From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 11 4:24:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E176E37B400 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.SoftHome.net [66.54.152.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51A2443E3B for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yid@softhome.net) Received: (qmail 10008 invoked by uid 417); 11 Sep 2002 11:24:16 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 11:24:16 -0000 Received: from planb ([216.194.2.204]) (AUTH: LOGIN yid@softhome.net) by softhome.net with esmtp; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:24:14 -0600 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:24:10 -0400 From: Joshua Lee To: "Neal E. Westfall" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-Id: <20020911072410.4ad09b85.yid@softhome.net> In-Reply-To: <20020910134238.T35938-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> References: <20020910152132.1134e18d.yid@softhome.net> <20020910134238.T35938-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> Organization: Plan B Software Labs X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:53:19 -0700 (PDT) "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > > OK then, why would G-d give an ability to someone if it > > automatically damns most human beings to eternal torture with the > > measure, rather than how good the person is, to be where he happens > > to sit in the most segregated hour of the week? > > Reason does not damn them, their sinful use of it without > acknowledging it as a gift from God is what damns them. They claim > not to know God, but their reasoning ability is evidence to them that > he does exist. I acknowledge that reason is a gift from G-d, we pray thanking G-d for the gift of knowledge and understanding three times a day (among other prayers in the shemoneh esrai), and am not an atheist. Yet, you still believe I'll be eternally tortured for not worshiping the (your) messiah? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message