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Date:      Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:30:23 +0000 (UTC)
From:      Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com>
To:        Victor Sudakov <vas@sibptus.ru>, Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Technological advantages over Linux
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 Hi,
If you're trying to convince management, I'd suggest researching who has ba=
sed their products on FreeBSD....List of products based on FreeBSD

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The 'Unknown Giant' is an apropos tagline.=C2=A0 People don't know what's r=
unning under the hood.=C2=A0 Many commercial products steer entirely clear =
of GPL licensed FOSS due to what it entails.=C2=A0 If you were to start dev=
eloping a product on a BSD licensed product, there's very little issues wit=
h future support of it or releasing you proprietary tweaks of you product.=
=C2=A0 No such thing with GPL.=C2=A0 (ok... that's simplified but....)
Longevity is another big one.=C2=A0 BSD has existed in some form since 1974=
.=C2=A0 FreeBSD since 1994.
Paul


    On Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:27:50 AM EST, Alejandro Imass <aimass@=
yabarana.com> wrote: =20
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 On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 7:16 AM Victor Sudakov <vas@sibptus.ru> wrote:


> What other features do we have to (persuade the management to) prefer
> FreeBSD for new installations?
>
>
Thing is that most of the industry is moving away from bare metal and into
the cloud and in that sense Linux (particularly Ubuntu Server) is the
defacto standard it seems.

The reason I moved to FreeBSD like around 2006 was that Linux's virtual
memory manager was not very good at that time and whenever you force Linux
to swap it usually left the system unstable and required reboot. Whereas
FreeBSD you push it to the max (99%+ of swap) and would always recover. And
this was way back in FreeBSD 6 and I can only guess it's gotten better,
whereas Linux probably is not worrying too much about this since most Linux
servers today in AWS don't even have swap, and what for, since they act
mostly as a POSIX API on top of multiple layers of virtualized shit.

After we made the move, discovering EzJail was the killer feature for us.
We were basically doing all the stuff people are doing nowadays with Docker
and Terraform etc. We had these kind of flexible and powerful CI/CD
pipelines with FreeBSD when these terms weren't even coined as such. That's
why I laugh at my younger colleagues who think they are more advanced than
what we were doing 14 years ago. And that's the issue with this industry is
all the FADs and wheel reinvention.

It's the same thing with languages for example. Perl 5 and plain ol C are
probably still superior to anything out there today, and only now are we
seeing some true advancement in the right direction (e.g. Rust, Go etc.).

So if you ask me FreeBSD could probably focus away from this cloud FAD and
continue to evolve it's very powerful features and target people that have
not gave into this cloud bullshit, and to real sysadmins who are not afraid
of taking responsibility instead of hiding behind AWS or Azure. Let them go
down that path, and let us focus on reality and bare metal.

IMHO, BSD could invest in taking projects like EzJail (plus ZFS) to make
this functionality native and EASY, provide an images database and the
infrastructure to provide a NATIVE, bare metal equivalent to Docker +
Terraform. In other words, FreeBSD and other BSD projects could offer
NATIVE and modern CI/CD and IaaS pipelines on bare metal.

Just food for thought.

Best,

--=20
Alex
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On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 07:54:30PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote:
> Hi,
> 
[...]
> 
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 08:03:06 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> >Add to that binary logs
> 
> "Tip: While the journal is stored in a binary format, the content of
> stored messages is not modified. This means it is viewable with
> strings, for example for recovery in an environment which does not have
> systemd installed, e.g.:
> 
> $ strings /mnt/arch/var/log/journal/af4967d77fba44c6b093d0e9862f6ddd/system.journal | grep -i message
> " - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/Journal

The choice of words suggests they were writing this tip with straight faces.

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Tomasz Rola

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