From owner-freebsd-small Mon Oct 16 6:20: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.element-5.de (hermes.element-5.de [195.185.111.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75BF537B66C for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 92234 invoked by uid 85); 16 Oct 2000 13:19:46 -0000 Received: from glaess@element5.de by hermes.element-5.de with qmail-scanner-0.93 (sweep: 1.11/3.37. . Clean. Processed in 0.445759 secs); 16/10/2000 15:19:45 Received: from fw2.cc.element5.de (HELO davis.element5.de) (192.168.11.2) by hermes.element-5.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2000 13:19:45 -0000 Content-Length: 210 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:19:45 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: glaess@hermes.element-5.de Organization: element5 AG From: holger glaess To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: ide-flashdisk Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, i have an ida-flashdisk and i will use it with picobsd what must i change in the sources to write the ready system to this disk. the disk emulate an complete ide interface and runs as IDE harddisk -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Oct 16 12:30:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432C437B673 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e9ENGpg02305; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:16:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:16:51 -0700 From: Greg Lehey To: Dragos Ruiu , Dario Alcocer , Alan Clegg , holger glaess Cc: small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: picobsd on cdrom Message-ID: <20001014161651.W1489@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <20000822090851.A33321@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000822014911.B66558@diskfarm.firehouse.net> <20000822090851.A33321@wantadilla.lemis.com> <14753.50408.306512.191859@pino.localdomain> <20000822094138.A47951@wantadilla.lemis.com> <14753.51207.174266.283326@pino.localdomain> <20000822090851.A33321@wantadilla.lemis.com> <00082117271208.32142@smp.kyx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <00082117271208.32142@smp.kyx.net>; from dr@dursec.com on Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 05:25:11PM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for the silence. I'm consolidating some of the messages I received; I'll have more at the end. On Monday, 21 August 2000 at 17:25:11 -0700, Dragos Ruiu wrote: > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, you wrote: >> On Monday, 21 August 2000 at 11:21:25 +0200, holger glaess wrote: >>> hi all >>> >>> one question >>> itī given any member here there are try to make a picobsd an burn/boot it from >>> cd ? >> >> I have this on my tuit list. Specifically, a 50 MB version which will >> fit on a mini-CD. If anybody wants to work with me on this, I'd be >> grateful. > > > I would be glad to help with this.... it is of interest to me... > > The following message may be of interest.... I have a copy of the > resultant floppy image... > > "Johan Kruger" wrote in message > news:XFMail.000818184610.jkruger@oskar.dev.nanoteq.co.za... >> Ok, here's what i did ( busy building a custom CD installation ) >> After the 'make release' , i took the boot.flp image 2.88 Meg and >> mounted it. I deleted everything except for /boot/boot0-2 an the >> bootforth loader. Then i made my own kernel allowing a MFS of 2048 x 512 >> blocks, giving me 1.44 Meg in the filesystem. >> In this i crunched 72 Megs of binary's , one of them 'chroot' >> I compiled init as not to look for 'rc' ( check the Makefile, define part >> that's specifically for a release ) >> After this i use the write_mfs_in_kernel script and umount it ( >> remember to compress the kernel after the mfs write >> >> sh -e doFS.sh -s mfsroot ./ /mnt 2880 johan's_mfsfd_root_dir/ 8000 minimum2 >> ./write_mfs_in_kernel kernel mfsroot >> gzip -9vc kernel > kernel.gz >> vnconfig /dev/vn0 boot.flp >> mount /dev/vn0 /mnt >> rm /mnt/kernel.gz >> cp kernel.gz /mnt/kernel.gz >> umount /mnt >> vnconfig -u /dev/vn0 >> >> Now your boot.flp is ready for mkisofs >> >> Basically what happens now , i copy my complete live filesystem with >> installed apps to the CD's root dir, and when i do mkisofs, i use my new >> bootimage. After boot , since it can not find rc, it executes .profile in >> the MFS filesystem in the kernel- BUT ONLY if you compiled init for the >> crunch with in /usr/src/sbin/init/Makefile >> >> #CFLAGS+=-DDEBUGSHELL -DSECURE -DLOGIN_CAP -DCOMPAT_SYSV_INIT >> CFLAGS+=-DSECURE -DLOGIN_CAP -DCOMPAT_SYSV_INIT >> >> >> In .profile i put 'mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0a /cdrom' ( /cdrom an >> extra dir i put in my filesystem ) and 'chroot /cdrom /setup' , >> where setup is my prog, and this works perfectly , i even load my >> own modules before the chroot and so on. >> >> The release i built is 5.0-CURRRENT , and if you want the boot.flp >> i can attach it for you. Just mail me. Right now i'm going home - >> it's Friday - at last On Monday, 21 August 2000 at 17:31:16 -0700, Dario Alcocer wrote: >>>>>> "Greg" == Greg Lehey writes: > > Greg> I think the strong opinions will remain :-) But this is more > Greg> a separate project. My feeling is that we should do > Greg> something like the normal release, just with a lot less > Greg> stuff. Have you ever done a 'make release'? That would be > Greg> a start. > > No, but of course, I'd be more than willing to learn and try. In > fact, I went out and bought a machine some weeks ago that I was > looking to dedicate as PicoBSD development platform; the only FreeBSD > machine I have is at 3.1, so I wanted to get a new machine up and > running with whatever newer version of FreeBSD is required to work > with Pico BSD. > > Which version of FreeBSD do you recommend I put on my new Pico BSD > development machine? The normal way is to start with -CURRENT. You may prefer the -CURRRENT tag PRE_SMPNG. > Greg> Then there's the Linuxcare bootable CD. Have you seen that? > Greg> It's quite a clever recovery disk, but you can also use it > Greg> to get Linux up and running diskless. I know the guy who > Greg> did that, and he's interested in helping get a FreeBSD > Greg> version up and running. > > So, is the idea that PicoBSD could be a small, portable BSD-on-CD? > Something similar to Tom's Root Boot Linux diskette, but using BSD as > the OS? > > Anyway, I'd like to help. Let me know what you think I should do in > order to get started. On Tuesday, 22 August 2000 at 1:49:11 +0000, Alan Clegg wrote: > Out of the ether, Greg Lehey spewed forth the following bitstream: > >> I have this on my tuit list. Specifically, a 50 MB version which will >> fit on a mini-CD. If anybody wants to work with me on this, I'd be >> grateful. > > I'd love to work on this. Point me in a direction. > > Note that I have two of the "NETNIC" machines, so I want to get the > bootable image down to 4MB (the size of my flash-IDE-drive). This looks like a different objective from mine. For 4MB, I think I'd start with the custom build and flesh it out a little. At the moment custom uses 2 floppies, but it doesn't quite fill the second. On Tuesday, 22 August 2000 at 8:58:15 +0200, holger glaess wrote: > > On 21-Aug-00 Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Monday, 21 August 2000 at 11:21:25 +0200, holger glaess wrote: >>> hi all >>> >>> one question itī given any member here there are try to make a >>> picobsd an burn/boot it from cd ? That's my intention. Read on at the end. >> I have this on my tuit list. Specifically, a 50 MB version which will >> fit on a mini-CD. If anybody wants to work with me on this, I'd be >> grateful. > > is ok iīm there is better to develop with other people on on project with > the same destination. > > i think we need a roadmap a plan , some ideaīs OK, let's consider what we have and what people want: Have: Four or five different build directories in /usr/src/release/picobsd, most of them broken. The FreeBSD kernel has bloated considerably since 3.0, and I expect it to continue to do so. I think that it won't be long before a single (1.44 MB) floppy PicoBSD will not be possible with a -CURRENT or -RELEASE. The custom build uses two floppies, and while it's also broken (or was last time I tried), it's not irreperable. It also allows you to add additional floppies. Want: - A one-floppy build that works. I think the best way to do this is to bite the bullet and stick with 3-STABLE. That should work for quite a while to come, and it's less likely to break every time somebody bloats something. It would be possible to build cut-down versions of the current -STABLE branch, but that would keep breaking. - A way of catching breakage when it happens, and not next time somebody tries to build. We should get a commitment for builds of the latest PicoBSDs in the same rhythm as the snapshot releases. - A 4 MB image for flash. - A "bootable business card", a 50 MB standalone FreeBSD installation which will run from FreeBSD (or optionally from ramdisk), which doesn't have to use local disk, but which may optionally do so. This disk would be installable on bootable Zip, CD-ROM or LS-120, and would replace the fixit disk. I'm working on this particular one. Anything else? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Oct 16 12:43:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dcnv.com (mail.dcnv.com [216.33.117.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F6937B66E for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digitalconvergence.com (dallas [207.158.100.67]) by mail.dcnv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA42217; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:37:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from aedmonds@digitalconvergence.com) Message-ID: <39EB5A0C.FDB20D9B@digitalconvergence.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:42:04 -0500 From: Alan Edmonds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Dragos Ruiu , Dario Alcocer , Alan Clegg , holger glaess , small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: picobsd on cdrom References: <20000822090851.A33321@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000822014911.B66558@diskfarm.firehouse.net> <20000822090851.A33321@wantadilla.lemis.com> <14753.50408.306512.191859@pino.localdomain> <20000822094138.A47951@wantadilla.lemis.com> <14753.51207.174266.283326@pino.localdomain> <20000822090851.A33321@wantadilla.lemis.com> <00082117271208.32142@smp.kyx.net> <20001014161651.W1489@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would like one other configuration. a PXE supported configuration; a kernel.gz that can loaded via tftp/nfs and a root fs that can be loaded via kldload or md. I've hacked the existing pico stuff to do this, but it's ugly. I am using 4.1-RELEASE however. -- Alan Edmonds Director of International Technology Digital:Convergence aedmonds@digitalconvergence.com Phone: +1-214-292-6040 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Oct 16 14:38:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E4D37B502 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA87407; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:38:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:38:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Roman Shterenzon Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: picobsd build In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Roman Shterenzon wrote: >The PicoBSD is broken a bit. >Look for my patches that I sent to small if you can't build it or use it. Can someone tell me what all is involved in getting PicoBSD builds working under RELENG_4 and point me to any uncommitted patches I might need? I'd like to get it working. Actually I don't even necessarily need PicoBSD working. Is there a way to build tinyware without PicoBSD mechanisms? I'd like to populate a filesystem image with bootblocks, a kernel, and the tinyware apps + a few others compiled from ports. I'd appreciate any pointers. -- Brandon D. Valentine "Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 17 6:50:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from moon.harmonic.co.il (moon.harmonic.co.il [192.116.140.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D4437B4D7 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by moon.harmonic.co.il (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21555; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:48:43 +0200 To: "Brandon D. Valentine" Subject: Re: picobsd build Message-ID: <971790523.39ec58bbcffa0@webmail.harmonic.co.il> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:48:43 +0200 (IST) From: Roman Shterenzon Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoting "Brandon D. Valentine" : > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Roman Shterenzon wrote: > > >The PicoBSD is broken a bit. > >Look for my patches that I sent to small if you can't build it or use > it. > > Can someone tell me what all is involved in getting PicoBSD builds > working under RELENG_4 and point me to any uncommitted patches I might > need? I'd like to get it working. Actually I don't even necessarily > need PicoBSD working. Is there a way to build tinyware without PicoBSD > mechanisms? I'd like to populate a filesystem image with bootblocks, a > kernel, and the tinyware apps + a few others compiled from ports. I'd > appreciate any pointers. I like the "build" mechanism more than "make" mechanism, or, maybe I just couldn't make "make" mechanism work. Search the mailing lists: -stable, -small. I've sent some patches. Maybe I'll open a PR when I come home. The problem is that no one seems to maintain it. Can you hear me, -stable? The problems: -Needs to define NOIPSEC for some tools to build. -There's no more "more", use less and ln less more -The /etc is compressed, either don't compress it, or remember to decomress it when booting and remember to compress it when using "update". -update script does something weird in order to set the device. just use "/dev/fd0" and that's it. These are the patches I've sent. I only worked with "net" flavor though. Something else I didn't fix: - missing /dev entries. I really like PicoBSD. I'm planning to use it as ipnat/ipfilter gateway when I'll finally get a cable connection. (Yes, you can even have syslogd in it) --Roman Shterenzon, UNIX System Administrator and Consultant [ Xpert UNIX Systems Ltd., Herzlia, Israel. Tel: +972-9-9522361 ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 17 17: 5:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.mmcable.com (fe4.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446A037B4CF for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quark ([24.27.131.244]) by mail4.mmcable.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:05:49 -0500 Message-ID: <003401c03896$d835fac0$f4831b18@quark> From: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" To: Subject: Arrow keys in terminal emulator Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:03:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I hope this isn't too terribly off-topic... A FreeBSD embedded application I'm working on needs to allow login over a serial line for field testing purposes. The field testers will most likely be using Windows laptops with its Hyperterminal emulation program. For maximum compatibility, I'm using the vt100 terminal type. Everything is working fine -- except for the arrow keys. I've tried every permutation of Hyperterminal settings, but FreeBSD programs aren't getting the correct escape sequences when I press arrow keys in the terminal emulator. Emacs, for instance, just displays "ESC-" and waits for more input. At least one of these three things must be hapenning: (1) Hyperterminal isn't transmitting the right sequences for arrow keys, and I need to find another terminal emulator; (2) Some setting is wrong on the FreeBSD end, and the sequences aren't being interpreted properly; or (3) You just can't use the arrow keys from within a terminal emulator. If anyone could suggest how I can get some function out of the arrow keys, it would be greatly appreciated. =============================== Jeffrey S. Sharp (XorAxAx) jss@subatomix.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.12 GCS/IT/MU d-@ s-:+ a21 C++(++++) UBL+(+++$)> P L+(+++$)> E+> W++ N+(++) o? K? w++$> !O M(-) !V PS+ PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+ R(+) tv+ b+ DI++(+++) G++ e> h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 17 18:45: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from valemount.com (inet.valemount.com [209.53.76.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C195937B4D7 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lon2k.valemount.com [209.53.76.253] by valemount.com [209.53.76.67] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.3.R) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:44:43 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001017183523.036c44d0@valemount.com> X-Sender: lonnie@valemount.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:43:06 -0700 To: small@FreeBSD.org From: Lonnie Nunweiler Subject: setsid() in init Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: small@FreeBSD.org X-Return-Path: lonnie@valemount.com Reply-To: lonnie@valemount.com Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm beating my head up with this. I'm almost running the net build of picoBSD with 4.1.1, but it errors after the message: Mounting root from ufs:/dev/md0c with the following message (I think it jumps from here right into init, and should be a piece of cake) Jan 14 06:10:53 init: initial setsid() failed: operation not permitted stty: stdin isn't a terminal Do I have something in kernel set wrong? This worked in the 3.4 kernel, but 4.1.1 is driving me bonkers. I'd appreciate some pointers and clues, as I've run out. Thanks, Lonnie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 17 22:49: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hitpro.hitachi.co.jp (hitpro.hitachi.co.jp [133.145.224.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C524937B4F9 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kanagw970.kanagawa.hitachi.co.jp by hitpro.hitachi.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-hitpro) id OAA23345; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:48:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by kanagw970.kanagawa.hitachi.co.jp (8.9.0/3.6Wbeta6-GPCD) id OAA06308; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:48:48 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <39ED3A67.67ABCE24@kanagawa.hitachi.co.jp> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:51:35 +0900 From: Atsuo Kobayashi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [ja] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ja,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Arrow keys in terminal emulator References: <003401c03896$d835fac0$f4831b18@quark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jeffrey S. Sharp" wrote: > I hope this isn't too terribly off-topic... > > A FreeBSD embedded application I'm working on needs to allow login over > a serial line for field testing purposes. The field testers will most > likely be using Windows laptops with its Hyperterminal emulation > program. For maximum compatibility, I'm using the vt100 terminal type. > > Everything is working fine -- except for the arrow keys. I've tried > every permutation of Hyperterminal settings, but FreeBSD programs aren't > getting the correct escape sequences when I press arrow keys in the > terminal emulator. Emacs, for instance, just displays "ESC-" and waits > for more input. At least one of these three things must be hapenning: > > (1) Hyperterminal isn't transmitting the right sequences for arrow keys, > and I need to find another terminal emulator; > I tried this several years ago. Hyperterminal the default Windows terminal emulator is not enough compatible to vt100. Terminal type setting of it is just a echo string of "who are you" sequence. HyperterminalPro(upgrade product of Hyperterminal) is compatible to vt100's arrow keys. http://www.hilgraeve.com > > (2) Some setting is wrong on the FreeBSD end, and the sequences aren't > being interpreted properly; or > > (3) You just can't use the arrow keys from within a terminal emulator. > > If anyone could suggest how I can get some function out of the arrow > keys, it would be greatly appreciated. Use vt100 compatible terminal emulator. I am using teraterm(japanised vt100 emulator) and it works fine to operate FreeBSD. I also tried NORTON PCanywhere and it is good too. or(as final try?) type + [ + A/B/C/D instead. Atsuo Kobayashi > > > =============================== > Jeffrey S. Sharp (XorAxAx) > jss@subatomix.com > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version 3.12 > GCS/IT/MU d-@ s-:+ a21 C++(++++) UBL+(+++$)> P L+(+++$)> > E+> W++ N+(++) o? K? w++$> !O M(-) !V PS+ PE Y PGP- t+ > 5 X+ R(+) tv+ b+ DI++(+++) G++ e> h--- r+++ y+++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- Atsuo Kobayashi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 17 23: 5: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.qld.m2mtechnology.com (ns1.qld.m2mtechnology.com [203.24.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4661E37B4F9 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hannama (ip132.qld.m2mtechnology.com [203.24.40.132]) by ns1.qld.m2mtechnology.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA06942; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:04:18 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <010601c038c9$43b214a0$842818cb@gc.deepsky.net> From: "Andrew Hannam" To: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" , References: <003401c03896$d835fac0$f4831b18@quark> Subject: Re: Arrow keys in terminal emulator Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:04:17 +1000 Organization: FamZon Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "Andrew Hannam" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Try using the FreeBSD "ansi" terminal type ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:03 AM Subject: Arrow keys in terminal emulator > I hope this isn't too terribly off-topic... > > A FreeBSD embedded application I'm working on needs to allow login over > a serial line for field testing purposes. The field testers will most > likely be using Windows laptops with its Hyperterminal emulation > program. For maximum compatibility, I'm using the vt100 terminal type. > > Everything is working fine -- except for the arrow keys. I've tried > every permutation of Hyperterminal settings, but FreeBSD programs aren't > getting the correct escape sequences when I press arrow keys in the > terminal emulator. Emacs, for instance, just displays "ESC-" and waits > for more input. At least one of these three things must be hapenning: > > (1) Hyperterminal isn't transmitting the right sequences for arrow keys, > and I need to find another terminal emulator; > > (2) Some setting is wrong on the FreeBSD end, and the sequences aren't > being interpreted properly; or > > (3) You just can't use the arrow keys from within a terminal emulator. > > If anyone could suggest how I can get some function out of the arrow > keys, it would be greatly appreciated. > > =============================== > Jeffrey S. Sharp (XorAxAx) > jss@subatomix.com > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version 3.12 > GCS/IT/MU d-@ s-:+ a21 C++(++++) UBL+(+++$)> P L+(+++$)> > E+> W++ N+(++) o? K? w++$> !O M(-) !V PS+ PE Y PGP- t+ > 5 X+ R(+) tv+ b+ DI++(+++) G++ e> h--- r+++ y+++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Oct 18 4:26:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from moon.harmonic.co.il (moon.harmonic.co.il [192.116.140.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B3437B479; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by moon.harmonic.co.il (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22358; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:25:12 +0200 To: Jim Judd Subject: Re: picobsd build Message-ID: <971868312.39ed8898bc746@webmail.harmonic.co.il> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:25:12 +0200 (IST) From: Roman Shterenzon Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-small@freebsd.org References: <971790523.39ec58bbcffa0@webmail.harmonic.co.il> <39EC5CE8.7F0E9892@netrake.com> In-Reply-To: <39EC5CE8.7F0E9892@netrake.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoting Jim Judd?? : > I also had to define NONETGRAPH in 4.1 Release to get it to compile > successfully. > > jj > > Roman Shterenzon wrote: > > > Quoting "Brandon D. Valentine" : > > > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Roman Shterenzon wrote: > > > > > > >The PicoBSD is broken a bit. > > > >Look for my patches that I sent to small if you can't build it or > use > > > it. > > > > > > Can someone tell me what all is involved in getting PicoBSD builds > > > working under RELENG_4 and point me to any uncommitted patches I > might > > > need? I'd like to get it working. Actually I don't even > necessarily > > > need PicoBSD working. Is there a way to build tinyware without > PicoBSD > > > mechanisms? I'd like to populate a filesystem image with > bootblocks, a > > > kernel, and the tinyware apps + a few others compiled from ports. > I'd > > > appreciate any pointers. > > > > I like the "build" mechanism more than "make" mechanism, or, > > maybe I just couldn't make "make" mechanism work. > > > > Search the mailing lists: -stable, -small. > > I've sent some patches. Maybe I'll open a PR when I come home. > > The problem is that no one seems to maintain it. > > Can you hear me, -stable? > > > > The problems: > > -Needs to define NOIPSEC for some tools to build. > > -There's no more "more", use less and ln less more > > -The /etc is compressed, either don't compress it, or remember > > to decomress it when booting and remember to compress it when > > using "update". > > -update script does something weird in order to set the device. > > just use "/dev/fd0" and that's it. > > > > These are the patches I've sent. I only worked with "net" flavor > > though. > > > > Something else I didn't fix: > > - missing /dev entries. > > > > I really like PicoBSD. I'm planning to use it as ipnat/ipfilter > > gateway when I'll finally get a cable connection. > > (Yes, you can even have syslogd in it) Perhaps someone will take the maintainership over PicoBSD? I've seen some reports in PR db which hang there for a really long time after being assigned to the -small maintainer. Don't let the baby demon die ! :) --Roman Shterenzon, UNIX System Administrator and Consultant [ Xpert UNIX Systems Ltd., Herzlia, Israel. Tel: +972-9-9522361 ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 19 1:13:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from nrpc-22.netrake.net (403217B2.ptr.dia.nextlink.net [64.50.23.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399FA37B4D7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netrake.com (localhost.netrake.net [127.0.0.1]) by nrpc-22.netrake.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10859 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:09:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jimj@netrake.com) Message-ID: <39ECA3E7.D7E7F6CC@netrake.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:09:27 -0500 From: Jim =?iso-8859-1?Q?Judd=90=90?= Organization: Netrake Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Let's see if this gets bouced again!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 19 2:23:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859C237B4C5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01687; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:20:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200010190920.CAA01687@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: picobsd on cdrom In-Reply-To: <20001014161651.W1489@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Oct 14, 0 04:16:51 pm" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:20:15 -0700 (MST) Cc: dr@dursec.com, dalcocer@home.com, abc@bsdi.com, glaess@element5.de, small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Four or five different build directories in /usr/src/release/picobsd, > most of them broken. The FreeBSD kernel has bloated considerably > since 3.0, and I expect it to continue to do so. I think that it > won't be long before a single (1.44 MB) floppy PicoBSD will not be > possible with a -CURRENT or -RELEASE. I suggested this a bit earlier, but I'll try again. Perhaps the PicoBSD project ought to standardize on the 2.2.x system. Is there something that happened in 3.x or 4.x that is applicable to PicoBSD? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 19 5:31:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gidgate.gid.co.uk (gid.co.uk [194.32.164.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3917A37B4D7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rb@localhost) by gidgate.gid.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA49319; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:29:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001019105640.00b17910@gid.co.uk> X-Sender: rbmail@gid.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:19:33 +0100 To: chad@DCFinc.com, grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: picobsd on cdrom Cc: dr@dursec.com, dalcocer@home.com, abc@bsdi.com, glaess@element5.de, small@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200010190920.CAA01687@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <20001014161651.W1489@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:20 19/10/00 -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > Four or five different build directories in /usr/src/release/picobsd, > > most of them broken. The FreeBSD kernel has bloated considerably > > since 3.0, and I expect it to continue to do so. I think that it > > won't be long before a single (1.44 MB) floppy PicoBSD will not be > > possible with a -CURRENT or -RELEASE. > >I suggested this a bit earlier, but I'll try again. Perhaps the >PicoBSD project ought to standardize on the 2.2.x system. Is there >something that happened in 3.x or 4.x that is applicable to PicoBSD? Plenty. I'm looking at picobsd on -current right now, because I need USB modem support. While the standard pico builds are nice as templates, anyone using pico seriously should expect to do a custom build. My experience is that for what I'm doing (routers, serial console servers and the like) size isn't an issue, but I do prune kernel options and drivers ruthlessly. In any case, the 1.44MB floppy is an endangered species. CDROM booting is somewhat hit-and-miss, but compact flash and net boots are viable alternatives in many applications and don't have the size restriction. I think it would be a big mistake to fix pico on an old base release. -- Bob Bishop +44 (0)118 977 4017 rb@gid.co.uk fax +44 (0)118 989 4254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 19 6:13:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from nrpc-22.netrake.net (403217B2.ptr.dia.nextlink.net [64.50.23.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56EB937B4C5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netrake.com (localhost.netrake.net [127.0.0.1]) by nrpc-22.netrake.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA38484; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:08:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jimj@netrake.com) Message-ID: <39EEF23F.F2CD64C6@netrake.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:08:15 -0500 From: Jim =?iso-8859-1?Q?Judd=90=90?= Organization: Netrake Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Bishop Cc: chad@DCFinc.com, Greg Lehey , dr@dursec.com, dalcocer@home.com, abc@bsdi.com, glaess@element5.de, small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd on cdrom References: <20001014161651.W1489@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20001019105640.00b17910@gid.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bob Bishop wrote: > At 02:20 19/10/00 -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > > Four or five different build directories in /usr/src/release/picobsd, > > > most of them broken. The FreeBSD kernel has bloated considerably > > > since 3.0, and I expect it to continue to do so. I think that it > > > won't be long before a single (1.44 MB) floppy PicoBSD will not be > > > possible with a -CURRENT or -RELEASE. > > > >I suggested this a bit earlier, but I'll try again. Perhaps the > >PicoBSD project ought to standardize on the 2.2.x system. Is there > >something that happened in 3.x or 4.x that is applicable to PicoBSD? > > Plenty. I'm looking at picobsd on -current right now, because I need USB > modem support. While the standard pico builds are nice as templates, anyone > using pico seriously should expect to do a custom build. My experience is > that for what I'm doing (routers, serial console servers and the like) size > isn't an issue, but I do prune kernel options and drivers ruthlessly. > > In any case, the 1.44MB floppy is an endangered species. CDROM booting is > somewhat hit-and-miss, but compact flash and net boots are viable > alternatives in many applications and don't have the size restriction. > > I think it would be a big mistake to fix pico on an old base release. > > -- > Bob Bishop +44 (0)118 977 4017 > rb@gid.co.uk fax +44 (0)118 989 4254 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message Agreed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 19 6:37: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C133637B4CF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5B0A2A842; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:37:05 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542BD545D; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:37:05 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:37:05 +1000 (EST) From: andrew@ugh.net.au To: chad@DCFinc.com Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd on cdrom In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001019105640.00b17910@gid.co.uk> Message-ID: X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:20 19/10/00 -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: >I suggested this a bit earlier, but I'll try again. Perhaps the >PicoBSD project ought to standardize on the 2.2.x system. Is there >something that happened in 3.x or 4.x that is applicable to PicoBSD? When did support for delayed or disabled swapping appear? Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 19 13:18:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from virtual.sysadmin-inc.com (lists.sysadmin-inc.com [209.16.228.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2862537B4D7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 98wkst ([10.10.1.71]) by virtual.sysadmin-inc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA16912 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:18:13 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Peter Brezny" To: Subject: Sorry for the lame question, but... Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:18:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c03a09$b9946240$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG what editor do you use in picobsd, and how do you save your changes to the floppy. i just need to configure my nic, and then it looks like the rest is easy once i figure out how to edit a file. Thanks Peter Brezny SysAdmin Services, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 19 14:55: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from nrpc-22.netrake.net (403217B2.ptr.dia.nextlink.net [64.50.23.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AC937B4CF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netrake.com (localhost.netrake.net [127.0.0.1]) by nrpc-22.netrake.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00263; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:52:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jimj@netrake.com) Message-ID: <39EF6D3A.99A1C244@netrake.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:52:58 -0500 From: Jim =?iso-8859-1?Q?Judd=90=90?= Organization: Netrake Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter@sysadmin-inc.com Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sorry for the lame question, but... References: <000a01c03a09$b9946240$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Brezny wrote: > what editor do you use in picobsd, and how do you save your changes to the > floppy. > > i just need to configure my nic, and then it looks like the rest is easy > once i figure out how to edit a file. > > Thanks > > Peter Brezny > SysAdmin Services, Inc. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message There use to be an editor on the 2.x kernel version of PicoBSD, I have it on a floppy image that I down loaded. But I too noticed that the one in the FreeBSD source tree doesn't have one. I just went into the {package}/floppy.tree/etc/rc.conf and made the changes there. I then re-built the floppy for that package and everything was nicely configured. jj To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 19 15:44:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877E737B4C5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22070; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:44:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200010192244.AAA22070@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Sorry for the lame question, but... In-Reply-To: <000a01c03a09$b9946240$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> from Peter Brezny at "Oct 19, 2000 04:18:19 pm" To: peter@sysadmin-inc.com Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:44:03 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > what editor do you use in picobsd, and how do you save your changes to the > floppy. ee is a reasonably small one, it is (i think) part of the various configurations you find on RELENG_3 at least. cheers luigi > i just need to configure my nic, and then it looks like the rest is easy > once i figure out how to edit a file. > > Thanks > > Peter Brezny > SysAdmin Services, Inc. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 19 17:44:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from arg1.demon.co.uk (arg1.demon.co.uk [194.222.34.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD24537B4CF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by arg1.demon.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 300) id 219AD9B11; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:44:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arg1.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4085D05; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:44:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:44:48 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Gordon X-Sender: arg@server.arg.sj.co.uk To: Bob Bishop Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd on cdrom In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001019105640.00b17910@gid.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Bob Bishop wrote: > > In any case, the 1.44MB floppy is an endangered species. CDROM booting is > somewhat hit-and-miss, but compact flash and net boots are viable > alternatives in many applications and don't have the size restriction. If you don't have the size restriction, why do you want picobsd in the first place (as opposed to just booting a standard system from CD or net)? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 19 19:41:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from nbf-27.umd.edu (nbf-27.umd.edu [128.8.38.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC5B37B4C5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from glue.umd.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nbf-27.umd.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id e9K2fMp00492 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:41:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Message-ID: <39EFB0D2.8B506719@glue.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:41:22 -0400 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@freebsd.org Subject: OT: PIC Programmer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can somebody recommend a good set of software/hardware for doing in circuit serial programming for a pic16f877? -Brandon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Oct 19 20: 2:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dandelion.icpdas.com (ns.icpdas.com [203.69.97.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A32637B479 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from reed@localhost) by dandelion.icpdas.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10536 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:02:32 +0800 X-Authentication-Warning: dandelion.icpdas.com: reed set sender to reed@icpdas.com using -f Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:02:32 +0800 From: Reed Lai To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: PicoBSD Message-ID: <20001020110232.B14255@dan.icpdas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i X-Disclaimer: I am just an amateur. X-Operating-System: Linux dandelion 2.2.17 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Seniors, I download PicoBSD 0.41 (Networking) and intend to use it as a dedicated router+dial-in server on an old 486-100/16MB RAM/floppy only panel PC. There are two problems bother me: 1. I cannot save the changes of the configuration of device driver. For each boot, I must do it again. I tried to edit the file kernel.conf in the boot disk immediately, but didn't work. I cannot run kget because it always "file system full." 2. May I configure my PicoBSD floppy to boot ahead and skip the userconfig? Please help. Thanks! Brgds -- Reed Lai http://w3.icpdas.com/reed/ | ICPDAS http://www.icpdas.com GnuPG (DSA/ElGamal) 0x7199EAD3 Reed Lai (key #1) KeyServer: search.keyserver.net | HAM: BV4QO | NIC-handle: RL7000 ICQ 64518529 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 20 1: 6:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933F337B4CF for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.9.2/8.8.7) with UUCP id JAA41750; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:06:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.2] (eccles [194.32.164.2]) by seagoon.gid.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA33701; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:40:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001019105640.00b17910@gid.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:40:55 +0100 To: Andrew Gordon From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: picobsd on cdrom Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, At 01:44 +0100 20/10/00, Andrew Gordon wrote: >If you don't have the size restriction, why do you want picobsd in the >first place (as opposed to just booting a standard system from CD or net)? That wasn't "no size restriction", that was "the size restriction of a floppy". Compact flash for instance is economic in sizes of a few tens of MB. There are many applications where you simply don't need a full system or the storage required to hold it, and systems without rotating storage can be a lot more reliable. -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 20 1: 7: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5995037B4E5 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.9.2/8.8.7) with UUCP id JAA41756; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:06:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.2] (eccles [194.32.164.2]) by seagoon.gid.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA33710; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:49:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:49:28 +0100 To: peter@sysadmin-inc.com From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: Sorry for the lame question, but... Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > what editor do you use in picobsd, and how do you save your changes to the > floppy. ed is small enough. There's a script called update which saves /etc back to the floppy. -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 20 1: 8:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36D737B4E5 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9K88Fn64656; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:08:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA32122; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200010200808.CAA32122@harmony.village.org> To: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: picobsd on cdrom Cc: Andrew Gordon , small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:40:55 BST." References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001019105640.00b17910@gid.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:08:14 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Bob Bishop writes: : That wasn't "no size restriction", that was "the size restriction of a : floppy". Compact flash for instance is economic in sizes of a few tens of : MB. There are many applications where you simply don't need a full system : or the storage required to hold it, and systems without rotating storage : can be a lot more reliable. The minimal system, uncompressed w/o pico, that boots the standard rc files w/o errors to a read only file system is about 12MB. 16MB gives you the network applications that most people want. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 20 3: 1:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dandelion.icpdas.com (ns.icpdas.com [203.69.97.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D207837B4D7 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from reed@localhost) by dandelion.icpdas.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13265 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:01:02 +0800 X-Authentication-Warning: dandelion.icpdas.com: reed set sender to reed@icpdas.com using -f Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:01:02 +0800 From: Reed Lai To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: update and kget Message-ID: <20001020180102.A11162@dan.icpdas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i X-Disclaimer: I am just an amateur. X-Operating-System: Linux dandelion 2.2.17 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Seniors, I use PicoBSD 0.41 (NET) on my 486-100/16MB RAM/1.44 FDD. I always got following messages when run update or kget: Can't get name field for entry 14 pid xx (kget), uid 0 on /: file system full /: write failed, file system is full pid xx (kget), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Segmentation fault Did I miss anything? Please help. Thanks! -- Reed Lai http://w3.icpdas.com/reed/ | ICPDAS http://www.icpdas.com GnuPG (DSA/ElGamal) 0x7199EAD3 Reed Lai (key #1) KeyServer: search.keyserver.net | HAM: BV4QO | NIC-handle: RL7000 ICQ 64518529 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 20 3:33:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from toyland.drapple.com (toyland.drapple.com [204.200.26.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA21637B4C5 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsd.org (adsl-151-196-245-215.bellatlantic.net [151.196.245.215]) by toyland.drapple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22850; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:33:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patrick@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <39F01F3E.B702B8C3@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:32:30 -0400 From: Patrick Gardella Organization: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Reed Lai Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: update and kget References: <20001020180102.A11162@dan.icpdas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Reed Lai wrote: > > Seniors, > > I use PicoBSD 0.41 (NET) on my 486-100/16MB RAM/1.44 FDD. > I always got following messages when run update or kget: > > Can't get name field for entry 14 > pid xx (kget), uid 0 on /: file system full > /: write failed, file system is full > pid xx (kget), uid 0: exited on signal 11 > Segmentation fault > > Did I miss anything? Please help. No, you didn't. The disk is very packed, so there is no room on it for anything else. IIRC, in the /etc folder, all the config files are both in .gz format and uncompressed. What I do is to remove the .gz formatted ones, and then edit the uncompressed ones on a full FreeBSD system. After that, you *might* be able to use "update". I've never used it. -- Patrick ---------- Patrick Gardella patrick@freebsd.org The Power to Serve shall not be infringed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 20 5:45:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from nrpc-22.netrake.net (403217B2.ptr.dia.nextlink.net [64.50.23.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A8C37B4CF for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 05:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netrake.com (localhost.netrake.net [127.0.0.1]) by nrpc-22.netrake.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01246; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:43:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jimj@netrake.com) Message-ID: <39F03DE7.9C924DE6@netrake.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:43:19 -0500 From: Jim =?iso-8859-1?Q?Judd=90=90?= Organization: Netrake Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Reed Lai Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD References: <20001020110232.B14255@dan.icpdas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Reed Lai wrote: > Seniors, > > I download PicoBSD 0.41 (Networking) and intend to use it as a > dedicated router+dial-in server on an old 486-100/16MB RAM/floppy > only panel PC. There are two problems bother me: > > 1. I cannot save the changes of the configuration of device > driver. For each boot, I must do it again. I tried to edit the > file kernel.conf in the boot disk immediately, but didn't work. > I cannot run kget because it always "file system full." > Any changes that you make to you /etc directory are on the memory file system and not the floppy. If you make changes make sure you mount the floppy and copy your /etc changes to the floppy /etc. Depending on what version of picobsd, the floppy /etc may be gziped. > > 2. May I configure my PicoBSD floppy to boot ahead and skip the > userconfig? > Sure, if you mount the floppy on another machine you can make the configuration changes to the floppy etc directory first and then boot from it on ur 486. jj > > Please help. Thanks! > Brgds > -- > Reed Lai http://w3.icpdas.com/reed/ | ICPDAS http://www.icpdas.com > GnuPG (DSA/ElGamal) 0x7199EAD3 Reed Lai (key #1) > KeyServer: search.keyserver.net | HAM: BV4QO | NIC-handle: RL7000 > ICQ 64518529 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 20 12:58:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from relay2.zonnet.nl (relay2.zonnet.nl [212.48.41.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348E137B479 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp04.zonnet.nl ([10.170.1.71]) by relay2.zonnet.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with ESMTP id G2QVHA00.Z82 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:58:22 +0200 Received: from thomas ([62.59.144.91]) by smtp04.zonnet.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with SMTP id G2QVH904.X1F for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:58:21 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c03ad0$2f0306f0$5b903b3e@thomas> From: "Thomas" To: Subject: Pico on a CD Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:47:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF1B2B.9ED8DF60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF1B2B.9ED8DF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Can anyone tell me how to put picobsd on a cd in a simple way? 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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF1B2B.9ED8DF60-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Oct 21 15:38: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A81637B479 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9LMc0p31554; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:38:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Alan Edmonds Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd on cdrom In-Reply-To: <39EB5A0C.FDB20D9B@digitalconvergence.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pruned to -small. On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Alan Edmonds wrote: > I would like one other configuration. > > a PXE supported configuration; a kernel.gz that can loaded > via tftp/nfs and a root fs that can be loaded via kldload > or md. > > I've hacked the existing pico stuff to do this, but it's ugly. > I am using 4.1-RELEASE however. The first time I set up PXE-based boots, I just mounted up one of my floppies and pulled the files off. It works out-of-box for the most part, pxeldr will happy use the same mfsroot file. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message