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Date:      Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:50:45 -0700
From:      Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net>
To:        John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        src-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-src@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, "Liam J. Foy" <liamfoy@sepulcrum.org>, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav <des@des.no>, Peter Grehan <grehan@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/tools/tools/tinderbox/etc current.rc head.rc update_current.rc update_head.rc
Message-ID:  <1c30f7f77c7adf4e70096cf34ae73e5d@xcllnt.net>
In-Reply-To: <200507211726.14034.jhb@FreeBSD.org>
References:  <200507201959.j6KJxkJl000803@repoman.freebsd.org> <86hdenx5mg.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050721203934.GC1097@anarion> <200507211726.14034.jhb@FreeBSD.org>

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On Jul 21, 2005, at 2:26 PM, John Baldwin wrote:

> On Thursday 21 July 2005 04:39 pm, Liam J. Foy wrote:
>> On Thu(21)/Jul/05 - , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote:
>>> "Liam J. Foy" <liamfoy@sepulcrum.org> writes:
>>>> On Thu(21)/Jul/05 - , Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
>>>>> Please add ia64 back for releng_6 and add powerpc and ia64 back
>>>>> for head. The least.
>>>>
>>>> I agree. I'd like to see them added back please.
>>>
>>> You don't have a vote.  Neither does Marcel.
>>
>> Who do you think you are DES? Seriously, am sure you think you're 
>> above
>> everyone else. You need to dumb the attitude.
>
> It would be helpful to realize that DES does not have an infinite 
> amount of
> hardware and bandwidth, etc. at his disposal.

Bull.

I have yet to see him raise the issue that ia64 and powerpc are causing 
him
problems. I have yet to see him ask for help. There has been zero 
communication
reaching me that indicated that the only solution to his problems, 
whatever
those may be, would be to drop ia64 and powerpc. This includes his 
inability
to have a local patch after letting people know on the mailing list 
that he
will not be able to run it anymore.

This change was without warning and without cause. He unilaterally 
decided
that the work and effort put in by others was beneath his attention and
concern by making the commit like this. And if des@ is incapable of 
even the
most basic forms of communication that he cannot express his 
predicament or
explain his reasons for this change and ask for input even after the 
fact,
then he shouldn't even be making commits in the first place.

I'm more than happy to work out how best to accomodate des@ and get the 
ia64
tinderbox runs somewhere else. Except that I'm currently not happy at 
all
with him. So first things first...

-- 
  Marcel Moolenaar         USPA: A-39004          marcel@xcllnt.net




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