From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 11 21:34:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BE4106566B for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB2D8FC13 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A466D41B; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D3A7284503; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:34:02 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: sthaug@nethelp.no References: <20091111101207.GF64905@hoeg.nl> <200911112031.43685.mel.flynn+fbsd.current@mailing.thruhere.net> <86fx8kolak.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20091111.215617.74746990.sthaug@nethelp.no> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:34:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20091111.215617.74746990.sthaug@nethelp.no> (sthaug@nethelp.no's message of "Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:56:17 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <86639goiet.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: mel.flynn+fbsd.current@mailing.thruhere.net, ed@80386.nl, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Final call for testers: TERM=xterm X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:34:04 -0000 sthaug@nethelp.no writes: > That may be so. However, I (like others on this list) hate that feature > and its default usage in Linux with a passion. I don't understand why you are blaming Linux for this. It's an xterm feature that probably goes back twenty years or more (xterm turned 25 a few months ago). We're not talking just xterm, either; searching for "ti=3D" in /etc/termcap reveals that it was available on dozens of terminals, including several IBM and TekTronix models, just to drop a couple of big names. Modern Unix was built on the "mechanism, not policy" principle, and there is no reason why we should make an exception in this particular instance. If our termcap hadn't been intentionally sabotaged, those who hate this feature (as I used to) could easily turn it off, but as things stand, those who like it (as I do now) can't easily turn it back on, especially if they work in mixed environments. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no