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Date:      Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:56:57 -0400
From:      Aryeh Friedman <>
To:        "Steve O'Hara-Smith" <>
Cc:        Daniel Feenberg <>, Arne Steinkamm <>,  Ihor Antonov <>, FreeBSD Mailing List <>
Subject:   Re: Wayland on FreeBSD
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:47 AM Steve O'Hara-Smith <> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:07:08 -0400
> Aryeh Friedman <> wrote:
> > The jury seems to still out (at best) on the question of block vs. file.
> > I suspect the main issue are you NAS (file storage) or SAN (block
> > storage):
>         Both have their uses and both are used heavily in large scale
> storage (tens of petabytes upwards). As always requirements dictate the
> best solution.
The point with OpenStack is the choice should of been left to the
user/admin instead they just out of the blue decided everything must be
iSCSI (even local storage is presented as iSCSI lun's to the hypervisor)
and thus made it impossible to power reset unless very eleborate shutdown
procedures are performed (not possible is the reset is due to power
failure).   Thus making it impossible to use outside of a data center....
the entire point of this subthread was to show that OpenStack picked wrong
and did so based on standard recommendations in the Linux community at the
time (2013-2014) and that those recommendations where/are still being made
and are demonstrably wrong.    The other main point was to show why source
distrubtion is better then binary distrubtion (if OpenStack was available
in easy to compile source form [which is and was not] it would of been
trivial to do a after market patch to not require iSCSCI)
Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer,

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