From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 4 01:39:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF96216A41A for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 01:39:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john_m_cooper@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp108.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp108.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.52.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 876AE13C45B for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 01:39:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john_m_cooper@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90021 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2007 01:12:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rFJwCdz31Md1C2Yxkn3DMn7+NxTex0j39Lf0VWgQQbACR1H2nlUTs77XW/TWuUp6vEUNaBfIee6S48nftzfuumX76HgJpJEPtaL2+O3y843hpfKDFg6NwsYyFhxk3G20VOXj65hm14VG30EX1SzbhzwVvL0HobzyOuB+cq/LihE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO borgdemon2.resnet.wsu.edu) (j.m.cooper@borgsdemons.com@134.121.241.227 with login) by smtp108.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2007 01:12:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Y.M2TawVM1kFc5wvVo.Yi5L7USSpJIhk.oDI6J4sX7l6k9fajZw5ITg_kik_6vrd0pctbu7_Pg-- Received: from borgdemon2.resnet.wsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by borgdemon2.resnet.wsu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6B65C45; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46B3D27F.10603@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:12:31 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4pre (X11/20070707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jo Rhett References: <46B1AC75.9060907@FreeBSD.org> <2FB74E09-4C74-4653-A2EE-B88F9F1C08C6@svcolo.com> In-Reply-To: <2FB74E09-4C74-4653-A2EE-B88F9F1C08C6@svcolo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Stable , Doug Barton Subject: Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:39:20 -0000 Jo Rhett wrote: > On Aug 3, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >> I'm getting tired of repeating this. A lot of really smart people are >> lined up on BOTH sides of this issue. You might want to take another >> look at the threads about this on the OARC list (or even this list for >> that matter) and try to have an open mind. Repeating "this is a bad >> idea" over and over again doesn't make it more true. > > No, they aren't. I'm actually quite amazed at your resistance to > hearing what is being said. > > Several people (not "a lot") think that slaving the root zone makes some > good operational sense in specific scenarios. One person thought that > the world would be a better place if it were operationally possible. > > NOBODY thinks that this will work in the real world, today, in a stable > manner. > > NOBODY thinks that having *every* home user slaving the root makes good > sense, even if it was operationally possible. > > And NOBODY thinks that "just doing it without asking first" was a good > way to handle it. > > I'm really not sure why I wasted the keystrokes to write this, because > you've been consistently willing to ignore pretty much everything said > to you so far. I guess I'm just praying that perhaps, just maybe, this > time you'll start paying attention. > I would appreciate it if the personal attacks ceased. As an observer with no ax to grind on this issue, it is apparent that slaving the root zone is technically possible, but not necessarily good policy. It would be nice if those arguing against slaving the root zone would articulate the specific effects on top-tier servers and quantify them. As it is, this thread is painful to read because of the dross-to-substance ratio being rather high. jmc