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Subject: Re: buffers not syncing correctly during shutdown
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on 14/10/2009 16:10 Gary Jennejohn said the following:
> 
> I'm inclined to say that umount'ing the file systems is failing because
> you pulled the USB stick out without doing umount.  Of course, that
> results in all file systems still being marked dirty.  Obviously, this
> pathological case isn't being handled.
> 
> I personally don't see why it ever should be handled.  This is UNIX not
> Windows and users should be smart enough to know that they umount such
> devices before removing them otherwise nasty things can happen.

There was a specific project funded by FreeBSD Foundation to handle issues like
this. UNIX does not have to have deficiencies in comparison with Windows, and
mistakes / emergency situations do happen.

Developer who worked on the mentioned above project has expressed interest in
resolving this issue.

-- 
Andriy Gapon