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Date:      Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:14:39 -0700 (MST)
From:      Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
To:        gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham)
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: A cool xterm?
Message-ID:  <199701102014.NAA20438@phaeton.artisoft.com>
In-Reply-To: <199701101606.IAA03133@impulse.csl.sri.com> from "Fred Gilham" at Jan 10, 97 08:06:53 am

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> Rebuilt the color_xterm port linking with Xaw3d instead of Xaw, and the
> scrollbar's much better.  Like the menus better too.  ...with these resources:
> ----------------------------------------
> 
> I'm wondering what this means.  Is it that people don't like the fact
> that the scrollbar works the way it does?  Or is it that they don't
> like the way it looks?  What exactly is wrong with the scrollbar?

It's ugly, it fails the page up/down in the thumb area, it does not
have a single-step up/down button, and it takes too many buttons
on your mouse to make it work efficiently.

Other than that, there's no problem with it.

> To put my own oar in the water, I'll say that the original Athena
> scrollbar is the only scrollbar I've seen with a decent user
> interface.  Once you get used to it, anything else is harder to use.
> I hope there's always a scrollbar around with the Athena user
> interface.

NextStep has the increment up/down adjacent to each other; that is a
big, big win in my book; I don't have to move the mouse pointer
across nearly as much realestate to change direction if I overshoot
by one line while scrolling.


I think the riginal complaint was that cleared screens did not get added
as complete units to the scrollback buffer of xterm.

Consider the cursor addressing application which paints many areas of
the screen prior to the screen being "accepted" for processing; this
is both the "block mode" terminal processing model, and more recently,
the modal dialog processing model.

In addition, there is no way to distinguish screens in the scrollback,
even if they were added, because there is no framing in the scrollback
buffer itself.


					Regards,
					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
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Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.



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