From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 05:56:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC439951 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 05:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x234.google.com (mail-wi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CECB12E5 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 05:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id n3so19617805wiv.13 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 21:56:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FV/TZNofwYHAHydf7isZpvhMJNFg/wgKd9NYeaJQt/Y=; b=Hso5uobvy4XWyQTHCJXiGxuOHpnJGfC24xSXYbTj/f2u9fNOFZMlnOCeAQluRlDe3Y uAge1myj6EfnRb6vNU+SWP8Lmdfek2RX9uFEPyH4Dru78oaJTHNdSc4tYndijId4Bs4K jRf80FqhCsCqKEvT75Q8Tcs9tnqnRy/aFywkp38yL4avJODXl2vx/eM+c7bfGemTfUEc Nees78MUUMFWFcUyzrSBIDSPe/dZKoPMJOwejv8898JaSUXhluUaFnA+LXGZAGAN0RjN TmKrqcWlWNNQ5SLW4XSg/xMq3JuDEy0Z7pVwjAXjJLU2bC+yeir1anD8mi+TQmfyrjME ys1g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.200.234 with SMTP id jv10mr97655388wjc.110.1419746176197; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 21:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.75.133 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 21:56:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <549F30BC.20500@intersonic.se> References: <549F30BC.20500@intersonic.se> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 05:56:16 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hw.syscons.bell not working? From: Saeid Moradi To: Per olof Ljungmark Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 05:56:19 -0000 set nobeep and xset b off may work as workaround. On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > Lenovo X201i > FreeBSD 10.1-STABLE #0 r276028: Sun Dec 21 22:48:24 CET 2014 > > set > # sysctl hw.syscons.bell=0 > > But console still generates loud beeps, to my frustration. > > Did I miss something? This laptop ran 9-STABLE before and did not beep > at me. Suggestions? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 14:47:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94A0412A for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x22c.google.com (mail-vc0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DC231C34 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hq11so4633409vcb.31 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 06:47:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=LrtvJZvho+IUxdWrkyfJFgcwq/0CvqW8KZZP+9X/jfg=; b=UBlSMtl2ZKHJISSUen73jmfpTo0DCi2gzpMygi4YBl6D0x78vzgFRygAu88L4YEl82 g9MV2Pyr3xC2oT02i8Aevc2a/zIooN7gIk7i9XSH3GY+vxI3Z1MNILr3SQDrwS7LbIYZ ji1HVHMNWzy1ekBfESBSmhbm4N5yaR5HxU6FIV5DoXXdJjR3BWOghCHWm7yoFChns6dw MtcVhdcIhwHKTJoPrEk4ScT+PxhBIgZE9u0tUUexiHjdYdgJDi+Ln3c1f+t7r/YnNL2h 1SSi/pWT0BAYkUMmKsug+OLpWybmhsC9h3bz5F3C3Qr1wLuXtAmhbG4H7AvXXGKQBEh3 X5yw== X-Received: by 10.220.83.193 with SMTP id g1mr10506553vcl.46.1419778076268; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 06:47:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.139.51 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 06:47:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <549F30BC.20500@intersonic.se> References: <549F30BC.20500@intersonic.se> From: Konstantin Kulikov Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 18:47:35 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hw.syscons.bell not working? To: Per olof Ljungmark Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:47:57 -0000 Hello. There should be kern.vt.enable_bell sysctl, but it probably didn't get into 10.1. See http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=272715 On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > Lenovo X201i > FreeBSD 10.1-STABLE #0 r276028: Sun Dec 21 22:48:24 CET 2014 > > set > # sysctl hw.syscons.bell=0 > > But console still generates loud beeps, to my frustration. > > Did I miss something? This laptop ran 9-STABLE before and did not beep > at me. Suggestions? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 15:50:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17068CD3 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C502C66420 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5G6b-0006Fq-AI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:50:09 +0100 Received: from p4fddcedf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([79.221.206.223]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:50:09 +0100 Received: from christian.baer by p4fddcedf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:50:09 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:49:56 +0100 Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p4fddcedf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 In-Reply-To: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:50:19 -0000 Am 26.12.2014 um 08:29 schrieb James Griffin: > As long as you have a part of the disk for FreeBSD, when you install > FreeBSD it will provide its own bootmanager. This is what works best. > I wouldn't bother trying to get Windows to do this. Well, technically, this isn't what happens. I installed Win7 first and FreeBSD after that. When I was finished, only Windows booted. The only way I could get FreeBSD to start, was to go into the setup of the motherboard (BIOS setup) and tell it to boot off another partition. What I wanted was the computer automatically starting the boot manager and letting me choose whether I wanted Windows or FreeBSD. That however didn't happen. This is a little redundant, but I really want to make this clear... My motherboard is a Supermicro X10SAT. When the system starts, I can press F12 which lets me choose the boot device (basicly like in the BIOS setup, but an a temporary basis). This is a *motherboard* function, this is not a boot manager from any OS. The motherboard recognises both Windows (list item: "Windows boot manager") and FreeBSD (list item: "EFI OS"). I have seen no other boot manager after the installation nor did I see any chance to choose/configure/check one during the installation of FreeBSD. The handbook in rather silent about this subject too, which is quite a surprise to me. When I started out with Linux, everything was about being able to coexist with Windows on a single machine. I switched to FreeBSD a little later. My first FreeBSD CDs were of v3.3 (that was 1999 and I am feeling very old right about now). The FreeBSD boot manager of back then wasn't as pretty as the one supplied with SuSE at the time but it did the same thing. Is this an EFI thing or have the priorities shifted? Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 16:41:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 454894C3 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 011E264B8E for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5GuK-0006In-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:41:32 +0100 Received: from p4fddcedf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([79.221.206.223]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:41:31 +0100 Received: from christian.baer by p4fddcedf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:41:31 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: setting up an OwnCloud client under FreeBSD Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:41:21 +0100 Lines: 69 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p4fddcedf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:41:35 -0000 Hey everyone! I hope you all had a great Christmas with lots of fun and food! ;-) Honestly, I am quite pleased that it is all over and my family is gone again. :-P I have been using Owncloud for quite a while now using the desktop clients for Windows and Linux. As I understand it, there is no desktop (as in GUI) client for FreeBSD. In principle, that is fine with me, provided I can do the same thing with a daemon of some sort. When I use a search engine (my choice is duckduckgo) for "Owncload client freebsd" I get quite a few hits. What I think to have read out of these results is that under FreeBSD some version of csync is the way to go. I have read of ocsync and owncloud-csync. What gets me is the utter lack of information/documentation about setting this up. The manpage for ocsync is very short and "thin". It actually leaves more questions than it answers. NAME ocsync - A commandline frontent for csync a user level bidirectional file synchronizer. DESCRIPTION ocsync is a client only bidirectional file synchronizer. It synchronizes the content of SOURCE with DESTINATION and vice versa. The DESTINATION can be a local directory or a remote file server. I cannot find a manpage for csync on freebsd.org :-( There is no mention what protocols are supported. But ok, a little further down are the examples: ocsync /home/user smb://user:password@server/share/user With this I can get the the basic syntax (even if I'd still have to use trial and error to find out what protocols are supported). And it's a good guess this is something I'd either have to run as some sort of service or as a cron job. But there are a few things I'd still like to know: Let's say I type this: ocsync ~/share ftp://somewhere.de/users/christian Will it only download from somewhere.de or will it only upload to there? Can I control what it does? Will it erase files locally or on somewhere.de if these were deleted since the last sync? What happens if the same file (name) exists on both sides, but with difference versions (or last access times)? Will this actually work anything like the known desktop client for Owncloud in terms of updating files? I have a Keepass file which I move across my devices using Owncloud. When I add/change a password to it, it automatically moves arount to all devices- Will this work too? Basicly: Does anyone know of a slightly more comprehensive setup guide or in-depth documentation about ocsync or setting up a client for owncloud under FreeBSD? Thanks for reading and helping! ;-) Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 18:43:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 343DB5F3 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 18:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [IPv6:2001:470:67:119::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13AFD2DE6 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 18:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3FEFA6D86BCC; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:43:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:43:19 -0800 From: David Benfell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: what's the story with openssl? Message-ID: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 18:43:21 -0000 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, This seems like it should be an unbelievably stupid question. But I guess FreeBSD's idea of sane defaults for openssl do not accord with my idea of sane defaults for openssl. I have tried the security/ca_root_nss port now both with and without the option to create the link in /etc. It doesn't help. Why am I having to specify --ca-certificate /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt to make wget work? What do I have to do to make this not necessary--and *stay* not necessary? Thanks! --=20 David Benfell See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment. --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUoE9GAAoJEBV64x4SNmAr+qkP/Rlc6C6jgffxcU2xBXeVJ4/v Gnjc33Vbxor/raW2pO/ZjIgGGAAtgKF8yuqT41SxxXkSulBfUvQZ3Ir3EXsJxGLL kWXP6rFJRzBk5jTTzpvVwad2woP8Ml6WYM7b2grVX+X+0D7VYq517zWrsp95V9+p c9CCQbW0vgk5UvJlRivz7NVNkF0p1Rj232emeojQF5cPup6Q7L2ifRIzMA6jRJJ+ M6aLCWKwegVxvMnTi+PSoHti73F/pLRz8fzlWQ20r7K67b6pxFrsAYeJ+99I0Vxt 89XXLu5ZPzOxgEgum/mJGoGNsQx+xC6HCk/0bMuaWT01N3snN21tTanrNyzZGvBP cHja3TEKsHuVM3da7sF730kFmhNRVQNx8VN8zpBm86E+kqeVkzFhookeAGVq9dAf 6CAnF2AkiCp4sNHzNIYbwLJiwU4DexO9RPznLtf2UlWYSuoSwFbsLkaHBx2XhFkT F8BhFXWQSGWhr4Nefiv9b6QZPrQm1XhmRT/fQb7N8tc5J4m/piH+9j4iiFFRMGpF WiaU70JDhx5gopvx5zmonU1GKcQt1JsIUI994dqT8/CZ7EUvlKzqhRUxSh9/2dIy S9eMYD4z6y4sHkIG2nqbvXQlnzYi+6+jHTFDPqOLIXgbgqzMehs7ix3qmtH2az6m 9Rywmw9X6GT9ZuoV4Qc2 =65JZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 18:44:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 307A27DC for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 18:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x22a.google.com (mail-pa0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1E672E0A for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 18:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id et14so16147732pad.29 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:44:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=/qQoMjqTOFn/TGZ/q5IChuVEoLaZLn2nxSlJ2CLo6/4=; b=Uivbw3CTXLVRx6/STpd5plZSCJb4nvL24TG8je1/u1eRSjZkv/AHjVvDha+nTFHA3c BJcO1DYK6i1wcaVIPTJFMur+v9DE5QeSW5Z+bQ2rdVVHdSb1mUtnaowQr0a5MWFLiw3e TSbkm7GSbI2kBY/pU+AvYYt4chte5mJ75Bi9H28e5XmtX69Ce6gUF6ZxSoFqzmhIXKzu dyFK1UvEsipgin6+I080PywlzoO8O1H2odyLPNfFld2o4+dONIf7ySVDpYQEfkDirOMZ ZTr2lyRIFBv5koI04HJIo1GQ8JJfkuEHPJlpbP1zizRN6sJ1Rv5Wm8SxqvuuypAMwCRN afQg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.70.118.202 with SMTP id ko10mr85077891pdb.48.1419792286502; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:44:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.101.133 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:44:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <549F30BC.20500@intersonic.se> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:44:46 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hw.syscons.bell not working? From: Adam Vande More To: Konstantin Kulikov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 18:44:47 -0000 On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Konstantin Kulikov wrote: > Hello. > > There should be kern.vt.enable_bell sysctl, but it probably didn't get > into 10.1. > See http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=272715 It was never MFC'd into 10-STABLE AFAIK. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 19:40:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33A85149 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9FEF647F5 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBSJe3BN096923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:40:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sBSJe3c0096920; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:40:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:40:03 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Christian Baer Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:40:04 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:40:12 -0000 On Sun, 28 Dec 2014, Christian Baer wrote: > > This is a little redundant, but I really want to make this clear... > > My motherboard is a Supermicro X10SAT. When the system starts, I can press > F12 which lets me choose the boot device (basicly like in the BIOS setup, but > an a temporary basis). This is a *motherboard* function, this is not a boot > manager from any OS. The motherboard recognises both Windows (list item: > "Windows boot manager") and FreeBSD (list item: "EFI OS"). > > I have seen no other boot manager after the installation nor did I see any > chance to choose/configure/check one during the installation of FreeBSD. The > handbook in rather silent about this subject too, which is quite a surprise > to me. When I started out with Linux, everything was about being able to > coexist with Windows on a single machine. I switched to FreeBSD a little > later. My first FreeBSD CDs were of v3.3 (that was 1999 and I am feeling very > old right about now). The FreeBSD boot manager of back then wasn't as pretty > as the one supplied with SuSE at the time but it did the same thing. > > Is this an EFI thing or have the priorities shifted? UEFI is a whole new game, utterly different from what came before. And FreeBSD's UEFI support is new. As far as I know, it has no provision for multibooting in UEFI. Code to do that would be welcome, it's been difficult just to get the current UEFI support. Your boot menu suggests that Windows 7 is installed for standard BIOS booting. The easiest way to deal with this is to reinstall FreeBSD for standard BIOS booting also, with an MBR format. Then you can install the boot0 multiboot program, but it really doesn't offer anything that the BIOS boot menu does not already have. Please also consider running FreeBSD as a VM with one of the many virtualization options. That has many advantages over multiboot setups. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 21:56:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 262AA452 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 21:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F340F2DB3 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 21:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id E6DF4CB8C9C; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:56:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from 69.209.227.251 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:56:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <2641.69.209.227.251.1419803774.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:56:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Warren Block" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 21:56:22 -0000 On Sun, December 28, 2014 1:40 pm, Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2014, Christian Baer wrote: >> >> This is a little redundant, but I really want to make this clear... >> >> My motherboard is a Supermicro X10SAT. When the system starts, I can >> press >> F12 which lets me choose the boot device (basicly like in the BIOS >> setup, but >> an a temporary basis). This is a *motherboard* function, this is not a >> boot >> manager from any OS. The motherboard recognises both Windows (list item: >> "Windows boot manager") and FreeBSD (list item: "EFI OS"). >> >> I have seen no other boot manager after the installation nor did I see >> any >> chance to choose/configure/check one during the installation of FreeBSD. >> The >> handbook in rather silent about this subject too, which is quite a >> surprise >> to me. When I started out with Linux, everything was about being able to >> coexist with Windows on a single machine. I switched to FreeBSD a little >> later. My first FreeBSD CDs were of v3.3 (that was 1999 and I am feeling >> very >> old right about now). The FreeBSD boot manager of back then wasn't as >> pretty >> as the one supplied with SuSE at the time but it did the same thing. >> >> Is this an EFI thing or have the priorities shifted? > > UEFI is a whole new game, utterly different from what came before. And > FreeBSD's UEFI support is new. As far as I know, it has no provision > for multibooting in UEFI. Code to do that would be welcome, it's been > difficult just to get the current UEFI support. > > Your boot menu suggests that Windows 7 is installed for standard BIOS > booting. The easiest way to deal with this is to reinstall FreeBSD for > standard BIOS booting also, with an MBR format. Then you can install > the boot0 multiboot program, but it really doesn't offer anything that > the BIOS boot menu does not already have. > > Please also consider running FreeBSD as a VM with one of the many > virtualization options. That has many advantages over multiboot setups. There is a big difference: in last case you have the machine running Windows 7. Just out of curiosity: do _you_ have the same level of trust to Windows 7/8 system as you do to FreeBSD? If yes, why at all would you go into trouble running FreeBSD? Just curious (no offense to anyone/anything intended ;-) Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 23:03:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79E29AA6 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 442861771 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id va2so38726085obc.8 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:03:45 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=X6vO43mAfLD2+eiz0nu8PrsmNpXkVcNV1iRQCYLfVVg=; b=F5gTTLQkBqphxowkT4oNHjaDNK/OX4WAY5jTQfB1r0ibdM6OUjPMYnW0zJjpB3kzuQ 7rd3gwdH8BxLrrqAEOOE6sHiqmUDfC5jY+HfMcl3BK6fpOkF0qer5d1ehb8XTy+z1dnR 8lXTtwRDWdwRxhlG2R1tORIDqP0L06lGBSl2GasGFb8+2ltM8vXAPQMKSDFzuRdL7XoW DwS7sWmtzuNBQR67rfXGz9KN4CH6YuPcf8ADDI8xli1XJ/FHHw7863J5ZhgKDrar0HLm ufnFcHfxsHQyLnOBaROW0X9xC9WQhUlamdt+sPBk8NyDxAJPW4cQG8E40VrIJ/qnhLhE L+LA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnzE8UxEk8CE3X3ps1bIREKjA8YW/3N7N0rXAbhJnCT78uWMRpuBAYW3RyxUogHmHVeJSXv MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.103.228 with SMTP id fz4mr5370696oeb.54.1419807439455; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.172.78 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:57:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:57:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: what's the story with openssl? From: Michael Sierchio To: David Benfell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:03:52 -0000 On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 10:43 AM, David Benfell wrote: > > This seems like it should be an unbelievably stupid question. But I > guess FreeBSD's idea of sane defaults for openssl do not accord with > my idea of sane defaults for openssl. > > I have tried the security/ca_root_nss port now both with and without > the option to create the link in /etc. It doesn't help. > > Why am I having to specify --ca-certificate > /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt to make wget work? What do I > have to do to make this not necessary--and *stay* not necessary? fetch (in the base system) uses environment variables, so you could set SSL_CA_CERT_FILE to the proper value with fetch. I don't remember of the top of my head how defaults are set in wget. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 23:26:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA6F6D74 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D75D1A6F for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pd2mr1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.110]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 28 Dec 2014 16:26:07 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=s+0R4JzlRBUW8GXF//6L4/AwYJegyFoFyppZH3AfVto= c=1 sm=1 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=cDlco7zYYVJyEfAfv3IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO cds005.dcs.int.inet) ([10.0.141.22]) by pd2mr1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 28 Dec 2014 16:26:07 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> <2641.69.209.227.251.1419803774.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> From: Dale Scott MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2641.69.209.227.251.1419803774.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:26:07 -0700 (MST) To: "galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu" X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.1.4_GA_2567 (MobileSync - Apple-iPad2C5/1202.440) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:26:14 -0000 > On Dec 28, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Valeri Galtsev w= rote: >=20 >=20 >> On Sun, December 28, 2014 1:40 pm, Warren Block wrote: >>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014, Christian Baer wrote: >>>=20 >>> This is a little redundant, but I really want to make this clear... >>>=20 >>> My motherboard is a Supermicro X10SAT. When the system starts, I can >>> press >>> F12 which lets me choose the boot device (basicly like in the BIOS >>> setup, but >>> an a temporary basis). This is a *motherboard* function, this is not a >>> boot >>> manager from any OS. The motherboard recognises both Windows (list item= : >>> "Windows boot manager") and FreeBSD (list item: "EFI OS"). >>>=20 >>> I have seen no other boot manager after the installation nor did I see >>> any >>> chance to choose/configure/check one during the installation of FreeBSD= . >>> The >>> handbook in rather silent about this subject too, which is quite a >>> surprise >>> to me. When I started out with Linux, everything was about being able t= o >>> coexist with Windows on a single machine. I switched to FreeBSD a littl= e >>> later. My first FreeBSD CDs were of v3.3 (that was 1999 and I am feelin= g >>> very >>> old right about now). The FreeBSD boot manager of back then wasn't as >>> pretty >>> as the one supplied with SuSE at the time but it did the same thing. >>>=20 >>> Is this an EFI thing or have the priorities shifted? >>=20 >> UEFI is a whole new game, utterly different from what came before. And >> FreeBSD's UEFI support is new. As far as I know, it has no provision >> for multibooting in UEFI. Code to do that would be welcome, it's been >> difficult just to get the current UEFI support. >>=20 >> Your boot menu suggests that Windows 7 is installed for standard BIOS >> booting. The easiest way to deal with this is to reinstall FreeBSD for >> standard BIOS booting also, with an MBR format. Then you can install >> the boot0 multiboot program, but it really doesn't offer anything that >> the BIOS boot menu does not already have. >>=20 >> Please also consider running FreeBSD as a VM with one of the many >> virtualization options. That has many advantages over multiboot setups. >=20 > There is a big difference: in last case you have the machine running > Windows 7. Just out of curiosity: do _you_ have the same level of trust t= o > Windows 7/8 system as you do to FreeBSD? If yes, why at all would you go > into trouble running FreeBSD? Just curious (no offense to anyone/anything > intended ;-) >=20 > Valeri For me, it's about how FreeBSD enables building and experimenting with syst= ems of applications in ways that wouldn't be possible on Windows (arguably = from a pragmatic perspective, not necessarily technically). Dale From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 01:11:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AF43AD6 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 01:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38133649FB for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 01:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 08C81CB8C9C; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:11:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from 69.209.227.251 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:11:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3391.69.209.227.251.1419815488.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> <2641.69.209.227.251.1419803774.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:11:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Dale Scott" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 01:11:30 -0000 On Sun, December 28, 2014 5:26 pm, Dale Scott wrote: > >> On Dec 28, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Valeri Galtsev >> wrote: >> >> >>> On Sun, December 28, 2014 1:40 pm, Warren Block wrote: >>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014, Christian Baer wrote: >>>> >>>> This is a little redundant, but I really want to make this clear... >>>> >>>> My motherboard is a Supermicro X10SAT. When the system starts, I can >>>> press >>>> F12 which lets me choose the boot device (basicly like in the BIOS >>>> setup, but >>>> an a temporary basis). This is a *motherboard* function, this is not a >>>> boot >>>> manager from any OS. The motherboard recognises both Windows (list >>>> item: >>>> "Windows boot manager") and FreeBSD (list item: "EFI OS"). >>>> >>>> I have seen no other boot manager after the installation nor did I see >>>> any >>>> chance to choose/configure/check one during the installation of >>>> FreeBSD. >>>> The >>>> handbook in rather silent about this subject too, which is quite a >>>> surprise >>>> to me. When I started out with Linux, everything was about being able >>>> to >>>> coexist with Windows on a single machine. I switched to FreeBSD a >>>> little >>>> later. My first FreeBSD CDs were of v3.3 (that was 1999 and I am >>>> feeling >>>> very >>>> old right about now). The FreeBSD boot manager of back then wasn't as >>>> pretty >>>> as the one supplied with SuSE at the time but it did the same thing. >>>> >>>> Is this an EFI thing or have the priorities shifted? >>> >>> UEFI is a whole new game, utterly different from what came before. And >>> FreeBSD's UEFI support is new. As far as I know, it has no provision >>> for multibooting in UEFI. Code to do that would be welcome, it's been >>> difficult just to get the current UEFI support. >>> >>> Your boot menu suggests that Windows 7 is installed for standard BIOS >>> booting. The easiest way to deal with this is to reinstall FreeBSD for >>> standard BIOS booting also, with an MBR format. Then you can install >>> the boot0 multiboot program, but it really doesn't offer anything that >>> the BIOS boot menu does not already have. >>> >>> Please also consider running FreeBSD as a VM with one of the many >>> virtualization options. That has many advantages over multiboot >>> setups. >> >> There is a big difference: in last case you have the machine running >> Windows 7. Just out of curiosity: do _you_ have the same level of trust >> to >> Windows 7/8 system as you do to FreeBSD? If yes, why at all would you go >> into trouble running FreeBSD? Just curious (no offense to >> anyone/anything >> intended ;-) >> >> Valeri > > For me, it's about how FreeBSD enables building and experimenting with > systems of applications in ways that wouldn't be possible on Windows > (arguably from a pragmatic perspective, not necessarily technically). > > Dale > I see... If to keep Windows as the system machine is running then Windows + cygwin is something that might be much nicer and smoother the Windows --> Virtual Machine --> FreeBSD. Of course, cygwin is pretty much Linux as opposed to FreeBSD being FreeBSD... Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 02:45:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52B8F97C for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 02:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [IPv6:2001:470:67:119::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E37964831 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 02:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4C0446D86BCC; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 18:45:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 18:45:36 -0800 From: David Benfell To: Michael Sierchio Subject: Re: what's the story with openssl? Message-ID: <20141229024536.GA43231@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="huq684BweRXVnRxX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 02:45:43 -0000 --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 02:57:19PM -0800, Michael Sierchio wrote: >=20 > fetch (in the base system) uses environment variables, so you could set > SSL_CA_CERT_FILE to the proper value with fetch. I don't remember of the > top of my head how defaults are set in wget. I now have three versions of this. And still no joy. It's badly affecting some rss feeds I grab in a cron job: [benfell@home ~]% r2e run W: [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:581) [2] https://www.aclu.org/news/all/feed W: [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:581) [3] https://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/feed/all W: [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:581) [5] https://www.eff.org/rss/updates.xml W: error 404 [15] http://www.rollingstone.com/siteServices/rss/nationalAffairs W: [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:581) [50] https://www.reddit.com/.rss?feed=3Dc2b643a98368cf2de1899f7b58ee18043ac8ac7b= &user=3Dn4rky [benfell@home ~]% env | grep SSL SSL_CA_CERT_FILE=3D/usr/local/openssl/cert.pem SSL_CERT_DIR=3D/usr/local/openssl/certs SSL_CERT_FILE=3D/usr/local/openssl/cert.pem [benfell@home ~]%=20 And just for completeness: --2014-12-28 18:44:53-- https://google.com/ Resolving google.com (google.com)... 2607:f8b0:4010:801::1009, 74.125.239.3= 7, 74.125.239.33, ... Connecting to google.com (google.com)|2607:f8b0:4010:801::1009|:443... conn= ected. ERROR: cannot verify google.com's certificate, issued by =E2=80=98/C=3DUS/O= =3DGoogle Inc/CN=3DGoogle Internet Authority G2=E2=80=99: Unable to locally verify the issuer's authority. To connect to google.com insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'. Thanks! --=20 David Benfell See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment. --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUoMBQAAoJEBV64x4SNmArVpgP/2VPi1iZ4hVmGqAbJ6B8Mdxz A8dAMbhG2rUbqcuiVGqWngM1Neidv1saYD/tOvIho+0u8cjxSbcLKYJUA/170Q9Z ipEyJcBNEdXo5Q+Gl3fl4+0UXXPDTqPK1o5fMsfvYHcWniZotoZ+ZbpblRJ8pfXK tmqgP2mMK2w+FJO622u9ZcVdOGJqe6aK7DfjEHWctbrp+jkD1nNGQz7hYExCfbw/ MntPUMtN6NII9EVaMKbIegfgQfPtSM9cpqpjqp7jip9pvUNf1euZS1ILjcC8ZFE2 hASlJuVZi6WXAnKk64lLF6P0WkIIGD3gYG9aSzEAYgM4QdsEuWHx2s2A54JTMte4 9d+CQIACC526P+y1c5k1CBhUC1ajHUymeJ76e0wfYXWoX8oQDWohYCJBP37eKNMx 6yzMnOciCl3VQk3HWAVPO5nGpQiQhVUBxUiI/uojChINsbUylDUPAWWUc5WOhtBa Rc2HCtmhk1KH7w4dd+twS35B8z0TikN8CPn0We6w7tW3EefHcTx3RuwKKUq0hcbS 66lotr1GxfKLLrBG1F29nujWltbyqd0ypdf+eKo0wXfCTcELv4W9CSrLO1ZExV3R vnvV/zrKQ1MJVJq+7UZuVskvtGZdsy5s8dXxzApGZSFE9f1qRS1HzfWsXJl00Skk Vzz9GS4gvZ/dk6ZcLmQB =rklC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --huq684BweRXVnRxX-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 02:53:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F39EA49 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 02:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D533764980 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 02:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBT2rX8m061058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sBT2rXjh061055; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:53:33 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Valeri Galtsev Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI In-Reply-To: <2641.69.209.227.251.1419803774.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> <2641.69.209.227.251.1419803774.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:53:34 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 02:53:37 -0000 On Sun, 28 Dec 2014, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Sun, December 28, 2014 1:40 pm, Warren Block wrote: >> >> Your boot menu suggests that Windows 7 is installed for standard BIOS >> booting. The easiest way to deal with this is to reinstall FreeBSD for >> standard BIOS booting also, with an MBR format. Then you can install >> the boot0 multiboot program, but it really doesn't offer anything that >> the BIOS boot menu does not already have. >> >> Please also consider running FreeBSD as a VM with one of the many >> virtualization options. That has many advantages over multiboot setups. > > There is a big difference: in last case you have the machine running > Windows 7. Just out of curiosity: do _you_ have the same level of trust to > Windows 7/8 system as you do to FreeBSD? If yes, why at all would you go > into trouble running FreeBSD? Just curious (no offense to anyone/anything > intended ;-) If Windows (or anything, really) is alternately running with FreeBSD, there's already a trust issue. The other OS has access to FreeBSD's disks when FreeBSD is not running. Either way, setting up VMs is easier and less hazardous than modifying existing disk boot blocks and partitions. Allowing multiple operating systems to run at the same time means that the functionality of the host or other VMs is still available. With multiboot, only one system is available, and that can be challenging for new users who get FreeBSD started but don't have access to the web for researching questions because X or a text-mode browser or even a network connection has not been set up yet. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 03:00:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BFDEB08 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 03:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.shockergroup.com (mail.shockergroup.com [199.233.228.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 422CE649EF for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 03:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 78503 invoked by uid 89); 29 Dec 2014 02:59:01 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 78495, pid: 78498, t: 0.1378s scanners: attach: 1.4.0 clamav: 0.98.4/m:55/d:19851 Received: from unknown (HELO powersled.home) (tom@shockergroup.com@173.78.85.67) by mail.shockergroup.com with ESMTPA; 29 Dec 2014 02:59:01 -0000 From: Tom Ierna Subject: curl error - /usr/lib/libssl.so.7: Undefined symbol "EVP_aes_128_gcm" Message-Id: <333F0C20-F01C-4D2D-900C-1EEDBD84A790@shockergroup.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 21:59:00 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2064\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2064) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 03:00:05 -0000 Hello list, I have two RootBSD instances, both upgraded to 10.0-RELEASE-p9 (when it = was the newest available) from 8.x-ish. Both are mail servers and have Spam Assassin installed. SA uses curl to = update rules. On one box, sa-update works fine, and on the other, sa-update fails with = this error: /usr/lib/libssl.so.7: Undefined symbol "EVP_aes_128_gcm" It=E2=80=99s actually curl generating the error. Even just issuing curl = -V from the command line gives the error. I=E2=80=99ve done a pkg update -f curl on the offending box, and = that=E2=80=99s not fixed anything. Both instances' /usr/lib/libssl.so.7 exist and has the same sum. I=E2=80=99ve run "openssl speed -evp aes-128-gcm=E2=80=9D on the = offending box - I figured it would error out the same way, but it = worked. The library seems to have this symbol: # readelf --syms /usr/lib/libssl.so.7 | grep aes 41: 00000000 49 FUNC GLOBAL DEFAULT UND EVP_aes_192_cbc 113: 00000000 7 FUNC GLOBAL DEFAULT UND = EVP_aes_256_cbc_hmac_sha1 180: 00000000 7 FUNC GLOBAL DEFAULT UND = EVP_aes_128_cbc_hmac_sha1 194: 00000000 49 FUNC GLOBAL DEFAULT UND EVP_aes_256_cbc 292: 00000000 49 FUNC GLOBAL DEFAULT UND EVP_aes_256_gcm 320: 00000000 49 FUNC GLOBAL DEFAULT UND EVP_aes_128_cbc 342: 00000000 49 FUNC GLOBAL DEFAULT UND EVP_aes_128_gcm I=E2=80=99m not in a position to do any deep upgrading of these = instances unless in a controlled fashion. Any thoughts as to what=E2=80=99s wrong and how I can get curl working? Thanks, -Tom -- Tom Ierna From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 04:03:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B8B34A9 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578D478F for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8C655CB8C9C; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:03:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from 69.209.227.251 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:03:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4209.69.209.227.251.1419825797.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> <2641.69.209.227.251.1419803774.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:03:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Warren Block" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Valeri Galtsev X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:03:18 -0000 On Sun, December 28, 2014 8:53 pm, Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2014, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On Sun, December 28, 2014 1:40 pm, Warren Block wrote: >>> >>> Your boot menu suggests that Windows 7 is installed for standard BIOS >>> booting. The easiest way to deal with this is to reinstall FreeBSD for >>> standard BIOS booting also, with an MBR format. Then you can install >>> the boot0 multiboot program, but it really doesn't offer anything that >>> the BIOS boot menu does not already have. >>> >>> Please also consider running FreeBSD as a VM with one of the many >>> virtualization options. That has many advantages over multiboot >>> setups. >> >> There is a big difference: in last case you have the machine running >> Windows 7. Just out of curiosity: do _you_ have the same level of trust >> to >> Windows 7/8 system as you do to FreeBSD? If yes, why at all would you go >> into trouble running FreeBSD? Just curious (no offense to >> anyone/anything >> intended ;-) > > If Windows (or anything, really) is alternately running with FreeBSD, > there's already a trust issue. The other OS has access to FreeBSD's > disks when FreeBSD is not running. > > Either way, setting up VMs is easier and less hazardous than modifying > existing disk boot blocks and partitions. Allowing multiple operating > systems to run at the same time means that the functionality of the host > or other VMs is still available. With multiboot, only one system is > available, and that can be challenging for new users who get FreeBSD > started but don't have access to the web for researching questions > because X or a text-mode browser or even a network connection has not > been set up yet. I do agree with you as far as usage of VMs is concerned, but only when I run FreeBSD as host system, and a bunch of other systems in VMs (which I have to have and use as I support these systems run on real boxes). For the goal of running windows as host system and being able to easily build and play with open source software I really would recommend to give a try to cygwin. BTW, as far as I know cygwin (created sort of under the hood of RedHat) was the first that invented to convert on the fly Linux API calls to Windows etc. Only several years (~ 5 years) later others started doing similar thing. Parallels Desktop, Virtual Box, Vmware to name three... (vmware existed forever but was originally emulating generic CPU). All is certainly much more sophisticated, so don't take me literally, and don't take my observation (who was the first etc) for ultimate truth ;-) Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 04:26:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AD9F7D2 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FC1E1AA0 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:26:54 +0000 (UTC) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.18.5 (ClamAV engine v0.98.5) Received: from [2602:301:77e5:6160:69f7:845c:39df:ef85] (account jon@radel.com HELO [IPv6:2602:301:77e5:6160:69f7:845c:39df:ef85]) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.11 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 497614; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:26:45 +0000 References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> <2641.69.209.227.251.1419803774.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <4209.69.209.227.251.1419825797.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <4209.69.209.227.251.1419825797.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <4017D1FA-4131-4EB8-8FEC-747C9BDCDC66@radel.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (12B440) From: Jon Radel Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:26:44 -0600 To: "galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:26:55 -0000 >=20 > BTW, as far as I know cygwin (created sort of under the hood of RedHat) For a very loose value of "sort of." It's creation predates the acquisition= of Cygnus, the original creator, by Red Hat by a number of years.=20 --Jon Radel= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 04:27:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C15A285C for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-x229.google.com (mail-oi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EAA21AB5 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i138so23300473oig.0 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:27:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LU6HgBcYS8zGqMUyLw3b6QMtzdRPG+omnKyiku4RctE=; b=eIc6F//4LzneavwUjOL6CQnOYMhBQUiFwMepgvFPR/VL10qX5yYbXC3ABvJldNMRVG mdvE+ledgZJA/7VLsielps2oqDQpnCitBgTkn5iqQRZd22XwsOxdRpSgJmTBaRB/F5ov VL6ZpisW/qPoyBggMDERq4GXFo1HJM0i3WCb+wg+Y9tSKHISMugzORW8RyBs5VQDvnOy QvwJXv/d6oaJA5IccRHtVXLZsAn0tsrs2mrd7hD1vnTaNOMCzman0A4Y5SRTQhR2SGer 0/iXRIImpNa77uG5M6kZyVFRJgvb9RGZ2/RqA/tRlVd7Wh4mMTf8hPkbty+VG4VFv0ET VqaA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.176.132 with SMTP id z126mr14026683oie.41.1419827259428; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.247.74 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:27:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:27:39 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: what's the story with openssl? From: jungle Boogie To: David Benfell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:27:40 -0000 Hi David, On 28 December 2014 at 10:43, David Benfell wrote: > Hi all, > > This seems like it should be an unbelievably stupid question. But I > guess FreeBSD's idea of sane defaults for openssl do not accord with > my idea of sane defaults for openssl. > > I have tried the security/ca_root_nss port now both with and without > the option to create the link in /etc. It doesn't help. > > Why am I having to specify --ca-certificate > /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt to make wget work? What do I > have to do to make this not necessary--and *stay* not necessary? > I use fetch and a last year or so I came across this: http://smyck.net/2014/01/22/freebsd-authentication-error/ I don't even know if this applies anymore with 10.1+ > Thanks! > -- > David Benfell > See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the > attachment. -- ------- inum: 883510009027723 sip: jungleboogie@sip2sip.info xmpp: jungle-boogie@jit.si From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 04:33:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59665924 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [50.250.218.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F8371BDE for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 45E436D86BCC; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:33:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:33:06 -0800 From: David Benfell To: jungle Boogie Subject: Re: what's the story with openssl? Message-ID: <20141229043306.GA29642@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FCuugMFkClbJLl1L" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:33:07 -0000 --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 08:27:39PM -0800, jungle Boogie wrote: >=20 > I use fetch and a last year or so I came across this: > http://smyck.net/2014/01/22/freebsd-authentication-error/ >=20 > I don't even know if this applies anymore with 10.1+ >=20 I just upgraded the packages. The trouble had returned before, but had not affected rss2email. Now I seem to have no way around the problem. --=20 David Benfell See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment. --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUoNmCAAoJEBV64x4SNmArQYcP/2sl6fy3fzw4IxhSyLDSeFhc i8T6fjVCPXSzdzKY4v0WEKJAgpk7xGucFWLpFcNIDBns4GkXYIzllMrmc03gc2iZ u+0GbD1//YfN+MeKrIOedLPaODXLHpjlAbGHffOzb6md7YaAmxRtuY4F9W/AtYfE CBt7S62GFtHHqPxAGPCnkkkMe5bhCiAJleajHFrbiwWzqFP514g5SkfDNd0KKKUl OcBr2O1Jy6zXpQmj25nuAJGH12HMQhOYQPaTDyNKal90qWywbaMTI3jjrZcJDjvv /V/OUqkyC5nx+1YLBKqhZ+7XdbbHaHLTMXIhhr81g10ah5TMpInJsdXtyjeBAwMo pGidOJfeMy1r34okziBWMzC0aWcf9HzcAL/KjkX/ePe9oWEGdQk17lkKN5RmOz+4 uwq9HpOhttKQ9ZWXFCf7mFDHMflN24s42waAAhthhrnnR02mNUj9hd9HkCp2eDK9 wKRtntzMkOc5riUtRBIcRWMtubAQUCJ2peJaUuzKka5+iDnK5RNtTLglb4+Dkx5R L+q3iMjLAWu2ODJLdRcVvylsHiMUjaljbe96lOckdOiBWSO5uyiTUSJUdpnWv7eh ix/KZs1wQKJMUALwazOC5rox1eOVkSE6kvG20QFCucITTiXMsDJMj3+PxIcxJ8aa WRSLa9QsaKCcS8WFn9pV =Kp+5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 04:36:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90BA29C5 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653E91C0E for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 9E735CB8C9C; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:36:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from 69.209.227.251 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:36:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4675.69.209.227.251.1419827793.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <4017D1FA-4131-4EB8-8FEC-747C9BDCDC66@radel.com> References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> <2641.69.209.227.251.1419803774.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <4209.69.209.227.251.1419825797.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <4017D1FA-4131-4EB8-8FEC-747C9BDCDC66@radel.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:36:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Jon Radel" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:36:34 -0000 On Sun, December 28, 2014 10:26 pm, Jon Radel wrote: > >> >> BTW, as far as I know cygwin (created sort of under the hood of RedHat) > > For a very loose value of "sort of." It's creation predates the > acquisition of Cygnus, the original creator, by Red Hat by a number of > years. > Thanks! I knew cygnus solutions as the name of creator, now all pieces are in place, thanks. Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 07:10:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E55E1C83 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x22f.google.com (mail-qa0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D3D822E2 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id n4so8693279qaq.20 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:10:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5TgNxjwFE3B0Q7CYGi9Qep3QzxINPHdHRO80eZEsBiQ=; b=pDdVy9Z2ye2SHqFXkB0nVfDXQ+3zxZIsI91FAniIw2qfR922cLJ+CivjlWBItFJsv9 9rXkuI7OLUOfavoTnm4hma7oX9LbVPRNRBFJIQI67U5lYhQf3cN4uFEMMG3hb/nyok8H EluZN7xdJGQ0vjyb0Q9AIaqWR/0AcesgB/Jlfg10BE9jlokKyPvgzSZ5UPsmq1EeL9bx GRbUZI75nNP3hPOym6V/Saxpkp79Wknv7b99Az/Ur/3fgjvMm3NB3VSFOPy3JKOoQC/K PbmbXH8EP/jnGs0hbCaRV6oa0rtwiyZ+pys7t71A596xpbrzWgswVqfG7eSKDfPQdtmc Fjwg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.25.139 with SMTP id z11mr53754557qab.17.1419837039767; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.94.55 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:10:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:10:39 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI From: Nguyen Binh To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:10:41 -0000 http://saigon-langthang.blogspot.com/ 2014-12-26 14:29 GMT+07:00 James Griffin : > Christian Baer wrote on Thu 25.Dec'14 at 17:54:10 +0100 > > > Hi everyone! > > > > For the first time, I am trying to get FreeBSD to run on a machine with > > UEFI. Thought I might go modern. :-) > > > > This time I installed Windows 7 first. However, I did not find any step > > during installation where I could install a boot manager to choose if I > > wanted to run Windows or FreeBSD. Currently, the only way I can choose > > the OS now is to use the Mobos EFI boot manager, which of course is not > > the way I want to go. > > > > It seems that I am walking on pretty much untouched soil here. There is > > no mention of a boot manager in the Handbook and even a searchengine > > doesn't find anything useful if UEFI is part of the search criteria. > > > > Is what I am trying to do really that exotic? What do I have to look out > > for? > > > > Best regards, > > Chris > > As long as you have a part of the disk for FreeBSD, when you install > FreeBSD it will provide its own bootmanager. > > This is what works best. I wouldn't bother trying to get Windows to do > this. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 07:18:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B502D98 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x22d.google.com (mail-qa0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 510D42479 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id f12so7495939qad.32 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:18:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HnheHiaGo9+GaP7UtnMMjucdJpJTVTU/U3Sc9wnQPKY=; b=XMAKnsq1rovtngTYkBfOp/V3CkA2McV/FgcYRMnzYttQbhDOwUYv3S0zMTyDhnFHt7 +IVa13teYCV6FcAWZDHS0bX7FvVTkU6nhUZPpLNym1caG6P2PYlBu3aIBysBqdtqRuYL dRd4++OUDD8VlRkaWgevCXSMJpfnNSjS14eq325VTiFthstbhAuWQgTODq402JdLOloF Zy/2y62YzQiSdLqHZXy5ic4CBUnwE8muZCIriTHOE3tFpwrjWAvziN6seInN66kuajND VcbYeRrYWrbhEhenZtu5Wd80ns2pehIcHnF6IufWK0nt2kKncHebpwq7ixpmFlUzIrnG 3MMw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.25.139 with SMTP id z11mr53790634qab.17.1419837506543; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:18:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.94.55 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:18:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141222133529.GA3876@unixarea.DDR.dd> References: <5497CE57.8020601@compudoc.za.org> <20141222133529.GA3876@unixarea.DDR.dd> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:18:26 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Using Nokia Cell Phone or GSM Modem to send sms's From: Nguyen Binh To: Matthias Apitz , Godfrey Hamshire , FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:18:27 -0000 http://saigon-langthang.blogspot.com/ 2014-12-22 20:35 GMT+07:00 Matthias Apitz : > El d=C3=ADa Monday, December 22, 2014 a las 09:55:03AM +0200, Godfrey Ham= shire > escribi=C3=B3: > > > > > Using Nokia Cell Phone or GSM Modem to send sms's > > > > Dear Memeber > > > > I was wondering if anyone has had experience with connecting a 3g/gsm o= f > > the type you can find in Cell Phone Shops to freebsd or a old nokia > > symbian cell phone via its usb cable to freebsd. > > > > ... > > In the past I used cellphones with RS232 interface acting like a > normal modem on this interface. There are AT-cmds defined to send SM and > do other stuff. The principal spec is (was) GSM 07.07, IIRC. > > HIH > > matthias > -- > Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 > 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. > El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez. > Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg > ziehen. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 07:27:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA16FF6C for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f51.google.com (mail-oi0-f51.google.com [209.85.218.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B136E2584 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f51.google.com with SMTP id e131so28121069oig.10 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:27:35 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MS6U6kAh48WgWJcgCG6K2CFlILU63G8ARaXLAtXBan0=; b=NWGs9U2mQbFUXphNYeCRj+75o4wWaf3DsUDVpoloqLjvP2kJljq8wJ+L6MWtS7sOqt HZPhIBAPztD2+RMVV6px8pMSOMaoTNe4Q4od5Fgvo+geQukzWj9YPdfArLo9KZ6e9/rV /jzEGgSAlV0NN6dmJhnz4a4jqGryx+lBWO3bt/F/VNSiGTpC7/bdVtt7wPEc3C5w5+om XT5j/JVMFkYhTx75pA98NehEyct82vygHiKwARXRRBjCSN0cMwcFLGMcJstxxbD93Ka8 V2MxLI78JNjZHbBV6KPYYIDSED/qZmLN+hF1DovpxB0nCP/cMPVVQJg/H3S4typsQ5b8 UjeQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnKNzXuvUO4Baeqh13BvS6e3SROKKfU68+9173xVqlH73k11izUADnmrOaaFnpmMolaRpJv X-Received: by 10.202.106.17 with SMTP id f17mr30234302oic.130.1419834414693; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (76-252-236-89.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net. [76.252.236.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r132sm15344475oib.11.2014.12.28.22.26.52 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:26:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54A0F430.9040303@brianwhalen.net> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:26:56 -0800 From: brian User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: bsd.openssl.Mk problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 141228-1, 12/28/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:27:36 -0000 i have been having a problem with portupgrade -a on a 10.1-i386 system that is running pkg that I solved tonight and thought I would pass it along. I was getting numerous repeats of the below error when I ran portupgrade -a # portupgrade -a [Reading data from pkg(8) ... - 54 packages found - done] make: "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.openssl.mk" line 98: warning: Couldn't read shell's output for "/usr/local/sbin/pkg-static which -qo /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so || :" Looking at the file: :/usr/local/lib # ls -l libcrypto.so* lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14 Aug 21 06:29 libcrypto.so -> libcrypto.so.8 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 1808842 Aug 21 06:29 libcrypto.so.8 I checked to see if it came from a port, and it seems it didn't. :/usr/ports # pkg which /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so was not found in the database :/usr/ports # pkg which /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so.8 /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so.8 was not found in the database At any rate, once I installed the openssl package v 1.0.1_16 and the problem no longer appears. Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 07:34:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AE7AC5 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 103A4266F for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from julie.krylon.net ([79.236.196.84]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lwarz-1XnL5B0ech-018K84 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:34:42 +0100 From: Benjamin Walkenhorst Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Build breaks on 10.1-RELEASE Message-Id: <96D9614E-62AA-4AAA-A8F1-0F76F56EA8E7@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:34:21 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:vemAoIPc6/Jt45r1lpPZntqemCQHmioeggQS+P8ezFU1NpejWOJ pfBN5YKpqPdflXCmGhEXTbp5aVcDOSjcFQ+4y1IY8FC892f93nSh9XHguPhniCfxf6RjNyX 99wYbrDixYb6htc/yjwdLtoIsET87WYGcIyDwZtCr88ESkULHGfXKzDSofSefQbtF+ep34a EIYyFtFvFlURUEgGLHKjA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:34:46 -0000 Hello everyone, After updating FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE (with freebsd-update fetch && = freebsd-update install) running in a VM under VirtualBox (although I do = not think that is related to my problem) to 10.1-RELEASE-p3, I wanted to = rebuild my custom kernel. After some time, the build aborted with the following error message: --- all_subdir_aesni --- In file included from = /usr/src/sys/modules/aesni/../../crypto/aesni/aesni_wrap.c:40: /usr/src/sys/modules/aesni/../../crypto/aesni/aesencdec.h:30:10: fatal = error: 'wmmintrin.h' file not found #include ^ Checking for the headers in /usr/include as well as the compiler = version, I get the following results: [8:25|root@lonny:/usr/src]# find /usr/include -type f -iname "*intrin.h" /usr/include/clang/3.3/x86intrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/immintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/nmmintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/prfchwintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/lzcntintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/rdseedintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/popcntintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/xopintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/bmiintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/ammintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/fmaintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/emmintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/xmmintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/bmi2intrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/avxintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/pmmintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/mmintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/smmintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/tmmintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/fma4intrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/f16cintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/avx2intrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/rtmintrin.h /usr/include/clang/3.3/wmmintrin.h [8:25|root@lonny:/usr/src]# cc --version FreeBSD clang version 3.4.1 (tags/RELEASE_34/dot1-final 208032) 20140512 Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd10.1 Thread model: posix An Internet search engine of my choice told me that someone had run into = the same error message about half a year ago, but I found no solution to = the problem. For some reason I have already managed to forget I though running make = buildworld might help, but that, too, ended in tears: = /usr/src/lib/clang/libclangbasic/../../../contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Bas= ic/SourceManager.cpp:1208:10: fatal error: 'emmintrin.h' file not found #include ^ 1 error generated. mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Worried that maybe the source tree got corrupted/broken in some way, I = downloaded src.txz from a nearby mirror, moved /usr/src to the side, = extracted the sources again, then ran freebsd-update to once more fetch = and install any updates. But both make kernel and make buildworld still = give me the same error. I am kind of lost here. Have other people run into the same problem? Is = it a problem with the source tree or with my system? I would greatly appreciate any insights you might be able to share with = me. Thank you very much, Benjamin= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 08:29:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33F2C709 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x234.google.com (mail-lb0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A981164E8C for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id l4so10710584lbv.11 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:29:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=DUm4QkoqqAM9LSR8EbTsSbBDzCYIN8QzLg79dx7qxOM=; b=yDPxw7DM/lyqzwEh0ZmFn7l7paJrORCo8uB0GLnOAOF/ojC1Yx7qMFVgFn0Z1OH7Sz 5nBYdyaSsjzN6ODIOZA9syLKFVlj0xNbzqBMwLMjdgBlEO0juFEj3ReFO0yLX8MS4UvF bHjP6x1z36hNBUdVz04aiYW/ogqRoZoJAOXhS60HVpVDxSWrmEzkXctQqUDgUMi0IrGg aalynfzstSLHfpgvQO4fEjoYrw4QzTTzFmVchdz8CGYUilNNTce9b8Ebo12t9H7RbY2n sYjirnWqw9/sYMicr0Wl7U9u724clAcbcFTXBnknKsSM9xtD1KdQpCFqj4l8QXjqQxPS mmmg== X-Received: by 10.112.169.34 with SMTP id ab2mr55077103lbc.77.1419841793731; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:29:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.35.199 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:29:13 -0800 (PST) From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:29:13 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Backing Up a journaled FS To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:29:56 -0000 I hope everyone enjoyed their foods & drinks during Christmas:) Now, being new to 10-RELEASE, things continue to amaze me, but I attribute that to my slowness in understanding 10. I have been used to 8.x and below so much that when changes started getting into 9.x and into 10.x I was simply overwhelmed. Now it's biting. I have a server I installed with two identical disks. I used BSD labels instead of GPT and I had it a little rough creating my slices, because I am used to a situation where I only created / amd swap for such servers because it made life easy for me during backup. I would completely wipe all data on the second disk every Saturday, via a cron, and write it with data from the primary/running/active disk as a means of backup. Not so dandy but works quite fine anyway. Now I have gotten to a point where I am stopped in my tracks because I cannot do dump/restore on a journaled fs: root@mail:/ # mount /dev/ada0a on / (ufs, local, journaled soft-updates) devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel) /dev/ada1a on /disk2 (ufs, local, journaled soft-updates) fdescfs on /dev/fd (fdescfs) root@mail:/ # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ada0a 446G 6.5G 403G 2% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/ada1a 446G 32M 410G 0% /disk2 fdescfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev/fd root@mail:/ # ls -al /disk2/ total 32840 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 32768 Dec 22 16:28 . drwxr-xr-x 20 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 16:30 .. drwxrwxr-x 2 root operator 512 Dec 22 16:28 .snap -r-------- 1 root wheel 33554432 Dec 22 16:28 .sujournal root@mail:/ # grep dump /scripts/backup_primary_disk.sh /sbin/dump -L0af - / | (cd /disk2/; restore -rf - ) root@mail:/ # /sbin/dump -L0af - / | (cd /disk2/; restore -rf -) mksnap_ffs: Cannot create snapshot //.snap/dump_snapshot: /: Snapshots are not yet supported when running with journaled soft updates: Operation not supported dump: Cannot create //.snap/dump_snapshot: No such file or directory Tape is not a dump tape root@mail:/ # So, do I have to disable the journaling option from the FS, or is there a better way to achieve the same result with journaling still on? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 09:33:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44FED669 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04E2F19CB for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-39-170.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.39.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7766827945; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:33:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sBT9XFgZ002001; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:33:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:33:15 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Odhiambo Washington Subject: Re: Backing Up a journaled FS Message-Id: <20141229103315.734bc78a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:33:26 -0000 On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:29:13 +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > So, do I have to disable the journaling option from the FS, or is there a > better way to achieve the same result with journaling still on? If you want to use dump/restore, you will probably have to do one of the following things: a) boot into single user mode and mount / read-only, then run dump, or b) probably a bad idea, but you _could_ (technically) run "mount -fur /" and then run dump, afterwards running "mount -fuw /". Note that disabling the journaling option also requires that the partition is _not_ in use, which means, it is unmounted; see "man tunefs" for details. Otherwise, using something different from dump/restore could work better in your situation, maybe using cpio, tar, or cpdup. You'd have to verify that file attributes are also being copied 1:1, which is what dump/restore is actually good at. In worst case, you could use dd (like "dd if=/dev/ada0 of=/dev/ada1 bs=1m"), but even if this will surely work, make sure that _no_ writing is performed on the disk while reading. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 10:44:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34733692 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moss.fendo.es (unknown [IPv6:2001:41d0:1:9c47::1825:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1EA6664D3 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ubuntu (unknown [194.183.97.229]) (Authenticated sender: dave@fendo.es) by moss.fendo.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BC26A1D64A9 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:44:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:44:01 +0100 From: David Figuera To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what's the story with openssl? Message-Id: <20141229114401.5c808c221cf005b25c1659dd@fendo.es> In-Reply-To: <20141229043306.GA29642@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> <20141229043306.GA29642@home.parts-unknown.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0beta5 (GTK+ 2.24.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:44:24 -0000 On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:33:06 -0800 David Benfell wrote: > On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 08:27:39PM -0800, jungle Boogie wrote: > > > > I use fetch and a last year or so I came across this: > > http://smyck.net/2014/01/22/freebsd-authentication-error/ > > > > I don't even know if this applies anymore with 10.1+ > > > I just upgraded the packages. The trouble had returned before, but > had not affected rss2email. Now I seem to have no way around the > problem. Try this: ln -s /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt /etc/ssl/cert.pem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 11:12:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E1DFC78 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moss.fendo.es (moss.fendo.es [91.121.103.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD97B16A3 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ubuntu (unknown [194.183.97.229]) (Authenticated sender: dave@fendo.es) by moss.fendo.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D2D071D64A9 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:12:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:12:32 +0100 From: David Figuera To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what's the story with openssl? Message-Id: <20141229121232.d29f9f12a8cc8364f184fefa@fendo.es> In-Reply-To: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0beta5 (GTK+ 2.24.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:12:47 -0000 On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:43:19 -0800 David Benfell wrote: > Hi all, > > This seems like it should be an unbelievably stupid question. But I > guess FreeBSD's idea of sane defaults for openssl do not accord with > my idea of sane defaults for openssl. > > I have tried the security/ca_root_nss port now both with and without > the option to create the link in /etc. It doesn't help. > > Why am I having to specify --ca-certificate > /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt to make wget work? What do I > have to do to make this not necessary--and *stay* not necessary? If after having selected the option, it doesn't create the symlink for you, try contacting the port maintainer. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 11:47:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2479C2BA for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [IPv6:2001:470:67:119::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF8341E4E for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 890976D86A80; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 03:47:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 03:47:52 -0800 From: David Benfell To: David Figuera Subject: Re: what's the story with openssl? Message-ID: <20141229114751.GA35965@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> <20141229043306.GA29642@home.parts-unknown.org> <20141229114401.5c808c221cf005b25c1659dd@fendo.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20141229114401.5c808c221cf005b25c1659dd@fendo.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:47:54 -0000 --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:44:01AM +0100, David Figuera wrote: >=20 > Try this: > ln -s /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt /etc/ssl/cert.pem The link already exists, (re)created when I rebuilt that port: [benfell@home ~]% ls -al /etc/ssl/cert.pem=20 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 38 Dec 28 10:17 /etc/ssl/cert.pem -> /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt --=20 David Benfell See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment. --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUoT9nAAoJEBV64x4SNmArMdQP/iNZ5SsF7rmOawRLqWwXo3JX AoF53FPPD0XpFAebsind3gygqnk17o71+CpQER3WztIljZM9l5mlZHUbTEeB/oLS xXjV1rmu5KKUSdKaUdzJRk9LHvF5+4ZaiY73s8ROimhwbWVcSRk7TP3phm0DEjRQ MviGTlfYAt7BFRPTlv535TRv/xqZVOuSkOeYRruspQuvVqlrZNEL+kh4hlEhjg1x NHu+Zi4GeZLf2rqGnbZ+r9uU0TnH6XAgNGaQ05Q6IP6YqXpxf5VLzBqAU84sirmj DU9LtzmLr50sXy9ZHU7XWJzbIhbAQUq90046vgsdtIhxcAbxSZHqsaMxQ2LjF7pT AK2lQ6cXQ+ct+b2A7IRIexxefwRZHl3pgk45zAwWsEh72yUVSyfyD8V6HXiu+21d H1FQd5BkbcQM3Ux2CiZOgxA4ZyE1gApvIx+6h1icYgOVayY2Xh9osmKDWHRgZxkX I7Ra1Nt4JYJ7n2Z3I7LQ+B1EGcGjmkcNjhOdj7q7DJ6QUBI0ka2/6ikWvn0tyC8/ UR5mz339hrbZQqMAhjF3KcwDSZPH9bVosiJiF6L2r6DtjIQY66IyNAOJrr7UGnVW KiV1b9cFpGCw3afXISHQ/MjL7mu465e01XLCDbZzRZn+FLOVEElvTZnV4VWt/JiL Z04aoP9Eijfpyn3TxJzG =TEBK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 12:42:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0054DCAE for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU004-OMC4S18.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s18.hotmail.com [65.55.111.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93FB666782 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU436-SMTP227 ([65.55.111.137]) by BLU004-OMC4S18.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:40:53 -0800 X-TMN: [Ho+Xj0Z2qkItPeWEugjBBFcB0NjVC/OU] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@outlook.com] Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:40:33 -0500 From: Carmel NY To: User questions Subject: Check if IPFW is running Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2014 12:40:52.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[AEA82020:01D02364] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:42:01 -0000 Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:38:30 -0500 This is probably a dumb question, but how do I tell if IPFW is running. I start it automatically when I boot up. However, it seems to crash from time to time. I cannot use the "status" option with it so how do I tell if it is running? -- Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 13:37:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 379A039B for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B94D264E1C for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home ([83.162.243.5]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id ZRcz1p00F07iGuj01Rd0ph; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:37:00 +0100 Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 537DA123DB; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:36:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:36:59 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Odhiambo Washington Subject: Re: Backing Up a journaled FS Message-ID: <20141229133659.GA99537@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , User Questions References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: User Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:37:10 -0000 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:29:13AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > I hope everyone enjoyed their foods & drinks during Christmas:) Of course. :-) > I have a server I installed with two identical disks. I used BSD labels > instead of GPT and I had it a little rough creating my slices, because I = am > used to a situation where I only created / amd swap for such servers > because it made life easy for me during backup. I would completely wipe a= ll > data on the second disk every Saturday, via a cron, and write it with data > from the primary/running/active disk as a means of backup. Not so dandy b= ut > works quite fine anyway. > Now I have gotten to a point where I am stopped in my tracks because I > cannot do dump/restore on a journaled fs: My solution to this problem was to manually create the similar partitions on the second disk. These partitions are also listed in /etc/fstab as /mnt/bk/ with the =E2=80=9Cnoauto=E2=80=9D option. Every night a cron job running rsync mounts the partitions on the spare disk and syncronizes them with the primary. This works something like this; FLAGS=3D"-axq -H --delete" LOG=3D"logger -t 'backup-local'" # This script assumes that the backups are not mounted. mount /mnt/bk/root if df|grep /mnt/bk/root >/dev/null; then #echo "/ is good to go!" rsync $FLAGS / /mnt/bk/root && $LOG "/ successfully backed-up." umount /mnt/bk/root else echo "Backup for / not mounted! Not backed up." fi (Similar for other partitions). You can find the complete script on my website: http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/freebsd/automated-local-backups.html Due to the use of logger(1) and the && operator which makes sure that it on= ly logs when rsync was succesful, I can check if the backup actually worked in /var/log/messages; Dec 29 04:00:00 mybox 'backup-local': / successfully backed-up. Dec 29 04:03:03 mybox 'backup-local': /usr successfully backed-up. Dec 29 04:03:56 mybox 'backup-local': /home successfully backed-up. Dec 29 04:04:01 mybox 'backup-local': /var successfully backed-up. Because it uses rsync, this backup is generally relatively fast. But it only saves a single copy. So this is basically just a primary defense against e.= g. a disk dying. For saving data I generally rsync to a USB disk that is stored off-site. And just like dump/restore, this doesn't back up boot blocks. But you can e= =2Eg. boot from a CD or memstick to restore those. Hope this helps, Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 13:59:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71B69C56 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outbound.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7952597 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.220] (97e32650.skybroadband.com [151.227.38.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound.ifdnrg.com (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id sBTDfHcc047346 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:41:26 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) X-Authentication-Warning: outbound.ifdnrg.com: Host 97e32650.skybroadband.com [151.227.38.80] claimed to be [192.168.0.220] Message-ID: <54A15A0A.1080601@ifdnrg.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:41:30 +0000 From: Paul Macdonald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Check if IPFW is running References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:59:51 -0000 On 29/12/2014 12:40, Carmel NY wrote: > Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:38:30 -0500 > > This is probably a dumb question, but how do I tell if IPFW is running. I > start it automatically when I boot up. However, it seems to crash from time > to time. I cannot use the "status" option with it so how do I tell if it is > running? > ipfw list will show current rulesets. -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 14:46:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5AEC5EF for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 699CB3BE5 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-227.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.227]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sBTEkiDO020149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:46:44 -0600 Message-ID: <54A16ACB.3080805@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:52:59 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: How do I print .... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:46:52 -0000 .... pdf files which were created as portrait layout in landscape ? I normally pipe them through pdf2ps to lpr to print them. Pdf2ps is just a wrapper for ghostscript, I think (according to the man page). FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5, whatever lpr is current, I can't seem to determine lpr version. Any more info needed, just ask & TIA .... -- William A. 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Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 16:48:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8272B5AD for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x234.google.com (mail-la0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05A1921E0 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id hs14so11679871lab.11 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:48:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=OWRwfXHoCu8yuRyjtvTngHPxPhjaFZNldNlp0jnpm0c=; b=R2XauTCoY750inKzKeHbbEh9hj4GJCoMiTh6Xm2BoQjCnBlfARo/bNatZkdXFvhxj9 Ja0XFzN5xedbhF9rc6H7NLjgH3U/0GIE9yw2Y9VD6rbG+bWxJsGYQcDRiDGbfSO7nzXW SyfGqM8wf2OLjAZmH3I91ulTHNVrp1o6LPzwo8bdp2EPuBhGWv5FyEJP/utiiLFjfDUA jMsqDEWJ8Dj94GAfW9UXwxp9bfWimPKAbW3o0JNg9Rs3uE0ioboQbU4v3opCH1BNJ7bL 043HKCpVnbOrz24JmIArDeUd57r8QfWOdQovdPpf1wJUrnB7ZCj29pW+2g60xgT5PDpo s6Nw== X-Received: by 10.152.121.100 with SMTP id lj4mr57096716lab.58.1419871723854; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:48:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.35.199 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:48:03 -0800 (PST) From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:48:03 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Adding more swap for FreeBSD 10 To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:48:46 -0000 My FreeBSD system is crashing so much for lack of swap. I used BSD labels instead of GPT and I had it a little rough creating my slices and this resulted in me not creating the swap partition. Now, if I run 'bsdinstall partedit', I see that it is possible to create a partition of 5.8GB at the end of my disks. However, the gui from bsdinstall wouldn't let me commit my changes on the already live disks. Is there a command line way of achieving the above with bsdinstall without destroying a disk? I am hoping that there is something like 'bsdinstall scriptedpart .....' -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." 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[94.195.197.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r3sm40236144wic.10.2014.12.29.09.21.39 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:21:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:21:39 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backing Up a journaled FS Message-ID: <20141229172139.46b85f44@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:21:43 -0000 On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:29:13 +0300 Odhiambo Washington wrote: > I hope everyone enjoyed their foods & drinks during Christmas:) > > Now, being new to 10-RELEASE, things continue to amaze me, but I > attribute that to my slowness in understanding 10. > > I have been used to 8.x and below so much that when changes started > getting into 9.x and into 10.x I was simply overwhelmed. Now it's > biting. > > I have a server I installed with two identical disks. I used BSD > labels instead of GPT and I had it a little rough creating my slices, > because I am used to a situation where I only created / amd swap for > such servers because it made life easy for me during backup. I would > completely wipe all data on the second disk every Saturday, via a > cron, and write it with data from the primary/running/active disk as > a means of backup. Not so dandy but works quite fine anyway. > > Now I have gotten to a point where I am stopped in my tracks because I > cannot do dump/restore on a journaled fs: Strictly speaking I think you can, you just can't use the -L option. Whether not you want to dump without a snapshot is up to you. > So, do I have to disable the journaling option from the FS, or is > there a better way to achieve the same result with journaling still > on? Just in case you're not aware, all the journalling does is to help fsck recover unused blocks and inodes without doing a proper check or running a background fsck. It doesn't provide any extra protection against data loss, some of us have found SU + foreground fsck to be more reliable than either SU+J or SU + background fsck. I had a lot of trouble with SU+J and switched back to gjournal partitions, I think they do support snapshots. In your position I think I'd go for ZFS and have it keep two copies of everything. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 17:36:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66E953B4 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437AE3A73 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id E3E1FCB8C95; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:36:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:36:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:36:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: Xwindow advise needed From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:36:31 -0000 Dear All, I just upgraded my workstation from 10.0 to 10.1. Which made me to make "step up" from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. And after a few days of frustration (which was just trying to do the work on workstation as usually) I realized that I'm not ready to join ipad generation yet. I don't think there is any need to describe all that displeases (to use polite word) someone who attempts to do this transition. I'm sure, many of you have been though this already, and majority with success. I wonder if some of you can suggest some alternative to gnome 3. Basically, I really like logical tree-like arrangement of tolls we had in Xwindow since its very origin (though we are made to use search instead of brain these days). I do not like most of the fanciness that had been added in a step from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. Because each particular one ends up taking more of my time doing what I need to do. Any suggestion anybody? To prolong my not joining ipad generation for just a bit longer. Thanks for all your advises! Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 17:45:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 561A76B0 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 028143CE6 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBTHjsbZ079428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sBTHjsbX079425; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:45:54 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Odhiambo Washington Subject: Re: Adding more swap for FreeBSD 10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:45:54 -0700 (MST) Cc: User Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:45:57 -0000 On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > My FreeBSD system is crashing so much for lack of swap. > > I used BSD labels instead of GPT and I had it a little rough creating my > slices and this resulted in me not creating the swap partition. > > Now, if I run 'bsdinstall partedit', I see that it is possible to create a > partition of 5.8GB at the end of my disks. However, the gui from bsdinstall > wouldn't let me commit my changes on the already live disks. > > Is there a command line way of achieving the above with bsdinstall without > destroying a disk? > > I am hoping that there is something like 'bsdinstall scriptedpart .....' Use gpart(8) rather than bsdinstall. With MBR and bsdlabel, everything is more difficult than with GPT, but it still can be done. Please show the output of 'gpart show'. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 17:49:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E20F80E for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C0D13E95 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBTHnNWf080186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:49:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sBTHnNNg080183; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:49:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:49:23 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Valeri Galtsev Subject: Re: Xwindow advise needed In-Reply-To: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: References: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:49:24 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:49:25 -0000 On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Dear All, > > I just upgraded my workstation from 10.0 to 10.1. Which made me to make > "step up" from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. And after a few days of frustration > (which was just trying to do the work on workstation as usually) I > realized that I'm not ready to join ipad generation yet. > > I don't think there is any need to describe all that displeases (to use > polite word) someone who attempts to do this transition. I'm sure, many of > you have been though this already, and majority with success. I wonder if > some of you can suggest some alternative to gnome 3. Basically, I really > like logical tree-like arrangement of tolls we had in Xwindow since its > very origin (though we are made to use search instead of brain these > days). I do not like most of the fanciness that had been added in a step > from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. Because each particular one ends up taking more > of my time doing what I need to do. > > Any suggestion anybody? To prolong my not joining ipad generation for just > a bit longer. See x11/mate or x11-wm/xfce4. 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However, the gui > from bsdinstall wouldn't let me commit my changes on the already live > disks. > > Is there a command line way of achieving the above with bsdinstall > without destroying a disk? > > I am hoping that there is something like 'bsdinstall > scriptedpart .....' You can use a file as swap. See : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html At 12.12.2 For future references: Create 8G swap file (change count as needed) # dd if=/dev/zero of=/usr/swap0 bs=1m count=8192 Change permissions # chmod 0600 /usr/swap0 Add entry to /etc/fstab (modify md99 with the md** numbers not used you want, it must begin with md) md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap0 0 0 Use the swap without reboot # swapon -aq > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 18:28:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A21C0F79 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.22]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 325641606 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home ([83.162.243.5]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id ZWUe1p00607iGuj01WUfq1; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:39 +0100 Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 391BF123DB; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:38 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Valeri Galtsev Subject: Re: Xwindow advise needed Message-ID: <20141229182838.GA1270@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Valeri Galtsev , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:28:48 -0000 --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:36:29AM -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Dear All, >=20 > I just upgraded my workstation from 10.0 to 10.1. Which made me to make > "step up" from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. And after a few days of frustration > (which was just trying to do the work on workstation as usually) I > realized that I'm not ready to join ipad generation yet. :-) > I don't think there is any need to describe all that displeases (to use > polite word) someone who attempts to do this transition. Your comments made me glad I gave steered clear of desktop environments! > I wonder if some of you can suggest some alternative to gnome 3. Basicall= y, > I really like logical tree-like arrangement of tolls we had in Xwindow si= nce > its very origin (though we are made to use search instead of brain these > days). I do not like most of the fanciness that had been added in a step > from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. Because each particular one ends up taking more = of > my time doing what I need to do. Do you require a complete desktop environment? Or would a plain old window manager be sufficient? Because they are pretty lightweight and responsive. I've used fvwm2 (/usr/ports/x11-wm/fvwm2, http://www.fvwm.org/) for many ye= ars before switching to i3 (/usr/ports/x11-wm/i3, https://i3wm.org/), a tiling window manager, in 2012. Both work fine and have "workspaces" (virtual screens to group windows), but i3 keeps my screen uncluttered. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAABAgAGBQJUoZ1WAAoJEED21dyjijPg60gP/3uWAZj+e8Bh7BpzhGM3Yu1O ATEFbcKvOzTw2p0SkEvMAGCAgUZIPRAQipLFKMtGijx+lIwLzzcqT786sabczxEi sg2SFLOl+gWNfNmHWl9U/tr+xOjURviDO6nBVC0d0G1VsqKL+FCWAX5R1NQi+2p8 1BUbSHwGxmSV3FE/Ve+ndpwTNeJKKA5GgQV701TQRHkI6j26ovTkGTPM8rK7aEr+ Hf+TJgwnwMq6UpfyqYFLgYxhg+/UK7AoQ32Ix3QhyWWznZjce1yIka8EcqNu8imA u4z1QtidC1EtNnqjGpp9GF1/mSpSA5eb5yt0RiGtmpbxVhHUDqmIpmY3WziiuPTz xmcnNe5YV994rIpr1pMhNGLkphE0GQyQBSkdm5Rm5F7CY5fx9s0EeIVnBvpl1n6h W7jFmBsT2Pdo96siotjV0kXUTa/ANNw/JsDoao61JJrHS1Qu8xGCNKdcyEu4IhTv fMKjgEscPdw3xUJWdfkMUkFbEwu4iYA5kfDjmbqWOCmOzDGLoRkCFXvRNPf1Yt7g j5fX7P4iqDce8TczidpGhrLc2HKZA8LZHoyLhsawxkkSGZEdE4aUnMMyOR8gX570 EV9LuWcMXbfu2bhEm601ITDhtTw5UUfGji+1tGrrD+TIqVBNBLlBSpdB66daUANu dIJDyNi9ai5lPt670Ird =eu6n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 18:30:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4748FB4 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x230.google.com (mail-la0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCAE016D1 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id gf13so11368169lab.7 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:30:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=QQZnVJtQ9qHVhPIuuQGXIO9Vxsd2a8JzDO0kMcHM9H4=; b=xQBuIi1LpOFt0rWMzHKA26PQgbg337AQqW8ItgFThKYyel9jMlBhfaVrot3GUT8Bo1 V/LhdzU9/4rHOii7QRo+ohOFKEa5e346JodDBsAxOy8LdBzkVTqb8/VOD078zy3Mm5ux c2PN433S0nNLntsPDZzieHMJRFrvgK8CprD3Ws6pS8dYxLA+nW9dwoZg5gbPlzVyZrhy Yi7iJT8r+aUvVFBOEb54TMPq3rZs2dYAOxtu6MC8/Hq0paLGqQZlqSxzlQzdwRDhZYQg X0uhvfKR6uMRh3RIqk769j4KTclCBvb0WiayYl8lVfPUljfsn7moj8E6hZMnnAnMAmbz xg3w== X-Received: by 10.112.154.70 with SMTP id vm6mr56189549lbb.18.1419877827743; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:30:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20141229192828.e7fa7f970f4a3a6f3db409a7@yahoo.es> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:30:27 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Adding more swap for FreeBSD 10 To: Eduardo Morras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:30:31 -0000 This isn't an option in 10.x anymore. I tried it. On Mon, Dec 29, 2014, 21:28 Eduardo Morras wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:48:03 +0300 > Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > My FreeBSD system is crashing so much for lack of swap. > > > > I used BSD labels instead of GPT and I had it a little rough creating > > my slices and this resulted in me not creating the swap partition. > > > > Now, if I run 'bsdinstall partedit', I see that it is possible to > > create a partition of 5.8GB at the end of my disks. However, the gui > > from bsdinstall wouldn't let me commit my changes on the already live > > disks. > > > > Is there a command line way of achieving the above with bsdinstall > > without destroying a disk? > > > > I am hoping that there is something like 'bsdinstall > > scriptedpart .....' > > You can use a file as swap. > > See : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html > > At 12.12.2 > > For future references: > Create 8G swap file (change count as needed) > # dd if=/dev/zero of=/usr/swap0 bs=1m count=8192 > Change permissions > # chmod 0600 /usr/swap0 > Add entry to /etc/fstab (modify md99 with the md** numbers not used you > want, it must begin with md) > md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap0 0 0 > Use the swap without reboot > # swapon -aq > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > > Nairobi,KE > > +254733744121/+254722743223 > > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > --- --- > Eduardo Morras > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 18:50:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C421B5CF for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ssimicro.com (mail.ssimicro.com [64.247.129.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.ssimicro.com", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 781BB19FA for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from markhams-MacBook-Pro.local (rageous.ssimicro.com [64.247.134.72]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ssimicro.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sBTIOOIa069080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:24:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <54A19C59.8080608@corp.ssimicro.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:24:25 -0700 From: markham breitbach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SU+J trouble References: <20141229172139.46b85f44@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20141229172139.46b85f44@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:50:31 -0000 On 2014-12-29 10:21 AM, RW wrote: > I had a lot of trouble with SU+J and switched back to gjournal > partitions, I think they do support snapshots. In your position I > think I'd go for ZFS and have it keep two copies of everything. > _______________________________________________ > Hi There, I have been using SU+J for quite a while in a non-critical production system and I have not had any problems with it, so I am planning on a wider deployment for some upcoming upgrades. I am curious to know what sorts of problems you have had with it.=20 Thanks, -Markham From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 20:10:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED60BF5C for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A8F536B2 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBTK9lmT014934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:09:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sBTK9kc8014931; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:09:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:09:46 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Odhiambo Washington Subject: Re: Adding more swap for FreeBSD 10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20141229192828.e7fa7f970f4a3a6f3db409a7@yahoo.es> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:09:47 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Eduardo Morras X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:10:01 -0000 On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > This isn't an option in 10.x anymore. I tried it. Using a swap file? It is, I'm using it now. However, if the swap file is on the root partition, it must be mounted late, and there are some bugs involved. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 20:36:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04521C40 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22c.google.com (mail-lb0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7823864BE0 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id z12so3581792lbi.31 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:36:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=cWfuJ+VXqSIU2cFHP57PUhJVQ7+TS1r23T41rKLydsA=; b=e5AaDnW6eLVmihk55NHx5FwLh64GQUcNtgJ52cc6Ejn6OaWMLN0mfzfGfIyLLyYzfU dth3+XQsFcr1VWO76J0uX9owaHKTmTIWs/vQgUvKmwpXyINUK9JeapDO0Z6lXn5EgGEO +hsbTMCMWuQFGSItCLwIIYST03UptGTKWH6jO3sbji8dYrTGUksKEzJfD/qTkzshqu7V /GGscc0UdXNa644Q4JakZMU44cPvzcJ0km7fn2Xk40KekgCPy+GRr5hEXRFgQg8sX06h asmQVpOkfvw74j2egIYVXKLCwdxM6i3q8zZZ6FmmJXnGlSXkSJ4aQ0ICkvja72SFlXeB MpGQ== X-Received: by 10.112.148.73 with SMTP id tq9mr58711941lbb.37.1419885361447; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:36:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.35.199 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:35:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:35:21 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Adding more swap for FreeBSD 10 To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: User Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:36:04 -0000 On 29 December 2014 at 20:45, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > My FreeBSD system is crashing so much for lack of swap. >> >> I used BSD labels instead of GPT and I had it a little rough creating my >> slices and this resulted in me not creating the swap partition. >> >> Now, if I run 'bsdinstall partedit', I see that it is possible to create a >> partition of 5.8GB at the end of my disks. However, the gui from >> bsdinstall >> wouldn't let me commit my changes on the already live disks. >> >> Is there a command line way of achieving the above with bsdinstall without >> destroying a disk? >> >> I am hoping that there is something like 'bsdinstall scriptedpart .....' >> > > Use gpart(8) rather than bsdinstall. With MBR and bsdlabel, everything is > more difficult than with GPT, but it still can be done. Please show the > output of 'gpart show'. > Hi Warren, wash@mail:~$ gpart show ada0 => 0 976773168 ada0 BSD (466G) 0 964689920 1 freebsd-ufs (460G) 964689920 12083248 - free - (5.8G) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 20:45:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24F94DA1 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x234.google.com (mail-la0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 978EF64E88 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id hs14so11635355lab.25 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:45:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=/CdVL+zqJY9kfkQ+14RpwbosI07W1OQNDdilDyHlrWo=; b=HuxlBYVOQ9IaZ5anL3G0WSlj7kPnb9sKkDi3S7b+MYvLiroePHbCSgbp5Hg1R9d58v X3zBeBy3zT0580c5DMv0Dzrkbw5Q0NsgmiOTvwdoPqKi4P0erklyFfFhv8xle6cvmkDb rmhmTDcsSxAWMdlKWK/jB6Rs0T0y9irSaY0gx5CjgT4nycqLnf3zhOhrSdcsUsagYNLr j4x+2fEECIYTRhOE5x6FrQtYJg8pEQAAfPKcHhZ+G0+qpH+c71swgNqYwulfp9UGmtBt NdgDzvKgLZejnezl5aZWQ+JV6Omw9BeEP5lEjf+u3ytnoHsJtHi2cNRO/eZCGOExcMFQ 8b9w== X-Received: by 10.152.5.38 with SMTP id p6mr58729500lap.91.1419885912730; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:45:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.35.199 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:44:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20141229192828.e7fa7f970f4a3a6f3db409a7@yahoo.es> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:44:32 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Adding more swap for FreeBSD 10 To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: User Questions , Eduardo Morras X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:45:15 -0000 On 29 December 2014 at 23:09, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > This isn't an option in 10.x anymore. I tried it. >> > > Using a swap file? It is, I'm using it now. However, if the swap file is > on the root partition, it must be mounted late, and there are some bugs > involved. > HI, Because I have two identical disks, I destroyed everything on the 2nd disk (meant for dump backups) and did: bsdinstall scriptpart ada1 { 460G freebsd-ufs /, 5G freebsd-swap } Then I mounted the swap from the second disk:-( root@mail:/usr/home/wash # cat /etc/fstab # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ada0a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ada1p2 /disk2 ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ada1p3 none swap sw 0 0 But I'd like to use the free space on ada0 for swap! The second disk should be partitioned like the first, then I will use dump for backup on 2nd disk. This is a guard against disk failure only. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 21:11:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51197306 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D57CF22BB for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBTLBJu6029890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sBTLBJME029887; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:11:19 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Odhiambo Washington Subject: Re: Adding more swap for FreeBSD 10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:11:19 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: User Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:11:22 -0000 On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > On 29 December 2014 at 20:45, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > My FreeBSD system is crashing so much for lack of swap. > > I used BSD labels instead of GPT and I had it a little rough creating my > slices and this resulted in me not creating the swap partition. > > Now, if I run 'bsdinstall partedit', I see that it is possible to create a > partition of 5.8GB at the end of my disks. However, the gui from bsdinstall > wouldn't let me commit my changes on the already live disks. > > Is there a command line way of achieving the above with bsdinstall without > destroying a disk? > > I am hoping that there is something like 'bsdinstall scriptedpart .....' > > > Use gpart(8) rather than bsdinstall.  With MBR and bsdlabel, everything is more difficult than with GPT, but it still can be done.  Please show the output of 'gpart show'. > > > wash@mail:~$ gpart show ada0 > =>                     0   976773168  ada0  BSD         (466G) >                          0   964689920     1  freebsd-ufs  (460G) >          964689920   12083248        - free -            (5.8G) Oh, just bare bsdlabels... (untested): gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a4k ada0 The device for the swap entry in /etc/fstab will be ada0b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 21:22:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31E81559 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x229.google.com (mail-lb0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3A862574 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id p9so11588128lbv.0 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:22:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=gw6vUc/LMCux5lQZssIOLgZTrhHqOBKPtXV2G4kOttc=; b=QRYuhmPKCPmhCdu5+/jKeSi6iS254q6/bZ8D8tVfPVNsRvPnezWwN+119wWql20U9q q07vaaAbgzQMQUkTasC4IQENKHoDxX0pPpj8LpOu0UKD5qI9eqZkaza8MB8CGOgTxnws 0FIMXKMmPhIX40DNRwsN8G6gxFRozrVq3vAnie8EzV0S1Dve5FVFsJmrMtcQkf1m0mJc SJ4jJb1Ou5ysBE9Goa09nUdZ4voGYlv3rCO4uhpfue8iPWymzxcrSIRUrZ3vJutRAncK Vl7ljX6YbKaFlWDOOG2kKmCk5sC2WEpVlPEsrVQNp3UgQVH/NdoWuihxklflXg7Q037d Mc/g== X-Received: by 10.152.121.100 with SMTP id lj4mr58160670lab.58.1419888171765; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:22:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.35.199 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:22:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:22:11 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Adding more swap for FreeBSD 10 To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: User Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:22:54 -0000 On 30 December 2014 at 00:11, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > >> >> On 29 December 2014 at 20:45, Warren Block wrote: >> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >> >> My FreeBSD system is crashing so much for lack of swap. >> >> I used BSD labels instead of GPT and I had it a little rough >> creating my >> slices and this resulted in me not creating the swap >> partition. >> >> Now, if I run 'bsdinstall partedit', I see that it is >> possible to create a >> partition of 5.8GB at the end of my disks. However, the gui >> from bsdinstall >> wouldn't let me commit my changes on the already live disks. >> >> Is there a command line way of achieving the above with >> bsdinstall without >> destroying a disk? >> >> I am hoping that there is something like 'bsdinstall >> scriptedpart .....' >> >> >> Use gpart(8) rather than bsdinstall. With MBR and bsdlabel, >> everything is more difficult than with GPT, but it still can be done. >> Please show the output of 'gpart show'. >> >> >> wash@mail:~$ gpart show ada0 >> => 0 976773168 ada0 BSD (466G) >> 0 964689920 1 freebsd-ufs (460G) >> 964689920 12083248 - free - (5.8G) >> > > Oh, just bare bsdlabels... (untested): > > gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a4k ada0 > > The device for the swap entry in /etc/fstab will be ada0b. "untested" is rather scary:) This server is over 1800km away from me! And there is nobody there to rescue if I blow it away:) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 22:17:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6B5C120 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62CDF1D9A for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBTMHEeH045931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sBTMHEvj045928; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:17:14 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Odhiambo Washington Subject: Re: Adding more swap for FreeBSD 10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:17:14 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: User Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:17:16 -0000 On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > wash@mail:~$ gpart show ada0 > =>                     0   976773168  ada0  BSD         (466G) >                          0   964689920     1  freebsd-ufs  (460G) >          964689920   12083248        - free -            (5.8G) > > > Oh, just bare bsdlabels... (untested): > >   gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a4k ada0 > > The device for the swap entry in /etc/fstab will be ada0b. > > > > "untested" is rather scary:) > > This server is over 1800km away from me! > > And there is nobody there to rescue if I blow it away:) Back up that machine, restore it into a local VM, and test it there first. But still be ready for a quick trip. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 22:37:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CED63DA for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DA7A3062 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-39-170.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.39.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C8BA27806; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:36:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sBTMavRv002101; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:36:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:36:57 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: How do I print .... Message-Id: <20141229233657.c033a0d0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <54A16ACB.3080805@hiwaay.net> References: <54A16ACB.3080805@hiwaay.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:37:02 -0000 On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:52:59 -0600, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > [How do I print ....] > .... pdf files which were created as portrait layout in landscape ? I > normally pipe them through pdf2ps to lpr to print them. Pdf2ps is just a > wrapper for ghostscript, I think (according to the man page). FreeBSD > 9.3-RELEASE-p5, whatever lpr is current, I can't seem to determine lpr > version. Any more info needed, just ask & TIA .... You could use pdftk to preprocess the input PDF file, then continue printing as usual: % pdftk in.pdf cat 1-endE output out.pdf Sometimes programs capable of printing PDF files are able to adjust the output format from default portrait to landscape. Maybe acroread can do this. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 22:50:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E460D7BB for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4C23321C for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-39-170.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.39.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4390A278B0; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:50:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sBTMojam002123; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:50:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:50:45 +0100 From: Polytropon To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: Xwindow advise needed Message-Id: <20141229235045.b8156cdf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:50:49 -0000 On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:36:29 -0600 (CST), Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Dear All, > > I just upgraded my workstation from 10.0 to 10.1. Which made me to make > "step up" from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. And after a few days of frustration > (which was just trying to do the work on workstation as usually) I > realized that I'm not ready to join ipad generation yet. Wait, you do _not_ want fat sausage finger prints from tapping on your screen? ;-) > Any suggestion anybody? To prolong my not joining ipad generation for just > a bit longer. It depends on how much of a "desktop environment" you need. What comes closest to Gnome 3 is Gnome 2, and therefore, Mate, derived from Gnome 2. An alternative is Cinnamon. But I can't make a statement about how functional those are when running on FreeBSD. Is KDE an option for you? For a long time, Xfce has been considered the "less fatty desktop" in comparison to the "big players" Gnome and KDE. But with the growing incompatibilities btweeen FreeBSD and Linux (the system Xfce is primarily being developed on and for), you might experience missing functionality. The last statement probably is also true for LXDE. If you're comfortable with a powerful window manager, why not try something "lower level", which means: faster, less dependencies, higher productivity? Personally I'm using WindowMaker on my workstation for more than 10 years now. I've tried a lot of alternatives, but WindowMaker has the best integration of mouse and (programmable) keyboard from my experience. It's fast and versatile, and pleasant to the eyes, once configured to the user's delight. But if you want something even faster, FVWM is a good choice. As it has been mentioned, tiling window managers are even more professional. Sadly, their magic didn't open up to me yet. It's a very powerful paradigm of managing your screen content, but I don't get it. Maybe too much "passive smoking" of the iStuff pollution floating into my direction... ;-) Basically, it will be a "trial & error" for you, because you'll have to actually _use_ the different desktop environments and window managers to form an opinion about if they are good _for you_ or not. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 23:45:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DBA5701; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D602F2CFE; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-183.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sBTNjenH018691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:45:40 -0600 Message-ID: <54A1E91B.7000807@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:51:55 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Is the new_xorg repo .... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD X11 mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:45:43 -0000 .... still active/required for pkg upgrades ? I just did a 'pkg upgrade -y' & it got stuck trying to fetch something from a 'new_xorg' repo .... FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5 BTW .... TIA & have a happy new year. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 23:48:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15A80919 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD1222D6A for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-183.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sBTNmkhI019792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:48:46 -0600 Message-ID: <54A1E9D4.60504@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:55:00 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Stupid question .... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:48:48 -0000 .... I have been doing 'pkg upgrades' from an rxvt shell window for months now. They have been going mostly OK, with a few rectifiable glitches. Is it better/recommended to do so from the 'console' CLI, i.e. no desktop, no XFCE, etc., just plain login shell ? just checking .... TIA & have a happy new year. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 00:45:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DBFBDEE for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net [194.109.24.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0686197E for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home ([83.162.243.5]) by smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net with ESMTP id ZckB1p00207iGuj01ckCJY; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:44:12 +0100 Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3BF2412456; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:44:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:44:11 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: How do I print .... Message-ID: <20141230004411.GA2910@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: "William A. Mahaffey III" , FreeBSD Questions !!!! References: <54A16ACB.3080805@hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54A16ACB.3080805@hiwaay.net> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:45:26 -0000 --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 08:52:59AM -0600, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > .... pdf files which were created as portrait layout in landscape ? I > normally pipe them through pdf2ps to lpr to print them. Pdf2ps is just a > wrapper for ghostscript, I think (according to the man page). FreeBSD > 9.3-RELEASE-p5, whatever lpr is current, I can't seem to determine lpr > version. Any more info needed, just ask & TIA .... There are at least three options to rotate the pages in PDF files that come= to mind; 1) Use Ghostscript's ``-dAutoRotatePages`` flag. See e.g. this stackoverflow answer: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3089773/how-to-change-page-or= ientation-of-pdf-ghostscript-or-postsscript-solution-need Note that this *only* works for the pdfwrite device! So you'd have to rotate pages and *then* feed it to pdf2ps. 2) Use pdftk (needs gcj to build) 3) Use pdfjam (requires TeXLive) Option 1 us probably the easiest since you already have GhostScript install= ed. Option 2 requires a GCC built with the JAVA option enabled. Option 3 is probably only worthwhile if you were going to install TeXLive anyway. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAABAgAGBQJUofVbAAoJEED21dyjijPgfysP+gN6E/WZMX155hKUZ98gCJML 0NGd49E2Q4s7wtGG56Udr4vCcqqhqYKV/xQXG8D9U4rC+AFivCuU869iLQHRmPKA x8kBhNIz5H2gUnrbM3j1Ii3gJzBJ6PIzCmCYdEcgUxdriWRkRj+9YGMdNm4EZ4+m tiV3uaXE+6mGefdoS+hDouTAokUplhAvTvwYFcSivVAIFDEIIYiBjYVlRUzEFP6c 5ft7Jz7zkkgzPpV8+sK3ohn3TFFxqS0Oy9OongAb0qGpH0L05RmVFz+aHgt+hLpi fqmgUfHEhYIggIhZ25HJGV5aM0D4qT0AzJRIR3Fz2EkHTCfptqX1Ew5hMzweUN4m A0Rs1sVzyiCTR9f8X2pbQcW7K40OHEZaIadqxj524zZSXNpMxtDqvzAMUSrsIIil akVFWTe7d1//RTRovK5l5WQcZIIy/v6ihT/hcRE/uj6KqpaKXfG0bPF3Fm/D/rnY fwLRHlAnmi6Z2TfaC8IS4VJeBvuwzGKREryorzdjh+t+ROT5PXzQoJFLNjg1ZGjL aNwk9kKhJ3PHL1koO0SgfLxlLV+Ag+7UBe5fd/42Wo9oQ4SgmUjpKKVezvyPT9W2 7taOQ3CufhPlIoU5dpjacMsOk2PvZHKqyXdwLXSZaEyNJCC39gIZfVdrFBLvevLF AftFQvYhzlr482yHXSHu =1e5v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 00:58:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 851191EB for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net [194.109.24.29]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13E731B46 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home ([83.162.243.5]) by smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net with ESMTP id Zcx21p00307iGuj01cx3sa; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:57:03 +0100 Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 36D26123F2; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:57:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:57:02 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: Stupid question .... Message-ID: <20141230005702.GB2910@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: "William A. Mahaffey III" , FreeBSD Questions !!!! References: <54A1E9D4.60504@hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54A1E9D4.60504@hiwaay.net> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:58:15 -0000 --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 05:55:00PM -0600, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > .... I have been doing 'pkg upgrades' from an rxvt shell window for > months now. They have been going mostly OK, with a few rectifiable > glitches. Is it better/recommended to do so from the 'console' CLI, i.e. > no desktop, no XFCE, etc., just plain login shell ? just checking .... I don't think pkg will care much what kind of terminal it runs on. Or what shell for that matter. > TIA & have a happy new year. Likewise. A healthy and happy 2015 to all! Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAABAgAGBQJUofheAAoJEED21dyjijPgsKMP/RJjbGyW5m7Ar/0l/3181rek ukqHiEuZ2oW+cI5Sk9zvzC/ZGgXugjf8LzJawaOr2z5a7iCHKgtXz2/QskrIpexa 4qChbAlwg8ensbn6JArZabsDSLuUQiy65q86TyuuZjDpIs4xeKCbrwSACCH0NtSd qEeXvUR2fQNV/zlm5FDmT1953xh6gmLLIKLJ0B88qXKVS6hIsfjs9pKlhCDkh8o5 /ZsVUwMnhX+Tav8GqbUGctlH6R50XYeodtxJwkITQhFkN9MYGMfudsXl1Me36Mig bGGlV1HQJvwi8gwF60Oemvlit99WsDCWKx4JmyO4Pm91uAShiQ0+DRWGQ9b4y/BH +2Kxcnn7f2UtKFB20Cb+h4iJH3UrbOYYtloaBU+Fp2tJzHFasv2oxRWSpQWJ0S03 YsDYF7rwjvuWr4ThEhQCG7ZSpkMjrkXYVH+FxJCdKCJ52gdVHIv5+26EFU4HX+qi aAoNE0yjrIsvBnylVA0+uY80g6R4ell7pMGDZJFUDg6Vb+pvF0+4KZ1K17UyKJ5M WK3z8mVZI3hoV9wITbBvNVP0HEYGa1ylubaU8OAjvtL1EKqzJDS7V8Po9pq6vWpL iLtx1WoLzaMJhvVhR+tR81kiGhovSF26M69bIeVnalGK13Qpxv308E7DsL8RjJDm FRiCMdf3/AvxtQHMTVxJ =3nZH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 00:59:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AEC129D; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x231.google.com (mail-ie0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 506BA1B8D; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id rd18so12878515iec.22; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:59:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=2LxGVH9N9WgcnYyP3G1EwICYzKZmcs8J1gkOjP2HrZs=; b=Jx+Q/ZiUNL6R5pFrG1nwqvdWiAFN74oF86+82i90LNrSmB39kyRsx9778TA05UPybV 2p+prpz3VZc5o9O4GPeUIDnnRwvvgnCFINSqWhNDLkqomcno9fPQhuOrRvVX/wDU0wZn c5a+FMq88dsebzhCq5AC83uPRgAbWQCOEm3S6UDxDouT3qRjwbKCEhm/2qWXvdv27E2w 03eP/roNt4dH6qze3tBttt74NOOFIkqZlLOshsghqnd2FtwvwlEZmKbTAuyT67RVvLaI L52WO+Um8xZ/R3t0MAbnDdzksoXq7IlBG3lo0HV9EtkqpV1xUm264ZfdwmkA+9Hsg8Qx 6i8w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.168.18 with SMTP id r18mr52450508ioe.76.1419901191643; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:59:51 -0800 (PST) Sender: kob6558@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.52.19 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:59:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54A1E91B.7000807@hiwaay.net> References: <54A1E91B.7000807@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:59:51 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AAkIV8WWL_b10AGXzQdZ_bTNCsM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is the new_xorg repo .... From: Kevin Oberman To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD X11 mailing list , FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:59:55 -0000 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:51 PM, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > .... still active/required for pkg upgrades ? I just did a 'pkg upgrade > -y' & it got stuck trying to fetch something from a 'new_xorg' repo .... > FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5 BTW .... TIA & have a happy new year. > NEW_XORG is now just XORG and in the standard repo. Time to delete the NEW_XORG from your list of repositories. (I hit this issue a week or so ago.) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 01:05:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F37CA446; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC4751CC8; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-70.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sBU15J7i015653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:05:19 -0600 Message-ID: <54A1FBC5.4070006@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:11:33 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Is the new_xorg repo .... References: <54A1E91B.7000807@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD X11 mailing list , FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:05:22 -0000 On 12/29/14 18:59, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:51 PM, William A. Mahaffey III > > wrote: > > > > .... still active/required for pkg upgrades ? I just did a 'pkg > upgrade -y' & it got stuck trying to fetch something from a > 'new_xorg' repo .... FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5 BTW .... TIA & have a > happy new year. > > > NEW_XORG is now just XORG and in the standard repo. Time to delete the > NEW_XORG from your list of repositories. (I hit this issue a week or > so ago.) > -- > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com Roger that, thx. I disabled it & the upgrade finished uneventfully. *Booooyah* :-) !!!! -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 01:05:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46C83502 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 065D01CE0 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-39-170.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.39.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C765327621; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 02:05:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sBU15nJg002852; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 02:05:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 02:05:49 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Roland Smith Subject: Re: Stupid question .... Message-Id: <20141230020549.cc26aa46.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141230005702.GB2910@slackbox.erewhon.home> References: <54A1E9D4.60504@hiwaay.net> <20141230005702.GB2910@slackbox.erewhon.home> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "William A. Mahaffey III" , FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:05:54 -0000 On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:57:02 +0100, Roland Smith wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 05:55:00PM -0600, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > > > > .... I have been doing 'pkg upgrades' from an rxvt shell window for > > months now. They have been going mostly OK, with a few rectifiable > > glitches. Is it better/recommended to do so from the 'console' CLI, i.e. > > no desktop, no XFCE, etc., just plain login shell ? just checking .... > > I don't think pkg will care much what kind of terminal it runs on. Or what > shell for that matter. I think the primary concern here is the observation that during a "pkg upgrade", the binaries (and other files) corresponding to the programs currently running will be overwritten. This _might_ caus problems when the in-memory image of a program doesn't "match" its on-disk counterpart (for example, for loading additional stuff), but in fact, I've never experienced this - I tend to use pkg from within a normal X terminal (xterm). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 01:43:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1DEAC80 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C4632439 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-70.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sBU1h8aL032702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:43:09 -0600 Message-ID: <54A204A3.9060605@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:49:23 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: Stupid question .... References: <54A1E9D4.60504@hiwaay.net> <20141230005702.GB2910@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20141230020549.cc26aa46.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141230020549.cc26aa46.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:43:10 -0000 On 12/29/14 19:05, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:57:02 +0100, Roland Smith wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 05:55:00PM -0600, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>> >>> .... I have been doing 'pkg upgrades' from an rxvt shell window for >>> months now. They have been going mostly OK, with a few rectifiable >>> glitches. Is it better/recommended to do so from the 'console' CLI, i.e. >>> no desktop, no XFCE, etc., just plain login shell ? just checking .... >> I don't think pkg will care much what kind of terminal it runs on. Or what >> shell for that matter. > I think the primary concern here is the observation that > during a "pkg upgrade", the binaries (and other files) > corresponding to the programs currently running will be > overwritten. This _might_ caus problems when the in-memory > image of a program doesn't "match" its on-disk counterpart > (for example, for loading additional stuff), but in fact, > I've never experienced this - I tend to use pkg from within > a normal X terminal (xterm). > > That (mem/lib mismatch) was indeed the concern. I did indeed finish this upgrade under an rxvt shell & all went well. I like the ability to scroll a *long* way back if necessary, hence my preference to run pkg from the rxvt shell. All seems well for now, including my longstanding issues w/ flash/linux-f10 .... *Hooooray* & thanks to all who labored to get that resolved, I'm sure it was drudgery at times. Thanks & congratulations, job well done :-) .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 03:09:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB2CB30A for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 03:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4545D64440 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 03:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp14-2-13-162.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([14.2.13.162]) by ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 30 Dec 2014 13:34:16 +1030 Message-ID: <54A2162E.8020709@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:34:14 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Benfell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what's the story with openssl? References: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> In-Reply-To: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 03:09:27 -0000 On 29/12/2014 05:13, David Benfell wrote: > Hi all, > > This seems like it should be an unbelievably stupid question. But I > guess FreeBSD's idea of sane defaults for openssl do not accord with > my idea of sane defaults for openssl. > > I have tried the security/ca_root_nss port now both with and without > the option to create the link in /etc. It doesn't help. > > Why am I having to specify --ca-certificate > /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt to make wget work? What do I > have to do to make this not necessary--and *stay* not necessary? > > Thanks! > ~/.wgetrc is wget's startup file and can hold any config you want to always be used by wget. I expect the entry to be ca-certificate = /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt or maybe ca-directory = /usr/local/share/certs/ -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 03:25:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0546E6BE for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 03:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [50.250.218.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E097D6469B for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 03:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 12FFA6D86CB2; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:25:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:25:01 -0800 From: David Benfell To: Shane Ambler Subject: Re: what's the story with openssl? Message-ID: <20141230032501.GA80771@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141228184319.GA84504@home.parts-unknown.org> <54A2162E.8020709@ShaneWare.Biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54A2162E.8020709@ShaneWare.Biz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 03:25:09 -0000 --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 01:34:14PM +1030, Shane Ambler wrote: >=20 > ~/.wgetrc is wget's startup file and can hold any config you want to > always be used by wget. >=20 > I expect the entry to be > ca-certificate =3D /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt > or maybe > ca-directory =3D /usr/local/share/certs/ >=20 This indeed fixes wget. But my problems with rss2email and other plain text clients remain. I think I need openssl to use these settings by default. 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I use xfce. The only thing that does not work on FreeBSD, as far as I know, is automounting. There are other ways to do that. I just manually mount stuff. Otherwise, xfce has the standard desktop features without being resource-hungry or having a huge list of dependencies. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 04:46:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81D5352E; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 04:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x22b.google.com (mail-wg0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 166EB6628E; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 04:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id k14so2308053wgh.16; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:46:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zS/+M6/Vy+WDWFWvSaN2qphCUxlk+WkxvM9dIjV41tk=; b=zUmp3edj3MQYwUzgDDFtTe9VhVKCftpQeKyCrECZVwXIPrqIGkpdvMHw9T9fA1vE6O IDsUl6CofQRTvBKRXrtHoRlmQErkiyFE8BS18cmrewfdou6TDdHAdzmQBNnA2wq4/Qps CNwj2H632ojjw/IcNnwmJsGdNXfrZ5SZV92noURDbKOP16ZkeAJVGgoDqf7U7mutzky1 gsGtv1WvytPDQTBf0OYgOjm1ECOehh+2n/51A/ikmEsZ2OD+NGDBU2b8fDUAykLD7MbX C4vyFDmzhh9CZX6EMOQ/X5Q8I/dgfwEIydHfYtDXMcLGckBXtd//uvxAX0pVjlzdPTVi P/pA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.107.136 with SMTP id hc8mr103229237wib.32.1419914801567; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:46:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.106.136 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:46:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54a1ec2a.853c460a.1d8a.2b34SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <54a1ec2a.853c460a.1d8a.2b34SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:46:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD BSD License 3 -> 2 Clause History From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: imp@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org, Theo de Raadt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 04:46:43 -0000 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Reason you can't find any history about it in FreeBSD is > because the 2 term initiative did not occur at FreeBSD. > > Nor does the 2-term licence have anything to do with FreeBSD, > as a careful review of their tree will show. It is a complete > muddle. > ... > FreeBSD simply started picking up pieces of it because of code which > arrived from other places, and perhaps after that it became more of a > trend. The change in question, from 3 to 2 clause, is here in Dec 1999: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/COPYRIGHT?r1=50978&r2=124033 Next step is to ask imp/phk, and search the FreeBSD lists around that time for context as to why. > The 2-term conversion already started in NetBSD land, I do not recall > which developer it was that started not asserting it on his own. But > it became even more of a pressure during the licence audit in OpenBSD. > Eventually durig that audit it became easier to convince a few > stragglers to consider use of the well understood original ISC > (without the "and/or" balony), and then that became the major trend > here in OpenBSD. By suggesting that, it stops confusing chatter, and > all projects can incorporate our code for any purpose. That's the > goal. Yes, OpenBSD is more rigorous regarding conformance of, and conforming, their tree to a single, license. And that is of value. > Please do not confuse the change from 4-term to 3-term It is presumed everyone is aware of the UCB/Hoskins advertising clause formal removal of Jul 1999. http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:BSD_4Clause 4-clause / original http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:BSD_3Clause 3-clause / modified / revised / new > 3-term to 2-term As is the subject herein. http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:FreeBSD 2-clause / freebsd / simplified > the 2-term to ISC. http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:ISC isc This is really more of a comparative regarding the 'and/or' bit. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/bsd.html http://opensource.org/licenses/ http://gitweb.dragonflybsd.org/dragonfly.git/blob/HEAD:/COPYRIGHT http://netbsd.org/about/redistribution.html http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html openbsd > Very easy for people to muddle up history. Having this thread out there 15ys later as a refresh would be good then. (The original thread of the same subject was posted a couple weeks ago to freebsd-questions.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 07:47:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0654BB60 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-x242.google.com (mail-ob0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::242]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE79264CB3 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f194.google.com with SMTP id gq1so13768089obb.1 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:47:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GW3o1qGYxUvWDE97RVpx7/iS9XpUaYATYcJZyUrlisU=; b=DMDoHr5DGLTMxECHwAMj4BqA/QpmxEHr4MWK7i14676JvqRvRFWTSqW2mOAtniQaQM s4H4+vmlO8SNO4uFZAeyB6eVfrrjSzyzOx83E7ALzHgjyb227cAgeNX+g0XXT7Stqdm1 83rdprSqWFVtjh6+XL7GeEnHuQgVxuIYIptLy7+KaFE9b9hQJihuT89ufkTNszu+8kQn 5TD2oRtS3IQ0fRybLrpil5Mb+cPUVZXr3Fcbs/2jwSskd064mSOj7SLUNgFsFjqRHlqB LDvxGfbAACB1TX5+dg/pcTpFUx+aFPtdkyxiimSzMBC/Ecu2CjQ2s6bfEwqDiHtK6wn2 CG1g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.153.133 with SMTP id vg5mr8080863obb.20.1419925646953; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.210.82 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:47:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:17:26 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: About Hardware Requirements And FreeBSD Installation From: arnab bhowmick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:47:28 -0000 I have bought a lenovo Z50 series laptop yesterday. It has a intel core i5 4210U cpu 4 gb ddr3l ram and a N15V-GM DDR3 2GB graphics. Now i have to install FreeBSD 9.3 on this laptop but i am unable to understand that how to install FreeBSD 9.3 on it. so i am requesting to you guys that can you please help me to install it on this machine? I will be happy if you please tell me the step by step procedure of installation. Thanks in advance From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 08:12:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90FC0EB6 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 502713066 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-39-170.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.39.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47B093D34E; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:12:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sBU8CbFb002513; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:12:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:12:37 +0100 From: Polytropon To: arnab bhowmick Subject: Re: About Hardware Requirements And FreeBSD Installation Message-Id: <20141230091237.5e3e5f5c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:12:47 -0000 On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:17:26 +0530, arnab bhowmick wrote: > I have bought a lenovo Z50 series laptop yesterday. It has a intel core i5 > 4210U cpu 4 gb ddr3l ram and a N15V-GM DDR3 2GB graphics. Now i have to > install FreeBSD 9.3 on this laptop but i am unable to understand that how > to install FreeBSD 9.3 on it. Is there a specific reason why you are using the 9.3 release instead of the current 10.1? Basically, the installation is performed with an installation media, such as a USB stick or a CD or DVD. The required images can be downloaded. Once you boot from the installation media, the installer "bsdinstall" will guide you through the steps of allocating disk space and installing the OS. > so i am requesting to you guys that can you > please help me to install it on this machine? I will be happy if you please > tell me the step by step procedure of installation. You can find a detailed description in the excellent FreeBSD documentation: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ The steps for the installation are covered here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall.html In case, see the FAQ: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/ If you encounter problems, write to the list. Try to explain the steps you've already taken and tell about the results. This way you will receive the most helpful answers. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 08:19:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBCDD2B1 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x22c.google.com (mail-we0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CCDC325B for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id k11so647501wes.17 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:19:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MOtB+RsnReIOwd1TeC1rVVu8EuV+QINYDHb9Is/F2EI=; b=SOD3DSyZoeB7j6U2Q2HVFF4mFGi0yK5dPzxpntFAfbyBzGc+FygN7Z82sJxN2a57sp AcxvzkPpiHRG5Lif/D93qyu+SrOfJE3k4vtx88zBdJ/TKw3gzKe12GWfX8Iqo8W+5mth QY7jFo+L84w92NpZJXjeAIQO4Ddgw7mOd9WBVldjdbygu+yKmUSGIH/cYNs8ddu/YRS1 r5GVGjpBOg7k0D0C8y11fgelVOevMGGCIIgABuK32EpFOvpdr6Bv8fL/s/kJ4Nj9kWZQ mrdal3vNA0c25Do7G3sWTDm0rMkT0Sbieilk+kdpV4VkmOqfUiRc21POUdLVHRyHEdRR aeRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.98.138 with SMTP id ei10mr104535063wib.32.1419927579829; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:19:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.212.129 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:19:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:19:39 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About Hardware Requirements And FreeBSD Installation From: Waitman Gobble To: arnab bhowmick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:19:41 -0000 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:47 PM, arnab bhowmick wrote: > I have bought a lenovo Z50 series laptop yesterday. It has a intel core i5 > 4210U cpu 4 gb ddr3l ram and a N15V-GM DDR3 2GB graphics. Now i have to > install FreeBSD 9.3 on this laptop but i am unable to understand that how > to install FreeBSD 9.3 on it. so i am requesting to you guys that can you > please help me to install it on this machine? I will be happy if you please > tell me the step by step procedure of installation. Thanks in advance > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I recommend installing 10.1. (and consider moving to 11.0-Current) Curious, Is there a reason you want to put 9.3 on it? Read the manual, https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall.html *If* your Lenovo doesn't boot. try this: 1) secure boot is disabled in bios. 2) MBR partitioning scheme is selected at install. 3) you want UFS filesystem. not root on ZFS *not saying you will have issues with your Z50. But my general experience with Lenovo - has been stubborning-ly refusing to boot w/ GPT / ZFS after you get FreeBSD installed you will probably want to install the nvidia driver from ports. /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver/ -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos, California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 09:12:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91C2E8BC; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523851DD9; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.60.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E6E3B9D9; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBU9CLiB057151; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:12:21 GMT (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) To: grarpamp Subject: Re: FreeBSD BSD License 3 -> 2 Clause History In-reply-to: From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <54a1ec2a.853c460a.1d8a.2b34SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <57149.1419930741.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:12:21 +0000 Message-ID: <57150.1419930741@critter.freebsd.dk> Cc: imp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Theo de Raadt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:12:30 -0000 -------- In message , grarpamp writes: >The change in question, from 3 to 2 clause, is here in Dec 1999: >https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/COPYRIGHT?r1=3D50978&r2=3D124033 > >Next step is to ask imp/phk, and search the FreeBSD lists around >that time for context as to why. I think you are reading more into that commit than it contains: It merely asserted "Copyright of Compilation" over FreeBSD. The compilation copyright does not 'infect' the copyrights of all the individual works it is composed of, it only protects, as for instance the US copyright law says: 1) The collection and assembly of pre-existing material, facts, or da= ta; 2) The selection, coordination, or arrangement of those materials; and 3) The creation, by virtue of the particular selection, coordination, or arrangement of an original work of authorship. As I remember this event, it was more about being able to defend the name and trademark FreeBSD than anything else, and it happened as response to the trademark finally getting back to the project after the WC/IX/WR saga. However, I should caution that I was out of core for a couple of years when this finally transpired, so I was not privy to core@'s deliberationso Neither the core monthly or project quarterly reports mention it. -- = Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe = Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence= . From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 12:20:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 060D6B88 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C63DB1BC0 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dutch.freebsd.net ([172.15.184.248]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmxus002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LdI7b-1XO6eB1GxV-00iTzp for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:20:50 +0100 Message-ID: <54A298A0.4060702@gmx.us> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:20:48 -0500 From: Dutch Ingraham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xwindow advise needed References: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20141229235045.b8156cdf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:WyYKczz9knKZCF7qG6dsuvzWmCcvrlNqCHqWPtxn6l77jP4ywV4 CFvLV4jQJpKm63wJyh2arI33O1ul/kk/uWbdHhmcEs7qYeKfnXn5waWlK/exiCKytItEPVG cZd3uCSXNbYkQijym95hkqpTNFbxOToGeP9hGoLMxOX+mUVZQrtjstudpgxaQ1pb/FnRncK 3c1qcMG4yYQzEjewfylVQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:20:52 -0000 On 12/29/14 22:25, Warren Block wrote: > I use xfce. The only thing that does not work on FreeBSD, as far as I > know, is automounting. There are other ways to do that. I just > manually mount stuff. Otherwise, xfce has the standard desktop features > without being resource-hungry or having a huge list of dependencies. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Is there a way to use the new automount facility, autofs(5), with xfce? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 13:00:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44725656 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x22d.google.com (mail-vc0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 002D2642DE for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id kv19so5623924vcb.32 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 05:00:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=yboQW77VqOYsPEKT6ek15GYDNX1mBuLfJ14LnzjOQWk=; b=0zCaPuZrrTGfEA1jv6FuH7FOs+T1oszG2qSILX9gEPtptjZg9lkA0lNiA+FK9WqO0S kLWXSLVxY5lZhqFLIr4Zl6SIhcF3aNhcwxMS0qvjlZs2xbdRbI46sI4hDYQJGBL++znR AMzPUvBZ2ipjG0mg3eHYbDZVX4Ub/UTR4k+xbVVbg+y6Pqcszz9vJhqdKTorK4rA/X/J fMzVXJ2fypTF8pTVhtr6IAaBxH2KWnbXz2ys9qVOKkL8qpK6XySxdr32wx7Kw5lU25t9 hWjvnAJCXRRM9+GF48lprD2EC6XIAhT0s7LZE4XscX74BF9dgR2WEmx8LFQx7lp/+GBj VoLA== X-Received: by 10.52.58.169 with SMTP id s9mr26726525vdq.15.1419944435002; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 05:00:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.139.51 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 05:00:14 -0800 (PST) From: Konstantin Kulikov Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:00:14 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: ALTQ in GENERIC To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:00:36 -0000 Hello. Why isn't ALTQ enabled in GENERIC? Are there any problems with it? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 13:42:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1DEEE45 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x232.google.com (mail-la0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E12B39CD for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id pn19so12813286lab.9 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 05:42:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=v9DcPDJFP+OvaWkR/88K38OA7fUrBBvWhr3a208rX28=; b=zxEumdm+nGS1b1lDl5kTzld0np3GZ7o5E+yF9eZWC12Bjht4f6sv4CaFoQUqZNmuR8 yL1sFt7TZSz+rxn+VgciCu3GfKyds35uGrAwvzklTPbgVX4DZPZaxaBibgjwLtXTBvcI gSbcVKj7NacSs4989in48QUhs70hi59st7fy+jbAso4o8xU8mF1o5uqERZSFZAuCDVvk 7rVn/JthoJVz5zKMTJS/s8Y725FJfbGYdI7suAZhsEIRjIl/+6O1OAp6HRFL4V/O8cG4 X+5RYCbM5acIDrZXb3ppXUtVN3HWZ92+4ajURWTl6cnHv2gwGwX4LzqNg03u0TGqvJFt RFJw== X-Received: by 10.112.169.34 with SMTP id ab2mr61934422lbc.77.1419946949382; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 05:42:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.35.199 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 05:41:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:41:48 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Adding more swap for FreeBSD 10 To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: User Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:42:32 -0000 On 30 December 2014 at 01:17, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > wash@mail:~$ gpart show ada0 >> => 0 976773168 ada0 BSD (466G) >> 0 964689920 1 freebsd-ufs >> (460G) >> 964689920 12083248 - free - >> (5.8G) >> >> >> Oh, just bare bsdlabels... (untested): >> >> gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a4k ada0 >> >> The device for the swap entry in /etc/fstab will be ada0b. >> >> >> >> "untested" is rather scary:) >> >> This server is over 1800km away from me! >> >> And there is nobody there to rescue if I blow it away:) >> > > Back up that machine, restore it into a local VM, and test it there > first. But still be ready for a quick trip. :) Hi Warren, Thank you for that. Worked successfully. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 14:16:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56160716 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x22a.google.com (mail-yk0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14BDA20B6 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 200so249182ykr.29 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 06:16:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YO2eMEZ3R99JMD6ooUJzOsqyXMT6hWBN6Uo5+9CDfOg=; b=LyZa1Z8y60bYk+pv+zAbvB4upnER81KGDyiTPAQlEWF55v1pIp9FIDrKPm83tYCM7P yzLRdCfvT/Sh3+LcuhEWf8UsQlSaQLIAqGEkprgpyIbs8zQvZ/WWpU2sWnXRm8OGRCud ouEbMkcnNBFpIah7dBY9eVCQgTGDp8iZ6s6d+aegQ4AOKWvrxPQPx+tr255JUF6pYew8 rHBnhgcZ2T8DM8Wynxd0RsnWKsrKHRE2E1bJhjKU1/MTB+jPoSJERS6+/uAg/6FpQNMT R8VPunsiX4e6xwQLz0gJgwIyU/rzglhNuznJRos6r6bIGr42nLSg+HLHlIur+7fLmw6I 4Jww== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.119.7 with SMTP id l7mr14980107ykb.51.1419949015100; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 06:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.188.144 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 06:16:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:16:55 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Intel NUC 2820 From: krad To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:16:56 -0000 Hi, Is anyone out there running freebsd on their intel nuc 2820? If so what version of the firmware are you using? I'm currently languishing on version 32, as versions above upto 38 would never detect the freebsd bootloader and therefore wouldnt see an OS installed. Has anyone had any luck with v40+, before i dive in? Im currently booting into legacy mode with the gptzfs bootloader. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 14:56:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB9A3E59 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97A3D1772 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id kq14so19617107pab.12 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 06:56:07 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=j9PpEZOdTjN2ciVYyCdKqrmags/oUXIRbD1Q8KETzyY=; b=l0+6+iRI7+Vnu+rZm9eT7sZp+DpexV43YKz+AxJ3GGXjuGkQk52BiWpCamsXQw2Xnu zA/mGzE1tCOUgLx1uGCslQDGjT442tWs4zKLQiMPRGZAMvU+/7kzHm0y4+t7+vuDhb8A KnWIZKpoduaTXCqyG4q227f9qswpWRpjqwGAYZ7GHqv3f6fGeBG6jYSearPJ6zg4kRiw 9TekCsbvYGUk7AywaiSlihqGIG0RwyKl/8f8zdgXr4OXbKpCtflBON18WkkYPKCg8SuE c2LlA2petnpzq/xvbW+ttN042vu9OohdKwpdviHWRYNuMedcRSsN6Vyhs/+l2P4gF5nB g+pQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnIKCHmYvUuc8sIY8v8Ox+U0V0Kb5M1Vq1zEk7Y9ysqZfP0w0FnurDMk7GKOpwMJd2M/Hse X-Received: by 10.68.211.193 with SMTP id ne1mr100082062pbc.49.1419951367350; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 06:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.64.25.37] ([69.53.236.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bn13sm38776987pdb.4.2014.12.30.06.56.05 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 06:56:06 -0800 (PST) Sender: Warner Losh Subject: Re: FreeBSD BSD License 3 -> 2 Clause History Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B2B21FB8-3E68-4D9E-A72D-25567EAFCE1B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b3 From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <57150.1419930741@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:56:03 -0700 Message-Id: <80E4F9C9-08E0-4243-A471-3DEC4F1F95CF@bsdimp.com> References: <54a1ec2a.853c460a.1d8a.2b34SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <57150.1419930741@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Poul-Henning Kamp X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) Cc: Theo de Raadt , imp@freebsd.org, grarpamp , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:56:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B2B21FB8-3E68-4D9E-A72D-25567EAFCE1B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Dec 30, 2014, at 2:12 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp = wrote: >=20 > -------- > In message = > , grarpamp writes: >=20 >> The change in question, from 3 to 2 clause, is here in Dec 1999: >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/COPYRIGHT?r1=3D50978&r2=3D124033 >>=20 >> Next step is to ask imp/phk, and search the FreeBSD lists around >> that time for context as to why. >=20 > I think you are reading more into that commit than it contains: > It merely asserted "Copyright of Compilation" over FreeBSD. >=20 > The compilation copyright does not 'infect' the copyrights of all > the individual works it is composed of, it only protects, as for > instance the US copyright law says: >=20 > 1) The collection and assembly of pre-existing material, facts, or = data; >=20 > 2) The selection, coordination, or arrangement of those materials; = and >=20 > 3) The creation, by virtue of the particular selection, > coordination, or arrangement of an original work of authorship. >=20 > As I remember this event, it was more about being able to defend > the name and trademark FreeBSD than anything else, and it happened > as response to the trademark finally getting back to the project > after the WC/IX/WR saga. >=20 > However, I should caution that I was out of core for a couple of years > when this finally transpired, so I was not privy to core@'s = deliberationso >=20 > Neither the core monthly or project quarterly reports mention it. I was in core at the time, and it was about that time we started to = cleanup the licenses in general. The two-term COPYRIGHT was changed to reflect the most-favored license in the tree, and the one that we wanted people to start using. Around the same time, there were a number of other = license changes after individual authors were contacted about removing the other clauses. It had less to do with the trademark issues, though that was = also added to the COPYRIGHT file around the same time. It was about this time that GPL=E2=80=99d programs started disappearing = from the tree as well. It has been a long progress, but we=E2=80=99re finally = getting close to kicking out gcc, binutils and maybe gdb, while still maintaining a = full, integrated build either with the new clang or an external toolchain = (though the latter still needs a few more pieces to fall into place). Warner --Apple-Mail=_B2B21FB8-3E68-4D9E-A72D-25567EAFCE1B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUor0DAAoJEGwc0Sh9sBEAJaYP/32BxSyBe6uARlNrjor0VZk+ Fdlljk/SU7k2sauMoRDtuiN6kelG0Doy51tUOMX6IKUEEGEgOjHzbU5bBI/BgkOd qEcXqoKzdrPSwdVo9B01jgY7hv9vVij4ORxaJsVvRjL5ggGrLYH1H/bn8p6wOTPG XEME9H90mHEd3KmwqhhltAF4s8rOnenD70dv9btJzePF93IvpdRUttiW5UhW+0I6 b/BqwRcqjdcdL9vvTcfSGNzBWBCK+FpfhxvAOsh1aSBERxjlMHI2zQdzTjpnpWm4 is5iSm8tdiqNFzvD93C6YcxwLTvelEqfIczBVAcXhFpRK56hD3xgCSVSVAA4TzYr yP8YI83oDlPt4GJ719THB13vhnxCVxoXPyFzVw18FDTgXK2dY/vJfu3ox4RKNQJY FqK1ZjKDkYWnzZxjKoJeQac34Asgx9vvIFiwa4cD4GkHmeoudLaWDWF0cUdlXpyU PyfKEVR5TDv0xegY/Ypv76MpT4RUg5DS+/ncgzdDEFcU6QF0RLgVMVFMZdG/Cctx RgM+NaRMaURr0J4Oxg+aC39LzzSisJjIRvF4SKEwFxVv8/8W/3zACUm48SDCujZs Gf539r5ubofNLyN/ZKX8vMDcCauelW2CI6CJNyf6TiQsq6gUEDvmmQ+/6R/tXdKr jUuRC0i50i7k8uFnTlKj =ebVg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_B2B21FB8-3E68-4D9E-A72D-25567EAFCE1B-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 15:03:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00516FC2 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACD3818F0 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5yKd-0006RJ-Fv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:03:35 +0100 Received: from p4fddd6bc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([79.221.214.188]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:03:35 +0100 Received: from christian.baer by p4fddd6bc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:03:35 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:03:22 +0100 Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p4fddd6bc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:03:45 -0000 Am 28.12.2014 um 20:40 schrieb Warren Block: > UEFI is a whole new game, utterly different from what came before. And > FreeBSD's UEFI support is new. As far as I know, it has no provision > for multibooting in UEFI. Code to do that would be welcome, it's been > difficult just to get the current UEFI support. Yes, I've read about that and the fact that it has been quite hard. This actually did surprise me a bit, considering that UEFI has been around for a while now. > Your boot menu suggests that Windows 7 is installed for standard BIOS > booting. This sentence actually rather suggests that you have not read my post (properly) before answering. Please don't get me wrong! I appreciate any help anyone offers me and I will not complain if noone can help me or if the ideas someone had don't lead to the desired result. In this case, I really went out of my way to make it overly clear, that I was booting me computer in EFI mode and that the boot menu is from the mainboard's firmware and offered before a single access to the SDD has been made. I would get this boot loader (or boot menu) if I removed all drives from my system and pressed F12 while starting the system. Why would you therefore assume I have installed an EFI FreeBSD on an BIOS system? I have never tried that, so I don't know if that would even work. > The easiest way to deal with this is to reinstall FreeBSD for > standard BIOS booting also, with an MBR format. Then you can install > the boot0 multiboot program, but it really doesn't offer anything that > the BIOS boot menu does not already have. To do that, I'd also have to reinstall Windows because currently everything is in EFI mode. And it does offer a little something that I currently do not have: More time. If I miss the right moment, I can't choose the OS, the computer just boots up Windows as this is the default and I cannot set the default to FreeBSD. > Please also consider running FreeBSD as a VM with one of the many > virtualization options. That has many advantages over multiboot setups. I have actually considered this and decided not to do it. Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 15:21:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3F5A4CC for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53F081C1A for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-226.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.226]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sBUFLWSG006780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:21:32 -0600 Message-ID: <54A2C470.6020109@hiwaay.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:27:44 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xwindow advise needed References: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20141229235045.b8156cdf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:21:40 -0000 On 12/29/14 21:25, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Polytropon wrote: >> >> For a long time, Xfce has been considered the "less fatty >> desktop" in comparison to the "big players" Gnome and KDE. >> But with the growing incompatibilities btweeen FreeBSD and >> Linux (the system Xfce is primarily being developed on and >> for), you might experience missing functionality. > > I use xfce. The only thing that does not work on FreeBSD, as far as I > know, is automounting. There are other ways to do that. I just > manually mount stuff. Otherwise, xfce has the standard desktop > features without being resource-hungry or having a huge list of > dependencies. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I 2nd the motion on XFCE, including the automount situation. I never use Thunar or any other desktop file browsers anyway, I do any of that from the shell CLI. YMMV & all that rot. Happy new year. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 15:31:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0632C686 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C52FC1DB1 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-226.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.226]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sBUFVDpX015985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:31:13 -0600 Message-ID: <54A2C6B7.7070904@hiwaay.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:37:27 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xwindow advise needed References: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20141229235045.b8156cdf.freebsd@edvax.de> <54A298A0.4060702@gmx.us> In-Reply-To: <54A298A0.4060702@gmx.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:31:15 -0000 On 12/30/14 06:20, Dutch Ingraham wrote: > On 12/29/14 22:25, Warren Block wrote: >> I use xfce. The only thing that does not work on FreeBSD, as far as I >> know, is automounting. There are other ways to do that. I just >> manually mount stuff. Otherwise, xfce has the standard desktop features >> without being resource-hungry or having a huge list of dependencies. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > Is there a way to use the new automount facility, autofs(5), with xfce? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > You can issue commands that cause an automount from the shell CLI, that's what I do. I don't know how to (or if it's possible to) cause an automount from within the XFCE desktop .... $0.02 only .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 15:50:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D49BB27 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5008D64099 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBUFodf4003382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:50:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sBUFodKf003379; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:50:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:50:39 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Dutch Ingraham Subject: Re: Xwindow advise needed In-Reply-To: <54A298A0.4060702@gmx.us> Message-ID: References: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20141229235045.b8156cdf.freebsd@edvax.de> <54A298A0.4060702@gmx.us> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:50:40 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:50:42 -0000 On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Dutch Ingraham wrote: > On 12/29/14 22:25, Warren Block wrote: >> I use xfce. The only thing that does not work on FreeBSD, as far as I >> know, is automounting. There are other ways to do that. I just >> manually mount stuff. Otherwise, xfce has the standard desktop features >> without being resource-hungry or having a huge list of dependencies. >> > Is there a way to use the new automount facility, autofs(5), with xfce? Untested by me, but yes, it should work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 15:56:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9032C5B for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 968722178 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBUFuBHm004731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:56:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sBUFuBZh004728; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:56:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:56:11 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Christian Baer Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:56:12 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:56:14 -0000 On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Christian Baer wrote: > Am 28.12.2014 um 20:40 schrieb Warren Block: > >> UEFI is a whole new game, utterly different from what came before. And >> FreeBSD's UEFI support is new. As far as I know, it has no provision >> for multibooting in UEFI. Code to do that would be welcome, it's been >> difficult just to get the current UEFI support. > > Yes, I've read about that and the fact that it has been quite hard. This > actually did surprise me a bit, considering that UEFI has been around for a > while now. > >> Your boot menu suggests that Windows 7 is installed for standard BIOS >> booting. > > This sentence actually rather suggests that you have not read my post > (properly) before answering. Your boot menu pointed out that FreeBSD was EFI and did not do that for Windows. Also, Windows 7 UEFI installs are rare. > Why would you therefore assume I have installed an EFI FreeBSD on an BIOS > system? I have never tried that, so I don't know if that would even work. Some UEFI systems can attempt legacy BIOS booting and then UEFI, and it appeared that Windows 7 was booting in BIOS mode while FreeBSD was installed for UEFI. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 16:53:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 710108A6 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E90E2B7B for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id sBUGlbjw088070; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:47:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ah@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <54A2D729.3010701@dreamchaser.org> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:47:37 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kpneal@pobox.com, Polytropon Subject: Re: Stupid question .... References: <54A1E9D4.60504@hiwaay.net> <20141230005702.GB2910@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20141230020549.cc26aa46.freebsd@edvax.de> <20141230055551.GB5839@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: <20141230055551.GB5839@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:47:42 -0700 (MST) Cc: Roland Smith , "William A. Mahaffey III" , FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:53:24 -0000 On 12/29/14 22:55, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 02:05:49AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:57:02 +0100, Roland Smith wrote: >>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 05:55:00PM -0600, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> .... I have been doing 'pkg upgrades' from an rxvt shell window for >>>> months now. They have been going mostly OK, with a few rectifiable >>>> glitches. Is it better/recommended to do so from the 'console' CLI, i.e. >>>> no desktop, no XFCE, etc., just plain login shell ? just checking .... >>> >>> I don't think pkg will care much what kind of terminal it runs on. Or what >>> shell for that matter. >> >> I think the primary concern here is the observation that >> during a "pkg upgrade", the binaries (and other files) >> corresponding to the programs currently running will be >> overwritten. This _might_ caus problems when the in-memory >> image of a program doesn't "match" its on-disk counterpart >> (for example, for loading additional stuff), but in fact, >> I've never experienced this - I tend to use pkg from within >> a normal X terminal (xterm). > > Is this even possible? I thought that binaries being executed were read-only. > With a local filesystem you can delete the binary and install a new one > with no problems, but the existing binary cannot be changed. > > At least, that's how it used to work with statically linked executables. > > Can anyone confirm that shared libraries and dlopen()'d objects are the > same? > > I have run into this problem before, but I was running binaries out of > AFS. AFS is ... special ... in lots of ways. I can't confirm anything one way or the other, but way back when the in-use file got renamed and marked for deletion when no longer in use, but was still used ok because once accessed references are based on its i-node, not its name. However, if a dynamic library has references to *other* dynamic libraries which have not yet been used, and those libraries are updated, then when a use of them is actually triggered by the already in use library they would not match. Someone with more in-depth knowledge may be able to verify or correct that statement... Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 18:37:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19CC1AFD for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail5.networktest.com (mail5.networktest.com [204.109.60.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E879E2CDD for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436EC2FCCC1 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail5.networktest.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail5.networktest.com [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82468-01 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp130.eng.networktest.com (ns.networktest.com [12.20.174.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dnewman@networktest.com) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B6B72FCCB9 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:37:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54A2F0E8.80401@networktest.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:37:28 -0800 From: David Newman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SCSI errors from two hosts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:37:36 -0000 Reviewing FreeBSD 10.1 server security logs this morning, I found two hosts with SCSI errors. Host1 runs ZFS on root. Host2 is a VMware virtual machine using iSCSI shared storage. Both errors are timestamped 3:01 am. Are the timestamps similar because that's when the reporting process collected logs, or did something happen to both hosts within the same minute? Pretty sure it is the former, but just checking. Thanks! dn host1.example.com kernel log messages: +++ /tmp/security.GpROogrm 2014-12-30 03:01:35.728214150 -0800 +(ada2:ata3:0:0:0): WRITE_DMA48. ACB: 35 00 95 5d c9 40 48 00 00 00 ab 00 +(ada2:ata3:0:0:0): CAM status: ATA Status Error +(ada2:ata3:0:0:0): ATA status: 51 (DRDY SERV ERR), error: 10 (IDNF ) +(ada2:ata3:0:0:0): RES: 51 10 95 5d c9 48 48 00 00 7b 00 +(ada2:ata3:0:0:0): Retrying command host2.example.com kernel log messages: +++ /tmp/security.6FMBBSOx 2014-12-30 03:01:07.000000000 -0800 +(da0:mpt0:0:0:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 00 00 8f 8f a2 00 00 20 00 +(da0:mpt0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error +(da0:mpt0:0:0:0): SCSI status: Busy +(da0:mpt0:0:0:0): Retrying command From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 18:45:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A759100 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from host203.r-bonomi.com (host203.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007C42E55 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by host203.r-bonomi.com (8.14.9/8.14.7) id sBUIaxaY079668; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:36:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bonomi) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:36:59 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201412301836.sBUIaxaY079668@host203.r-bonomi.com> To: dnewman@networktest.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI errors from two hosts In-Reply-To: <54A2F0E8.80401@networktest.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:45:35 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 30 12:29:12 2014 > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:37:28 -0800 > From: David Newman > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: SCSI errors from two hosts > > Reviewing FreeBSD 10.1 server security logs this morning, I found two > hosts with SCSI errors. > > Host1 runs ZFS on root. Host2 is a VMware virtual machine using iSCSI > shared storage. > > Both errors are timestamped 3:01 am. > > Are the timestamps similar because that's when the reporting process > collected logs, or did something happen to both hosts within the same > minute? > > Pretty sure it is the former, but just checking. The timestamps are similiar because that is when the log comparison utility ran. To see when things occured You'll have to look at the actual logfiles and inspect the timestamp for the events themselves. > > Thanks! > > dn > > host1.example.com kernel log messages: > +++ /tmp/security.GpROogrm 2014-12-30 03:01:35.728214150 -0800 > +(ada2:ata3:0:0:0): WRITE_DMA48. ACB: 35 00 95 5d c9 40 48 00 00 00 ab 00 > +(ada2:ata3:0:0:0): CAM status: ATA Status Error > +(ada2:ata3:0:0:0): ATA status: 51 (DRDY SERV ERR), error: 10 (IDNF ) > +(ada2:ata3:0:0:0): RES: 51 10 95 5d c9 48 48 00 00 7b 00 > +(ada2:ata3:0:0:0): Retrying command > > host2.example.com kernel log messages: > +++ /tmp/security.6FMBBSOx 2014-12-30 03:01:07.000000000 -0800 > +(da0:mpt0:0:0:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 00 00 8f 8f a2 00 00 20 00 > +(da0:mpt0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > +(da0:mpt0:0:0:0): SCSI status: Busy > +(da0:mpt0:0:0:0): Retrying command > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 00:15:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84D3EC6A for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from skeleton.phys.spbu.ru (skeleton.phys.spbu.ru [195.19.241.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A24247C for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from skeleton.phys.spbu.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by skeleton.phys.spbu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2910CB68EF for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:07:30 +0400 (MSK) Received: from laura.ws.pu.ru (laura [172.27.209.137]) by skeleton.phys.spbu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87B2B68EE for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:07:29 +0400 (MSK) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:07:29 +0300 From: Dima Veselov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Distributing upgrades to remote host Message-ID: <20141231000729.GA4390@laura.ws.pu.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: St.Petersburg State University User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:15:37 -0000 Hello! I spent few hours on the internet and still stuck in simple problem. I have amd64 host on FreeBSD 10-STABLE and wish it will be able to build worlds for sparc64 hosts. Targets are weak and busy, so I don't want them to do much job or have much storage. What is the right way to make proper upgrade for remote hosts? I say proper, because I wish target host behave like build host (mergemaster, make installworld and so on). What I did and this don't work (not sure I understand everything): 1. I have built different objdir MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj-sparc64/ make buildworld TARGET=sparc64 On target I got it syncronized (what is quite weird to do on long distance) to the nearest NFS server. 2. Target won't take NFS path like /net/nfsserver/export/freebsd-src because of different path treat 3. If I mount NFS in /usr/obj (what is strange) - target won't take 'make' command due to amd64 tools in obj 4. I issued make distributeworld DISTDIR=/export/freebsd-sparc64, but don't understand clear way to populate system properly with it. In NetBSD I would simply build distributions sets, unpack everything except etc.tgz and finished with etcupdate -s etc.tgz. This will work except deletion of old binaries, what is not supported for whole platform. I beleive there are simple and fast way to populate remote hosts with fresh cross-compiled binaries, but don't have a guess. Thank you very much in advance. -- Sincerely yours From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 01:19:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AF927BB for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 01:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net [194.109.24.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 905803A1A for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 01:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home ([83.162.243.5]) by smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net with ESMTP id a1K91p00307iGuj011KAPt; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 02:19:10 +0100 Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 20A8112443; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 02:19:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 02:19:09 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Dima Veselov Subject: Re: Distributing upgrades to remote host Message-ID: <20141231011909.GA5324@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Dima Veselov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20141231000729.GA4390@laura.ws.pu.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20141231000729.GA4390@laura.ws.pu.ru> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 01:19:19 -0000 --G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 03:07:29AM +0300, Dima Veselov wrote: > Hello! > > I spent few hours on the internet and still stuck in simple > problem. I have amd64 host on FreeBSD 10-STABLE and wish it > will be able to build worlds for sparc64 hosts. > Targets are weak and busy, so I don't want them to do > much job or have much storage. Which version are you upgrading them from? If it's 8.x you're probably bett= er off doing a fresh install. Anyway, have you looked at this wiki page: https://wiki.freebsd.org/A_Brief_Guide_To_Cross_Compiling_FreeBSD > What is the right way to make proper upgrade for remote hosts? > I say proper, because I wish target host behave like build host > (mergemaster, make installworld and so on). The proper build procedure should be something like; make buildworld TARGET=3Dsparc64 TARGET_ARCH=3Dsparc64 MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX= =3D/path/to/build On AMD64 the default compiler on 10-STABLE is clang. And /usr/src/share/mk/= bsd.own.mk implies that it's gcc on sparc64. So I don't know if a cross-compile will e= ven work. Note that you should clean /etc/src.conf and /etc/make.conf of anything that is specific to AMD64 (like explicitly setting the CPUTYPE)! Alternatively, you could set up a sparc64 virtual machine with QEMU and do = the build there. It would not be very fast, though. But it would be a native build, without cross-compile headaches. > What I did and this don't work (not sure I understand everything): > > 1. I have built different objdir > MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=3D/usr/obj-sparc64/ make buildworld TARGET=3Dsparc64 > On target I got it syncronized (what is quite weird to do on long > distance) to the nearest NFS server. > > 2. Target won't take NFS path like /net/nfsserver/export/freebsd-src > because of different path treat > > 3. If I mount NFS in /usr/obj (what is strange) - target won't take > 'make' command due to amd64 tools in obj > > 4. I issued make distributeworld DISTDIR=3D/export/freebsd-sparc64, > but don't understand clear way to populate system properly with it. What I would do after succesfully running `make buildworld` and `make buildkernel` is to copy the contents of build's source and obj directories = to the target machine's /usr/src and /usr/obj, and then run `make installkernel` (= and after a reboot) `make installworld` there. That is the procedure that I use for my AMD64 machines. I build on one mach= ine and rsync the source and obj direcories to others. That works fine. 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When rebooting, file system checks repaired root partition successfully, but I was unable to mount the desired home partition. My command was fsck_ffs -y /dev/gpt/Sea1-06 I ran it repeatedly (first without -y) and seemed to get partial fix, was able to mount read-only and rsync to another directory on another partition. Latter part of message that came repeatedly, so there was no point in running fsck any more: CYLINDER GROUP 356: BAD MAGIC NUMBER REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes CYLINDER GROUP 357: BAD MAGIC NUMBER REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes CYLINDER GROUP 358: BAD MAGIC NUMBER REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes CYLINDER GROUP 359: BAD MAGIC NUMBER REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts UNREF FILE I=3 OWNER=root MODE=100000 SIZE=67108864 MTIME=Jun 24 04:22 2014 RECONNECT? yes NO lost+found DIRECTORY CREATE? yes CYLINDER GROUP 0: BAD MAGIC NUMBER REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes fsck_ffs: bad inode number 0 to ginode Now what is that last line about bad inode number 0 to ginode, and is there any way around? Do I need to reformat and rsync back? I can also boot my NetBSD installation from last June (current, 6.99.44 amd64) and run NetBSD's fsck_ffs from there. Even if that really messes up, I still have the rsync copy to rsync back from. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 03:24:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63EF1632; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x234.google.com (mail-we0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBAE31515; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id w62so1850747wes.11; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:24:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=kEa9XWue/2Qbee5NpqdxPvwdB3InGDmcn65KMZoNTUY=; b=u4uPmwjcNBHcPycAJYaRJ+J3rH24BOnH0w4kkrauif1ocqIDW5mdK0JL7DAS5VQyIj tttvKyraOqcFAKirZ3fy1d3CfovPfVzbZCLt/vozQDBtj5/r4flYr/tGpxAhLa2CF/eY J51PEwLEwUCGElBrjrgx6YTT2LFmoTBQatTVSJiRZASXfQIY+eJrF2lvfXS898hoASy3 Ss/UhfKq3K+sGLEkbQVYjkU6km7VT7e+LFgmPRluZaS6WVMcI2ieiRwiTpD7wM3/leqJ ic6DDkFjuXJqtcUvuRkqK6Cnxc78iwk7youK8iA54RPKwr/R/w2D7I9g5qT1h837fbPf Ve2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.72.177 with SMTP id e17mr109655812wiv.42.1419996292964; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.106.136 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:24:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <57150.1419930741@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <54a1ec2a.853c460a.1d8a.2b34SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <57150.1419930741@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 22:24:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD BSD License 3 -> 2 Clause History From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , imp@freebsd.org, Theo de Raadt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:24:55 -0000 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I think you are reading more into that commit than it contains: > It merely asserted "Copyright of Compilation" over FreeBSD. Likely. My original post wasn't worded well. I was mostly interested in the rationale of removing the endorsement clause (from a license writers perspective of new work, not any particular application of same), which though 'simpler and more free', would seem a tricky thing to give up, or to model new work on after having seen 3-clause texts. Though, to be sure, the rest of this thread is good to recount as well. For new, unfunded, work by individual committers, where is the link to FreeBSD equivalent of this OpenBSD template? It seems attractive. http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/share/misc/license.template?rev=HEAD > as response to the trademark finally getting back to the project > after the WC/IX/WR saga. Thinking that's Walnut Creek, and maybe Wind River, but I forget IX, unless it's IX Systems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 03:41:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16F54A33 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0DE317FE for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-39-170.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.39.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 331082767C; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:41:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sBV3flRn001995; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:41:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:41:47 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Xwindow advise needed Message-Id: <20141231044147.fe7a9983.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20141229235045.b8156cdf.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:41:58 -0000 On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:25:53 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Polytropon wrote: > > > > For a long time, Xfce has been considered the "less fatty > > desktop" in comparison to the "big players" Gnome and KDE. > > But with the growing incompatibilities btweeen FreeBSD and > > Linux (the system Xfce is primarily being developed on and > > for), you might experience missing functionality. > > I use xfce. The only thing that does not work on FreeBSD, as far as I > know, is automounting. There are other ways to do that. I just > manually mount stuff. Otherwise, xfce has the standard desktop features > without being resource-hungry or having a huge list of dependencies. The problem is not the automounter itself. It's its integration with the GUI elements, in two ways: 1st, when the automounter mounts a device which has been appearing, either by a label or by a device name, this new mountpoint must be "picked up" by the GUI and be shown on the desktop. 2nd, there must be a desktop action to unmount the device, and for those which support it, eject it. This is what "ordinary users" seem to expect. I didn't get that working in Xfce, and also failed with Gnome 2 (even though I followed the advice on the project page exactly). I somehow got the additional port automounter to do what HAL + DBUS were unable to do. To perform the umount, I still had to replace the _binary_ with a script, including a terrible tale of sudo, -f, and camcontrol eject. That was the time when I stopped worrying and love the insanity. :-) I'm quite confident that, given a proper configuration and permissions, this _won't_ be neccessary in Xfce. By the way, how about suggesting Lumina, the upcoming "unified" GUI project for FreeBSD? Does it integrate already with automounter or autofs? Just to add a short note about automounting in general: While this is a useful feature for most _personal_ desktop computer usage, there might be situations where it can cause immense trouble, like people stealing data, or putting (incriminating) data on your system. It's also dangerous when you attach a device that you want to perform forensic analysis or data recovery on - one stupid write, and you're out of luck. That's why I'd like to see a more differentiated approach in _any_ of the desktop environments supporting mounts: a) signal the appearing of a new device to the user, who can then select to mount it or just to leave it as is; or b) automatically mount a new device and show an icon shortcut to the mountpoint. The user should be able to select which policy to apply. For optical media, _blank_ optical media, it gets even more funny, let alone music CDs... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 03:48:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A62FBF7 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECB4B1887 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-39-170.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.39.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F178276B7; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:48:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sBV3mnVK002013; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:48:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:48:49 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Christian Baer Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI Message-Id: <20141231044849.ebf531c1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:48:52 -0000 On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:03:22 +0100, Christian Baer wrote: > Am 28.12.2014 um 20:40 schrieb Warren Block: > > > UEFI is a whole new game, utterly different from what came before. And > > FreeBSD's UEFI support is new. As far as I know, it has no provision > > for multibooting in UEFI. Code to do that would be welcome, it's been > > difficult just to get the current UEFI support. > > Yes, I've read about that and the fact that it has been quite hard. This > actually did surprise me a bit, considering that UEFI has been around > for a while now. AS/400 is around since the 1980's, and still I can't find a Linux or BSD that will run on it. ;-) The problem with UEFI seems to be that, even though there is documentation and attempts of standards, it's still a tricky black box, and manufacturers don't want to tell what goes on in their "micro OS" BIOS replacement. > In this case, I really went out of my way to make it overly clear, that > I was booting me computer in EFI mode and that the boot menu is from the > mainboard's firmware and offered before a single access to the SDD has > been made. I would get this boot loader (or boot menu) if I removed all > drives from my system and pressed F12 while starting the system. Using the traditional FreeBSD boot manager would surely be the more appealing option. Depending on if you can try to use MBR partitioning instead of GPT (and therefore, using the boot0 boot manager with MBR), this might be worth a try. UEFI seemed to support both MBR and GPT. But this is just a W.A.G., I don't have any UEFI hardware here to verify, and I'm not a "multi-booter" anymrore, sorry. > And it does offer a little something that I currently do not have: More > time. If I miss the right moment, I can't choose the OS, the computer > just boots up Windows as this is the default and I cannot set the > default to FreeBSD. This is the typical limitation by UEFI. If you can use FreeBSD's boot manager, a default will be available which will boot the desired FreeBSD if no action is taken at system startup. But as far as I understand, this will require MBR partitioning in combination with UEFI... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 04:02:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D849D4F for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx.ams1.isc.org (mx.ams1.isc.org [199.6.1.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.isc.org", Issuer "RapidSSL CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D46151A68 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bikeshed.isc.org (bikeshed.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:d::19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.isc.org", Issuer "RapidSSL CA" (not verified)) by mx.ams1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 649DF1FCABE for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bikeshed.isc.org (Postfix, from userid 10302) id 27942216C3D; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bikeshed.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220AE216C3B for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmahoney@isc.org) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:02:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Dan Mahoney To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Comtrol Rocketport drivers? Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 0xE919EC51 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mx.ams1.isc.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:02:44 -0000 Hey all, We use rocketports quite a bit around the office. We've largely been replacing them with USB-based devices, but they're still functional and it seems a shame to throw working kit away. I notice support for these rocketport boards stopped in 7.x. Did the kernel just diverge too much, or was there some other reason support was dropped? (i.e. closed-source driver, etc?). If there's a better mailing list to ack on (-hackers?) please let me know. Best, -Dan Mahoney From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 04:16:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53D36175 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F366B3E58 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBV4FtOh085369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:15:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sBV4Ftc6085366; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:15:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:15:55 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Xwindow advise needed In-Reply-To: <20141231044147.fe7a9983.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20141229235045.b8156cdf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20141231044147.fe7a9983.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:15:56 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:16:02 -0000 On Wed, 31 Dec 2014, Polytropon wrote: > The problem is not the automounter itself. It's its > integration with the GUI elements, in two ways: > > 1st, when the automounter mounts a device which has > been appearing, either by a label or by a device name, > this new mountpoint must be "picked up" by the GUI > and be shown on the desktop. > > 2nd, there must be a desktop action to unmount the > device, and for those which support it, eject it. At one point, I wrote my own automounter. xfce or Thunar can add menu entries, and I added one for unmount. > This is what "ordinary users" seem to expect. > > I didn't get that working in Xfce, and also failed > with Gnome 2 (even though I followed the advice on > the project page exactly). I somehow got the additional > port automounter to do what HAL + DBUS were unable > to do. To perform the umount, I still had to replace > the _binary_ with a script, including a terrible tale > of sudo, -f, and camcontrol eject. That was the time > when I stopped worrying and love the insanity. :-) > > I'm quite confident that, given a proper configuration > and permissions, this _won't_ be neccessary in Xfce. > > By the way, how about suggesting Lumina, the upcoming > "unified" GUI project for FreeBSD? Does it integrate > already with automounter or autofs? No idea, have not even looked at it. > Just to add a short note about automounting in general: > While this is a useful feature for most _personal_ desktop > computer usage, there might be situations where it can > cause immense trouble, like people stealing data, or > putting (incriminating) data on your system. It's also > dangerous when you attach a device that you want to > perform forensic analysis or data recovery on - one > stupid write, and you're out of luck. That's why I'd > like to see a more differentiated approach in _any_ of > the desktop environments supporting mounts: > > a) signal the appearing of a new device to the user, > who can then select to mount it or just to leave > it as is; or > > b) automatically mount a new device and show an icon > shortcut to the mountpoint. The first could work for all users, really. > The user should be able to select which policy to apply. > For optical media, _blank_ optical media, it gets even > more funny, let alone music CDs... :-) file(1) can be used to detect many kinds of filesystems and binaries. It could be used to at least suggest mounting or playing options. How important this is really depends on the user. Some would say that a GUI for wireless/wired network configuration would be more useful. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 04:18:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EAC7323; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C59F3EB0; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBV4IPE5085906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:18:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sBV4IPMR085903; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:18:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:18:25 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: grarpamp Subject: Re: FreeBSD BSD License 3 -> 2 Clause History In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <54a1ec2a.853c460a.1d8a.2b34SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <57150.1419930741@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:18:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , imp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Theo de Raadt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:18:38 -0000 On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, grarpamp wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> I think you are reading more into that commit than it contains: >> It merely asserted "Copyright of Compilation" over FreeBSD. > > Likely. My original post wasn't worded well. I was mostly interested > in the rationale of removing the endorsement clause (from a license > writers perspective of new work, not any particular application of same), > which though 'simpler and more free', would seem a tricky thing to give > up, or to model new work on after having seen 3-clause texts. > > Though, to be sure, the rest of this thread is good to recount as well. > > For new, unfunded, work by individual committers, where is the link > to FreeBSD equivalent of this OpenBSD template? It seems attractive. > http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/share/misc/license.template?rev=HEAD The Committer's Guide has a suggested license: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/committers-guide/article.html#pref-license From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 04:51:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E8C89D5 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x229.google.com (mail-lb0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADD1A243D for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id p9so12986631lbv.14 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 20:51:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=G7lVEVXmaMZB5Mvy2YK8sRPgQrFFaYHxY0peT+AXixQ=; b=kb01VMdJbHo5ESj7WsUHGY6M84/qM0YjeG9jbm5Y+DRSZEq5dgDmAuEZMWXXr4JRSq QNHQVBVtCjhfPlha+9MjsYnu1gv4xgm6uWtTRIa1Y2Zno1K1MZ0ccX4xYdQyTEwyBxQ7 wOokN10HfuW2GtLIDjplpgRo05SfJuSI+0/vTOgBAf7zoJyRMgNcE4jHLgMudMZJs1mh Bhy9myXU+0QSYgN2rbRpENmi+LcTgAlGig5z2h4vy82vcVZHAC/pYfx+Abfxn74E6RwF 7nLAqEnaPhKLG9eV9q3F6wbDx/SYeNU5UoAvkdJeqDRZ0Fu+8+lerr25tt0c5LTKjWpO NVAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.12.134 with SMTP id y6mr23457901lbb.34.1420001489744; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 20:51:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.216.163 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 20:51:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 20:51:29 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: Reboot PC from within FixIt From: javocado To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:51:33 -0000 I'm running a FixIt shell off the FreeBSD 8.4amd disk 1 CD, launched from sysinstall. I have then setup remote access via ssh. I'd like to know if there's a way for me to reboot the PC from within the FixIt shell (over ssh). All exiting from the FixIt shell sends me back to sysinstall. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 05:07:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D353CE70 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 05:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62ABD2658 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 05:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-39-170.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.39.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BB8A276BC; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:07:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sBV57qsL002415; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:07:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:07:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Xwindow advise needed Message-Id: <20141231060752.26b5a326.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20141229235045.b8156cdf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20141231044147.fe7a9983.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 05:07:55 -0000 On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:15:55 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 31 Dec 2014, Polytropon wrote: > > > The problem is not the automounter itself. It's its > > integration with the GUI elements, in two ways: > > > > 1st, when the automounter mounts a device which has > > been appearing, either by a label or by a device name, > > this new mountpoint must be "picked up" by the GUI > > and be shown on the desktop. > > > > 2nd, there must be a desktop action to unmount the > > device, and for those which support it, eject it. > > At one point, I wrote my own automounter. xfce or Thunar can add menu > entries, and I added one for unmount. The Gnome 2 system I had installed also had functions for unmounting, but it simply didn't work (even though permissions were set up as per the instructions, the permission was denied). So the system mounted media, but never unmounted it through the GUI. > > Just to add a short note about automounting in general: > > While this is a useful feature for most _personal_ desktop > > computer usage, there might be situations where it can > > cause immense trouble, like people stealing data, or > > putting (incriminating) data on your system. It's also > > dangerous when you attach a device that you want to > > perform forensic analysis or data recovery on - one > > stupid write, and you're out of luck. That's why I'd > > like to see a more differentiated approach in _any_ of > > the desktop environments supporting mounts: > > > > a) signal the appearing of a new device to the user, > > who can then select to mount it or just to leave > > it as is; or > > > > b) automatically mount a new device and show an icon > > shortcut to the mountpoint. > > The first could work for all users, really. I'd say so, too, but some users expect "more". :-) The basic concept within GUIs is that a process will monitor a directory for new entries, such as /media, and when a new entry is being created as a mountpoint, for example /media/THE_LABEL_OF_THE_DVD or /media/da0, an icon shortcut will be displayed, together with a context menu entry to unmount. For Gtk-based environments, I think FAM (libfam, gio-fam-backend) is the "file alternation monitor" that's being used. Do you remember how XFCE (capital letters -> version 3) did this? They had a xfmount wrapper which would simply perform "mount " according to /etc/fstab and then open a file browser with ; when the file browser was closed, the xfumount wrapper would be called, executing "umount ". This of course required you to make sure the mount points existed and you had to add the menu entries manually. For a "static system", it was a good solution, but for today's systems with the many possibilities of what to attach especially to USB, this doesn't work anymore. I also remember that automounting _did_ work in Gnome 1 and many versions of KDE, even before HAL and DBUS did even exist... > > The user should be able to select which policy to apply. > > For optical media, _blank_ optical media, it gets even > > more funny, let alone music CDs... :-) > > file(1) can be used to detect many kinds of filesystems and binaries. > It could be used to at least suggest mounting or playing options. I think this magic is somehow included in Gnome. If I remember correctly, a right click with "open media player" or "play with How important this is really depends on the user. Some would say that a > GUI for wireless/wired network configuration would be more useful. For those who use their computer connected to the same wired interface every day, the importance may vary, but I agree that a nice replacement for wpagui (I think that was its name, didn't investigate further, didn't work as expected) would be a good addition. As I said, Lumina folks seem to try to get all the parts neccessary for a good desktop environment togehter, native and working on FreeBSD. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:02:19 -0000 --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 04:41:47AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:25:53 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > For a long time, Xfce has been considered the "less fatty > > > desktop" in comparison to the "big players" Gnome and KDE. > > > But with the growing incompatibilities btweeen FreeBSD and > > > Linux (the system Xfce is primarily being developed on and > > > for), you might experience missing functionality. > >=20 > > I use xfce. The only thing that does not work on FreeBSD, as far as I= =20 > > know, is automounting. There are other ways to do that. I just=20 > > manually mount stuff. Otherwise, xfce has the standard desktop feature= s=20 > > without being resource-hungry or having a huge list of dependencies. >=20 > The problem is not the automounter itself. It's its > integration with the GUI elements, in two ways: >=20 > 1st, when the automounter mounts a device which has > been appearing, either by a label or by a device name, > this new mountpoint must be "picked up" by the GUI > and be shown on the desktop. It was my impression that the new automount/autofs in 10.1 does *not* do th= at. AFAICT it tries to mount a filesystem when a directory is accessed. Which is nice for say NFS or SMBFS, but doesn't cater to the common use of using a memstick. So I've been using a slightly modified(*) version of sysutils/automount, wh= ich reacts to devd events. This generally works fine for memsticks and USB-HDs. Unmounting has to be done by hand, of course. (*) my modifications were to add support for libnotify and/or wall(1). 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The only thing that does not work on FreeBSD, as far as I > > > know, is automounting. There are other ways to do that. I just > > > manually mount stuff. Otherwise, xfce has the standard desktop features > > > without being resource-hungry or having a huge list of dependencies. > > > > The problem is not the automounter itself. It's its > > integration with the GUI elements, in two ways: > > > > 1st, when the automounter mounts a device which has > > been appearing, either by a label or by a device name, > > this new mountpoint must be "picked up" by the GUI > > and be shown on the desktop. > > It was my impression that the new automount/autofs in 10.1 does *not* do that. > AFAICT it tries to mount a filesystem when a directory is accessed. > Which is nice for say NFS or SMBFS, but doesn't cater to the common use of > using a memstick. As far as I remember, the system's amd itsel (not the "automounter" port) is intended for exactly that task, and primary targeting the use of NFS. It's not intended primarily for the use with removable media, but _can_ be used for that task. The different approach via devd (in Linux: based on HAL and DBus, now deprecated, replaced by udisk et al., probably on the road to deprecation, replaced by kdbus) is that if a matching device appears, the device is being identified and mounted. A notification is then provided in some way, for example via FAM (file alteration monitor) that watches the mountpoint root directory (for example /media) for a new entry, causing the GUI to display an icon shortcut, with a context menu entry of matching actions (like unmount). As there is no "timeout", unmounting has to be ordered manually, either by point & click, or via command line. Today's automatical mounts have become a great mystery to me, I don't entirely understand which parts are involved in which way, and how they work, or why they work, so I'd be happy about a working solution for the settings where this is an "urgent" requirement... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 10:43:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AE7D8D0 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA03D676F8 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.104.1.100] (helo=unixarea.DDR.dd) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6GkR-0006X8-9F for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:43:27 +0100 Received: from unixarea.DDR.dd (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3) with ESMTP id sBVAhP71002465 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:43:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3/Submit) id sBVAhOGn002464 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:43:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: unixarea.DDR.dd: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:43:24 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: makefs && gpart Message-ID: <20141231104324.GA2450@unixarea.DDR.dd> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r269739 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 93.104.1.100 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:43:36 -0000 Hello, I have a small question re/ makefs && gpart: There is a script src/release/i386/make-memstick.sh to create an image from a full directory tree; the tree is result of make installworld DESTDIR=/tree make installkernel DESTDIR=/tree the script mainly does: ... makefs -B little -o label=FreeBSD_Install ${2} ${1} if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then echo "makefs failed" exit 1 fi rm ${1}/etc/fstab unit=$(mdconfig -a -t vnode -f ${2}) if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then echo "mdconfig failed" exit 1 fi gpart create -s BSD ${unit} gpart bootcode -b ${1}/boot/boot ${unit} gpart add -t freebsd-ufs ${unit} mdconfig -d -u ${unit} As you can see, it does makefs first, and after this it creates the gpart structure in the image (i.e. in its memory file system). Why is this in this order and where exactly starts the file system created by makefs? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez. Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg ziehen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 14:24:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C9962D3 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net [194.109.24.29]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A806A66127 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home ([83.162.243.5]) by smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net with ESMTP id aEQq1p00407iGuj01EQrJU; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:24:51 +0100 Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 238DB12422; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:24:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:24:50 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Xwindow advise needed Message-ID: <20141231142450.GA88804@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20141229235045.b8156cdf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20141231044147.fe7a9983.freebsd@edvax.de> <20141231090208.GA23105@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20141231102627.c66b098b.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20141231102627.c66b098b.freebsd@edvax.de> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:24:55 -0000 --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:26:27AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:02:08 +0100, Roland Smith wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 04:41:47AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:25:53 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote: > > > > On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For a long time, Xfce has been considered the "less fatty > > > > > desktop" in comparison to the "big players" Gnome and KDE. > > > > > But with the growing incompatibilities btweeen FreeBSD and > > > > > Linux (the system Xfce is primarily being developed on and > > > > > for), you might experience missing functionality. > > > >=20 > > > > I use xfce. The only thing that does not work on FreeBSD, as far a= s I=20 > > > > know, is automounting. There are other ways to do that. I just=20 > > > > manually mount stuff. Otherwise, xfce has the standard desktop fea= tures=20 > > > > without being resource-hungry or having a huge list of dependencies. > > >=20 > > > The problem is not the automounter itself. It's its > > > integration with the GUI elements, in two ways: > > >=20 > > > 1st, when the automounter mounts a device which has > > > been appearing, either by a label or by a device name, > > > this new mountpoint must be "picked up" by the GUI > > > and be shown on the desktop. > >=20 > > It was my impression that the new automount/autofs in 10.1 does *not* d= o that. > > AFAICT it tries to mount a filesystem when a directory is accessed. > > Which is nice for say NFS or SMBFS, but doesn't cater to the common use= of > > using a memstick. >=20 > As far as I remember, the system's amd itsel (not the=20 > "automounter" port) is intended for exactly that task, > and primary targeting the use of NFS. It's not intended > primarily for the use with removable media, but _can_ > be used for that task. >=20 > The different approach via devd (in Linux: based on > HAL and DBus, now deprecated, replaced by udisk et al., > probably on the road to deprecation, replaced by kdbus) > is that if a matching device appears, the device is > being identified and mounted. A notification is then > provided in some way, for example via FAM (file alteration > monitor) that watches the mountpoint root directory > (for example /media) for a new entry, causing the GUI > to display an icon shortcut, with a context menu entry > of matching actions (like unmount). As there is no > "timeout", unmounting has to be ordered manually, > either by point & click, or via command line. >=20 > Today's automatical mounts have become a great mystery > to me, I don't entirely understand which parts are involved > in which way, and how they work, or why they work, so > I'd be happy about a working solution for the settings > where this is an "urgent" requirement... :-) The sysutils/automount shell-script (https://github.com/vermaden/automount/blob/master/automount) is activated via devd, latching on to DEVFS CREATE and DESTROY events, see: https://github.com/vermaden/automount/blob/master/automount_devd.conf. The script can handle all natively supported filesystems as well as some th= at are provided by FUSE (such as NTFS, ext4 and exfat). If you read the script, it is not that difficult to follow.Since I prefer a plain window manager to a desktop environment (=E2=80=9CDE=E2=80=9D), I cou= ldn't say what the effort would be to integrate it with a DE. Adding on-screen notifications v= ia libnotify's ``notify-send`` was pretty easy. 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My original post wasn't worded well. I was mostly interested > in the rationale of removing the endorsement clause (from a license > writers perspective of new work, not any particular application of = same), > which though 'simpler and more free', would seem a tricky thing to = give > up, or to model new work on after having seen 3-clause texts. The endorsement clause is really a legal nothing. Other, existing law = requires explicit permission to use one=E2=80=99s name and/or likeness in = endorsement, so having it there didn=E2=80=99t change anything. You are already prohibited from = using the names of people or organizations without their permission. 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All exiting from the FixIt shell sends me > back to sysinstall. > shutdown -r now should do the job. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 19:31:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B5FDDA8 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 19:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B97CA27EF for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 19:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.82) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Y6Oys-0024CZ-L2>; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:30:54 +0100 Received: from f052168248.adsl.alicedsl.de ([78.52.168.248] helo=thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.82) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1Y6Oys-001r7x-6P>; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:30:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:30:11 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: CURRENT: Intel Haswell KMS support? Message-ID: <20141231203011.51831755.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/ajMg4e+crv_XkVnMy3fO9AG"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Originating-IP: 78.52.168.248 X-ZEDAT-Hint: A X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 19:31:04 -0000 --Sig_/ajMg4e+crv_XkVnMy3fO9AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any chance that FreeBSD will see support for Intels HD4XXX graphic= s built in into Intel Haswell CPUs? New hardware, mostly laptops and also XEON E3-v3 C= PUs are excluded when they're supposed to be used with the integrated graphics with= FreeBSD. Since more than a year FreeBSD lacks in support. I think it is illadvised t= o think about outdated hardware when it comes to the use of a certain OS like FreeBSD. I've already switched a bunch of Haswell-based notebooks to a Linux system= due to the lack of iGPU support. 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Here's my /dev/sndstat: Installed devices: pcm0: (play/rec) default pcm1: (rec) pcm2: (play) --- dmesg is attached. --001a11393d322599ca050b884b7e Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=dmesg Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=dmesg Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_i4d40c6z0 Q29weXJpZ2h0IChjKSAxOTkyLTIwMTQgVGhlIEZyZWVCU0QgUHJvamVjdC4KQ29weXJpZ2h0IChj KSAxOTc5LCAxOTgwLCAxOTgzLCAxOTg2LCAxOTg4LCAxOTg5LCAxOTkxLCAxOTkyLCAxOTkzLCAx OTk0CglUaGUgUmVnZW50cyBvZiB0aGUgVW5pdmVyc2l0eSBvZiBDYWxpZm9ybmlhLiBBbGwgcmln aHRzIHJlc2VydmVkLgpGcmVlQlNEIGlzIGEgcmVnaXN0ZXJlZCB0cmFkZW1hcmsgb2YgVGhlIEZy ZWVCU0QgRm91bmRhdGlvbi4KRnJlZUJTRCAxMC4xLVJFTEVBU0UgIzAgcjI3NDQwMTogVHVlIE5v diAxMSAyMTowMjo0OSBVVEMgMjAxNAogICAgcm9vdEByZWxlbmcxLm55aS5mcmVlYnNkLm9yZzov dXNyL29iai91c3Ivc3JjL3N5cy9HRU5FUklDIGFtZDY0CkZyZWVCU0QgY2xhbmcgdmVyc2lvbiAz LjQuMSAodGFncy9SRUxFQVNFXzM0L2RvdDEtZmluYWwgMjA4MDMyKSAyMDE0MDUxMgpWVDogcnVu 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Hartmann" Subject: Re: CURRENT: Intel Haswell KMS support? Message-ID: <20141231200235.GA3957@unixarea.DDR.dd> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , "O. Hartmann" , FreeBSD Questions References: <20141231203011.51831755.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20141231203011.51831755.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r269739 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 93.104.1.100 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:02:43 -0000 El día Wednesday, December 31, 2014 a las 08:30:11PM +0100, O. Hartmann escribió: > I've already switched a bunch of Haswell-based notebooks to a Linux system due to the > lack of iGPU support. It is ridiculous to purchase outdated hardware (IvyBridge and less > or outdated graphics hardware). Is VESA an option for you until Haswell support comes up in FreeBSD? The question is serious, because I'm on the way to install -HEAD in an Acer C720 cromebook with Haswell too. As well I do run (just for tests) Xorg with VESA on my current netbook Acer D250 (which has an old Intel chip) and I do not note any difference. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez. Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg ziehen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 20:03:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D898E598 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm25-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm25-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A8412E8E for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:03:35 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s2048; t=1420056208; bh=y1rodv8H4+VtMhEKITzJWVvaSvnuhQTVrNsudPEXPaY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=aGZCnxeVLT6o+OvUMzHJBuhfquyY7Tg27kFO3dFEwPUSaZbR77pHVu5GeKGykWMwwEyWlHnziA5IDWaAACXvq1LY2XZsXzwDC8d8dOfVME3B5XFu4QXRUZ2rsCGbl7bG6Y9sn7c2dlsAzUZMtZvqxtuawQRP8Nz8Zynlp5WrmQefj1K6NcilbXuL+jnzryjTiEPZgKxgOZngjP6mb6hKH9LPfqsHxGqyVLKmfW1UPiMNN2hWFj0lDdTs9iCuPSd35UDA4VzW/Yh5r5Ldcri0AHFIPxPTBekkQ4l8xWJ8AMfQjS965XlPbJHlcBtt0F0mhyHCy1caAGMpUPuKqPX7hw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.es; b=WP+KYeEpjJXollwyx6A/ZSRRZfb0wCeGjYYGQfs5K6HJkJno9srF66YDPImKzhDksVnvls/obMc01VI6/fRh0km5ZGyeYaivXP3nNG2wZf+p8rPWiEp09Jxi1Ty6p0w4kldlVZNw9dBju5TF6pw2nM0WdOear4HEIYv/iLUlHquKeC5zjZRH/n6IEPSfjDU0MbXGueVkPaEfhsZkHdiUaz/txH0XPaSsmAYE+rDokyYdGFOlprV4cBYv8wMcUcacEcXYlMA8s84+O2h6iCDRenTtLOy6PP+bIOkpRn4be6eLczvJLbgZEjFe0dXVuKhQPOSUOedW68Vs3522Kbm2Sg==; Received: from [212.82.98.61] by nm25.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2014 20:03:28 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.88] by tm14.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2014 20:03:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp125.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2014 20:03:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 473605.83735.bm@smtp125.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: VlHEHJEVM1l0RQLEOn9KWoOTtozLtxduV6DBgSd6Lug1hIh TDxKZBDz2AhUiBNi5uySqvh4e.0E0P20QGckg2.dOT0F..kE4XSu9o5DvOfm ey68KUK4OdB2rMcIOgj5yhHqdUXgDqgeqvFJcvJoXIeiDDhBIm4noZGHvQfh ScVK8HlZOUxKysdxX0ge0APvvZZFptfVcfCEmCrTUcz9E0pV2vxApNifDxPE 6K624tD6qveFQ3qpqC1WbKryMGsxAlYGD9WB.vLFbnR2P6cCImzZrXUX3gVC bVSMohD3d2FX4vGxwvo57mxt4kkRaJMQtzch9Q9Ng8Am27f_ZdiLlk5bOtsl 6QH12nMqjm3mBpcDoPaXpapEUl3Ww6quu1sIxhrBEsp7jz5NDn.kyqTxNT05 9toH8ngXPAt97l5J8A6wNHen6xysNCOcnYANQlt6SMpqMUqOhy5CQxXpTQbn M2l1t_mziZRBYo91gm8nFVZp16IfFpVQURKXMdmEGrT8qMrmJgdhsm3T.cm0 - X-Yahoo-SMTP: mX392iiswBAeJNdO_s.EW62LZDJR Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:03:28 +0100 From: Eduardo Morras To: "Thomas Mueller" Subject: Re: repeated fsck_ffs error Message-Id: <20141231210328.7e75439b8e77ef73bb6b4d92@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: <376098.98467.bm@smtp116.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <376098.98467.bm@smtp116.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:03:36 -0000 On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 01:18:08 +0000 (UTC) "Thomas Mueller" wrote: > I accidentally hit the Reset button when trying to push the DVD drive > tray button, a finger error easy to make on the NZXT Zero2 (now > superseded by newer models) case. > > When rebooting, file system checks repaired root partition > successfully, but I was unable to mount the desired home partition. > > My command was > fsck_ffs -y /dev/gpt/Sea1-06 > > I ran it repeatedly (first without -y) and seemed to get partial fix, > was able to mount read-only and rsync to another directory on another > partition. Did you run booting as single user? --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 20:48:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DCA7573 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9C0E33B9 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.82) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Y6QC4-002E8d-RZ>; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:48:36 +0100 Received: from f052168248.adsl.alicedsl.de ([78.52.168.248] helo=thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.82) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1Y6QC4-001wyZ-Nf>; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:48:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:48:35 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" To: Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: CURRENT: Intel Haswell KMS support? Message-ID: <20141231214835.0f46afc4.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <20141231200235.GA3957@unixarea.DDR.dd> References: <20141231203011.51831755.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20141231200235.GA3957@unixarea.DDR.dd> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/lEUrF8X+oQslPtItLcxYzgG"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Originating-IP: 78.52.168.248 X-ZEDAT-Hint: A Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:48:39 -0000 --Sig_/lEUrF8X+oQslPtItLcxYzgG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:02:35 +0100 Matthias Apitz schrieb: > El d=C3=ADa Wednesday, December 31, 2014 a las 08:30:11PM +0100, O. Hartm= ann escribi=C3=B3: >=20 > > I've already switched a bunch of Haswell-based notebooks to a Linux sy= stem due to the > > lack of iGPU support. It is ridiculous to purchase outdated hardware (I= vyBridge and > > less or outdated graphics hardware). >=20 > Is VESA an option for you until Haswell support comes up in FreeBSD? The > question is serious, because I'm on the way to install -HEAD in an Acer C= 720=20 > cromebook with Haswell too. >=20 > As well I do run (just for tests) Xorg with VESA on my current netbook > Acer D250 (which has an old Intel chip) and I do not note any > difference. >=20 > matthias On a Lenovo ThinkPad E540/L540 with Haswell i5-4200M or i5-4210M with iGPU = 4600 and nVidia 740M Optimus GPU I hadn't success using the VESA driver. The display= has a HD resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixel, which seems to make VESA unusable. I ha= d to use x86-video-scfb - which is a pain in the ass: extremely slow, keystrokes som= etimes pass through from the console to the graphics screen (it looks like this, I have= no better desription for that phenomenon). Under load, X11 is unusable since the CPU = has to render the whole screen alone. A similar situation arose with Lenovo ThinkPad X240 with high resolution sc= reens and Haswell/HD4600 iGPU. I'm not familiar with the VESA driver. I left that path due to its resoluti= on limitations. We deal with modern hardware and I'm not willing to purchase o= utdated hardware for the sake of the OS. On most laptops with Haswell CPUs we migra= ted to Linux - with great success. As a sideeffect things run more smooth right now. Len= ovo offers a new type of WiFi NIC which also isn't supported by FreeBSD. The problem wit= h Lenovo is that their UEFI doesn't allow to simply swap the miniPCIe WiFi NIC for a su= pported device. With most recent and modern products from Lenovo and FreeBSD (even = CURRENT) we ended up dead in the water.=20 In general there is a serious problem with the graphics support in FreeBSD.= Recent hardware from AMD and Intel isn't supported, only nVidia offers support via= their BLOB. FreeBSD dropped also the nouveau driver.=20 oh =20 --Sig_/lEUrF8X+oQslPtItLcxYzgG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJUpGEkAAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8tMsIAL/sNGPS1SwREgW+DrqhJOwF 2JTE2Sv+TP8WN/8wjCWj4hsneRUX6TjBPbT2cmcNy/wfRsRjRgvmMnzE6ZjerwaU KI8Z1yykkKM+1uWRBbDtXUQc5DaNvGZWIV8xQPCOPSAzWQOHpNfhPNb+5nTk7h57 czjaqd3KuAncFChvdwNddGD9tnYE6QJwaMwTeRn0vEU6AzGlM5Ppc471tjVvfuJx ideG62TrU6LvJOTuJrOQbIj2lYN03UirlJBvlm3xkfZz3/ORnx98PzCmtTQlWJV0 VmJsqwrrYtYEELGkmfuUJId3MRxZFaZkLI75yahPVdE3NyCpgyhggU3vdONGORo= =5+6+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/lEUrF8X+oQslPtItLcxYzgG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 1 11:08:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54F79DB1 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 11:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x22e.google.com (mail-wi0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4F5764A42 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 11:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id h11so26488415wiw.1 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 03:07:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+FkxkROc5aVwM1Xf5uEaZOvljZs7IVi0h3exgE+z5io=; b=eZFGelQj+HJmBB+Co4vz/PCCx2WyE0uzq57s7mCX+sWjVoAdDJhZnoSOp7Nxcy8yaJ 80E4SC3H/k56KF2qdIKYHWRy88M5O/6To+N13IVo8E3RbWirRdjCKtzjwDvVhM1Wmhii nS5uJV2X2CGOvkfbmUU172axfkHrlVbEkc/o86jGcTcQ/M+TSR9knRVA53lSuEBtZ6Q5 pzI5S+uSAN4qsx4ujKSvL75+nK92ACYa4cSwdtsyI4KxfJQxhAxB4Iuc4cvZzrkieOHI g54TcsxC7nb/sPUIgqQXTkV5359bWtQbo0aP7X3q37mYaLtz8Ywk0fNqnCvFIn+aq6CY GsvA== X-Received: by 10.194.6.199 with SMTP id d7mr139443857wja.124.1420110477876; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 03:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from manzana.hws.homeip.net ([2001:470:b71d:0:225:ff:fef2:447f]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f7sm50313783wiz.13.2015.01.01.03.07.57 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Jan 2015 03:07:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54A52A8B.1080303@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 12:07:55 +0100 From: andreas scherrer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd-update: restore original state of "files modified locally"? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 11:08:01 -0000 Dear all I always get the following output from freebsd-update: ----- The following files are affected by updates, but no changes have been downloaded because the files have been modified locally: /etc/mail/freebsd.cf /etc/mail/sendmail.cf ----- As I don't think that I have any (relevant) changes in those files, I would like to pass control back to freebsd-update. I assume that I must restore the "original" files to achieve that. So the question is: where do I get the "correct" (i.e. "expected") files from or what other possibility do I have to tell freebsd-update that I want it to handle those files? Or the other way around: why does freebsd-update think that I have local modifications in those files (e.g. what does it compare against)? For reference here's the md5s of the files: # md5 /etc/mail/freebsd.cf MD5 (/etc/mail/freebsd.cf) = 5f0300de03da7892de403ee5e9990e38 # md5 /etc/mail/sendmail.cf MD5 (/etc/mail/sendmail.cf) = f9f356c02d83a578c079064bde0656ae And the box is running 9.1-RELEASE-p21. Prosperous 2015! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 1 11:19:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01247EC4 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 11:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AC7F2CF0 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 11:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t01BJZ8Y054846; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 11:19:35 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <54A52D47.10306@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 11:19:35 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O. Hartmann" , Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: CURRENT: Intel Haswell KMS support? References: <20141231203011.51831755.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20141231200235.GA3957@unixarea.DDR.dd> <20141231214835.0f46afc4.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <20141231214835.0f46afc4.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 11:19:39 -0000 On 31/12/2014 20:48, O. Hartmann wrote: > Am Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:02:35 +0100 > Matthias Apitz schrieb: > >> El día Wednesday, December 31, 2014 a las 08:30:11PM +0100, O. Hartmann escribió: >> >>> I've already switched a bunch of Haswell-based notebooks to a Linux system due to the >>> lack of iGPU support. It is ridiculous to purchase outdated hardware (IvyBridge and >>> less or outdated graphics hardware). >> >> Is VESA an option for you until Haswell support comes up in FreeBSD? The >> question is serious, because I'm on the way to install -HEAD in an Acer C720 >> cromebook with Haswell too. >> >> As well I do run (just for tests) Xorg with VESA on my current netbook >> Acer D250 (which has an old Intel chip) and I do not note any >> difference. >> >> matthias > > On a Lenovo ThinkPad E540/L540 with Haswell i5-4200M or i5-4210M with iGPU 4600 and > nVidia 740M Optimus GPU I hadn't success using the VESA driver. The display has a > HD resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixel, which seems to make VESA unusable. I had to use > x86-video-scfb - which is a pain in the ass: extremely slow, keystrokes sometimes pass > through from the console to the graphics screen (it looks like this, I have no better > desription for that phenomenon). Under load, X11 is unusable since the CPU has to render > the whole screen alone. > > A similar situation arose with Lenovo ThinkPad X240 with high resolution screens and > Haswell/HD4600 iGPU. > > I'm not familiar with the VESA driver. I left that path due to its resolution > limitations. We deal with modern hardware and I'm not willing to purchase outdated > hardware for the sake of the OS. On most laptops with Haswell CPUs we migrated to Linux > - with great success. As a sideeffect things run more smooth right now. Lenovo offers a > new type of WiFi NIC which also isn't supported by FreeBSD. The problem with Lenovo is > that their UEFI doesn't allow to simply swap the miniPCIe WiFi NIC for a supported > device. With most recent and modern products from Lenovo and FreeBSD (even CURRENT) we > ended up dead in the water. > > In general there is a serious problem with the graphics support in FreeBSD. Recent > hardware from AMD and Intel isn't supported, only nVidia offers support via their BLOB. > FreeBSD dropped also the nouveau driver. This is being written on a machine with an Intel i7-4790K CPU (Devil's Canyon, i.e. Haswell) and a Dell U2711 2560x1440 monitor. The X VESA driver works fine for me at native resolution. OK, I'm not a gamer and I don't do anything that needs fast 3D, but it works well enough that my first thought after reading the original post was "Haswell graphics aren't supported???" because I'd completely forgotten I was using the VESA driver. Using a vt console rather than sc I have no problem dropping out of X back into console mode either. -- Those who do not learn from computing history are doomed to GOTO 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 1 11:25:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC11B1DD for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 11:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 660F22E73 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 11:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t01B7RMf054832; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 11:07:27 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <54A52A6F.1090208@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 11:07:27 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Subject: Re: FreeBSD BSD License 3 -> 2 Clause History References: <54a1ec2a.853c460a.1d8a.2b34SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <57150.1419930741@critter.freebsd.dk> <3332F1C3-7B5A-4BEB-B3B0-9CA222693827@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <3332F1C3-7B5A-4BEB-B3B0-9CA222693827@bsdimp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 11:25:01 -0000 On 31/12/2014 16:22, Warner Losh wrote: > >> On Dec 30, 2014, at 8:24 PM, grarpamp wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>> I think you are reading more into that commit than it contains: >>> It merely asserted "Copyright of Compilation" over FreeBSD. >> >> Likely. My original post wasn't worded well. I was mostly interested >> in the rationale of removing the endorsement clause (from a license >> writers perspective of new work, not any particular application of same), >> which though 'simpler and more free', would seem a tricky thing to give >> up, or to model new work on after having seen 3-clause texts. > > The endorsement clause is really a legal nothing. Other, existing law requires > explicit permission to use one’s name and/or likeness in endorsement, so having > it there didn’t change anything. You are already prohibited from using the names > of people or organizations without their permission. "Existing law"? There are a couple of hundred different legal systems on the planet (there are three in the UK alone), many founded on widely divergent philosophies. In some cases it's worth spelling out your intentions in the hope they are honoured even where they have no legal standing. Assuming the laws that apply to you apply to everyone is simply not tenable in today's globalised world. -- Those who do not learn from computing history are doomed to GOTO 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 1 13:03:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E05133B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 13:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm5-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACB1564968 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 13:03:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s2048; t=1420117218; bh=9YNEWyEKH11WQlQahgC39qqnQauzjReJQqOrY6bY84E=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=JkoNKGfsNINPylbv3oJWOVbQ5BsiBlP8uu2jYsxFLoSFxQXe4KOyvAFZbe12tim7iJ2btwou9JRJ3Emfw5LK3qD6GzVqxK6ekz3bPg+uSG5W2uMqpykZvO15jjhvWMwAn9zn7+tLADGA8V/flDvzwZ0gYTIKe/Wu1xWfE2V3Cl6YljxY5DM3CfGHaSkmD2Vv+D20s3nUVomVWqa2vaD7sZv7nVdqBU9wejuqr1UXGkoH/oeec5RUC9APsT9pKX8W48IMUCQa1IiLxeCPrAsWMbWx5mU5ujcGkMS/cwggtTGDdEFlHvuwPg4Gpvc++6qdPcnK8KvpduLue5mf2h75kw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=bellsouth.net; b=S0Qf4sfkYUgRcyvyNOcvuR2406BO+gLWn1IyaC7UMyOu8IsZd219rxRpqlJ+nifXbPNRxooGRAbWlm+VxyJtZE08GK4l5edKmN1DD7s5xKCsTqJFMZmBwJYT5NpOfDrrkLaXNgh6WkZIBhqkdUiUo3h7pbNyGTu1eUndYYiUPGXuiXzMYvlqV0ELhwPlT3kUpdHj9pRXAv/O4X9hYVPOM8JZS9Z4Z4gggedi+1D7orrZqUuWiQnUzUD4OXkbcjnfaErbfA5E+kTA8tIpvUMPXU7dTsVZDrlwJclCQbJs2Qmr/VMfKRpbgQEZE5XyuIgKrb/d/ruEDfReAFV2WSTtPA==; Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2015 13:00:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.99] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2015 13:00:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2015 13:00:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 534544.46331.bm@smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <534544.46331.bm@smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 13:00:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: gyJNsd0VM1nKf8ypBsYu5miK2w7TqqkqCCKx.w5rOOxgVXj zTNEw3hy99mDUSH1kLt0dXbrsYpJag.apKC2XPDubBf80HFSSYLkKijDqH2R 8NCSssyo6sJe0Znf0WNtxIy189aViUcMiD4e2J5SEGGLp5JevRUwnc.hZ4eC o3Vuy3EXIohfEfmaJ9aWLutzzgXboPOQtPrX1GIpCD5XtD0KXvTrwUid5cea tVbVRdkrrZMUws09A0fsmkc6JzY1HXn5ho18HrMeIwDVuU9dzzLZ4ZwHw9Uw 73AomLsX7jp305T.Mj1WYljoda4EWAWlOXYi7k9pAzypkcWi9FhM20mtKGhw GnGtaOlThaLHgv7.06yp6rXW.VetLIQ.FD0kY8sVnGJINxuTXMjjdEg9EHPR 3xWtfkpNqu.2KPr36Tsj__Rc7BL5KAoRtoJvIP0MXZxF_t7O2mPYcJ2.WB4p amqQ.LZddc2Sp30AoLU6TniIXqHdWsotlQuuRH2WeCsFdh8GfaEUppKECbdQ u2w1Lr4NI8Ora1kiO16Zx2_3sFnmNYmZNqLnlYte6gt6O1824YyJRSWmw X-Yahoo-SMTP: Kz_aW1.swBBYof3zAD7.RWzXz9ZAQVDMml1VADsbgPT4Kq79LC0- From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: repeated fsck_ffs error: update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 13:03:47 -0000 I accidentally hit the Reset button when trying to push the DVD drive tray button, a finger error easy to make on the NZXT Zero2 (now superseded by newer models) case. When rebooting, file system checks repaired root partition successfully, but I was unable to mount the desired home partition. My command was fsck_ffs -y /dev/gpt/Sea1-06 I ran it repeatedly (first without -y) and seemed to get partial fix, was able to mount read-only and rsync to another directory on another partition. Latter part of message that came repeatedly, so there was no point in running fsck any more: CYLINDER GROUP 356: BAD MAGIC NUMBER REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes CYLINDER GROUP 357: BAD MAGIC NUMBER REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes CYLINDER GROUP 358: BAD MAGIC NUMBER REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes CYLINDER GROUP 359: BAD MAGIC NUMBER REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts UNREF FILE I=3 OWNER=root MODE=100000 SIZE=67108864 MTIME=Jun 24 04:22 2014 RECONNECT? yes NO lost+found DIRECTORY CREATE? yes CYLINDER GROUP 0: BAD MAGIC NUMBER REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes fsck_ffs: bad inode number 0 to ginode Now what is that last line about bad inode number 0 to ginode, and is there any way around? Do I need to reformat and rsync back? I can also boot my NetBSD installation from last June (current, 6.99.44 amd64) and run NetBSD's fsck_ffs from there. Even if that really messes up, I still have the rsync copy to rsync back from. Update: I booted the NetBSD installation, ran fsck_ffs -y /dev/dk5 got the message that the filesystem was clean, no need to fsck. I subsequently booted back into FreeBSD and successfuly mounted that partition. Maybe the reboot was needed to clean some bad stuff out of memory. In answer to Eduardo Morras's question, I didn't run single-user, but ran fsck_ffs with the partition not mounted. So now the problem appears solved. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 1 13:05:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D8EF3F0 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 13:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3357664993 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 13:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.82) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Y6fRr-000Zdv-Lr>; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 14:05:55 +0100 Received: from g226183103.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.226.183.103] helo=thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.82) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1Y6fRr-003Csj-Hd>; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 14:05:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 14:05:55 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" To: Arthur Chance Subject: Re: CURRENT: Intel Haswell KMS support? Message-ID: <20150101140555.6c2c364d.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <54A52D47.10306@qeng-ho.org> References: <20141231203011.51831755.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20141231200235.GA3957@unixarea.DDR.dd> <20141231214835.0f46afc4.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <54A52D47.10306@qeng-ho.org> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/HGdY2sZmM3D=V8C187yRmKM"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Originating-IP: 92.226.183.103 X-ZEDAT-Hint: A Cc: Matthias Apitz , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 13:05:58 -0000 --Sig_/HGdY2sZmM3D=V8C187yRmKM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 11:19:35 +0000 Arthur Chance wrote: > On 31/12/2014 20:48, O. Hartmann wrote: > > Am Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:02:35 +0100 > > Matthias Apitz schrieb: > > > >> El d=C3=ADa Wednesday, December 31, 2014 a las 08:30:11PM +0100, O. > >> Hartmann escribi=C3=B3: > >> > >>> I've already switched a bunch of Haswell-based notebooks to a > >>> Linux system due to the lack of iGPU support. It is ridiculous to > >>> purchase outdated hardware (IvyBridge and less or outdated > >>> graphics hardware). > >> > >> Is VESA an option for you until Haswell support comes up in > >> FreeBSD? The question is serious, because I'm on the way to > >> install -HEAD in an Acer C720 cromebook with Haswell too. > >> > >> As well I do run (just for tests) Xorg with VESA on my current > >> netbook Acer D250 (which has an old Intel chip) and I do not note > >> any difference. > >> > >> matthias > > > > On a Lenovo ThinkPad E540/L540 with Haswell i5-4200M or i5-4210M > > with iGPU 4600 and nVidia 740M Optimus GPU I hadn't success using > > the VESA driver. The display has a HD resolution of 1920 x 1080 > > pixel, which seems to make VESA unusable. I had to use > > x86-video-scfb - which is a pain in the ass: extremely slow, > > keystrokes sometimes pass through from the console to the graphics > > screen (it looks like this, I have no better desription for that > > phenomenon). Under load, X11 is unusable since the CPU has to > > render the whole screen alone. > > > > A similar situation arose with Lenovo ThinkPad X240 with high > > resolution screens and Haswell/HD4600 iGPU. > > > > I'm not familiar with the VESA driver. I left that path due to its > > resolution limitations. We deal with modern hardware and I'm not > > willing to purchase outdated hardware for the sake of the OS. On > > most laptops with Haswell CPUs we migrated to Linux > > - with great success. As a sideeffect things run more smooth right > > now. Lenovo offers a new type of WiFi NIC which also isn't > > supported by FreeBSD. The problem with Lenovo is that their UEFI > > doesn't allow to simply swap the miniPCIe WiFi NIC for a supported > > device. With most recent and modern products from Lenovo and > > FreeBSD (even CURRENT) we ended up dead in the water. > > > > In general there is a serious problem with the graphics support in > > FreeBSD. Recent hardware from AMD and Intel isn't supported, only > > nVidia offers support via their BLOB. FreeBSD dropped also the > > nouveau driver. >=20 > This is being written on a machine with an Intel i7-4790K CPU > (Devil's Canyon, i.e. Haswell) and a Dell U2711 2560x1440 monitor. > The X VESA driver works fine for me at native resolution. OK, I'm not > a gamer and I don't do anything that needs fast 3D, but it works well > enough that my first thought after reading the original post was > "Haswell graphics aren't supported???" because I'd completely > forgotten I was using the VESA driver. Using a vt console rather than > sc I have no problem dropping out of X back into console mode either. >=20 Lucky you. I checked again on my laptop and I almost forgot about the endless, useless and time wasting sessions I spent trying to get that graphics to work on FreeBSD by trying almost everything in every combinmation I found and was suggested to. The VESA driver loads without complain and then it is dropping dropping due to=20 [...] [ 8681.859] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 14.1 [ 8681.859] (II) VESA(0): initializing int10 [ 8681.860] (EE) VESA(0): V_BIOS address 0x48250 out of range [ 8681.860] (II) UnloadModule: "vesa" [...] --Sig_/HGdY2sZmM3D=V8C187yRmKM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJUpUYzAAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8F+0IALwwL6AoIiaVBiBhtrlQBRDZ r2w5T62DJfhVaI+MxQq3+isOaeGrKmreLISR1HaBmQev22RHmh/zG+O7g9KHUOxt ZPv+WAsWvdlkwVkP4ZVhkynPSZQSmiuY3c8z7yJs1lUEyQzt7Da2G/Qh8HN4A+gR YnhVwj9rcLAxeEr0G17TW9x7+l1BW34D9IXwn/ssBimvXDJ0XJKCF2mIckw4Iiqh 1yQ+Ez0tWVUg7fFBamQnOhzzzKhf7510RtsOOdynKUZlW1E8xjPBCtotLYVdBDG2 76sEf70liPTZWgUWdg8yC+4PKXmdlyrdkw19ngN9XWnEusLuoFy1KlpPNvl0iIo= =a8Lp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/HGdY2sZmM3D=V8C187yRmKM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 1 13:25:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 309C4590 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 13:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E400464BD7 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 13:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-165.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9514727761; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 14:24:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t01DOx54003830; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 14:24:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 14:24:59 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Thomas Mueller" Subject: Re: repeated fsck_ffs error: update Message-Id: <20150101142459.1f734f19.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <534544.46331.bm@smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <534544.46331.bm@smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 13:25:09 -0000 On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 13:00:18 +0000 (UTC), Thomas Mueller wrote: > When rebooting, file system checks repaired root partition > successfully, but I was unable to mount the desired home partition. This indicates a still existing problem. > My command was > fsck_ffs -y /dev/gpt/Sea1-06 > > I ran it repeatedly (first without -y) and seemed to get partial > fix, was able to mount read-only and rsync to another directory > on another partition. Very good. Could you already verify that the copied data is complete? > Latter part of message that came repeatedly, so there was no point > in running fsck any more: > > CYLINDER GROUP 356: BAD MAGIC NUMBER > REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes > > CYLINDER GROUP 357: BAD MAGIC NUMBER > REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes > > CYLINDER GROUP 358: BAD MAGIC NUMBER > REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes > > CYLINDER GROUP 359: BAD MAGIC NUMBER > REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes > > ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames > ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity > ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts > UNREF FILE I=3 OWNER=root MODE=100000 > SIZE=67108864 MTIME=Jun 24 04:22 2014 > RECONNECT? yes > > NO lost+found DIRECTORY > CREATE? yes > > CYLINDER GROUP 0: BAD MAGIC NUMBER > REBUILD CYLINDER GROUP? yes > > fsck_ffs: bad inode number 0 to ginode Low inode numbers often correspond to "top-level" entries. No root entry damaged? > Now what is that last line about bad inode number 0 to ginode, > and is there any way around? Judging from /usr/src/sbin/fsck_ffs/inode.c: if (inumber < ROOTINO || inumber > maxino) errx(EEXIT, "bad inode number %d to ginode", inumber); This error indicates a serious problem at the "top-level", as I did assume. Somehow, fsck accesses the inode 0, which as you can see is a problem. > Do I need to reformat and rsync back? This is probably the safest method, as it will make sure the file system is properly constructed. > I can also boot my NetBSD installation from last June > (current, 6.99.44 amd64) and run NetBSD's fsck_ffs from there. > > Even if that really messes up, I still have the rsync copy > to rsync back from. Very good. > Update: I booted the NetBSD installation, ran > fsck_ffs -y /dev/dk5 > got the message that the filesystem was clean, no need to fsck. You can always force a _full_ (!) check, see "man fsck_ffs" for details. Use # fsck_ffs -yf /dev/dk5 or # fsck_ffs -yf /dev/gpt/Sea1-06 for this task. Perform the check in single-user mode, with the partition not being mounted. Performing such a check is never a bad idea. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 1 16:10:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D31ADF7 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 16:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (brightstar.bomgardner.net [63.229.207.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03DBAB for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 16:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by brightstar.bomgardner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BC563 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 10:01:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Gene" To: "Freebsd Questions" Subject: Can't get KDE up. Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 10:01:54 -0600 Message-Id: <20150101155041.M24986@brightstar.bomgardner.net> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 192.168.0.25 (fbsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:10:03 -0000 Hi - I'm running FBSD 10.0, Xorg 7.7_1, and kde 4.14.2. Contents of ~/.xinitrc: exec /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde on "startx" the usual text scrolls by (too fast to read) as usual, screen blanks, and then video drops out and my screen goes to standby. FBSD is still alive (I can ssh in). Gnome worked fine (at least until I upgraded all the packages in an attempt to fix the problem). KDM will bring up a login screen, but logging in produces a single term window on a blank desktop. Xorg.0.log is rather long so I posted it online. Its at: http://brightstar.ath.cx/xorglog.txt Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 1 16:20:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E28CD928 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 16:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x230.google.com (mail-qa0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97D1A29B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 16:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id k15so9713048qaq.21 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 08:20:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=ed5oPpTzwNhpYdVoy72TO9oIZu888wdLtBxEYwDgJ8I=; b=ubY6nvFZKGEoIqiLo8tsmxP5fpGRbrhV7Oo4xBsConMocdnKsil8KElIPGanBOYIKs NVsS54rT90hjXk5BD9P7cq3UtI/XybuPUAYVOBiege5msbYpX4/NP/qx3cUloDSoaJfx 5jAbAGYIL5S3qbrn9X/Wqs8QpP2P/Ky/CWtzMsQ+BJoOIiD7y/Pgay5n40jz2Z1Mcv70 NnGBLVlZgXva2AWraypz5CaEpmhrPaAgsbHI1wukcWDS/8+xMF/VK/IkKY3radCQO6Rq RZ0B6whTeJV4klFamNdLmQf1mBjd8TWon5ERuf71AQHRE2yA4cqVMxK6EUQJo9YC53cQ jnug== X-Received: by 10.140.22.49 with SMTP id 46mr29913208qgm.29.1420129220820; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 08:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from lumiwa.farms.net (d-ptld-bng2-71-161-123-170.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net. [71.161.123.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p69sm25028831qga.27.2015.01.01.08.20.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Jan 2015 08:20:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ajtim To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: lumiwa@gmail.com Subject: Re: Can't get KDE up. Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 11:20:18 -0500 Message-ID: <14209049.JMsXRIXTIe@lumiwa.farms.net> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.3 (FreeBSD/10.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.14.3; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20150101155041.M24986@brightstar.bomgardner.net> References: <20150101155041.M24986@brightstar.bomgardner.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:20:22 -0000 On Thursday 01 January 2015 10:01:54 Gene wrote: > Hi - > I'm running FBSD 10.0, Xorg 7.7_1, and kde 4.14.2. > Contents of ~/.xinitrc: exec /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde > > on "startx" the usual text scrolls by (too fast to read) as usual, screen > blanks, and then video drops out and my screen goes to standby. FBSD is > still alive (I can ssh in). > > Gnome worked fine (at least until I upgraded all the packages in an attempt > to fix the problem). > > KDM will bring up a login screen, but logging in produces a single term > window on a blank desktop. > > Xorg.0.log is rather long so I posted it online. Its at: > > http://brightstar.ath.cx/xorglog.txt > > Any ideas greatly appreciated. > > Thanks. > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Try: exec /usr/local/bin/startkde -- ajtiM -------- http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 1 18:59:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9FC4E4 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x236.google.com (mail-we0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67F55B27 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id w62so3658991wes.13 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 10:59:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=BPdoA53dPB3CpgJyKf0MIH9c0MNMVMEeey+jdkqdKmU=; b=HYtJWogUYD+kEgDIRQG4Nv1tKut1Nhiz0ijrquHMSi3+8szDrx4Mhs0vBbeGXXWDqf ebJ8q1ZYoWS8eMkfU9THqxqPRnRbLEPtuqWqw6sxzsMo0GqvYr8tzfxZk6TSPlAr1BBu GuHf/tOkdUo3H+Z+xXXhL54ibwrtMqkEQ/OfaT4icYpV9394ruYpZlaL3agoP6r/6VtE EEzJImnUjqd8oBvFyDsaodfX7DrCt4cKRQ65crj8TEO9cwuNsrEJSCCOMaBv1Xu1UJ3Y HNSauMRilvqZ6k4BcJ0qH++5dulG3iJlm5uKbMaJc8AEAnPEMCzy5AI5UPtlnpqUWoxp f2lg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.7.198 with SMTP id l6mr127229702wia.26.1420138761746; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 10:59:21 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.106.195 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 10:59:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 10:59:21 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: x4qlSbO9RmjrPBKeyRZTNMkh7Fg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Comtrol Rocketport drivers? From: Adrian Chadd To: Dan Mahoney Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 18:59:23 -0000 On 30 December 2014 at 20:02, Dan Mahoney wrote: > Hey all, > > We use rocketports quite a bit around the office. We've largely been > replacing them with USB-based devices, but they're still functional and it > seems a shame to throw working kit away. > > I notice support for these rocketport boards stopped in 7.x. Did the > kernel just diverge too much, or was there some other reason support was > dropped? (i.e. closed-source driver, etc?). > > If there's a better mailing list to ack on (-hackers?) please let me know. A lack of hardware and a lack of developer interest. I'm sure you could find someone to pay to update the rocketport driver for stable/10 and head. :-P -adrian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 1 22:25:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 729A2F44 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 22:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hyve.org (hyve.org [IPv6:2001:41d0:a:1794:2a:17:dead:beef]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7E6646FA for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 22:25:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dk.hyve.org (hyve.org [IPv6:2001:41d0:a:1794:2a:17:dead:beef]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hyve.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A478D2EF0 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:25:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:25:34 +0100 From: Daniel Koester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: service -R (restart) and [/usr/local]/etc/rc.conf.d/ Message-ID: <20150101222533.GC40862@dk.hyve.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 22:25:37 -0000 Hello, I posted the message below to freebsd-rc 2 weeks ago, but sadly haven't received any answer yet, I hope it is ok to repost it here, maybe somebody has an idea. The gist: 'service -R' ignores '/etc/rc.conf.d/' Kind Regards, DK Sent to freebsd-rc@ at Tue Dec 16 00:02:56 UTC 2014: ==================================================== Hello FreeBSD-rc Readers, this issue has left me confused now for quite some time and has (for me) persisted since 8.* all the way up to 10.1-RELEASE-p1: The rc system supports the '[/usr/local]/etc/rc.conf.d/' directory to place small files, e.g. for '/etc/rc.conf.d/inetd' containing 'inetd_enable="YES"'. This works perfectly well at startup, i.e, at boot time the system will actually start 'inetd', no problem there. However, when calling 'service -e', '/etc/rc.d/inetd' will NOT be listed (although it will be listed when calling 'service -l'). Furthermore, and this is the root cause of this inquiry, 'service -R' will NOT stop and start 'inetd', as one would expect it to do. The bug tracker shows a few somewhat related bug reports, which are mostly still open (some for years ;-), e.g.: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=173454 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=167822 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=141909 Each script in '[/usr/local]/etc/rc.d/' seems to call 'load_rc_config $name' with '$name' properly set, so when using '/etc/rc.d/$name ' everything works as expected. Now, am I (ab)using the rc system in any wrong way or expecting a wrong kind of behaviour from 'service -R', or might there be a bug. I looked at '/usr/sbin/service' and noticed the following lines: . /etc/rc.subr load_rc_config 'XXX' 'load_rc_config' seems to search for a config file (also a directory) in '/etc/rc.conf.d/XXX'. It seems the 'XXX' argument was simply used to prevent the 'load_rc_config' call to exit with an error: ERROR: USAGE: load_rc_config name Can we (ab)use this behaviour? Sure, we can, renaming 'inetd' to 'XXX' in that directory works as expected, as does creating directory 'XXX' and placing the 'inetd' file in there (in both cases, 'service -R' restarts inetd and 'service -e' lists '/etc/rc.d/inetd'). Putting the line from the 'inetd' file into '/etc/rc.conf.local' also works as expected... Still, it would be nice to separate service configurations in '/etc/rc.conf.d'. I'm really sorry if this has been asked before, I searched for it on the bug tracker and the mailing list search, but could not really find any definitive answer as to the root cause of this behaviour or a suggested fix (in my usage pattern). So at this point either there's a bug somewhere (which I'm very much willing to help fix), or I'm simply using it the wrong way (in which case please feel obliged to correct me). Maybe/hopefully somebody can chime in and help me... Kind regards and keep up the awesome work, DK From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 1 22:47:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E27E9540 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 22:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oslo.ath.cx (oslo.ath.cx [IPv6:2a01:4f8:200:42e4::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "oslo.ath.cx", Issuer "oslo.ath.cx" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B51B649C5 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 22:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oslo.ath.cx (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 5eef65d5; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:47:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:47:04 +0100 From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: Daniel Koester Subject: Re: service -R (restart) and [/usr/local]/etc/rc.conf.d/ Message-ID: <20150101224704.GA56994@oslo.ath.cx> References: <20150101222533.GC40862@dk.hyve.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150101222533.GC40862@dk.hyve.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 22:47:09 -0000 On Thu, Jan 01, 2015 at 11:25:34PM +0100, Daniel Koester wrote: > Hello, > > I posted the message below to freebsd-rc 2 weeks ago, but sadly haven't > received any answer yet, I hope it is ok to repost it here, maybe > somebody has an idea. > > The gist: 'service -R' ignores '/etc/rc.conf.d/' Have you tried to add /etc/rc.conf.d to local_startup in /etc/rc.conf? # grep local_startup /etc/defaults/rc.conf local_startup="/usr/local/etc/rc.d" # startup script dirs. -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 1 23:28:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB2F5174; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx.ams1.isc.org (mx.ams1.isc.org [199.6.1.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.isc.org", Issuer "RapidSSL CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AACC11024; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bikeshed.isc.org (bikeshed.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:d::19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.isc.org", Issuer "RapidSSL CA" (not verified)) by mx.ams1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB9851FCAF1; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bikeshed.isc.org (Postfix, from userid 10302) id 54B13216C31; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bikeshed.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53112216C25; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:28:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmahoney@isc.org) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:28:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Dan Mahoney To: Adrian Chadd Subject: Re: Comtrol Rocketport drivers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 0xE919EC51 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mx.ams1.isc.org Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 23:28:49 -0000 On Thu, 1 Jan 2015, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 30 December 2014 at 20:02, Dan Mahoney wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > We use rocketports quite a bit around the office. We've largely been > > replacing them with USB-based devices, but they're still functional and it > > seems a shame to throw working kit away. > > > > I notice support for these rocketport boards stopped in 7.x. Did the > > kernel just diverge too much, or was there some other reason support was > > dropped? (i.e. closed-source driver, etc?). > > > > If there's a better mailing list to ack on (-hackers?) please let me know. > > A lack of hardware and a lack of developer interest. > > I'm sure you could find someone to pay to update the rocketport driver > for stable/10 and head. :-P If it's a case of "you just need the hardware to make sure the existing code works", let me know and I'll figure out where to send it, or I can get a devbox online for someone. As far as paying someone, I don't know how many hours of work this is, or what API/ABI changes are required between 7.x and 10.x, but I'm open to hearing it (off-list, please). -Dan - From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 2 00:22:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EDF5673 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 00:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hyve.org (hyve.org [IPv6:2001:41d0:a:1794:2a:17:dead:beef]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF2364829 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 00:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dk.hyve.org (hyve.org [IPv6:2001:41d0:a:1794:2a:17:dead:beef]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hyve.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A4FDB3D9 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 01:22:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 01:22:37 +0100 From: Daniel Koester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: service -R (restart) and [/usr/local]/etc/rc.conf.d/ Message-ID: <20150102002237.GA17625@dk.hyve.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150101224704.GA56994@oslo.ath.cx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 00:22:40 -0000 Hey, > Have you tried to add /etc/rc.conf.d to local_startup in /etc/rc.conf? > # grep local_startup /etc/defaults/rc.conf > local_startup="/usr/local/etc/rc.d" # startup script dirs. Yes, doesn't change the behaviour as far as I can tell. As stated before, the problem appears to be 'load_rc_config', which cannot be called with an empty argument... Kind Regards, DK From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 2 03:20:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E02D880 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 03:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79C6814B2 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 03:20:15 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=dODZAiGZBiHGBXN1rx7atfSQ4Gc+z7feG/dh51GEJHU=; b=ApEOtJ4h8IcBst+GBSAPaoBnAkqUDsH2eqi3ARw31VxlCKDk82AyKU2V/yHtHjWFHzqaE696Pa51RCAk2PGjJFk3YeGHVCl7MEarbxRdDx9YbiUZZkEqOuw/0CCwDx8Fswg5wuYofI9mJYlCKizimVmaILEAKHf0K0q5c/iTgYk=; Received: from [114.124.29.53] (port=51359 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6smW-003sEw-3o; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 20:20:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:19:59 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: "Gene" Subject: Re: Can't get KDE up. Message-ID: <20150102111959.4e250392@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20150101155041.M24986@brightstar.bomgardner.net> References: <20150101155041.M24986@brightstar.bomgardner.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Freebsd Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 03:20:15 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 10:01:54 -0600 "Gene" wrote: > I'm running FBSD 10.0, Xorg 7.7_1, and kde 4.14.2. > Contents of ~/.xinitrc: exec /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde > if the other hint did not solve the problem, try to install a small window manager like blackbox to start from there. startkde is now part of /usr/local/bin. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 2 03:51:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8968DDF2 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 03:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.firstyear.id.au (2001-44b8-016a-0004-0000-0000-0000-0001.static.ipv6.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:16a:4::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F15A17E8 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 03:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from franky.ipa.blackhats.net.au (unknown [IPv6:2001:44b8:16a:3::1d6]) by mail.firstyear.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 39B2041C9672 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 14:20:46 +1030 (ACDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 14:21:06 +1030 From: William B To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Programmatic way to determine kernel module options. 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To change an active file system, it must be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. ----- I.e. read-only is enough and it really works (tested at 10.1-i386 a few days ago). -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 2 13:08:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F351266 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 13:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from posti.ihme.org (posti.ihme.org [217.112.252.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9B2A64DF1 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 13:08:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ihme.org; s=ihme; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Date:Message-ID; bh=fxmbSbVIAhVlr/9bvY76UQmi4BXVpqXMQpBv0ScpeqM=; b=eqD+9vfu7RqByZG+L3g0nmPqYUYEJyg/uLZbEOIHTROhKFf0fLFjFiuAeDfQ5VrzSDuT8Rrhgs7tX+2gRHty4qHt3Cgeot3nPha6Npc8D30TsXwU+xEo0vVxcCa28JUWoNvn6EB+yBTqp+dDY7h+52W0kSb0Xvo64g0yhPr8oB4=; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=posti.ihme.org) by posti.ihme.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y71q9-0001oQ-Bm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 15:00:29 +0200 Received: from 85.157.28.165 (SquirrelMail authenticated user midian@ihme.org) by posti.ihme.org with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 15:00:29 +0200 Message-ID: <65d2baabb0f2d21310482c3cfcd0f310.squirrel@posti.ihme.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 15:00:29 +0200 Subject: FreeBSD on Xserver 1,1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Markus_H=E4stbacka=22?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 13:08:01 -0000 Hello, I've got a spare Xserver 1,1 (Late 2006) with intel xeon processors, and I would like to install FreeBSD on it. I've tried to find information online about this, but there's really not much information about this. The problem is that the Xserve has a 32-bit EFI and 64-bit processors, so the 10.1 UEFI installation doesn't seem to work. Anyone succesfully installed FreeBSD on an Xserve? Thanks in advance, Markus From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 2 15:45:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB8DB980 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 15:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU004-OMC4S9.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s9.hotmail.com [65.55.111.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B03B66415 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 15:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU436-SMTP121 ([65.55.111.135]) by BLU004-OMC4S9.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Fri, 2 Jan 2015 07:44:24 -0800 X-TMN: [Tj330jTSfhWI+mYQ1gADN+gKvBWOc+e7] X-Originating-Email: [bourne.identity@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:14:08 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: USB woes on freebsd-10.1-i386 References: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2015 15:44:20.0330 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9537CA0:01D026A2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 15:45:32 -0000 Hi, I installed FreeBSD-10.1-i386 with GNOME on my AMD Athlon computer (3.4 GHz, 1.75 GB RAM) a couple of months ago. While I am generally happy with my OS (to the extent that I hardly ever need to boot into Windows XP SP3), there are a couple of USB-related problems that won't go away on my system and that I can't fix by myself. 1) My Canon PIXMA MG2470 printer does not print. Although a) all necessary ports are installed, b) print/cups-base has been built with libusb, and c) the printer is recognized immediately by the system the moment it is switched on, the list of local printers in CUPS browser-based configuration is empty. Further, the printer - when switched on - shows up at an indeterminate location /dev/usb/2.X.0 (X could be 3 or 5 or 6), despite explicitly being hooked to /dev/usb/2.6.0 in /etc/devfs.rules 2) The APC UPS attached to my system is not able to shut down my system in case of a power failure, although apcupsd.conf is configured to initiate a system shutdown when battery level falls below 5 minutes remaining. Running self-test with acptest succeeds with result PASSED, but battery calibration with apctest fails with the message "Failed to read current battery level" despite battery level being 100% and load being in the region of 20% (percentage figures as reported by APC Powerchute v3.0.2 on Windows XP SP3). Both printer and UPS work seamlessly under Windows XP SP3. I am attaching to this message a zip archive containing : output of 'uname -a' list of ports installed latest log of dmesg copy of /etc/rc.conf Thanks for any help. Regards, Manish Jain +91-98995-82709 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 2 16:09:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E5A0E01 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 16:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2BC5165A for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 16:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-165.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFB4D2548E; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:08:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t02G8x8Y002741; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:08:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:08:59 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Manish Jain Subject: Re: USB woes on freebsd-10.1-i386 Message-Id: <20150102170859.4b83d3ec.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 16:09:10 -0000 On Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:14:08 +0530, Manish Jain wrote: > 1) My Canon PIXMA MG2470 printer does not print. Although a) all > necessary ports are installed, b) print/cups-base has been built with > libusb, and c) the printer is recognized immediately by the system the > moment it is switched on, the list of local printers in CUPS > browser-based configuration is empty. Further, the printer - when > switched on - shows up at an indeterminate location /dev/usb/2.X.0 (X > could be 3 or 5 or 6), despite explicitly being hooked to /dev/usb/2.6.0 > in /etc/devfs.rules Canon printers (or multifunction devices, if that matters) are sometimes really problematic. Have you been able to perform the usual chores of installing a printer with CUPS (web interface)? Maybe the PPD can help, but of course file permissions matter a lot, too. If the device name tends to change, you can have devd execute a command to create a symlink (for example /dev/printer@ -> /dev/usb/2.3.0) depending on match "vendor" "0x????"; and match "product" "0x????"; for your printer. Note that there's a separation of "devfs for device files existing at startup time" vs. "devd for device files being created dynamically". > I am attaching to this message a zip archive containing : > > output of 'uname -a' > list of ports installed > latest log of dmesg > copy of /etc/rc.conf The mailing list does strip ZIP archives. You can add text files, or trim the command output to the relevant segments and post them as message text for easier use. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 2 21:46:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C8BB5E6 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "neonpark.inter-sonic.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 2 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B7DD669B8 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:46:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at BSDLabs AB Message-ID: <54A7118D.5000609@intersonic.se> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 22:45:49 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark Organization: Intersonic AB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: sc with nvidia-driver and 9-STABLE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 21:46:02 -0000 Hi, How can I get something more interestng than a black screen with this combination after starting xorg and then Alt+Fx: FreeBSD 9.3-STABLE #1 r276500 GENERIC amd64 NVidia QFX1700 nvidia-driver-331.67_1 I had the impression that kern.vty=sc in loader.conf should be enough? loader.conf zfs_load="YES" vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zroot" vfs.zfs.zio.use_uma="0" vfs.zfs.arc.max="3G" vm.kmem_size="4G" snd_hda_load="YES" snd_emu10k1_load="YES" nvidia_load="YES" aio_load="YES" sem_load="YES" kern.maxfiles="16384" hw.ata.atapi_dma="1" kern.vty=sc device.hints hint.atkbdc.0.at="isa" hint.atkbdc.0.port="0x060" hint.atkbd.0.at="atkbdc" hint.atkbd.0.irq="1" hint.psm.0.at="atkbdc" hint.psm.0.irq="12" hint.sc.0.at="isa" hint.sc.0.flags="0x103" hint.uart.0.at="isa" hint.uart.0.port="0x3F8" hint.uart.0.flags="0x10" hint.uart.0.irq="4" hint.uart.1.at="isa" hint.uart.1.port="0x2F8" hint.uart.1.irq="3" hint.ppc.0.at="isa" hint.ppc.0.irq="7" hint.atrtc.0.at="isa" hint.atrtc.0.port="0x70" hint.atrtc.0.irq="8" hint.attimer.0.at="isa" hint.attimer.0.port="0x40" hint.attimer.0.irq="0" hint.wbwd.0.at="isa" hint.vga.0.at="isa" Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 2 22:29:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11255B4A for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 22:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x233.google.com (mail-pd0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1ECC222A for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 22:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id fp1so24160575pdb.24 for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 14:29:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4G43psPxoew8VeZv7up8PvBDu/8LIk8LaPN5QwKG7TM=; b=J/fNn/PRF5L2W2aLVpXsVZH2GKH2L7Cdi9JKPuuxRQbkYFyumFnWfWbJm7L6C94R8w l0bP7b7/vZcglMPS9Vul3oD0QKIkWVQH/sFQSE0WRL2YuHl8ZqZq9vul27uCtBZjys5a JDMW4lyxpL7MZkgdVYMObgVw0bDs1gWC0niOfVAwDWPVfky3YTO2oICdKadEZbg5qTIZ cofJsTjfCo1bnyJMZqD6kW7rigzyEn2y4jvD+bnpZU+NVr6qdqe4JWwH9qg5TpqHWYyJ O1gFMikzbl1lJQ7LL9rwKkzEO/zDaT9futSyKf+SjkY/AeWtp64mPY1cJfhdYKSK7toh oR5A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.102.1 with SMTP id fk1mr45919133pab.16.1420237783458; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 14:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.49.38 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 14:29:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 16:29:43 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Trouble installing on uefi machine From: Brian Wood To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 22:29:44 -0000 On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > > I tried it now with FreeBSD-10.1-RELEASE-amd64-uefi-memstick.img > and it hangs like the previous versions I've tried. > > I've tried installing a number of versions of 10.1 and 11 on a HP desktop, but it hasn't worked. The latest attempt is with FreeBSD-11.0-CURRENT-amd64-20141222-r276066-memstick.img. module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff80dd64a0, 0) error 19 vtefifb0: on motherboard acpi0: on motherboard I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it to keep trying new versions or to sell the machine. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 2 23:57:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE5AD868 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86882640AB for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-91.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t02Nus2T009299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:56:54 -0600 Message-ID: <54A731BC.1060601@hiwaay.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:03:08 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Trouble installing on uefi machine References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 23:57:01 -0000 On 01/02/15 16:29, Brian Wood wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > >> I tried it now with FreeBSD-10.1-RELEASE-amd64-uefi-memstick.img >> and it hangs like the previous versions I've tried. >> >> > I've tried installing a number of versions of 10.1 and 11 on a HP > desktop, but it hasn't worked. The latest attempt is with > FreeBSD-11.0-CURRENT-amd64-20141222-r276066-memstick.img. > > module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff80dd64a0, 0) error 19 > vtefifb0: on motherboard > acpi0: on motherboard > > I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it to keep trying new versions or to > sell the machine. > Might be blasphemy, but try 9.3, I'm running that on this box, which is a UEFI BIOS & am running AOK. Install was a bit of an adventure, but that was mostly because I was a FBSD noob trying a rather complex install (installing onto RAID'ed partitions, using script to size the partitions, etc.) .... I used a USB DVD for the install, not a memstick image, FWIW ....$0.02, no more, no less .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 03:53:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27CF8374 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 03:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (brightstar.bomgardner.net [63.229.207.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D8A246D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 03:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by brightstar.bomgardner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA71104; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:53:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Gene" To: Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: Can't get KDE up. Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:53:45 -0600 Message-Id: <20150103035147.M7926@brightstar.bomgardner.net> In-Reply-To: <20150102111959.4e250392@X220.alogt.com> References: <20150101155041.M24986@brightstar.bomgardner.net> <20150102111959.4e250392@X220.alogt.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 192.168.0.25 (fbsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cc: Freebsd Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 03:53:52 -0000 On Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:19:59 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote > Hi, > > On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 10:01:54 -0600 > "Gene" wrote: > > > I'm running FBSD 10.0, Xorg 7.7_1, and kde 4.14.2. > > Contents of ~/.xinitrc: exec /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde > > > if the other hint did not solve the problem, try to install a small > window manager like blackbox to start from there. > > startkde is now part of /usr/local/bin. > > Erich And that was it - changed .xinitrc to reference /usr/local/bin/startkde and voila - started right up. Thanks, GTene -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 08:08:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AE8CEE2 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (smtp-out21.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EF829A6 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Leslies-MacBook-Pro.local (194.237.176.105) by smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (8.5.142.07) id 547534BD01122683 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:07:55 +0100 Message-ID: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:07:55 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Unbound in FreeBSD 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 08:08:54 -0000 Hello list. I've reinstalled a server of mine that was running 9.1, now it's running 10.1. The server is providing basic network services, Caching DNS, DHCP, PF firewall and SAMBA. The challenge I've run into is Unbound DNS. The handbook recommended that one installed Unbound from ports. Which I've done. It works locally and I'm searching for information on how to make it answer requests from my local subnet. With the omission of BIND from FreeBSD I've lost the "dig" command. I use the "dig" command in some scripts to make a list of trusted hosts that can access the local network from the outside. Replacing the "dig" command in my scripts are crucial to the functionality. I would appreciate any hints to help me get my scripts in order and to set up a working caching DNS with Unbound. Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 08:40:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8C1B6A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 696722DA1 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-165.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0DC327653; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:40:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t038eesr002561; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:40:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:40:40 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: Unbound in FreeBSD 10 Message-Id: <20150103094040.0cc0f867.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> References: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 08:40:44 -0000 On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:07:55 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: > With the omission of BIND from FreeBSD I've lost the "dig" command. I > use the "dig" command in some scripts to make a list of trusted hosts > that can access the local network from the outside. > > Replacing the "dig" command in my scripts are crucial to the functionality. While dig belongs to bind, unbound is using drill. You could probably create a symlink to keep your scripts' use of dig. Additionally, you could stop using unbound at all and install bind from ports. This will of course come with the dig command, and you could basically use your old system's bind configuration, you just have to make the move from /etc to /usr/local/etc for the configuration files. There is nothing wrong using bind from ports. It's just that bind not part of the OS distribution anymore, because unbound offers the "more simple features" of bind for DNS resolving, and for everything else, bind from ports can still be used. It's also a newer version than the one which came with the OS. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 08:51:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DC429AC for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (smtp-out21.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCF22ECF for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Leslies-MacBook-Pro.local (194.237.176.105) by smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (8.5.142.07) id 547534BD0112478C; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:51:08 +0100 Message-ID: <54A7AD7C.5090807@eskk.nu> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:51:08 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Unbound in FreeBSD 10 References: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> <20150103094040.0cc0f867.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150103094040.0cc0f867.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 08:51:16 -0000 Polytropon skrev 2015-01-03 09:40: > On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:07:55 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> With the omission of BIND from FreeBSD I've lost the "dig" command. I >> use the "dig" command in some scripts to make a list of trusted hosts >> that can access the local network from the outside. >> >> Replacing the "dig" command in my scripts are crucial to the functionality. > While dig belongs to bind, unbound is using drill. > You could probably create a symlink to keep your > scripts' use of dig. > > Additionally, you could stop using unbound at all > and install bind from ports. This will of course > come with the dig command, and you could basically > use your old system's bind configuration, you just > have to make the move from /etc to /usr/local/etc > for the configuration files. > > There is nothing wrong using bind from ports. It's > just that bind not part of the OS distribution anymore, > because unbound offers the "more simple features" of > bind for DNS resolving, and for everything else, bind > from ports can still be used. It's also a newer version > than the one which came with the OS. > > Thanks for you answer :-) I did try to replace dig with drill in the scripts. It did not work. I'll try your suggestion with a symlink. Your suggestion of using bind has crossed my mind. After reading up on unbound I can understand the reason to the change. I've been goggling for quite a while to find descriptions on how to use Unbound but very little useful information has turned up. /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 09:16:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 380BCEAB for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECA70138B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-165.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A1AF27661; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:16:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t039GUR4002683; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:16:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:16:30 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: Unbound in FreeBSD 10 Message-Id: <20150103101630.c29c3bb4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <54A7AD7C.5090807@eskk.nu> References: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> <20150103094040.0cc0f867.freebsd@edvax.de> <54A7AD7C.5090807@eskk.nu> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:16:34 -0000 On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:51:08 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: > I did try to replace dig with drill in the scripts. It did not work. > I'll try your suggestion with a symlink. There is a certain grade of compatibility, but it may not be 100 percent identical regarding options or output. > Your suggestion of using bind has crossed my mind. After reading up on > unbound I can understand the reason to the change. On network systems I maintain, I usually tend to install bind from ports and use that. The advantage is that scripts using dig will continue working as long as there isn't too much hardcoded paths. Additionally, symlinking /usr/bin/dig@ -> /usr/local/bin/dig is less of a problem than trying /usr/bin/dig@ -> /usr/bin/drill (simply because it's a different program). The version in ports is also current and can be updated if required by the usual means (pkg or portmaster) and can be maintained independently from the OS. > I've been goggling for quite a while to find descriptions on how to use > Unbound but very little useful information has turned up. I keep using unbound on workstations and home machines and laptops, for all purposes where I don't need more than a simple resolver. For everything else, see bind. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 09:20:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EBEDFB2 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (smtp-out21.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D50B13DD for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:20:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Leslies-MacBook-Pro.local (194.237.176.105) by smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (8.5.142.07) id 547534BD0112652C; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:19:57 +0100 Message-ID: <54A7B43D.4030209@eskk.nu> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:19:57 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Unbound in FreeBSD 10 References: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> <20150103094040.0cc0f867.freebsd@edvax.de> <54A7AD7C.5090807@eskk.nu> <20150103101630.c29c3bb4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150103101630.c29c3bb4.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:20:07 -0000 Polytropon skrev 2015-01-03 10:16: > On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:51:08 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> I did try to replace dig with drill in the scripts. It did not work. >> I'll try your suggestion with a symlink. > There is a certain grade of compatibility, but it may > not be 100 percent identical regarding options or output. > > > >> Your suggestion of using bind has crossed my mind. After reading up on >> unbound I can understand the reason to the change. > On network systems I maintain, I usually tend to install > bind from ports and use that. The advantage is that > scripts using dig will continue working as long as > there isn't too much hardcoded paths. Additionally, > symlinking /usr/bin/dig@ -> /usr/local/bin/dig is > less of a problem than trying /usr/bin/dig@ -> /usr/bin/drill > (simply because it's a different program). The version > in ports is also current and can be updated if required > by the usual means (pkg or portmaster) and can be > maintained independently from the OS. > > > >> I've been goggling for quite a while to find descriptions on how to use >> Unbound but very little useful information has turned up. > I keep using unbound on workstations and home machines > and laptops, for all purposes where I don't need more > than a simple resolver. For everything else, see bind. :-) > > OK Thank you. I get your point :-) Returning to bind ;-) /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 09:23:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D951EA for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out12.han.skanova.net (smtp-out12.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4161529 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Leslies-MacBook-Pro.local (194.237.176.105) by smtp-out12.han.skanova.net (8.5.142.07) id 5435BD330125EAD0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:22:09 +0100 Message-ID: <54A7B4C1.4040308@eskk.nu> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:22:09 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Error when configuring Sendmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:23:30 -0000 On my newly installed FreeBSD 10.1 server I'm trying to configure Sendmail. It usually works but on this 10.1 machine I get the following error: make all install restart make: don't know how to make /etc/mail/server.no-ip.org.cf. Stop make: stopped in /etc/mail My /etc/make.conf SENDMAIL_MC=/etc/mail/server.no-ip.org.mc SENDMAIL_SUBMIT_MC=/etc/mail/server.no-ip.org.submit.mc Should there also be an entry for a .cf file in make.conf? The make.conf man page says Note that/SENDMAIL/*_*/CF/ is now deprecated. Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 09:29:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87B681FC for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:29:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out11.han.skanova.net (smtp-out11.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F2615B1 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Leslies-MacBook-Pro.local (194.237.176.105) by smtp-out11.han.skanova.net (8.5.142.07) id 544A6E2E01FD135F; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:29:31 +0100 Message-ID: <54A7B67B.9000102@eskk.nu> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:29:31 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Unbound in FreeBSD 10 References: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> <20150103094040.0cc0f867.freebsd@edvax.de> <54A7AD7C.5090807@eskk.nu> <20150103101630.c29c3bb4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150103101630.c29c3bb4.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:29:45 -0000 Polytropon skrev 2015-01-03 10:16: > On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:51:08 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> I did try to replace dig with drill in the scripts. It did not work. >> I'll try your suggestion with a symlink. > There is a certain grade of compatibility, but it may > not be 100 percent identical regarding options or output. > > > >> Your suggestion of using bind has crossed my mind. After reading up on >> unbound I can understand the reason to the change. > On network systems I maintain, I usually tend to install > bind from ports and use that. The advantage is that > scripts using dig will continue working as long as > there isn't too much hardcoded paths. Additionally, > symlinking /usr/bin/dig@ -> /usr/local/bin/dig is > less of a problem than trying /usr/bin/dig@ -> /usr/bin/drill > (simply because it's a different program). The version > in ports is also current and can be updated if required > by the usual means (pkg or portmaster) and can be > maintained independently from the OS. > > > >> I've been goggling for quite a while to find descriptions on how to use >> Unbound but very little useful information has turned up. > I keep using unbound on workstations and home machines > and laptops, for all purposes where I don't need more > than a simple resolver. For everything else, see bind. :-) > > Just a simple question bind 9.9 or 9.10? Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 10:31:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57842B40 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (smtp-out21.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73FB64F23 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Leslies-MacBook-Pro.local (194.237.176.105) by smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (8.5.142.07) id 547534BD0112A9B7; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:31:34 +0100 Message-ID: <54A7C506.3070703@eskk.nu> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 11:31:34 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Unbound in FreeBSD 10 References: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> <20150103094040.0cc0f867.freebsd@edvax.de> <54A7AD7C.5090807@eskk.nu> <20150103101630.c29c3bb4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150103101630.c29c3bb4.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:31:42 -0000 Polytropon skrev 2015-01-03 10:16: > On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:51:08 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> I did try to replace dig with drill in the scripts. It did not work. >> I'll try your suggestion with a symlink. > There is a certain grade of compatibility, but it may > not be 100 percent identical regarding options or output. > > > >> Your suggestion of using bind has crossed my mind. After reading up on >> unbound I can understand the reason to the change. > On network systems I maintain, I usually tend to install > bind from ports and use that. The advantage is that > scripts using dig will continue working as long as > there isn't too much hardcoded paths. Additionally, > symlinking /usr/bin/dig@ -> /usr/local/bin/dig is > less of a problem than trying /usr/bin/dig@ -> /usr/bin/drill > (simply because it's a different program). The version > in ports is also current and can be updated if required > by the usual means (pkg or portmaster) and can be > maintained independently from the OS. > > > >> I've been goggling for quite a while to find descriptions on how to use >> Unbound but very little useful information has turned up. > I keep using unbound on workstations and home machines > and laptops, for all purposes where I don't need more > than a simple resolver. For everything else, see bind. :-) > > I found configuration example for a caching DNS that works for me. Quite simple! https://calomel.org/unbound_dns.html /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 10:32:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 771FEBDA for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out11.han.skanova.net (smtp-out11.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6A864F45 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Leslies-MacBook-Pro.local (194.237.176.105) by smtp-out11.han.skanova.net (8.5.142.07) id 544A6E2E01FD4B8D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:32:46 +0100 Message-ID: <54A7C54E.3000708@eskk.nu> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 11:32:46 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Follow up question, unbound drill command Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:32:48 -0000 I have two scripts that makes a table that I use in PF to allow access from the outside to my local network. The command I use can look like the line below. for HOST in $HOSTS; do pfctl -t goodguys -T add `dig +short $HOST $NS`; done Replacing dig with drill in the command does not work. Making a symlink in /usr/bin ln -s drill dig solves the problem. Any suggestions on what I need to do in the script in order to make drill work? Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 12:40:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A907B265 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "ca.infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18CA36600E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t03CeW62036737 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:40:33 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t03CeW62036737 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t03CeW62036737; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral Message-ID: <54A7E33F.4020909@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 12:40:31 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unbound in FreeBSD 10 References: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> <20150103094040.0cc0f867.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150103094040.0cc0f867.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H9JuJUcmFF5G9QQjpPP8NglSFwW9ds26h" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 12:40:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --H9JuJUcmFF5G9QQjpPP8NglSFwW9ds26h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/01/2015 08:40, Polytropon wrote: > While dig belongs to bind, unbound is using drill. > You could probably create a symlink to keep your > scripts' use of dig. Just install bind-tools Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Follow up question, unbound drill command Message-ID: <20150103125246.GA99061@oslo.ath.cx> References: <54A7C54E.3000708@eskk.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54A7C54E.3000708@eskk.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 12:52:51 -0000 On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 11:32:46AM +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > I have two scripts that makes a table that I use in PF to allow access > from the outside to my local network. > > The command I use can look like the line below. > > for HOST in $HOSTS; do pfctl -t goodguys -T add `dig +short $HOST $NS`; done > > > Replacing dig with drill in the command does not work. > > > Making a symlink in /usr/bin > > ln -s drill dig > > solves the problem. > > > Any suggestions on what I need to do in the script in order to make > drill work? Accoding to the man pages host and drill have no short option! Why are you installing dns/bind-tools? -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 13:14:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3512E56; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 13:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908AF66514; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 13:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881605E0EF; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 14:02:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.951 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.951 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id bvQqkHv9KMLs; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 14:02:09 +0100 (CET) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from Leslies-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [80.70.153.55]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039745E0B5; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 14:02:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54A7E837.7060108@eskk.nu> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 14:01:43 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unbound in FreeBSD 10 References: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> <20150103094040.0cc0f867.freebsd@edvax.de> <54A7E33F.4020909@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <54A7E33F.4020909@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 13:14:59 -0000 Matthew Seaman skrev 2015-01-03 13:40: > On 03/01/2015 08:40, Polytropon wrote: >> While dig belongs to bind, unbound is using drill. >> You could probably create a symlink to keep your >> scripts' use of dig. > Just install bind-tools > > Cheers, > > Matthew > Thank you Matthew I didn't think of that. Will try it out. /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 13:35:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3C682E0 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 13:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ceto.cloudzeeland.nl (cloudzeeland.xs4all.nl [83.161.133.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cloudzeeland.nl", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C9D1172D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 13:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ceto.cloudzeeland.nl (ceto.cloudzeeland.nl [10.10.10.30]) by ceto.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B240847CB0B1 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 14:35:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.10.10.33] (unknown [82.176.127.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by ceto.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 834B447CB07D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 14:35:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54A7F03A.4070108@webrz.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 14:35:54 +0100 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Beste Wishes for 2015! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on ceto.cloudzeeland.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 13:35:55 -0000 I would like to thank the FreeBSD team(s) and all list members for their support and hope everyone enjoys an informative and productional 2015. Keep up the good work! BR, Jos Chrispijn - Vision is not seeing things as they are, but as they will be... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 17:07:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64FF5795 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 17:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x232.google.com (mail-we0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDDAE646AE for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 17:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id p10so5767240wes.23 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:07:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ncQQ1MWD6TejmjNz3IrFp+nR+Yaiq/mF0T/bVhY0TjQ=; b=fTlkUFuvi/EnszVhnOqEtCLhkfwD1HfVfRcM/nnEKSOjpLQg2+1qmG2M1xGyJ3dk59 lvdyfiWyicinFXGAc8C0RDRDQOdIhgGqumHW4i5/eXNJ2ZdiMy3/CfeSzQxuZ5lque8v 3YurOkLIqhx2q61NoBZheapAPRLgpLDvrwwArZ2ZE7CxHg8lToJB6o36HW8EQlKYbxc9 JQdX2ff+0LrPwkQ+CZCV+hJ7ZEX/HLi5AvRc2WozmIEu8HDHFjyVTEJrB9WQsswPPl7V 2WWQ6chmd76WfwUNWto4Jnz+kR1j4gHxg+tYjoaJVwWUmGJl0KI9G/wmieVWapzgxiJi 7icw== X-Received: by 10.180.77.79 with SMTP id q15mr8555520wiw.8.1420304834434; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (5ec3c54b.skybroadband.com. [94.195.197.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gu5sm3113375wib.24.2015.01.03.09.07.13 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:07:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 17:07:11 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unbound in FreeBSD 10 Message-ID: <20150103170711.7102d5f9@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <54A7B43D.4030209@eskk.nu> References: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> <20150103094040.0cc0f867.freebsd@edvax.de> <54A7AD7C.5090807@eskk.nu> <20150103101630.c29c3bb4.freebsd@edvax.de> <54A7B43D.4030209@eskk.nu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 17:07:16 -0000 On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:19:57 +0100 Leslie Jensen wrote: > > Polytropon skrev 2015-01-03 10:16: > > > >> I've been goggling for quite a while to find descriptions on how > >> to use Unbound but very little useful information has turned up. > > I keep using unbound on workstations and home machines > > and laptops, for all purposes where I don't need more > > than a simple resolver. For everything else, see bind. :-) > > > > > > OK Thank you. > > I get your point :-) > > Returning to bind ;-) You don't need bind just for dig, you can install dns/bind-tools. 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From: Dennis Glatting To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:34:37 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.9 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SoftwareMunitions-MailScanner-Information: Dennis Glatting X-SoftwareMunitions-MailScanner-ID: t03IYbAk033240 X-SoftwareMunitions-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: dg@pki2.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:34:48 -0000 While compiling an and64 kernel: cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I/usr/src/sys/modules/iscsi/../../ofed/include -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include /disk-2/obj/usr/src/sys/PENFORD-FreeBSD10-amd64/opt_global.h -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -fno-common -g -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mno-omit-leaf-frame-pointer -I/disk-2/obj/usr/src/sys/PENFORD-FreeBSD10-amd64 -mno-aes -mno-avx -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone -mno-mmx -mno-sse -msoft-float -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -gdwarf-2 -std=iso9899:1999 -Qunused-arguments -fstack-protector -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -Wno-error-tautological-compare -Wno-error-empty-body -Wno-error-parentheses-equality -Wno-error-unused-function -c /usr/src/sys/modules/iscsi/../../dev/iscsi//icl.c /usr/src/sys/modules/iscsi/../../dev/iscsi//icl.c:155:1: error: static declaration of 'icl_pdu_new' follows non-static declaration icl_pdu_new(struct icl_conn *ic, int flags) ^ @/dev/iscsi/icl.h:60:18: note: previous declaration is here struct icl_pdu *icl_pdu_new(struct icl_conn *ic, int flags); ^ 1 error generated. *** Error code 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 19:24:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 992B7557 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 19:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x230.google.com (mail-wg0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CA5464D5B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 19:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id l2so233824wgh.35 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 11:24:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kZA0Tq/wSXZZN9N0KwdywVxkE9LW3JnFHdL37nP4dkY=; b=XUrHy7FqlJl0yPrx3vZeo4qBukaK3+0rJGdMAJaUsECb5NxxNNIi7SojOJmvvGqBTC mmCMAl5p7Dz82AbRIiFJo7b8rekWnrSc5/rRfDarOuf+WADmBpAdq9VWJaZTXb8RIUJA gYVmcfZHQb0kIOBIciVZL2D/4FbzOt1SYTRarNHBKMwO4X7AuDll1f1aN4k9aOJGOYXw jrzyncolUenvDH5UHDzrTNaY9XyBvaS5gytK/9v1WGyhp+2ZPQ4d70LmEGOXwziuc9vS fODSIO3Jjb+qqpuT3/kTyNvGu5kPfMhHWF5mJlkkzXAEWR7N9/TWuzxlO8Wfr9J3v0jU M3dg== X-Received: by 10.180.96.33 with SMTP id dp1mr9494935wib.13.1420313077713; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 11:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.63] (xdsl-89-0-86-112.netcologne.de. [89.0.86.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ck7sm69002558wjb.13.2015.01.03.11.24.36 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 03 Jan 2015 11:24:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54A85003.3000301@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:24:35 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Gr=c3=bcnewald?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:34.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/34.0 SeaMonkey/2.31 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: TCSH completion patterns and the pkg command Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 19:24:39 -0000 The C-shell included in the base system is a popular(?) interactive shell among FreeBSD users. It features a useful completion mechanism which works very well for commands using a classical(?) UNIX syntax: command -a argA -b argB --longopt longarg item1 item2 … Some popular software package such as git or subversion use a small variation of this UNIX syntax which, to the best of my knowledge, defeats the C-shell: command subcommand -a argA -b argB --longopt longarg item1 item2 … Today, there is several important commands in FreeBSD using such a scheme, such as pkg, pw or gpart. Do we have any plans to enhance the C-shell completion features to deal nicely with this scheme? An easy workaround is to define an alias for each subcommand, I use this strategy in my tcshfiles: https://github.com/michipili/tcshfiles/commit/9caf67c It would however be nicer to have a more capable completion system in the C-shell. -- Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 19:37:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B4A8E5C for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 19:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C3B11034 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 19:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-165.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13B3B3CE47; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 20:37:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t03JbYfW002410; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 20:37:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 20:37:34 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Michael =?UTF-8?B?R3LDvG5ld2FsZA==?= Subject: Re: TCSH completion patterns and the pkg command Message-Id: <20150103203734.5086dfd6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <54A85003.3000301@gmail.com> References: <54A85003.3000301@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 19:37:44 -0000 On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:24:35 +0100, Michael Grünewald wrote: > The C-shell included in the base system is a popular(?) interactive > shell among FreeBSD users. The C shell is the system's _default_ interactive shell. This statement does not carry any judgmental statement. :-) > Some popular software package such as git or subversion use a small > variation of this UNIX syntax which, to the best of my knowledge, > defeats the C-shell: > > command subcommand -a argA -b argB --longopt longarg item1 item2 … > > Today, there is several important commands in FreeBSD using such > a scheme, such as pkg, pw or gpart. > > Do we have any plans to enhance the C-shell completion features to > deal nicely with this scheme? > > An easy workaround is to define an alias for each subcommand, I use > this strategy in my tcshfiles: > > https://github.com/michipili/tcshfiles/commit/9caf67c In my opinion, this is possible, but not easy. I'd say it's easier to teach the C shell the completition rules for the commands you want. Here's an example: complete gpart 'p/*/(add backup bootcode commit <... more ...>)/' This should work the same for pkg, pw, svn, git, zfs, zpool and so on. A similar approach works nicely for dd. Additionally, you don't have to "pollute" your system with aliases which only exist for the sake of completition. > It would however be nicer to have a more capable completion system > in the C-shell. It should be no problem if additional settings like those, when desired by the users' community, would be included per default in the /etc/csh.cshrc global file. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 3 20:09:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0A925B2 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 20:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.31]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 463761537 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 20:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home ([83.162.243.5]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id bY8W1p00407iGuj01Y8XFw; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:08:32 +0100 Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1C6921240C; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:08:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:08:30 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: Unbound in FreeBSD 10 Message-ID: <20150103200830.GA2638@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Leslie Jensen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54A7A35B.8070201@eskk.nu> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 20:09:46 -0000 --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 09:07:55AM +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > Hello list. > > I've reinstalled a server of mine that was running 9.1, now it's running > 10.1. > > The server is providing basic network services, Caching DNS, DHCP, PF > firewall and SAMBA. > > The challenge I've run into is Unbound DNS. The handbook recommended > that one installed Unbound from ports. Which I've done. It works locally > and I'm searching for information on how to make it answer requests from > my local subnet. You could look at the dns/dnsmasq port. It is intended to provide coupled D= NS and DHCP service to a LAN. This means you don't have to set up both bind and dhcpd for updating. 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dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral Message-ID: <54A86667.7010206@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 22:00:07 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bind domain and subdomain on same machines References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3ANnFPtge8J6P3KP2dArDDUwgF9vrI6vs" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 22:00:37 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --3ANnFPtge8J6P3KP2dArDDUwgF9vrI6vs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/01/2015 21:40, helen ly wrote: > can I configure Secondary DNS Server on same primary machine > I have virtual interfaces > i want to make as a domain(primary) and a subdomain(secondary) > can this be archievd only with one zone file for two(domain,subdomain) = and one named.conf.local Sure, you can do this, but not with just one zone file. You will need two zone definitions in your named.conf. Something like: zone "example.com" { type master; file "/usr/local/etc/namedb/master/example.com"; allow-query { any; }; allow-transfer { secondaries; }; }; zone "foo.example.com" { type "slave"; masters { 192.0.2.1; }; allow-query { any; }; }; But you will definitely need separate zone files for the parent and child domains. That's the only way you can have one as primary and the other as a secondary. However, when BIND is acting as the secondary it just transfers the zone data from the primary, and you don't have to do anything to that file other than provide space for it in your filesystem.= Consult the Bind9 ARM for the details of what you can put into zone definitions. Also remember you need to delegate the sub-zone to whatever nameservers you're using by adding suitable NS records in your zone data. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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[89.0.141.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n8sm69542136wjx.0.2015.01.03.15.04.04 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 03 Jan 2015 15:04:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54A8836D.1010805@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 01:03:57 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Gr=c3=bcnewald?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:34.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/34.0 SeaMonkey/2.31 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: TCSH completion patterns and the pkg command References: <54A85003.3000301@gmail.com> <20150103203734.5086dfd6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150103203734.5086dfd6.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 23:04:07 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > The C shell is the system's _default_ interactive shell. > This statement does not carry any judgmental statement. :-) I was not sure any more about this, so I went lazy and blurry. :) > In my opinion, this is possible, but not easy. I'd say > it's easier to teach the C shell the completition rules > for the commands you want. I am not sure it easier to do so. If we consider the special example of git: * We have several possible sort of completion lists: remotes, branch names, tags, and commit hashs — the latter are commonly used for git commit --fixup et al. * We have a lot of subcommands having many options whose names sometimes collide and do not always use the same arguments (e.g. git diff -b and git checkout -b). It seems to me that it is very hard to propose pertinent completions for git if we do not take the current subcommand into account — but frankly, I did not try very hard. -- Michael