From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jun 28 23:10:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13661 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:10:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nostromo.netdev.net (nostromo.netdev.net [62.160.67.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13656 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elrond@phoe.netdev.net) Received: from phoe.netdev.net (phoe.netdev.net [62.160.67.1]) by nostromo.netdev.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/nostromo-1.0004) with ESMTP id IAA03302; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:08:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from elrond@localhost) by phoe.netdev.net (8.8.5/8.8.8/phoe-1.0009) id IAA05857; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:08:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980629080822.17491@phoe.netdev.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:08:22 +0200 From: Bertrand Petit To: Marc Nicholas Cc: "Christopher G. Petrilli" , Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Marc Nicholas on Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 04:40:49PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 04:40:49PM -0400, Marc Nicholas wrote: > So either grab a motherboard with DiskOnChip support or use a flash drive > with an IDE or SCSI interface. Flash SCSI! Do such beasts exist? I'm really fond of SCI, it would be really interesting to play with this. -- %!PS Il n'y a pas de mauvaises reponses, il n'y a que de mauvaises questions /D{def}def/i{index}D/s{sub}D/r{rlineto}D/c{scalefont}D/f{setfont}D/m{moveto}D {100 3 700{100 3 500{1 i 100 s 700 exch s 700 div 1 i 100 s 700 exch s 700 div 0 setrgbcolor 1 i m 3 0 r 0 3 r -3 0 r closepath fill}for pop}for}bind exec 0 setgray /Times-Roman findfont 72 c f 100 160 m (Bertrand Petit) show currentfont .73 c f 100 110 m (elrond@netdev.net) show showpage To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 00:03:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19621 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from belzebub.net-gw.com (bulzebub.net-gw.com [202.185.254.12] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA19616 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:03:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: from broker.alphaque.com (j17.jrc4.jaring.my [161.142.112.31]) by belzebub.net-gw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA22802 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:02:58 +0800 Received: (from dinesh@localhost) by broker.alphaque.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00647; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:02:29 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:02:29 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair X-Sender: dinesh@broker To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: picobsd on 386 (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG received the following from a picobsd tester here in malaysia. could anybody duplicate what colin has done here ? it failed with an out of swap error when i tried it on a 486 w/ 4MB. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:40:28 +8000 From: Colin Charles To: dinesh@alphaque.com Subject: picobsd on 386 i ran succesfully, picobsd with a 386 comes with 4mb ram. yes, 4mb made a 14.4 connection to the net too. so, the minimum requirements can be lowered. and about the usd200 NC, any more info? ==>"If you're a dog hater, hell freezes over"<== Colin Charles, colin@troubled.hypermart.net http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Thinktank/1212/ http://members.xoom.com/troubled/ -- COMPUTERS!!! Let's exercise FREE SPEECH & INFORMATION on the NET and off . Hiroshima '45 Chernobyl '86 Windows '95 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 00:25:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22725 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:25:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xyplex.com (xap.xyplex.com [140.179.130.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22719 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dpennell@xyplex.com) Received: from ltnsvex2.xyplex.com (east.xyplex.com [140.179.176.22]) by xyplex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA15492; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DPENNELL by ltnsvex2.xyplex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1460.8) id K00JN0Y8; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:28:11 -0400 Message-ID: <003701bda32e$59239850$27b6b38c@david.pennell.org> From: "David Pennell" To: "Bertrand Petit" , "Marc Nicholas" Cc: "Christopher G. Petrilli" , "Andrzej Bialecki" , Subject: Re: I'm back. Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:20:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Flash SCSI! Do such beasts exist? > M-Systems http://www.m-sys.com/ makes IDE, SCSI, DiskOnChip, etc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 01:59:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05894 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:59:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA05887 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25706; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:01:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:01:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Dinesh Nair cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd on 386 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Dinesh Nair wrote: > > received the following from a picobsd tester here in malaysia. could > anybody duplicate what colin has done here ? it failed with an out of > swap error when i tried it on a 486 w/ 4MB. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:40:28 +8000 > From: Colin Charles > To: dinesh@alphaque.com > Subject: picobsd on 386 > > i ran succesfully, picobsd with a 386 comes with 4mb ram. > > yes, 4mb made a 14.4 connection to the net too. > > so, the minimum requirements can be lowered. Which version was it? 2.2.5 or 3.0 -based? This is significant (and it can be either way - 3.0 is bigger, but uses some special sysctls to better handle lack of swap)... BTW, if anyone has free programming power at hand :-) he could write 2-3 programs that replace netstat and systat - it's now easy in 3.0, using sysctl, just like 'vm' proggy in PicoBSD does... It's an easy thing (retrieve the structs and display them with appropriate printfs), so you can contribute to the project even if you're not so experienced a programmer... Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 02:06:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06837 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA06803 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:05:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26633; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:08:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:08:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Martin Kammerhofer cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, Martin Kammerhofer Subject: Re: kernel symbols (was: netstat is not working) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 14 Jun 1998, Martin Kammerhofer wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Ekaterina N. Ivannikova wrote: > > > Ok, it seems the way to go would be to make dumpnlist dump addresses > > netstat needs, then change it to read the file "symbols". > > > One thing I didn't copy from FreeBSD's ``release'' source tree is that > ugly ``symbols'' hack. I devised a way to avoid this duplication of > functionality and will present it here in the hope it might be useful for > PicoBSD developers. It must be said though, that my approach would need > reworking for a ELF kernel. It looks interesting, and if I knew it 3-4 months ago I'd go this way. But now... The ugly hack is not to make netstat and ps happy but to save the changes from userconfig, and this works with (I think) minimal overhead. As for the netstat & co. - 3.0-really-current includes enough framwork to retrieve this data via sysctl's - one just needs to write the (small) utilities to do this. Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 03:08:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA15402 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from belzebub.net-gw.com (bulzebub.net-gw.com [202.185.254.12] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA15390 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:08:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: from broker.alphaque.com (j19.jrc21.jaring.my [161.142.111.213]) by belzebub.net-gw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA23602; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:07:57 +0800 Received: (from dinesh@localhost) by broker.alphaque.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00455; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:46:50 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:46:49 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair X-Sender: dinesh@broker To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd on 386 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Which version was it? 2.2.5 or 3.0 -based? This is significant (and it can 2.2.5. Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." dinesh@alphaque.com (0 0) +=======================----oOO--(_)--OOo----=========================+ |for a in past present future; do | | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."| |done; done | +=====================================================================+ http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0x230096E9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 04:49:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01089 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 04:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA01064 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 04:49:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11463; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:52:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:52:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Dinesh Nair cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd on 386 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Dinesh Nair wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > Which version was it? 2.2.5 or 3.0 -based? This is significant (and it can > > 2.2.5. Ok. What does it say when sizing available memory chunks (in both cases)i right after uncompressing the kernel? Perhaps also booting with -v would help. It also might be that he did everything on one console (less processes running), run ppp in background and moved very carefully all the time, etc... Anyway, I must admit it surprises me a bit :-) I thought it would take significant amount of hacking to achieve this, and it seems we're that close -><-. I put much hope in writing custom init(8), and getting rid of the shell - instead writing specialized UI. This could fly in 4MB... Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 06:07:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10110 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:07:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10100 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16085; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:07:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Bertrand Petit cc: "Christopher G. Petrilli" , Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: <19980629080822.17491@phoe.netdev.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Bertrand Petit wrote: > > So either grab a motherboard with DiskOnChip support or use a flash drive > > with an IDE or SCSI interface. > > Flash SCSI! Do such beasts exist? > > I'm really fond of SCI, it would be really interesting to play > with this. Yup, they exist. M-Systems makes one and there's another vendor (who's name escapes me right now) that makes SCSI flash and SCSI SRAM drives as its core business. They're HORRIBLY expensive... -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 06:12:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11142 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11085 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:12:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16137; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:12:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: Dinesh Nair , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd on 386 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Anyway, I must admit it surprises me a bit :-) I thought it would take > significant amount of hacking to achieve this, and it seems we're that > close -><-. I put much hope in writing custom init(8), and getting rid of > the shell - instead writing specialized UI. This could fly in 4MB... I'd probably be willing to donate some resources to hacking-out a specialized init as my application really doesn't need a shell either. -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 09:26:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14766 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14671 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA17486 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tiny webserver Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi folks... I needed a tiny webserver for our PicoBSD implementation and ported some code written by a couple of Russian guys. Is there any interest in this code or including it on a PicoBSD distribution? Maybe we could start compiling a PicoBSD 'ports' or 'contrib' collection? -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 09:32:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15914 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:32:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15877 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00496; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806291631.JAA00496@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Marc Nicholas cc: Bertrand Petit , "Christopher G. Petrilli" , Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:07:05 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:31:04 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Bertrand Petit wrote: > > > > So either grab a motherboard with DiskOnChip support or use a flash drive > > > with an IDE or SCSI interface. > > > > Flash SCSI! Do such beasts exist? > > > > I'm really fond of SCI, it would be really interesting to play > > with this. > > Yup, they exist. M-Systems makes one and there's another vendor (who's > name escapes me right now) that makes SCSI flash and SCSI SRAM drives as > its core business. > > They're HORRIBLY expensive... Industrial Computer Source do a battery-backed SCSI DRAM disk that takes up to 256MB in standard 72-pin SIMMS. 5.25" HH form factor, US$1695.00 empty, 7 hours backup That's pretty rough, but they also have the M-systems SCSI flash units. To put some perspective on "HORRIBLY", list price for the 896MB M-systems flash SCSI disk from ICS is $21955.00 (not a typo, that is eight hundred and ninety-six megabytes for twenty-one thousand nine hundred and fifty-five dollars). Bottom of the range is the 16MB unit for a mere $1085.00 -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 09:34:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16292 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:34:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16229 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:34:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00514; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806291632.JAA00514@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Marc Nicholas cc: Andrzej Bialecki , Dinesh Nair , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd on 386 (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:12:02 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:32:52 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > Anyway, I must admit it surprises me a bit :-) I thought it would take > > significant amount of hacking to achieve this, and it seems we're that > > close -><-. I put much hope in writing custom init(8), and getting rid of > > the shell - instead writing specialized UI. This could fly in 4MB... > > I'd probably be willing to donate some resources to hacking-out a > specialized init as my application really doesn't need a shell either. You might want to look at what the GnatBox folks have done (www.gnatbox.com), as this is probably a long way towards what you're looking at. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 09:36:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16989 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:36:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16968 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:36:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA17546; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:35:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Mike Smith cc: Bertrand Petit , "Christopher G. Petrilli" , Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: <199806291631.JAA00496@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > Industrial Computer Source do a battery-backed SCSI DRAM disk that > takes up to 256MB in standard 72-pin SIMMS. 5.25" HH form factor, > US$1695.00 empty, 7 hours backup That's kinda neat. URL? -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 09:46:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18860 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:46:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18818 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00591; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806291644.JAA00591@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Marc Nicholas cc: Mike Smith , Bertrand Petit , "Christopher G. Petrilli" , Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:35:33 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:44:14 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Industrial Computer Source do a battery-backed SCSI DRAM disk that > > takes up to 256MB in standard 72-pin SIMMS. 5.25" HH form factor, > > US$1695.00 empty, 7 hours backup > > That's kinda neat. URL? http://www.indcompsrc.com/ They don't have the SSD in their online catalog; I got the pricing out of their Master Sourcebook, 1998 Edition 2. The part number for the bare unit is PCSSD-0; "includes battery, on-board charger, no DRAM". -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 11:50:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13127 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:50:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12960 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:50:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA03444; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:53:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:53:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > Hi folks... > > I needed a tiny webserver for our PicoBSD implementation and ported some > code written by a couple of Russian guys. Most cool!!! I thought about something like this, but vouldn't find any code to start with... > Is there any interest in this code or including it on a PicoBSD > distribution? Definitely! > Maybe we could start compiling a PicoBSD 'ports' or > 'contrib' collection? Yes, there should be something like this - there are already some programs unique to picobsd, and as I wrote in other mail, we should write at least 2 more (easy ones - hint, hint... ;-). Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 11:56:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14457 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:56:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14311 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:55:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04254; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:56:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:56:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Mike Smith cc: Marc Nicholas , Dinesh Nair , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd on 386 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199806291632.JAA00514@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > > > Anyway, I must admit it surprises me a bit :-) I thought it would take > > > significant amount of hacking to achieve this, and it seems we're that > > > close -><-. I put much hope in writing custom init(8), and getting rid of > > > the shell - instead writing specialized UI. This could fly in 4MB... > > > > I'd probably be willing to donate some resources to hacking-out a > > specialized init as my application really doesn't need a shell either. > > You might want to look at what the GnatBox folks have done > (www.gnatbox.com), as this is probably a long way towards what you're > looking at. Yes, I saw their product, and it's neat. But it doesn't mean that developing picobsd isn't a goal worth to pursue ... :-) Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 13:17:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29735 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:17:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freeby.mesanet.com (mesa.dial.idiom.com [209.157.70.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29637 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:16:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcw@mesanet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freeby.mesanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA21063; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcw@mesanet.com) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Wallace To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > Hi folks... > > I needed a tiny webserver for our PicoBSD implementation and ported some > code written by a couple of Russian guys. > > Is there any interest in this code or including it on a PicoBSD > distribution? Maybe we could start compiling a PicoBSD 'ports' or > 'contrib' collection? > I'd certainly be interested. Embedded Web servers are starting to be the interface of choice for 'headless' intstrument and controller applications... Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics > -marc > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" > vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 13:18:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29943 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:18:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from the.oneinsane.net (insane@gw.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29862 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from insane@the.oneinsane.net) Received: (from insane@localhost) by the.oneinsane.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA12829; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980629131750.A12793@oneinsane.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:17:50 -0700 From: "Ron 'The Insane One' Rosson" To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrzej Bialecki on Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 08:53:13PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD the.oneinsane.net 2.2.6-STABLE X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am deffinately interested in testing and using anything that comes up. I can network, just can't program Ron On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 08:53:13PM +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > > > Hi folks... > > > > I needed a tiny webserver for our PicoBSD implementation and ported some > > code written by a couple of Russian guys. > > Most cool!!! I thought about something like this, but vouldn't find any > code to start with... > > > Is there any interest in this code or including it on a PicoBSD > > distribution? > > Definitely! > > > Maybe we could start compiling a PicoBSD 'ports' or > > 'contrib' collection? > > Yes, there should be something like this - there are already some programs > unique to picobsd, and as I wrote in other mail, we should write at least > 2 more (easy ones - hint, hint... ;-). > > Andrzej Bialecki -- -------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was null and void -------------------------------------------------------- It's so nice to be insane, nobody asks you to explain. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 13:54:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07453 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:54:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07374 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA19495; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:53:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas Reply-To: Marc Nicholas To: Peter Wallace cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Peter Wallace wrote: > > Is there any interest in this code or including it on a PicoBSD > > distribution? Maybe we could start compiling a PicoBSD 'ports' or > > 'contrib' collection? > > > I'd certainly be interested. Embedded Web servers are starting to > be the interface of choice for 'headless' intstrument and controller > applications... Well, things brings up the question of how/where should I put the code to make it available to folks...soooo...another question. There are currently two PicoBSD websites...if I were to provide web/FTP hosting space would the authors like to merge everything into one site? I think it may be easier to distribute "ports" and "contrib" code that way. Just a thought...flame me if desireable :-) -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 19:51:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09209 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:51:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rachel.glenatl.glenayre.com (mail.glenatl.glenayre.com [157.230.160.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA09191 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:51:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerry_hicks@bigfoot.com) Received: from bigfoot.com by rachel.glenatl.glenayre.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA23457; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:45:03 -0400 Message-ID: <359851FE.CAD568C5@bigfoot.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:48:30 -0400 From: Jerry Hicks Reply-To: jerry_hicks@bigfoot.com Organization: TerraEarth X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: picoBSD and -STABLE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone been successful in building a FleaBSD (hee hee) from -STABLE sources? Or should I ask: is the current approach to generating picoBSD-2.2.5 too intertwined with RELEASE-2.2.5 to make this feasible without major overhaul? (Our RELEASE-2.2.5 boxes are long gone). I seem to have gotten pretty close simply by removing lynx from the dial configuration. It boots with a few diagnostic messages from the startup script; trying to run `fsck' on wd0s1a (!) I would like to come up with a totally hard-diskless kernel, but don't know how to do that using config(8). When we finally get to the prompt, things -seem- functional. Haven't tested much though or tried anything with the other configurations. Cheers, Jerry Hicks jhicks@glenatl.glenayre.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 23:36:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12996 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:36:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from belzebub.net-gw.com (bulzebub.net-gw.com [202.185.254.12] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA12962 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:35:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: from broker.alphaque.com (j28.brf73.jaring.my [161.142.173.102]) by belzebub.net-gw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA28415; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:35:37 +0800 Received: (from dinesh@localhost) by broker.alphaque.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00538; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:56:36 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:56:36 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair X-Sender: dinesh@broker To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > I needed a tiny webserver for our PicoBSD implementation and ported some > code written by a couple of Russian guys. pass it over and i shall try. > Is there any interest in this code or including it on a PicoBSD > distribution? Maybe we could start compiling a PicoBSD 'ports' or > 'contrib' collection? hmm..... Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." dinesh@alphaque.com (0 0) +=======================----oOO--(_)--OOo----=========================+ |for a in past present future; do | | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."| |done; done | +=====================================================================+ http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0x230096E9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 29 23:36:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13024 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:36:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from belzebub.net-gw.com (bulzebub.net-gw.com [202.185.254.12] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA12975 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:35:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: from broker.alphaque.com (j28.brf73.jaring.my [161.142.173.102]) by belzebub.net-gw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA28418; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:35:51 +0800 Received: (from dinesh@localhost) by broker.alphaque.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00582; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:15:04 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:15:03 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair X-Sender: dinesh@broker To: Jerry Hicks cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picoBSD and -STABLE In-Reply-To: <359851FE.CAD568C5@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Jerry Hicks wrote: > Or should I ask: is the current approach to generating picoBSD-2.2.5 too > intertwined with RELEASE-2.2.5 to make this feasible without major > overhaul? (Our RELEASE-2.2.5 boxes are long gone). it is intertwined. building the same scripts on 2.2.6 would need some changes, as i recently discovered. > I seem to have gotten pretty close simply by removing lynx from the dial > configuration. It boots with a few diagnostic messages from the startup > script; trying to run `fsck' on wd0s1a (!) sure you didnt change anything is /etc/fstab ? Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." dinesh@alphaque.com (0 0) +=======================----oOO--(_)--OOo----=========================+ |for a in past present future; do | | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."| |done; done | +=====================================================================+ http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0x230096E9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 00:19:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19990 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:19:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cnct.com (jose@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA19958 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jose@cnct.com) From: jose@cnct.com Received: from localhost (jose@localhost) by cnct.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA08147; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:22:15 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: Marc Nicholas , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I needed a tiny webserver for our PicoBSD implementation and ported some > > code written by a couple of Russian guys. > > Most cool!!! I thought about something like this, but vouldn't find any > code to start with... > > > Is there any interest in this code or including it on a PicoBSD > > distribution? > > Definitely! > speaking of small httpd's, has anyone looked into boa? my only experiences with the server was toying with the dos port, but it was fast and lean iirc... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 02:43:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13855 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:43:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA13842 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01221; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:45:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:45:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Dinesh Nair cc: Marc Nicholas , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Dinesh Nair wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > > > I needed a tiny webserver for our PicoBSD implementation and ported some > > code written by a couple of Russian guys. > > pass it over and i shall try. me too, me too... :-) > > > Is there any interest in this code or including it on a PicoBSD > > distribution? Maybe we could start compiling a PicoBSD 'ports' or > > 'contrib' collection? > > hmm..... I have no doubt there is a need for this, do you? Thus far they were located in /tools (in picobsd scripts hierachy), and there are already some programs there which are not "tools" strictly speaking, i.e. they are not used as tools in building the floppy. We need some programs which are tiny counterparts of the real stuff from normal FreeBSD, and we need some special ones which serve unique purpose for picobsd only. There are already some, and yesterday I begun working on init/login and netstat replacements (init is almost done - it was far easier than I expected). If their number is sufficient, we could ask the powers that be to start a new category under /ports/ themselves... Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 03:28:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20776 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20771 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:28:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA13820; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:31:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:31:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: jose@cnct.com cc: Marc Nicholas , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 jose@cnct.com wrote: > > > > > I needed a tiny webserver for our PicoBSD implementation and ported some > > > code written by a couple of Russian guys. > > > > Most cool!!! I thought about something like this, but vouldn't find any > > code to start with... > > > > > Is there any interest in this code or including it on a PicoBSD > > > distribution? > > > > Definitely! > > > > speaking of small httpd's, has anyone looked into boa? > > my only experiences with the server was toying with the dos port, but it > was fast and lean iirc... I haven't seen Marc's code yet, but boa is small indeed - 60kB executable, nonforking (which is very important in low mem). Its only deficiency is GPL... Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 05:27:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10551 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adinet.com.uy (suncueva.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA10525 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ang@adinet.com.uy) Received: from angelo by adinet.com.uy (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA25226; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:17:55 +0300 Message-ID: <3598DA97.609ED5D7@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:31:19 -0300 From: Angelo Nardone X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Nicholas CC: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Off coures I am intresting. I can test and code. Please let me know when you will ready. By Angelo Marc Nicholas wrote: > Hi folks... > > I needed a tiny webserver for our PicoBSD implementation and ported > some > code written by a couple of Russian guys. > > Is there any interest in this code or including it on a PicoBSD > distribution? Maybe we could start compiling a PicoBSD 'ports' or > 'contrib' collection? > > -marc > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" > vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 06:12:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16769 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:12:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp-01.neosoft.com (smtp-01.neosoft.com [206.109.1.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA16731 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:11:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@NeoSoft.com) Received: (qmail 3213 invoked by uid 101); 30 Jun 1998 13:11:51 -0000 Received: from pluto.ops.neosoft.com (root@206.109.4.23) by smtp-01.neosoft.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 13:11:51 -0000 Received: from roadtrip.ops.neosoft.com (roadtrip.ops.neoSoft.com [206.109.5.76]) by pluto.ops.NeoSoft.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA13313; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:11:50 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: From: "Karl Lehenbauer" To: "Andrzej Bialecki" , "Dinesh Nair" Cc: "Marc Nicholas" , Subject: RE: Tiny webserver Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:11:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bda452$7ceca900$4c056dce@roadtrip.ops.neosoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You guys might also have a look at thttpd, the tiny, turbo, throttling, httpd server, written by Jef Poskanzer. http://www.acme.com It's freely redistributable, fairly popular (~50,000 sites on the Netcraft survey (http://www.netcraft.co.uk)) The stripped, shared-library-linked executable is ~45 Kbytes. Karl Memories of you... remind me of you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 06:55:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24966 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:55:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24911 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:55:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jds@bacardi.torrentnet.com) Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (localhost.torrentnet.com [127.0.0.1]) by torrentnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19504 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806301355.JAA19504@torrentnet.com> To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:55:11 -0400 From: James da Silva Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How about thhtpd, by the venerable free-software-guy Jeff Poskanzer? It's got a BSD style copyright, and compiles right out of the box on FreeBSD. It purports to be small, fast, and secure. It's definitely small, but I haven't tested the last two assertions. [guarana 31] size thttpd text data bss dec hex 40960 4096 1820 46876 b71c Can't beat that. URL: http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd Jaime ........................................................................... : James da Silva : Stand on my shoulders, : : Torrent Networking Technologies Corp. : not on my toes. : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 07:34:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29980 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:34:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29969 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:34:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from agni@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from dose (160.45.233.89) with smtp id ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:34:41 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980630163129.0093a210@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-Sender: agni@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:31:29 +0200 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG From: Gerd Truschinski Subject: FTP - Server with ZIP an Floppy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, I want to build a small box which serves as a FTP server for diskless X-Terminals. I.e. people insert a floppy disk or a ZIP medium in the box, logon via FTP and read/write their files. Then they take their disks away. They could NOT logon via telnet nor is there any keyboard at the ftp-box. Is it possible to write to a disk 'without' mounting the file system each time? Is there something like 'mount volatile'? To make it clear, I don't want to have any useraction like 'mount -t msdos'. Should I stay with KA9Q and DOS because this is not possible with FreeBSD. /gT/ -- Gerd Truschinski | Yes, this is the sort of scenario I Freie Universitaet Berlin | think up to amuse myself in the evenings. ZEDAT | -- with confirmation from Larisa -------- Taku Str. 9, Raum 020 Phone: +49 30 838 75 500 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 07:44:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01487 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:44:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dworkin.amber.org (petrilli@dworkin.amber.org [209.31.146.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01469 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from petrilli@dworkin.amber.org) Received: from localhost (petrilli@localhost) by dworkin.amber.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA13089; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:43:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher G. Petrilli" To: Gerd Truschinski cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FTP - Server with ZIP an Floppy In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980630163129.0093a210@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Gerd Truschinski wrote: > Is it possible to write to a disk 'without' mounting the file > system each time? Is there something like 'mount volatile'? > To make it clear, I don't want to have any useraction like > 'mount -t msdos'. > > Should I stay with KA9Q and DOS because this is not > possible with FreeBSD. I can't speak to ATAPI/IDE devices, but it is possible (at least according to my rusty memory of writing SCSI drivers in the early 90s) for the SCSI device to send a command block to the host to tell it that it's eject button has been pressed. You just need to bubble this up the driver chain. It would, however require some interlocking---no FTP sessions when you eject it, etc. If you'd like, I can dig out my SCSI command references and find the information. Chris -- | Christopher Petrilli | petrilli@amber.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 07:53:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02606 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:53:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02592 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:52:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24809; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:55:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:55:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: TinyWare page (Re: Tiny webserver) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > Is there any interest in this code or including it on a PicoBSD > distribution? Maybe we could start compiling a PicoBSD 'ports' or > 'contrib' collection? I started a page with appropriate links on it. See: http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/tinyware.html Please send me any pointers which you think should be included there. Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 08:59:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13424 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:59:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bb.cc.wa.us (chris@bb.cc.wa.us [134.39.181.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13418 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:59:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA20666; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:53:47 GMT Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Floppy Disk X Server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Where are we at in regards to X on a Floppy? Does it have a Web page? Who is on the project? Do we have a CVS repository for PicoBSD? Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 09:05:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14750 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:05:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14724 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:05:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26761; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:05:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: James da Silva cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver In-Reply-To: <199806301355.JAA19504@torrentnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, James da Silva wrote: > How about thhtpd, by the venerable free-software-guy Jeff Poskanzer? It's > got a BSD style copyright, and compiles right out of the box on FreeBSD. > It purports to be small, fast, and secure. It's definitely small, but I > haven't tested the last two assertions. > > [guarana 31] size thttpd > text data bss dec hex > 40960 4096 1820 46876 b71c > > Can't beat that. 113 ~>size simple_httpd text data bss dec hex 12288 4096 0 16384 4000 114 ~> Oh, I don't know about that ;-) Very small, very simple, very free...(and very limited functionality) http://www.hippocampus.net/~marc/simple_httpd.c -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 09:36:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18923 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:36:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18917 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jds@bacardi.torrentnet.com) Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (localhost.torrentnet.com [127.0.0.1]) by torrentnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00345; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806301636.MAA00345@torrentnet.com> To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:36:06 -0400 From: James da Silva Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Can't beat that. > Oh, I don't know about that ;-) I was hoping someone would contradict me! Jaime ........................................................................... : James da Silva : Stand on my shoulders, : : Torrent Networking Technologies Corp. : not on my toes. : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 10:28:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26817 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:28:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26733 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:28:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06751; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806301727.KAA06751@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Gerd Truschinski cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FTP - Server with ZIP an Floppy In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:31:29 +0200." <3.0.5.32.19980630163129.0093a210@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:27:51 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi there, > > I want to build a small box which serves as a FTP server > for diskless X-Terminals. I.e. people insert a floppy disk > or a ZIP medium in the box, logon via FTP and read/write their > files. Then they take their disks away. They could NOT logon > via telnet nor is there any keyboard at the ftp-box. > > Is it possible to write to a disk 'without' mounting the file > system each time? Is there something like 'mount volatile'? > To make it clear, I don't want to have any useraction like > 'mount -t msdos'. > > Should I stay with KA9Q and DOS because this is not > possible with FreeBSD. If you want to use the DOS format, look at 'mtools'. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 10:40:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29283 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dworkin.amber.org (petrilli@dworkin.amber.org [209.31.146.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29206 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from petrilli@dworkin.amber.org) Received: from localhost (petrilli@localhost) by dworkin.amber.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA15734; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:39:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher G. Petrilli" To: Mike Smith cc: Gerd Truschinski , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FTP - Server with ZIP an Floppy In-Reply-To: <199806301727.KAA06751@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > If you want to use the DOS format, look at 'mtools'. It hadn't occured to me, but this is a great "work-around". If you can modify the FTp server to talk to the disk using mtools rather than a regular file system, you never have to mount it, so you never have to worry about eject, etc :-) Ah the joys of people who look for the easy solution! :-) Sometimes I overcomplicate :-) Chris -- | Christopher Petrilli | petrilli@amber.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 11:29:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08662 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rachel.glenatl.glenayre.com (mail.glenatl.glenayre.com [157.230.160.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08638 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:29:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhicks@glenatl.glenayre.com) Received: from jhicks.glenatl.glenayre.com by rachel.glenatl.glenayre.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA06279; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:23:03 -0400 Received: from jhicks.glenatl.glenayre.com (localhost.glenatl.glenayre.com [127.0.0.1]) by jhicks.glenatl.glenayre.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11410; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806301822.OAA11410@jhicks.glenatl.glenayre.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Dinesh Nair cc: Jerry Hicks , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picoBSD and -STABLE In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:15:03 +0800." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:22:54 -0400 From: Jerry Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Jerry Hicks wrote: > > > Or should I ask: is the current approach to generating picoBSD-2.2.5 too > > intertwined with RELEASE-2.2.5 to make this feasible without major > > overhaul? (Our RELEASE-2.2.5 boxes are long gone). > > it is intertwined. building the same scripts on 2.2.6 would need some > changes, as i recently discovered. But not too badly... I managed to come up with a working picoBSD after some really *ugly* post-midnight hackery :-) > > I seem to have gotten pretty close simply by removing lynx from the dial > > configuration. It boots with a few diagnostic messages from the startup > > script; trying to run `fsck' on wd0s1a (!) > > sure you didnt change anything is /etc/fstab ? Yeah... think so. I shouldn't try to do configuration so late at night. Our application doesn't need disk access so I pulled it out (/dev/wdX) I left the kernel config line referencing wd0 and added the MFS_AUTOLOAD directive. I'll get this cleaned up and email the diffs. Tastes great... Less filling Thanks, Jerry Hicks jhicks@glenatl.glenayre.com > > Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." > dinesh@alphaque.com (0 0) > +=======================----oOO--(_)--OOo----=========================+ > |for a in past present future; do | > | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | > | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."| > |done; done | > +=====================================================================+ > http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0x230096E9 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 30 13:03:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23712 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:03:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23689 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:03:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA18273; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:06:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:06:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Chris Coleman cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Floppy Disk X Server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Chris Coleman wrote: > Where are we at in regards to X on a Floppy? IMO it can't be done. Not with XFree. Period. What I did manage was to put another GUI system, and it works, but it's rather primitive... You can get a copy from http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/preview/preview2.tgz > Does it have a Web page? Not really... I came to the above conclusion, and for now the work on it stopped. There are some pointers on ~abial/small.html. > Who is on the project? Me? You? :-) > Do we have a CVS repository for PicoBSD? Not yet (at least publicly available) - I started to use CVS after v0.31, so this is really the beginning of the CVS tree. Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 1 01:44:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18475 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cnct.com (jose@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18470 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:44:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jose@cnct.com) From: jose@cnct.com Received: from localhost (jose@localhost) by cnct.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id EAA13984; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:47:52 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: Chris Coleman , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Floppy Disk X Server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Some time back there was a linux distribution that provided x11r5 on a floppy (later versions used 2 floppies or a small hd partition).. it's name escapes me at the moment.. there is also the tinyX distribution, which although is found on linux arhives, is subject to the XFree copyright (it's based on XFree 1.3).. granted these are rather dated, but they are functional nonetheless and if nothing else, they can be used as a guideline for putting together an PicoBSD X on a Floppy snap. I think it can be done, but at a definate loss of functionality, so it may not suit everyone's (anyone's?) needs.. > > Where are we at in regards to X on a Floppy? > > IMO it can't be done. Not with XFree. Period. > > What I did manage was to put another GUI system, and it works, but it's > rather primitive... You can get a copy from > http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/preview/preview2.tgz > > > Does it have a Web page? > > Not really... I came to the above conclusion, and for now the work on it > stopped. There are some pointers on ~abial/small.html. > > > Who is on the project? > > Me? You? :-) > > > Do we have a CVS repository for PicoBSD? > > Not yet (at least publicly available) - I started to use CVS after v0.31, > so this is really the beginning of the CVS tree. > > Andrzej Bialecki > > --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- > abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } > Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." > Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. > --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 1 04:23:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA04228 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:23:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (das@netcom7.netcom.com [192.100.81.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA04223 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:23:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das@netcom.com) Received: (from das@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id EAA05011; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:23:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Das Devaraj Subject: Re: Tiny webserver To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199806301355.JAA19504@torrentnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It is interesting to read about the tiny webservers. Are there any tiny clients for surfing the web? Just out of curiousity, is picoBSD drifting towards the server market? das To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 1 04:55:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06812 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:55:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA06804 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02737; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:58:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:58:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Das Devaraj cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tiny clients (was Re: Tiny webserver) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Das Devaraj wrote: > > It is interesting to read about the tiny webservers. Are there > any tiny clients for surfing the web? Not that I know of (except a cut down version of Lynx, still huge...). When I was hacking on W-system, I analyzed its code for HTML widget - it's not that complicated as long as you don't display frames and aligned images. It would require a person with enough motivation to write a curses-based browser which would support only basic tags... it's simply so tedious work. > Just out of curiousity, is picoBSD drifting towards the server market? As you probably know, there were two main versions of PicoBSD from the very beginning - one targeted at personal usage, and the second one which could be a simple server/router. So, it's nothing new... Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 1 13:55:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19925 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:55:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pedigree.cs.ubc.ca (smtp.cs.ubc.ca [142.103.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19916 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:55:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwang@cs.ubc.ca) Received: from mughi.cs.ubc.ca (mughi.cs.ubc.ca [142.103.4.2]) by pedigree.cs.ubc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA10138 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cascade.cs.ubc.ca (cascade.cs.ubc.ca [142.103.7.7]) by mughi.cs.ubc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA06453 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <359AA230.A5D@cs.ubc.ca> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:55:12 -0700 From: "Jasmine(Yongqi) Wang" Organization: CS//UBC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG HI, there, I need to run some test to get an idea of TLB miss rate. I have found out that there is performance monitor counter in Pentium processors. I will run it on Pentium Pro. There are 4 MSRs, two for performance event select and two for counting. also there is RDMSR, WRMSR and RDPMC to use. so in my case the event type should be TLB miss and TLB hit. It's said the way it will work is to 1. set up PerfEvtSel0/1 with wrmsr 2. counter will start if 1 succeed and counter is enabled in above instruction. my questions are: RDMSR and WRMSR are only usable in Kernel mode, so should I make a small kernel or is there alternatives? when get the result back I can use RDPMC, if CR4[PCE]=1, i can get it in user mode; otherwise I can only run in kernel too. but i can't find any instruction to read CR4. There are instructions for CR0, CR2 and CR3, or I am missing sth. here? Thanks for your help, -- Jasmine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 1 21:29:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28698 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from belzebub.net-gw.com (bulzebub.net-gw.com [202.185.254.12] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA28693 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:29:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: from broker.alphaque.com (j44.bkj28.jaring.my [161.142.101.118]) by belzebub.net-gw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA09233; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:29:01 +0800 Received: (from dinesh@localhost) by broker.alphaque.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00820; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:36:01 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:36:00 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair X-Sender: dinesh@broker To: Das Devaraj cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Das Devaraj wrote: > It is interesting to read about the tiny webservers. Are there > any tiny clients for surfing the web? picobsd for 2.2.5 has lynx, a textual html 3.2 compliant browser in it. > Just out of curiousity, is picoBSD drifting towards the server > market? well, picobsd does come in three flabours - two of which are server-like and the third is a dialup client. Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." dinesh@alphaque.com (0 0) +=======================----oOO--(_)--OOo----=========================+ |for a in past present future; do | | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."| |done; done | +=====================================================================+ http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0x230096E9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 2 00:02:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17764 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:02:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allonge.viaduk.net ([195.5.40.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17759 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:02:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oleg@allonge.viaduk.net) Received: from allonge.viaduk.net (olegy.allonge.com [172.16.64.100]) by allonge.viaduk.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06899 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:04:14 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from oleg@allonge.viaduk.net) Message-ID: <359B3079.921E1388@allonge.viaduk.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:02:17 +0300 From: Oleg Yurkovsky Organization: JSB Allonge X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 2 05:03:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07920 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cnct.com (jose@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA07915 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:03:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jose@cnct.com) From: jose@cnct.com Received: from localhost (jose@localhost) by cnct.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA07771; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:05:23 -0400 (EDT) To: Dinesh Nair cc: Das Devaraj , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tiny webserver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > It is interesting to read about the tiny webservers. Are there > > any tiny clients for surfing the web? > > picobsd for 2.2.5 has lynx, a textual html 3.2 compliant browser in it. > i love lynx, but small it isn't.. there is a serious lack of choice when it comes to non-x11 browsers on unix. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 2 17:42:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07776 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au (babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au [130.194.166.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07771 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from graeme@babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au) Received: from localhost (graeme@localhost) by babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24513; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:41:56 +1000 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:41:56 +1000 (EST) From: Graeme Cross Reply-To: Graeme.Cross@sci.monash.edu.au To: jose@cnct.com cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tiny web browser (was Re: Tiny webserver) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Attribution: gjc X-PGP-Key-ID: 702DB549 X-URL: http://www.wsc.monash.edu.au/~graeme/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 jose@cnct.com wrote: > > > It is interesting to read about the tiny webservers. Are there > > > any tiny clients for surfing the web? > > > > picobsd for 2.2.5 has lynx, a textual html 3.2 compliant browser in it. > > > > i love lynx, but small it isn't.. there is a serious lack of choice when > it comes to non-x11 browsers on unix. Two other options for text-mode browsers: W3, as part of GNU or XEmacs CERN line mode W3 is anything but suitable for picoBSD, given that you need EMACS as well! The CERN line mode browser is small, but very unfriendly. What features would you be prepared to sacrifice for a tiny text-based browser? Clearly images... frames, forms and tables would seem to be the most difficult parts of an HTML parser: if you removed those four elements, one could probably generate a fairly small web browser. You could make it smaller by making it an HTTP client only - Lynx has mailto:, WAIS, FTP and (I think) gopher support. There are a number of web browsers now available for the PalmPilot that are very small, yet relatively powerful, so it can be done. My 2c of musings for the day... Cheers Graeme - -- Graeme Cross -- Water Studies Centre, Monash University Random thought #209 (Collect all 215) Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: Auto-signed by PPG (v1.01) (the PGP/PINE gateway) iQB1AwUBNZwovWAiycRwLbVJAQGELAMAp8C+KBbmNxRfU/qWL3rxV4DfoiOZOT+6 v5ynN0j/TCj91Yem+eEQBBQZCi2pEtfUxLKvkmekON739Nz1W4qnfLrhlkwhAiTK FcutVsuhOuDkfbu0zHFZrKU9z3EU3a0m =Xilf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jul 3 07:44:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07833 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles221.castles.com [208.214.165.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07828 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:44:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04364; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807030536.WAA04364@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jasmine(Yongqi) Wang" cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (no subject) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:55:12 PDT." <359AA230.A5D@cs.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:36:22 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > HI, there, > > I need to run some test to get an idea of TLB miss rate. I have found > out that there is performance monitor counter in Pentium processors. I > will run it on Pentium Pro. > > There are 4 MSRs, two for performance event select and two for counting. > also there is RDMSR, WRMSR and RDPMC to use. so in my case the event > type should be TLB miss and TLB hit. > > It's said the way it will work is to > 1. set up PerfEvtSel0/1 with wrmsr > 2. counter will start if 1 succeed and counter is enabled in above > instruction. > > my questions are: > RDMSR and WRMSR are only usable in Kernel mode, so should I make a small > kernel or is there alternatives? You haven't really been clear enough here. Are you trying to evaluate TLB miss rates for a single process, or for the entire system? If for just a single process, what do you plan to do to deal with the errors introduced by interrupts and scheduling? > when get the result back I can use RDPMC, if CR4[PCE]=1, i can get it in > user mode; otherwise I can only run in kernel too. but i can't find any > instruction to read CR4. There are instructions for CR0, CR2 and CR3, or > I am missing sth. here? It would be trivial to add a sysctl variable to obtain the value from userland, should you wish to do so, as the handler runs in the kernel. AFAIK, you can simply modify the support functions for the other CR registers, eg. in sys/i386/i386/support.s: /* rcr4() */ ENTRY(rcr4) movl %cr4,%eax ret -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message