From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 28 08:51:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9C33A1CFB for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:51:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BG9QJ2Bmmz44vL for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from bell.riseup.net (bell-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BG9QG46WhzFdqQ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 01:51:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1595926294; bh=GzbD0d2ih8H6e1FpEqvjl7ApewE4ZWe+Jc9n8xe0Xc0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=lEHacZbviwhfuPKwNZzBm6eo2oUhSNbvDQdlejGPKhIpk9yL+VIF8S6c33S2ZfSCZ /a3zK7p1esErUtDv85Mn7tEninfcKUrr45D0vZDh0X39c7cR7zZOk9HPIzOu5hQNzB IX9Hg1CgRzMF8lx5xJvjv0ZaUJ7m2+80gYsh1Uxk= X-Riseup-User-ID: EA7B0487615A3A43E5ECC76F85E16AA354B33ABBE627756C9FB334BB76A9B6BF Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bell.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BG9QF4mcwzJpxB; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 01:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 10:51:22 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200728105122.3ab2f243@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200728012942.2157eb85.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200726165212.a0ac28ce104b9dfd009cc4c5@sohara.org> <20200727025242.GA48950@admin.sibptus.ru> <04bb7095-3e62-22d7-9db7-cfba3c66247b@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200727063036.31316d93@scorpio.seibercom.net> <20200727082427.3dd26eeb@scorpio.seibercom.net> <20200727121736.4f95993e@scorpio.seibercom.net> <20200727153926.2c8bbfc3@scorpio.seibercom.net> <20200728012942.2157eb85.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BG9QJ2Bmmz44vL X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=lEHacZbv; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.65 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.023]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.003]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.03)[-1.026]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:51:37 -0000 It's naive to expect that modern (2020) desktop environments are just sort of a helper to get consistent themes and fonts and a set of utilities such as calculators, terminals and a 2048 game. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_desktop#Standardization_effort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(software) I'm using a plain window manager (openbox) and no desktop environment at all. I never experienced any modern (2020) desktop environment that is not a PITA on any operating system. On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 01:29:42 +0200, Polytropon wrote: >Having two physically separated fully equipped systems can >be an advantage Two-factor authentication was invented to enforce everybody to at least own two physically separated fully equipped systems from each vendor. To unlock your Foo washing machine, you need a Foo dishwasher and vice versa. To unlock your Bar telephone you need a Bar computer and vice versa. To unlock optimized KDE performance and all KDE features on a FreeBSD computer, you need a Linux computer also running KDE and vice versa. See "Contents 1.4 - Authentication" https://community.kde.org/Promo/Guidance/Specific_KDE_Technology/Semantik_Desktop#Authentication_to_unlock_KDE_performance_optimization_and_all_KDE_features