From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:35:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4968106567A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:35:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from crivens.kernel32.de (crivens.terrorteam.de [81.169.171.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600108FC1D for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:35:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from www.terrorteam.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crivens.kernel32.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CBBB02DF; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:35:09 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:35:09 +0200 From: Marian Hettwer To: Guido Falsi In-Reply-To: <20080904150736.GA35003@megatron.madpilot.net> References: <20080904150736.GA35003@megatron.madpilot.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: mh@kernel32.de User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Wesley Shields Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:35:11 -0000 Hej Guido, On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:07:36 +0200, Guido Falsi wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:58:27AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: >> >> I hope everyone realizes that I am not trying to "de-server" FreeBSD. I >> just remember how daunting it was for me to get X setup when all I >> wanted to use was a web browser when I was new to it all. >> >> The early BSD releases had a simple check box to add X support and it >> all just worked. That was COOL. That is what I am hoping to get back >> into BSD. > > But setting X up now is perhaps even harder than what it used to be, and > common user expectation are higher. You can't get away by just > installing a vesa server...People would telle you it's slow, they would > expect the system to already accelerated drivers, if available. > Ah, I have to disagree. The last few times I installed a FreeBSD with xorg, I was really pleased how good xorg was in guessing my hardware in comparison to the olde days of XFree86. It was really, install xorg, run xorg -configure, take the config, install the nvidia driver from ports and nvidia settings too, then replace "nv" with "nvidia" in xorg.conf and with some clicks in the nvidia settings I was up and running dual screen. I thought to myself afterwards, Wow! that was easy. Used to be harder... > Sure Vesa Xserver is more than enough for firefox....But newbies need to > understand they will have to manually tweak xorg.conf anyway if they > want a really working X setup. > And really, place a warning "You're using Vesa 'cause we couldn't find a correct video driver" and off you go. In fact, I would be surprised if the ubuntu folks would do it different. Sometimes (hello newer ATI) you're lost in xorg land with some strange graphic boards. Cheers, ./Marian PS.: am I the only one, thinking that this thread should move to -chat?