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Date:      Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:30:37 -0500
From:      Matthew Story <matthewstory@gmail.com>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades
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On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Andrew Gould <andrewlylegould@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Benjamin Tovar <ben@robotoloco.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 12:57:46PM -0500, David Jackson wrote:
> >>
> >> So it seems like a happy compromise here. You will get what you need
> >> and us newbies and other users who really dont want the extra
> >> trouble of compiling will get our binaries. Everyone gets what they
> >> want and is happy, it seems.
> >>
> >
> > Yes, this sounds awfully good, except that I think it is much harder
> > than you think. First, some options are mutually exclusive
> > (i.e. ncurses vs slang)... so, maybe there are two, or three versions
> > of the same package... and again, this sounds awfully good, except for
> > the limited and volunteered time of a port maintainer. A happy
> > compromise might be then to have binary packages of popular ports,
> > which is how we have it now.
> >
> > Second, and I think this the most important reason, ports put the
> > responsibility of the system on the user. They force you to make
> > decisions on exactly what software is installed. You want the
> > stability and freedom of FreeBSD without this responsibility, and this
> > seems very hard to compromise (e.g., macosx and most linux
> > distributions remove the responsibility by making all these choices
> > for you).
> >
> > Is this newbie friendly? Probably not. Does it need to be? Well, it
> > would be nice if more people use it, but if we remove the
> > responsibility from the user, then it would not be FreeBSD, it would
> > be something else. (Like Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, which sounds like what
> > you are looking for.)
>

There is a port of apt (sysutils/apt) which you can install, and use to
maintain your system via apt repositories.  Not sure if anyone is
maintaining an apt repository out in the world, for use with FreeBSD.


> >
> > --
> > Benjamin Tovar
> >
>
> It is not newbie friendly. As a non-techie (CPA), however, I can tell
> you that it makes the user a better user; and **that** is a good
> thing.  Some things are worth doing.
>
> :-)
>
> Andrew
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-- 
regards,
matt



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