the kernel would have a legal impact. As the System 5 settlement of some years ago emphasized, concealing the origin of the code is one of the very few things that may *not* legally be done under the BSD license. Not that this should be at all a problem: security that depends on such obscurities is worth very little against any but the most casual attacker. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 08:22:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F9FA1DC4C for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A06B1D92 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Zpu5l-002vFe-PN>; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:22:21 +0200 Received: from f052150151.adsl.alicedsl.de ([78.52.150.151] helo=thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1Zpu5l-003oHZ-HT>; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:22:21 +0200 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:22:20 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Cc: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string Message-ID: <20151024102220.72af9738.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <562b3cd3.1J6RucNX8xldmcgb%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20151024080936.0ff26783@X220.alogt.com> <1445658972.13154.44.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151024130848.0a7e946f@X220.alogt.com> <562b3cd3.1J6RucNX8xldmcgb%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/IloAHA9NlUaregQxepvlLSH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Originating-IP: 78.52.150.151 X-ZEDAT-Hint: A X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:22:33 -0000 --Sig_/IloAHA9NlUaregQxepvlLSH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:09:55 -0700 perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) schrieb: > [restored the OP's Cc as requested in the initial post] >=20 > Erich Dollansky wrote: >=20 > > As somebody else has mentioned, changing the copyright notice in > > the kernel would have a legal impact. =20 >=20 > As the System 5 settlement of some years ago emphasized, concealing > the origin of the code is one of the very few things that may *not* > legally be done under the BSD license. >=20 > Not that this should be at all a problem: security that depends > on such obscurities is worth very little against any but the most > casual attacker. Well, well, this gets now out of hands and I do not want to be bothered by = this law gibberish. I understand the importance of Copyright notes and the world sho= uld definitely know that I/we are using FreeBSD as our platform and not a commerical UNIX = or even Linux, but there are some minor aspects I wish not to float around the world. I do not want to hide the copyright notes. I simply want to hide the machin= e on which the kernel and world has been built since this machine is in most security appl= iances not the machine the binaries are running on! So I guess this is definitely somethin= g worth to hide, since "uname(8)" reveals informations someone wants to hide. Second, it is, for the impact of skript kiddies, somehow of use to hide the= OS' revision/version. And by the way, in some areas within the structure of companies or governme= nt hiding such informations is a feature that is explicitely or part of a catalogue of asp= ects to meet. --Sig_/IloAHA9NlUaregQxepvlLSH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWKz+8AAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8DZ8IAI6Gk54ScyN3gtzlca7yQPgF TPcqz3XWR+6BDQqY6Yt+yGa7JMwEof0VFQaEs3F++0EJnv7xbbLPuNBzWRnjfScQ MT0udG/cSe6OSO34Nf/u6qt80DiB7M3u9rMNnJjCvE8F+f+4bKykaXCfg3IOwchs h2mGTqLU7vyWfeQ33wKnBnJ9hpCqeg2b2q9AjqHTdmSD/Q8w4zID2DlOyaI8P6Fx id0wk826tt0sYyjznFOMtNpXRKyAKq9iFhVFIAaH7qqG16sm9iqlelxn8uSmUzZe UDZYec1xZ4viRgUIIq3/2t4lel7iazMWj1jz0Vs2Efycr6VN5pbkGYSV+LRHNGg= =Si6v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/IloAHA9NlUaregQxepvlLSH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 08:40:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549E5A1DED8 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DB18196 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:40:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-13-119.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.13.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F9D03CE16; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:33:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t9O8Xlpt002636; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:33:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:33:47 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string Message-Id: <20151024103347.393e3bea.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20151024102220.72af9738.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20151024080936.0ff26783@X220.alogt.com> <1445658972.13154.44.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151024130848.0a7e946f@X220.alogt.com> <562b3cd3.1J6RucNX8xldmcgb%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20151024102220.72af9738.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:40:11 -0000 On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:22:20 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > I do not want to hide the copyright notes. I simply want to hide the machine on which the > kernel and world has been built since this machine is in most security appliances not the > machine the binaries are running on! This is possible by several means. If you want to hide "root@whatever.example.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/THENAME" from the "uname -a" output (I think this is what you're looking for), you can do the following: 1. Use a different account for building, not "root". 2. Temporarily (or separatedly!) set a different host name. 3. Do not use a "descriptive name" for the kernel configuration file. 4. Adjust the system's clock to report a wrong date, and make sure no background process will set the clock correctly (e. g. NTP). > So I guess this is definitely something worth to > hide, since "uname(8)" reveals informations someone wants to hide. This information, as it has been explained, is stored with the resulting kernel itself and can be queried by more than one mechanism. That's why hiding it during the build process will fit your needs better than anything possible "afterwards" (i. e., when the resulting system is already running). > Second, it is, for the impact of skript kiddies, somehow of use to hide the OS' > revision/version. Hiding _this_ information is a bit more complicated than what I've mentioned above. The build process sets variables in many places, or obtains the relevant data from file contents. > And by the way, in some areas within the structure of companies or government hiding such > informations is a feature that is explicitely or part of a catalogue of aspects to meet. That's true. It does not prevent OS or version specific attacs (because OS version x.y still is OS version x.y, even if it doesn't say so), but when it's a requirement, it is a requirement. Inside companies or government, there is no discussion about requirements. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 09:36:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12705A1CD14 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:36:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay04.ispgateway.de (smtprelay04.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C659B18B4 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from [78.35.160.138] (helo=fabiankeil.de) by smtprelay04.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpvFS-0001Qb-Uv; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:36:27 +0200 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:36:26 +0200 From: Fabian Keil To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: Subject: Re: replace uname -a informational string Message-ID: <1b1ca543.75a62142@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <20151024095839.2da2cb97.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <20151023090805.5484ce9b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <1445622325.1169.29.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151023225424.49220466.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20151024080936.0ff26783@X220.alogt.com> <1445658972.13154.44.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <20151024095839.2da2cb97.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/QpjOK9gyfYGHhLJpXa8hWS/"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: Nzc1MDY3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:36:37 -0000 --Sig_/QpjOK9gyfYGHhLJpXa8hWS/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "O. Hartmann" wrote: > Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:56:12 -0400 > "Michael B. Eichorn" schrieb: >=20 > > On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 08:09 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: [...] > > > On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:54:24 +0200 > > > "O. Hartmann" wrote: > > > =20 > > > > Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:45:25 -0400 > > > > "Michael B. Eichorn" schrieb: [...] > > > > > On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:08 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: =20 > > > > > > For security purposes, I need to replace the informations given > > > > > > by > > > > > > "uname -a" > > > > > > to hode the kernel build system, name et cetera. =20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > I presume you intendend 'hide' here? > > > > >=20 > > > > > If you want to scrub a binaries of _all_ information about the > > > > > building system this is a problem Debian is actively working on > > > > > called 'reproducible builds' but is not possible today. > > > > >=20 > > > > > https://reproducible.debian.net > > > > >=20 > > > > > If you want to hide the hostname, why not just build with a > > > > > different hostname set? =20 > > > >=20 > > > > Because it is not only the hostname, uname reveals the target host, > > > > date and OS version. > > > >=20 > > > > In our case, the image ist built on a dedicated host for a security > > > > appliabce based on NanoBSD and I'd like to hide the OS type, the OS > > > > name, the build box' name and the build date.=20 > > > > =20 > > > why not replace uname at the source level then? [...] > > That wouldn't hide the information in any substantial way. Uname is > > basically an abstraction of a subset of sysctls. As such, the informati= on > > is integral to the kernel itself. Uname is just one of many tools that > > can be used to display this information. > >=20 > > Fundamentally the kernel itself needs to be changed not uname. >=20 > I'm well aware of that fact. At many places, the build-process sets varia= bles from the > outside world while building binaries and kernel and since I build everyt= hing from > scratch, I intend to manipulate those variables - if possible. It's possible and already done on FreeBSD consumers like ElectroBSD as one of the steps to get reproducible builds. The variables are set by sys/conf/newvers.sh and most of them can already be overwritten through the environment. Fabian --Sig_/QpjOK9gyfYGHhLJpXa8hWS/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlYrURcACgkQBYqIVf93VJ0aiACaAphPNC7/taDOL+O/SL97GeCM yF4AnA7jQcNsLC4mQ19fDZEWOUtipinz =fSx8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/QpjOK9gyfYGHhLJpXa8hWS/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 10:17:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A180FA1B70C for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:17:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8984DF03 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:17:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 866A8A1B70B; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85207A1B70A for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:17:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp208.alice.it (smtp208.alice.it [82.57.200.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15618F02 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:17:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (79.32.6.132) by smtp208.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 55BB68E10DBD9335; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:17:22 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t9OAHLuM027766; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:17:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Subject: Re: Spontaneous reboots with splash To: Ernie Luzar References: <5627D8B8.7030901@netfence.it> <5628CD2B.2000902@gmail.com> <5628CFA7.6040704@netfence.it> <5628FD40.1030701@netfence.it> <44eggme0ab.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <562A06F7.7090806@netfence.it> <562A210A.50306@gmail.com> <562A4C05.80208@netfence.it> <562A8AEE.1010108@gmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <562B5AB1.10101@netfence.it> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:17:21 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <562A8AEE.1010108@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:17:31 -0000 On 10/23/15 21:30, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Andrea Venturoli wrote: >> On 10/23/15 13:59, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> >>> Just for laughs, add vesa_load="YES" to the 3rd box you just did a fresh >>> install on and see what happens. >> >> Unfortunally I already nuked that installation, in order to try amd64. >> >> > > Then try it on the original box where this problem came to light. Can't do for two reasons: it was a production machine and it has been replaced already. As soon as I find a spare HD, I'll try again with another fresh install. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 15:29:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CC2A1DC3F for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mx1.eichornenterprises.com (mx1.eichornenterprises.com [104.236.13.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.eichornenterprises.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE9D8FB5 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:29:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mail.eichornenterprises.com (cpe-75-179-47-202.neo.res.rr.com [75.179.47.202]) by mx1.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c1682136; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id bdf75ace; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1445700703.13154.46.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Documentation Project: Is it just me or anyone is interested in reading the FAQ and Hand From: "Michael B. Eichorn" To: Warren Block , m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:31:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <20151023160313.9009FD5796@emkei.cz> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-512"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-1UFgqa+1IjWxVDtJqVyq" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:29:15 -0000 --=-1UFgqa+1IjWxVDtJqVyq Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 22:29 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, John via freebsd-questions wrote: >=20 > > I've been reading long articles, web pages on the Kindle for years > > and=20 > > have no problems converting most HTML pages to Kindle format. > > However,=20 > > I just learned the FAQ and Handbook are not plain simple [Single > > HTML]=20 > > files converting fine with default settings with Calibre to ebook, > > but=20 > > in 'XML DocBook' format (never heard of it before) which convert to > > an=20 > > ebook containing its main content in a table with Calibre conversion= =20 > > (with default settings), which less so readable. >=20 > Sorry, having trouble following the question. The documentation > sources=20 > are in DocBook XML. Several output file formats are generated from=20 > those sources, including split ("chunked") HTML, single HTML, PDF, and= =20 > other formats. The HTML documents have a link at the start to choose=20 > the single or split form. >=20 > > The reason I'm asking if it is only my interest, or, perhaps can be > > in=20 > > the interest of many is, if the latter, then it would be useful to=20 > > make information on how to get the documentation in Kindle or EPUB=20 > > format more clearly visible on the page - or, perhaps even offer=20 > > direct downloads - , as I guess more people are familiar with these - > > and maybe even find them more useful - than 'XML DocBook.' >=20 > We should offer EPUB formats. I do not have a device that uses them,=20 > but understood they could be created from PDFs. 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cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:56:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t9OFuTvA050027; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:56:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:56:29 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: "Michael B. Eichorn" cc: m8r-qatwhq@mailinator.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Documentation Project: Is it just me or anyone is interested in reading the FAQ and Hand In-Reply-To: <1445700703.13154.46.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Message-ID: References: <20151023160313.9009FD5796@emkei.cz> <1445700703.13154.46.camel@michaeleichorn.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:56:29 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:56:31 -0000 On Sat, 24 Oct 2015, Michael B. Eichorn wrote: > On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 22:29 -0600, Warren Block wrote: >> >> We should offer EPUB formats. I do not have a device that uses them, >> but understood they could be created from PDFs. > > EPUB is a known project that is just awaiting the hands to do it: > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#EPUB_Support_in_Documentation_Build_Infrastructure Not really hands, but specifics. What is the best source format for conversion? Are there command-line tools for conversion that would not bloat our doc toolchain too much? Is the best way to use another XSL transformation like the one that produces the HTML version? Is there an existing set of stylesheets for a DocBook to EPUB transformation that could be used? So it comes up, but either other projects have a higher priority, or volunteer motivation is lacking, or both. Help with this is welcome. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 20:21:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEBEA1E5FE for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:21:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dino_vliet@yahoo.com) Received: from nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.189]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EE80688 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:21:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dino_vliet@yahoo.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1445717968; bh=yatsiTpkM3PsD3xLITqySzEtiR/Gp2yv9wYaRJ5Bol4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=tsWKUP5MYC2y7cDSLkxPntuJuCy/w61EkGOWVEZYPEUZjB1YjsqDgd5lSXzaj4Qpxy4mLt8ilArS7fk6tqCwFu/BvlUZdwqxybW6j3nHiNZYPy9LFvrQsZ891bJPgVXwD3rpsR0q2l5VrAqa2/ORhPrzbH38ttTJrqQzJU4sbQ4Sg/DbkPTS64/H2pi6UCXGDsc9i6Kzgq4xSt15sNcqPjv8aUzTUgV+hH/bjQRI+IzS470d1zKFGLCI2Jlh4n44WkcxxyexlmOaD9fAq3J1ubsLe+K0S1AkTch9p++1zTxQYoMlR1x/5LbCtxQHSL5m7aGDVxEioHEsk5YgujXX6A== Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm35.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2015 20:19:28 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.62] by nm35.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2015 20:16:46 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.171] by tm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2015 20:16:46 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.234] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2015 20:16:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2015 20:16:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 181385.81793.bm@omp1043.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: g8jANGIVM1lPvJhNQ8DZphilQJhKyFa39i9srrBh74TQU_q1wsy4CKapBtx2wke .pfIzqKFl7ureMoYzxh5mVmHWWmejm8o_B9T7B98N8oZqvYUKw78_.IGOhVAMPpdsMNXgHMAglr9 hsfmB5_plFi_C24Y_FkzaII_WJXyy5_HPS8KAiPJsBj95zi45V6fMs0YBSaBiBR2PwbzRfgVWzhR K7.t.I6flF2cLCCkytVGgQuTttMbHDc5LqhqXXROyOkuW5Mzc5noPJUy_D1WSTmY3cVrAmcqoDsE 3cP7CTLwenAwgDT24yqazl9i9XLAKziqwxkqZjKVj98jLf2iZiE5iRrIdkJXkXRNeGT3w_V1N9GF 44NL0WdgvFeu_EXUvnEs7y0dSaRCrV_eRDmNJBkZ0I62U4uXBM8mGchm.uXJHxrwQUq1kz7cN0RB o_finPBxv.J.zXDcOdt3I8xZ9VqGu0f_dmU7xpXfZqcA.sjAAiwCw4qlxvczSA4vFZ0QsSVtAZNM nY9aLpWu3r8xn8AyQ79z8mg-- Received: by 66.196.80.118; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:16:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:16:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Dino Vliet Reply-To: Dino Vliet To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <691088220.1041369.1445717805068.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Mounting from ufs:/dev/mirror/gm0s1a failed with error 19 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <691088220.1041369.1445717805068.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:21:34 -0000 Dear FreeBSD userlist,2 or 3 years ago I tried to upgrade to freebsd 9.1 th= rough source and as a consequence my gmirrorhas been broken because I ended= up with a broken mirror and don't know how to fix it. Mounting from ufs:/dev/mirror/gm0s1a failed with error 19. Loader variables: vfs.root.mountfrom=3Dufs:/dev/mirror/gm0s1a vfs.root.mountfrom.options=3Drw Manual root filesystem specification: : [options] Mount using filesystem and with the specified (optional) option list. eg. ufs:/dev/da0s1a zfs:tank cd9660:/dev/acd0 ro (which is equivalent to: mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0 /) ? List valid disk boot devices . Yield 1 second (for background tasks) Abort manual input I found this on internet: gmirror broken after upgrade | The FreeBSD Forums And at the loader prompt I did this: set kern.geom.part.check_integrity=3D0 boot And was able to boot but where I'm stuck is that according to that link I s= hould redo the mirror according to this 18.3.=C2=A0RAID1 - Mirroring but ho= w do I proceed exactly if I don't want to loose my data? So where do I start exactly? | =C2=A0 | | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | | gmirror broken after upgrade | The FreeBSD Forums=C2=A0Hello. I have upgr= aded a friend's machine running gmirror from 8.0 to 8.1 successfully, but t= rying to upgrade to 10-RELEASE. I think there may be a... | | | | View on forums.freebsd.org=C2=A0 | Preview by Yahoo | | | | =C2=A0 | | =C2=A0 | | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | | 18.3.=C2=A0RAID1 - Mirroring=C2=A018.3.=C2=A0RAID1 - Mirroring RAID1, or = mirroring, is the technique of writing the same data to more than one disk = drive. | | | | View on www.freebsd.org=C2=A0 | Preview by Yahoo | | | | =C2=A0 | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 20:45:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE3FA1EADE for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:45:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) Received: from mail2.kulturflatrate.net (mail.financecomm.com [178.63.105.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1371157 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:45:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) Received: from [10.0.0.38] (mail.kulturflatrate.net [IPv6:2a01:488:66:1000:2ea3:77dd:0:1]) (Authenticated sender: niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) by mail2.kulturflatrate.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2F263FC67; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 22:45:37 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kulturflatrate.net; s=default; t=1445719537; bh=dtKbWsU/xbUglazErQdqY4JZL0w+g1ke4NMkYduZGBM=; h=Subject:References:Cc:To:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=oLNM+Q5BfhiOb7Iu8szcJb3ZBEjQ56mX/KPiIalsBB07nDRkrgwhCotL3f3RyyB1Q DTyU1q6ZzJDOvAe3znew5On+7YCoX+PCF2qTVwo9EOLr/rXjfma7iNq8AYx9hy+WOP 373vbmQoCHbVXstIeH2JtHcnPmIES//Xdc7NYIBc= Subject: Re: IPv6 only Jails cannot connect to the outside world References: <5611AFCA.4010909@kulturflatrate.net> <5611CA44.4030602@radel.com> <56123260.1010901@kulturflatrate.net> <56127D73.5040001@hiwaay.net> <5612E192.6040404@kulturflatrate.net> <56139A43.9010904@kulturflatrate.net> Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=c3=b8l?= To: FreeBSD questions From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff Message-ID: <562BEE8D.1010606@kulturflatrate.net> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 22:48:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:45:46 -0000 On 06/10/15 12:15, Trond Endrestøl wrote: > local_unbound is in base, if you prefer to limit the number of > installed ports in each jail. > > Just add local_unbound_enable="YES" to each jail's /etc/rc.conf. > > Start the local_unbound service, and let it create its files in > /var/unbound. Stop the unbound service. > > Edit /var/unbound/forward.conf to your heart's content. Add as many > "forward-addr:" statements as you need below "name: .". See > unbound.conf(5) for more information. > > You might want to verify the settings in /etc/resolv.conf and > /etc/resolvconf.conf. > > Start the unbound service, and check the resolver using host, > ping{,6}, traceroute{,6} ... > > Once you get one jail running as desired, just copy the configuration > files, save /etc/rc.conf, to the other jails. I finally took a closer look on this. Unfortunately, I was not able to set this up within the jails but what I did was installing dns/unbound on the host and set it as IPv4 and IPv6 name server in each jail in `/etc/resolv.conf`. Is there a good reason why not to do this and prefer the local_unbound version in each jail as described by Trond (thanks again)? Maybe because of security concerns? -- Niklaas