From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 9 05:31:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: docs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F631106566B for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2009 05:31:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from k7.mavetju.org (ppp113-58.static.internode.on.net [150.101.113.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114628FC12 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2009 05:31:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by k7.mavetju.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 934B0450A6; Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:11:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:11:50 +1000 From: Edwin Groothuis To: docs@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20090609051150.GE98804@mavetju.org> References: <200906080533.n585X9ao017209@svn.freebsd.org> <20090608123856.570933oz30orz0w0@webmail.leidinger.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090608123856.570933oz30orz0w0@webmail.leidinger.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: svn commit: r193688 - head/share/timedef X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:31:40 -0000 On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 12:38:56PM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > [patch] [locale] German locales use old %d.%m.%y date format > >instead of newer ISO date > > > > From the submitter: > > > > DIN 5008 (German norm for text processing) defines the old date > > format (%d.%m.%Y) to be obsolete and to be used only, if unambigous. > > In international communications the new format (%Y-%m-%d) is now > > required and FreeBSD should respect this. > > What does this mean? Does 'date' with the de_DE locate print out Y-m-d > instead of d.m.Y now? This would look strange to me, as this is not > used in normal daily communications. The government sends letters with > dates in d.m.Y, newspapers have d.m.Y, and the daily news in the TV > also display d.m.Y. > > The text above specifies that this seems to be intended for > international communications. When I set de_DE in my locale for my > user, this is not international communication, it's more like "I want > to see text/dates in my local language/conventions". > > As the PR is from 2004, and we have 2009 now, I'm not sure if this > change is correct. I haven't read the corresponding standards/documents. > > > PR: conf/72076 > > Submitted by: Peter Wullinger > > MFC after: 1 week > > I think you should not MFC this so fast. It may be better to discuss > this with our German doc people (docs@ CCed), maybe this needs to be > backed out. What do the German doc people think about it? Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis Website: http://www.mavetju.org/ edwin@mavetju.org Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/