From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 6 15:04:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E412C16A4CE; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84DE043D1F; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.250]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i56M4WNP005752; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i56M4WuO097124; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i56M4W6G097123; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:04:32 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Daniel Eischen Message-ID: <20040606220432.GA97091@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20040606211249.GC96607@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! KSE needs more attention X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 22:04:33 -0000 On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 05:27:56PM -0400, Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > As for alpha, we don't even seem to be able to degrade it to tier 2 > > without losing face. kris@ has already stopped package builds for it > > for his own sake. > > We shouldn't keep an arch at tier 1 just to save face. Better to just > lower it to tier 2 and be done with it. My $.02, FWIW. You misunderstand my statement. Lowering alpha to tier 2 is what I suggested multiple times before. The point is that we haven't yet and alpha is degenerating more and more while we fail to adjust the tierness. That's where we fail to save face. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net