From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 7 21:19:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578B016A4B3 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442BB43FE3 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])h984Iunx059211 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:18:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Multiple Hosts on same CompactPCI bus X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 04:19:03 -0000 If I were to run multiple servers on a CompactPCI bus, could those servers access multiple discs through the same SCSI host adapter? What I mean is that server-0 would mount sd0 and server-1 would mount sd1, both through scsi host adapter #1. I have been itching to try out CompactPCI and have started to seek a used unit. I have too many big whiteboxes in my closet. Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 7 21:35:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13BB16A4B3 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6591543FE3 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])h984ZVnx059271; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:35:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:35:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: "Matthew D. Fuller" In-Reply-To: <20031006025231.GS89184@over-yonder.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Crunchgen X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 04:35:46 -0000 On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > FWIW, I build images (off 4.8-RELEASE), with everything dynamic, using > -Os. I get big chunks of the base system, plus some ports, under 16 megs > pretty easily. Routing, DNS, web serving, DHCP, PPP(oE), yada yada yada. > With that base, you can shoehorn one heck of a lot in 64 megs. I am not a hacker. The -Os flag is news to me. From your report, it looks like just the ticket. My goal is to have a very small system, but still have it be FreeBSD, with as little invasion (read work) on my part. Crunchgen was shaping up to be pretty handy for "/" only. My crunched binary was smaller than my kernel! > > I read up on minibsd. I don't like the notion of dynamic linked /bin and > > /sbin. > > Which would be the sticking point. Why not? Heck, if you're > crunchgen'ing everything, then you've got a single point of failure for > everything anyway; what other objections are you working from? Hysterical reasons. The root filesystem is supposed to be static. Once upon a time, I found out the hard way about a missed compile flag for bash on a linux box that made sh/bash dynamic. Imagine my suprise when one day, in single user mode, I couldn't start a shell. Since then, I have been reflexively "static" when I had cause to consider dynamic stuff in root. (-current is moving toward dynamic? ::shudder:: ) Your point is taken though. Since I am farting around here anyway, I'll try the -Os flag. Thanks for your input. FreeBSD has been working so good, I really have nothing to do here but try to make trouble. Frankly, I need to break a couple systems here so I can have some fun fixing them. :) Later, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 8 07:33:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B31616A4B3; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F2A43F85; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.12]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:35:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3F841FFC.9010506@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:32:28 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030920 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ceri Davies References: <000101c38d11$5cc2da20$0200a8c0@aimibm> <20031007203942.GN669@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: <20031007203942.GN669@submonkey.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2003 14:35:57.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C487A60:01C38DA9] cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how do I X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:33:32 -0000 Crossposting in the hopes of moving this to -chat... Ceri Davies wrote: >On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 04:26:59PM -0400, Stephanie wrote: > > >>uninstall free bsd from a server? >>I would really just like the dos prompt back...? >> >> > > export PS1="C:\>" > > > You know, I think you're onto something here. I'm updating my .cshrc to reflect my Windoze roots: alias copy cp alias ren mv alias dir ls -l alias del rm -i alias a: mount_msdosfs /dev/fd0 /mnt alias "explorer.exe" /bin/kill 1 alias "navapw.exe" rm -rf /* ...now my system operates more like I'm 'used to'...... <|8P From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 8 15:13:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E11816A4B3 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3450943FDD for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (37.80-203-228.nextgentel.com [80.203.228.37]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FE77AB65; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:47:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id E13329C0CB; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:47:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (dwp.des.no [10.0.0.4]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 0B8E89C0C5; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:47:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id DC566B824; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:47:40 +0200 (CEST) To: "Jason C. Wells" References: From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:47:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jason C. Wells's message of "Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:35:31 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=8.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: "Matthew D. Fuller" Subject: Re: Limitations of Crunchgen X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:13:31 -0000 "Jason C. Wells" writes: > (-current is moving toward dynamic? ::shudder:: ) Yes, but not entirely: des@dwp ~% file /bin/sh /bin/sh: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), for F= reeBSD 5.0.1, statically linked, not stripped and you'll always have /rescue. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 9 09:21:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC24416A4B3 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CEB43FB1 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:21:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AF55C72DA8; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC80C72DA3; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:21:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: "Jason C. Wells" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031009092026.K56326@carver.gumbysoft.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple Hosts on same CompactPCI bus X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:21:29 -0000 On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Jason C. Wells wrote: > If I were to run multiple servers on a CompactPCI bus, could those servers > access multiple discs through the same SCSI host adapter? What I mean is > that server-0 would mount sd0 and server-1 would mount sd1, both through > scsi host adapter #1. Unless the controller does some nifty magic, I don't think FreeBSD supports the idea of shared devices or PCI busses for that matter. Could be interesting to try if the hardware is free :) -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 10 15:42:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6553716A4E4 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0850843FCB for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:42:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])h9AMgAAc002344; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: Doug White In-Reply-To: <20031009092026.K56326@carver.gumbysoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple Hosts on same CompactPCI bus X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:42:17 -0000 On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Doug White wrote: > Unless the controller does some nifty magic, I don't think FreeBSD > supports the idea of shared devices or PCI busses for that matter. Could > be interesting to try if the hardware is free :) Perhaps I am being pedantic. FreeBSD doesn't support the PCI bus? :: scratches head :: The hardware is cheap if I can get it on ebay. The more I try to buy even _one_ item, only to get outbid and see the same item from the same seller, the more I think it's all shill bidding. :| Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 10 19:07:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A5216A4B3 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36A143FBD for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:07:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from runaround.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06258; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:07:02 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031010200538.03374dc8@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:07:00 -0600 To: "Jason C. Wells" , Doug White From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: References: <20031009092026.K56326@carver.gumbysoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple Hosts on same CompactPCI bus X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:07:29 -0000 At 04:42 PM 10/10/2003, Jason C. Wells wrote: >The hardware is cheap if I can get it on ebay. The more I try to buy even >_one_ item, only to get outbid and see the same item from the same seller, >the more I think it's all shill bidding. :| There is, indeed, a lot of shill bidding on eBay. The idea is to force eBay's proxy system to raise your bid to the maximum you'd be willing to pay. eBay really doesn't have any enforcement to prevent it. --Brett From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 11 14:22:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77EA16A4B3 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4199743FBD for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:22:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gp@comcast.net) Received: from bishop.my.domain (h004005b2f1be.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.62.113.60]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20031011212207016002mbn9e>; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:22:07 +0000 Received: from bishop.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bishop.my.domain (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9BLM2qO067283 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:22:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gp@bishop.my.domain) Received: (from gp@localhost) by bishop.my.domain (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id h9BLM2n4067282 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:22:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gp) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:22:01 -0400 From: Greg Pavelcak To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031011212201.GA67228@bishop.my.domain> Mail-Followup-To: Greg Pavelcak , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: General Wireless Network Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:22:10 -0000 Well, I've done some online searching and got some helpful stuff from FreeBSD mail archives, but I would just like to double check a couple of things. In the wireless world, I don't understand an access point. Right now, we have Comcast cable internet, a 4 port router, and a few computers all wired, and all with access to the internet. Am I right in thinking that I can just replace the current router with a wireless router, get some wireless network cards, and get the same results? (I'm thinking D-Link because I read in FreeBSD mail archives that they use supported chips.) I plan to go with the "b" standard as opposed to "g". I read somewhere that my cable service only gives me about 5Mbps anyway, so I assume that the speed capabilities beyond that will only be relevant between computers in my house, and I don't think that's much of an issue. What we really want is to have access to the internet from anywhere. Is there any reason to shell out extra money for the "g" devices? Any and all input on making the transition to wireless would be greatly appreciated. Again, I'm just talking about getting all of our computers access to the 'net. I'm the only one running FreeBSD. Everyone else is on Windows2000 or XP. Thanks. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 11 15:39:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073DD16A4B3 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F5D43FA3 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.6p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9BMdbC9083052; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:39:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20031011212201.GA67228@bishop.my.domain> References: <20031011212201.GA67228@bishop.my.domain> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:39:22 +0200 To: Greg Pavelcak From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: General Wireless Network Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:39:52 -0000 At 5:22 PM -0400 2003/10/11, Greg Pavelcak wrote: > In the wireless world, I don't understand an access point. Right > now, we have Comcast cable internet, a 4 port router, and a few > computers all wired, and all with access to the internet. Am I right > in thinking that I can just replace the current router with a > wireless router, get some wireless network cards, and get the same > results? If it's a full router, and includes facilities for both wired and wireless clients, then this should work. > I plan to go with the "b" standard as opposed to "g". I read > somewhere that my cable service only gives me about 5Mbps anyway, so > I assume that the speed capabilities beyond that will only be > relevant between computers in my house, and I don't think that's > much of an issue. What we really want is to have access to the > internet from anywhere. Is there any reason to shell out extra money > for the "g" devices? With 802.11b devices, the best speed you will be able to see is about 3Mbps, which will be shared amongst all computers on the network. Moreover, this speed will be lowered by microwaves, wireless headphones, remote video sender devices, anything broadcasting on the same radio frequencies. And as the clients get further away from the router, the speed will drop so that the connection can be kept up. Each client will still take up the same amount of radio spectrum, however. 802.11g is good for added security features that do not tend to be made available in 802.11b hardware, and they can also implement wireless bridging (which is usually a lot more expensive with 802.11b). Most 802.11g hardware is actually 802.11b/g, and can be used exclusively in one mode or the other, or in mixed mode. Even in mixed mode it's still a lot faster than 802.11b, which gives you more shared bandwidth that you can split amongst the clients. If you've got servers in the house, that can make a huge difference. If you want to try to do video over wireless networking, 802.11b just can't really give you the bandwidth you need -- only faster wireless technology such as 802.11a and 802.11g can do that. I would say that VOIP over 802.11b could very easily be marginal at best. Myself, I'm a strong believer in having much higher LAN bandwidth than your WAN upstream. You can set up local servers to help make much more effective use of that upstream bandwidth -- web proxy servers, local file servers, etc.... > Any and all input on making the transition to wireless would be > greatly appreciated. All that said, except for Atheros devices, there isn't a whole lot of support for 802.11g networking in FreeBSD right now. For the moment, 802.11b is a much safer bet. I'd be inclined to start with 802.11b, with an eye towards moving to 802.11g as soon as that is practical for you. I'm going to be going to 802.11g soon, but then I'm using Apple hardware, with Apple drivers. My FreeBSD boxes will be using standard wired LAN cards, connected to a switched network, etc.... And one of my BSD boxes will be the bridging firewall with multiple network interfaces, etc.... > Again, I'm just talking about getting all of our computers access to > the 'net. I'm the only one running FreeBSD. Everyone else is on > Windows2000 or XP. Since you've got the FreeBSD box, that would be an ideal place to run those services that could greatly enhance your use of your upstream bandwidth. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 11 15:46:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C00E16A4B3 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.knology.net (smtp2.knology.net [24.214.63.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D04743FAF for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:45:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@HiWAAY.net) Received: (qmail 10603 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 22:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO user-24-214-34-52.knology.net) (24.214.34.52) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 22:45:54 -0000 From: David Kelly To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:45:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20031011212201.GA67228@bishop.my.domain> In-Reply-To: <20031011212201.GA67228@bishop.my.domain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310111745.56278.dkelly@HiWAAY.net> Subject: Re: General Wireless Network Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:46:00 -0000 On Saturday 11 October 2003 04:22 pm, Greg Pavelcak wrote: > Well, I've done some online searching and got some helpful stuff > from FreeBSD mail archives, but I would just like to double check a > couple of things. > > In the wireless world, I don't understand an access point. Right > now, we have Comcast cable internet, a 4 port router, and a few > computers all wired, and all with access to the internet. Am I right > in thinking that I can just replace the current router with a > wireless router, get some wireless network cards, and get the same > results? That is the idea. However I fail to understand why you would want to do this if you already have wires in place. Wired connections are faster, more reliable, more secure, and cheaper. Especially cheaper when you already have wires paid for. What you might want to do is suppliment your network with an Access Point for a laptop. If you add-on rather than replace the router then when wireless is not active then you can simply turn that box off. Some find it entertaining to surf the streets with a laptop looking for access points. Once found its not hard to get in if only WEP is used. I have the hardware but have not enabled wireless here until I find/make the time to enforce IPsec over that link. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 11 20:39:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E7F16A4B3 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0C343F75 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:39:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.75]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:41:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3F88CCC1.20909@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:38:41 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030920 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kelly References: <20031011212201.GA67228@bishop.my.domain> <200310111745.56278.dkelly@HiWAAY.net> In-Reply-To: <200310111745.56278.dkelly@HiWAAY.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2003 03:41:47.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[C33E3010:01C39072] cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: General Wireless Network Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:39:17 -0000 David Kelly wrote: >Some find it entertaining to surf the streets with a laptop looking for >access points. Once found its not hard to get in if only WEP is used. I >have the hardware but have not enabled wireless here until I find/make >the time to enforce IPsec over that link. > > > Yeah, wise though. "Wardriving"? Watch out for marks on the pavement! I guess all those guys run Linux? /me ducks and runs... Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P.